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2013-01-07 01:09:04 PM  
any group that has florida ranked near the top in education is totally suspect.
 
2013-01-07 01:19:24 PM  
Maybe it is time to reconsider allowing secession.
 
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2013-01-07 02:24:53 PM  
Louisiana was the highest rated.  I'll bet Mainers really envy Louisiana's education system.
 
2013-01-07 03:06:30 PM  
didn't louisiana just tell the creationists to fark off recently?
 
2013-01-07 03:42:55 PM  

FlashHarry: didn't louisiana just tell the creationists to fark off recently?


The Orleans Parish School Board did.  Which was great, and all, but public schools in New Orleans already excel in kids not learning anything, so adding creationism to the heap isn't as big a deal as it sounds.
 
2013-01-07 03:55:00 PM  
I don't doubt they are the highest, if I had to survive that educational system I'd be baked out of my gourd.
 
2013-01-07 04:06:15 PM  
They've placed more than 88% of their graduates at Clem's Refrigerator and Exotic Dance College. Go Frosted Tassels!!
 
2013-01-07 04:40:14 PM  
FTA: The California-based nonprofit was founded by Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC and is criticized as someone who is anti-union.

The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.


Why is a report evaluating how well a public education system is teaching the children suggesting a 401k plan rather than a pension plan for the teachers?

Methinks this nonprofit does have a hidden agenda or more.
 
2013-01-07 04:50:07 PM  
Alabama schools come in 3rd?
 
2013-01-07 04:52:31 PM  
We should really consider leaving those children behind.
 
2013-01-07 04:53:21 PM  
Yes, we should all strive to be like Florida where crooked real estate type are able to run their own Charter School.
 
2013-01-07 04:53:35 PM  

groppet: Alabama schools come in 3rd?


Don't be stupid...Mississippi.
 
2013-01-07 04:54:39 PM  
/obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.
 
2013-01-07 04:54:50 PM  
Not often you see "tea party" and "education" in the same sentence without an "opposed to" or "completely lacks" thrown in.
 
2013-01-07 04:55:49 PM  
The amount of derp from the Tea Party is farking astounding.
 
2013-01-07 04:56:44 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit was founded by Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC and is criticized as someone who is anti-union.

The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.

Why is a report evaluating how well a public education system is teaching the children suggesting a 401k plan rather than a pension plan for the teachers?

Methinks this nonprofit does have a hidden agenda or more.


One of the categories on the assessment was "Spend Wisely."
 
2013-01-07 04:57:42 PM  

HERP FOR THE DERP KING

 
2013-01-07 04:58:32 PM  
I thought Michelle Rhee was (is) brilliant. If she gives Maine a D- in spending wisely, they earned it.

They also recommended that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program. This is clear anti-union heresy, of course.
 
2013-01-07 04:59:06 PM  
The schools were ranked based on students' ability to erect and set fire to a wooden cross.
 
2013-01-07 04:59:12 PM  
"Tea Party-friendly education group" seems as odd a phrase as "logical creationists and flat-earth society members."
 
2013-01-07 04:59:39 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit was founded by Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC and is criticized as someone who is anti-union.

The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.

Why is a report evaluating how well a public education system is teaching the children suggesting a 401k plan rather than a pension plan for the teachers?

Methinks this nonprofit does have a hidden agenda or more.


Even more scary is that the governor of Maine basically praised and agreed with the report. I'd be furious if I was a voter in that state.
 
2013-01-07 05:00:26 PM  
In case anyone wants to see the actual report, here it is.

And here's the map:

s1.postimage.org

There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.
 
2013-01-07 05:00:29 PM  
Are these the same group of people who thought Romney would win by a landslide?

/went there
//they deserve every bit of it
 
2013-01-07 05:01:32 PM  
 
2013-01-07 05:02:08 PM  
What the hell do I care? I already got learned up.

/8th grade was good enough for granpappy, it's good enough for me.
 
2013-01-07 05:02:11 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit...


Gotdammitsomuch, what is it about my favorite state that attracts so many crazies?

/not really wondering...this place is an equal opportunity attractor
 
2013-01-07 05:02:26 PM  

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.
 
2013-01-07 05:04:17 PM  
The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.

And that will improve little Timmy's test scores?

/Education is an industry.
 
