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2013-01-07 06:45:58 PM  
WE DEMAND IDIOCRACY
 
2013-01-07 06:48:22 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too

Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?

The Oxford Dictionary, for one

Like I said, this is mostly for informal communication, for formal communication the older standards I assume you're supporting still apply.


At least Oxford calls it colloquial slang. I'm good with that.
 
2013-01-07 06:52:40 PM  

Persnickety: mgshamster: ongbok: mgshamster: ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.

That's because this evaluation isn't about student performance.  It's about spending less money and creating greater competition.

/At least, that's from what I can tell so far.

So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).

I think it's an idea similar to the voucher system.  If the school your child is at is bad, you should be able to take your child out of that school and put them in another school that is good. Doing this, I am told, will create competition amongst the local schools to create the best school, because schools want the most children they can get (because each child comes with the tax money to teach him/her, and the schools want that money).  I'm not sure how this system accounts for space available, the quality of teachers, or the infrastructure of getting the kids to the school of the parent's choice, nor what it will do in areas that don't have more than one school, but it will work, I am told.

Well, we've already tried a version of this at the collegiate level. Everyone can get a student loan and take that loan to whatever institute calling itself a college that they want. In response, instead of more Harvards and CalTechs magicially popping up due to competition, we've seen a much greater number of a new beast appear: the for profit college, e.g. ITT, Univ of Phoenix, Devry, etc. Also, college costs have increased greater than the rate of inflation for 40+ years.


Are you implying that the American University College Technical Institute isn't as good as Harvard? Because I will put my $250,000 degree in IT up against any Harvard grad's any day of the week. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to the drive-through, my shift manager is giving me the evil eye.
 
2013-01-07 07:23:22 PM  
F*ck Michelle Rhee.
 
2013-01-07 07:24:00 PM  
Rhee has become the darling of several GOP governors, even serving on the transition team of Rick "Skeletor" Scott, Governor of Florida, which is #2 on her group's list, "coincidentally".
 
2013-01-07 07:38:08 PM  
Adding to what I said above, Rhee is evidently to teachers and their unions what Grover Norquist is to taxes. Like Rhee, Norquist also works for a non-profit group with an agenda, in his case, Americans for Tax Reform.
 
2013-01-07 07:39:39 PM  

Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too

Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?

The Oxford Dictionary, for one

Like I said, this is mostly for informal communication, for formal communication the older standards I assume you're supporting still apply.

At least Oxford calls it colloquial slang. I'm good with that.


Same here.  I've come to terms with the fact that it's an acceptable phrase, but I don't think I'll ever lose my contempt for people who can't parse a simple farking sentence and pick the version that makes sense.
 
2013-01-07 07:39:56 PM  

H31N0US: The amount of derp from the Tea Party is farking astounding.


They're total dtubs.
/to dumb to be called retards.
 
2013-01-07 07:45:58 PM  
See, this is a typo. Florida wasn't great at math and reading; they took the top spot in meth and breeding. Understandable mistake.
 
2013-01-07 07:55:45 PM  

GhostfacedFiddlah: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too

Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?

The Oxford Dictionary, for one

Like I said, this is mostly for informal communication, for formal communication the older standards I assume you're supporting still apply.

At least Oxford calls it colloquial slang. I'm good with that.

Same here.  I've come to terms with the fact that it's an acceptable phrase, but I don't think I'll ever lose my contempt for people who can't parse a simple farking sentence and pick the version that makes sense.


I'll admit I won't assume anyone using what used to be the "incorrect" form of the phrase to be especially well educated.
 
2013-01-07 08:01:40 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: mongbiohazard: So yeah, I think I'll believe the governor on this one and not the president of the teachers union.

You mean Maine's Tea Party governor was friendly to Rhee's group?



Oddly enough, it seems so. I am certainly not as familiar with LePage as I am with MIchelle Rhee, being down here in DC and all, but if someone is claiming Michelle Rhee is a Tea Partier then right there that's pretty much all the red flag about them I need. You don't just say someone is a member of a group like that FOR them, you have to know it's a lie when you open your mouth and make those words up.
 
2013-01-07 08:03:24 PM  
"Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC"

Rhee?, Tea Party? Good one subby, now go take your meds. I'm betting you were educated in Maine.
 
2013-01-07 08:04:09 PM  
Hmmnnn... though come to think of it, and having done some of my schooling in Florida (among a few other states along the East Coast), any group which claims that Florida's school system is one of the best in the country is also suspect for me. Differently.
 
2013-01-07 08:06:57 PM  

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


It's "couldn't care less."
 
2013-01-07 08:10:28 PM  
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"Ignoring 3,500 years of Judeo-Christian civilization, religion, morality, and law, the Burger Court held that an unborn child was not a living person but rather the "property" of the mother (much like slaves were considered property in the 1857 case of Dred Scott v. Sandford)."-http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn= 38733">American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

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Gay people "have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists."-Teacher's Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998

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2013-01-07 08:32:56 PM  
Mentat, what was the point of that?
 
2013-01-07 08:33:27 PM  

bgflores: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?

None. Submittard was just trying to be funny. This is the educational nonprofit founded by former DC school head Rhee. While I'm not saying her criteria are completely arbitrary, they are subjectively in line with her "data good, tenure bad, charter school good" mantra. Without taking into account any data test scores, graduation rates, and how those change over time, this evaluation is pretty suspect.


Flo-Bee, that you? Is this how you divert rage when the Saints miss the playoffs?
 
2013-01-07 08:41:21 PM  
The Miami Herald has done a fantastic job exposing the scam that is the Charter School system in Florida.

http://www.miamiherald.com/charterschools/

Any survey  that has Florida and Louisiana doing better than Minnesota and Massachusetts should not be taken seriously.
 
2013-01-07 08:41:58 PM  

bgflores: While I'm not saying her criteria are completely arbitrary, they are subjectively in line with her "data good, tenure bad, charter school good" mantra. Without taking into account any data test scores, graduation rates, and how those change over time, this evaluation is pretty suspect.


So kind of like someone coming up with a list of the overhead costs of various charities, then grading them on it, and clearly labeling the list as such. Then people come along and complain, "This list of which charities are the best doesn't even take effectiveness into account."  Also, a Submittard claims the list was created by a group affiliated with NAMBLA.
 
2013-01-07 08:45:26 PM  
 
2013-01-07 08:46:15 PM  
 
2013-01-07 08:56:16 PM  
Michelle Rhee is married to the mayor of Sacramento.

He's a Democrat.

She was an ally of Arne Duncan, who is Obama's Sec. of Education.

I don't think this is the Tea Party you think you are looking for.
 
2013-01-07 08:57:03 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They've placed more than 88% of their graduates at Clem's Refrigerator and Exotic Dance College. Go Frosted Tassels!!


New super-villian???
 
2013-01-07 09:13:23 PM  
This study is bullshiat. I'm from Louisiana, and anyone who has lived here knows one thing: if we didn't have Arkansas and Mississippi around to make us look good (if thats even possible) then we would be screwed. The majority of people around here can barely count to potato.
 
2013-01-07 09:15:05 PM  

Mrtraveler01: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/19/2541051/florida-charter-schools - big-money.html#morer

Just trying to show what a load of crap this survey is.


No no. That fits in line perfectly with the "no regulations" mantra. Because regulations stifle progress and innovation. And if it doesn't perform, the free market will fix it.

/or something like that.
 
2013-01-07 09:33:14 PM  

Cobataiwan: Michelle Rhee is married to the mayor of Sacramento.

He's a Democrat.

She was an ally of Arne Duncan, who is Obama's Sec. of Education.

I don't think this is the Tea Party you think you are looking for.


The key word here I think is "was".

Besides her connection to Governor Skeletor, she was a partner in crime with Wisconsin's Scott Walker...

Rhee did defend some of Walker's anti-union measures twice on television soon after he announced his plan. "The move to try to limit what [public-sector unions] bargain over is an incredibly important one," she said on "Fox and Friends."

Months later, Rhee appeared alongside Walker at a DC meeting of the American Federation for Children, a hard-line conservative education organization founded by Betsy DeVos, the wife of Amway heir Dick DeVos and a funder of numerous conservative causes.