2013-01-07 05:06:26 PM  
As a product of Louisiana public schools I can, in fact, only count to 'tater.
 
2013-01-07 05:06:49 PM  

Stone Meadow: AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit...

Gotdammitsomuch, what is it about my favorite state that attracts so many crazies?

/not really wondering...this place is an equal opportunity attractor

gorillafilmmagazineblog.files.wordpress.com
"Be careful, California! You're supposed to be the crazy state, the out there, the wild ones, you know?"

Mission accomplished.
 
2013-01-07 05:08:09 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?


None. Submittard was just trying to be funny. This is the educational nonprofit founded by former DC school head Rhee. While I'm not saying her criteria are completely arbitrary, they are subjectively in line with her "data good, tenure bad, charter school good" mantra. Without taking into account any data test scores, graduation rates, and how those change over time, this evaluation is pretty suspect.
 
2013-01-07 05:09:19 PM  
Checking into the StudentsFirst site, with the about and mission pages primarily, there seems to be the same type of vagaries one would expect from any ideologically motivated group, with the only somewhat specifics being merit pay and faster firing of teachers. What is the purpose of this group, then, where there are a host of people in every state trying for those changes in flailing fashion? Not a criticism of those ideas, just unsure why an unproven and unoriginal group after two years feels capable of grading states.

mgshamster: And here's the map:


What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.
 
2013-01-07 05:10:52 PM  

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


Protip...if you are going to declare "flame on", do so with the correct verbiage instead of the opposite.

"Could", "could not"...it seems so simple.
 
2013-01-07 05:12:30 PM  
Michelle Rhee = useful idiot

She was an abject failure in improving DC schools. Rhee's a much better self-promoter than education reformer.
 
2013-01-07 05:13:06 PM  

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


Funny how people with questionable social skills just stop even trying to get along with the rest society at large after decades of trying to fit in and constantly failing.
/you did ask for a flame in your post, just being polite and filling a request
 
2013-01-07 05:16:38 PM  

mgshamster:
There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.


Suspiciously missing: student academic achievement
 
2013-01-07 05:16:52 PM  

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


BUMPS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.

/unless your Fark is way different than mine.  In which case, oops.
 
2013-01-07 05:17:22 PM  

bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.


As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too
 
2013-01-07 05:17:38 PM  

Vangor: Checking into the StudentsFirst site, with the about and mission pages primarily, there seems to be the same type of vagaries one would expect from any ideologically motivated group, with the only somewhat specifics being merit pay and faster firing of teachers. What is the purpose of this group, then, where there are a host of people in every state trying for those changes in flailing fashion? Not a criticism of those ideas, just unsure why an unproven and unoriginal group after two years feels capable of grading states.

mgshamster: And here's the map:

What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.


I don't know.  It took me a bit to get used to it.

Based on their evaluations, they seem to be giving positive scores on three things: 1) how well can teachers be evaluated and kicked out if they score poorly, 2) how much competition there is between schools and the knowledge/ability for parents and students to change schools from a bad school to a good school (this sounds a lot like a voucher program), and 3) how well the schools handle their money and how well people who don't handle money well are held accountable (and also teacher pensions, for some reason).
 
2013-01-07 05:18:23 PM  
Ignorance is bless.
 
2013-01-07 05:19:44 PM  
Actually, coming from Louisiana's public school system to Texas...

I'm more surprised Texas is rated higher than Louisiana in these studies most of the time. There are some God awful schools here in Houston. -Worse than many in Louisiana (and I know quite a lot about the state of Louisiana's education system, I went to a magnet school for the entire state of Louisiana with people from all over the state).

That also being said, I've worked with 4.0 GPA engineers from Berkeley that were as dumb as a rock, and a Chemist from Harvard, who while intelligent, seemed to know less about Chemistry than I did (took 4 years of Chemistry because I thought it was cool while pursuing my CS degree).

Of course the running joke in Louisiana about the education system goes something like this...

"The governor of Louisiana was asked by reporters what he thought about Louisiana coming in 49th in the country for education...To which he replied... 'Thank God for Arkansas.'"
 
2013-01-07 05:23:30 PM  

idsfa: mgshamster:
There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.

Suspiciously missing: student academic achievement


Nah, why would you involve STUDENTS in evaluation of a school? Crazy person. It's way more important whether the school pays a pension or 401k.
 