Since leaving DC, Rhee has embraced and promoted a more conservative, anti-union education reform agenda. She pushed a bill in the Tennessee legislature that ended collective bargaining for teachers, stumped for Ohio's SB 5 bill (later repealed via referendum) which restricted bargaining rights, and has worked as an unpaid adviser to Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a tea-party-favorite who "has never met a voucher or a charter school he doesn't like," as one education reporter put it.

While I probably wouldn't describe her as a hardcore teabagger, she's certainly sold out to the crony capitalist side of the GOP.
 
2013-01-07 10:14:32 PM  

mgshamster: Mentat, what was the point of that?


Link
 
2013-01-07 10:49:50 PM  

Mentat: mgshamster: Mentat, what was the point of that?

Link


Thanks! I was wondering how it was relevant.
 
2013-01-07 11:28:48 PM  

mgshamster: Mentat: mgshamster: Mentat, what was the point of that?

Link

Thanks! I was wondering how it was relevant.


I should have put that in the original post.
 
2013-01-08 12:33:06 AM  
www.towncrierdubuque.com
 
2013-01-08 12:38:22 AM  
The Tea Party Mantra: War is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength
 
2013-01-08 12:40:57 AM  

clane: [www.towncrierdubuque.com image 480x395]


To be fair, some buses are natural gas driven now (soon we'll probably have electric too), but to also be fair those natural gas extraction techniques aren't doing good things for the environment and the homeowners who were duped into allowing those gas fracking extraction companies to drill on their land.
 
2013-01-08 12:52:32 AM  

Vangor: mgshamster: And here's the map:

What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.


Looks like the Tea Party statisticians failed art class.
 
2013-01-08 12:54:22 AM  
Screw education, today's kids can't learn anything anyway. Just use them all for medical experiments
 
2013-01-08 04:00:13 AM  
Lol public schools
 
2013-01-08 09:01:59 AM  

mongbiohazard: Anyone who calls Michelle Rhee a Tea Partier only tells me that their statements are not to be trusted. Love her or hate her, you'd have to be ignorant or lying to suggest she has anything to do with the Tea Party.

So yeah, I think I'll believe the governor on this one and not the president of the teachers union.


Well, she was school chancelor in Washington, DC. And as we all know DC has long been dominated by Tea Party politics. They were the first major metropolitan area to have an all Tea Party government. Why do you think DC changed their plates to bear the slogan "Taxation Without Representation"?

/not subtard.
 
2013-01-08 11:00:53 AM  

mgshamster: In case anyone wants to see the actual report, here it is.

And here's the map:

[s1.postimage.org image 469x340]

There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.


New Hampshire will ALWAYS have an F based on their criteria.

All schools are deeply locally controlled due to the tax system. They do not have state income tax and schools are funded by local real estate taxes. People like to have a say in where the $ goes. On the other hand, they are not shy about screwing unions of all kinds to save $ on their real estate taxes.
 
2013-01-08 11:17:46 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?


True. She's a liberal and the lobbying group has no obvious Tea Party affiliations.

However, she is cray cray. And Korean. Which is redundant.

/her vajay jay goes side to side rather than front to back.
 
2013-01-08 11:29:47 AM  
Follow the money trail. This hidden agenda of this organization is killing teachers unions. Care to speculate on who's funding them?
 
2013-01-08 12:11:33 PM  
So all the same Farkers who say "Murikans" are idiots, think that our education system is working just fine and there's no need to change it. Got it.
 
2013-01-08 12:17:22 PM  

RevMark: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?

True. She's a liberal and the lobbying group has no obvious Tea Party affiliations.

However, she is cray cray. And Korean. Which is redundant.

/her vajay jay goes side to side rather than front to back.


I think it comes from her anti-union, pro-voucher stance, which usually have a stronger association with the TEA Party than the liberals.
 
2013-01-08 02:09:00 PM  
Their entire criteria was number of bibles per student.
 
2013-01-08 11:50:25 PM  

NephilimNexus: Their entire criteria was number of bibles per student.


This! *times infinity!*

/the only criteria these jerks care about is how many children have been indoctrinated into or can be targeted for indoctrination into the Christian religion
//actual education priority falls back to 12th place for these people
 
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