2013-01-07 05:24:01 PM  
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2013-01-07 05:25:37 PM  
Michelle Rhee is Tea Party friendly? Really?
 
2013-01-07 05:26:02 PM  

mgshamster: Vangor: Checking into the StudentsFirst site, with the about and mission pages primarily, there seems to be the same type of vagaries one would expect from any ideologically motivated group, with the only somewhat specifics being merit pay and faster firing of teachers. What is the purpose of this group, then, where there are a host of people in every state trying for those changes in flailing fashion? Not a criticism of those ideas, just unsure why an unproven and unoriginal group after two years feels capable of grading states.

mgshamster: And here's the map:

What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.

I don't know.  It took me a bit to get used to it.

Based on their evaluations, they seem to be giving positive scores on three things: 1) how well can teachers be evaluated and kicked out if they score poorly, 2) how much competition there is between schools and the knowledge/ability for parents and students to change schools from a bad school to a good school (this sounds a lot like a voucher program), and 3) how well the schools handle their money and how well people who don't handle money well are held accountable (and also teacher pensions, for some reason).


So basically a bunch of utterly useful, ideologically inspired metrics that do nothing to judge how well students themselves actually perform after attending this schools, yes?
 
2013-01-07 05:26:30 PM  
heh. gotta be vera careful pushing the "smart" buttons on comments in this thread. Push the wrong um, they might asplode. That said, I dun pushed 4 of them, no asplosons.
 
2013-01-07 05:27:11 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim:

So basically a bunch of utterly useless, ideologically inspired metrics that do nothing to judge how well students themselves actually perform after attending this schools, yes?


And to think I wanted a Fark preview function for years as I thought this would finally kill these sorts of self-correction posts
 
2013-01-07 05:27:37 PM  
media.screened.com
 
2013-01-07 05:28:23 PM  
Having gone to a Louisiana public high-school, I'm giving this study the side eyes.
 
2013-01-07 05:28:52 PM  

evaned: idsfa: mgshamster:
There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.

Suspiciously missing: student academic achievement

Nah, why would you involve STUDENTS in evaluation of a school? Crazy person. It's way more important whether the school pays a pension or 401k.


It seems like they want schools to provide a retirement plan for teachers that allows teachers to move districts or even states, and maintain their retirement benefits; rather than have a pension plan that is tied to one district so if the teacher moves, they have to start over.

/I have no idea if that's how it actually works, it's just what I can gather by the StudentsFirst reports and articles.
//Here's their articles on why teachers shouldn't get pensions, but instead something called a "cash-balance" program: link
///It seems to make sense.
 
2013-01-07 05:29:32 PM  
Maybe Subby could use some education in reading comprehension.
 
2013-01-07 05:30:56 PM  
In Maine, being able to count to potato is a good skill to have, subby deah.
 
2013-01-07 05:31:23 PM  
Michelle Rhee is an asshole, but she's not a Tea Partier.
She's just continuing her march from media darling (when Waiting for Superman came out) to irrelevancy (beginning when D.C. voters ousted their mayor when he refused to fire her).

Anyway, whatever grading scale gives LA and FL a "B" while giving MN a "D"... I don't think I want to improve my score. Thanksverymuch anyway.
 
2013-01-07 05:31:34 PM  

groppet: Alabama schools come in 3rd?


They're ranked second, behind Notre Dame.

/oops, wrong thread

//so sorry
 
2013-01-07 05:31:57 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Crotchrocket Slim:

So basically a bunch of utterly useless, ideologically inspired metrics that do nothing to judge how well students themselves actually perform after attending this schools, yes?

And to think I wanted a Fark preview function for years as I thought this would finally kill these sorts of self-correction posts


When I first read your comment, I didn't even notice that it said "useful" rather than "useless."  My brain auto-corrected your post.
 
2013-01-07 05:33:08 PM  

groppet: Alabama schools come in 3rd?


Didn't they almost shut down their public schools a few years ago?
 
2013-01-07 05:34:20 PM  

mgshamster: In case anyone wants to see the actual report, here it is.

And here's the map:

[s1.postimage.org image 469x340]

There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.


Elevate Teaching: How much the teacher can teach whatever they want, as long as it's about Jesus. Also suitably vague to give high marks to anyone who we want in first place

Empower Parents: If mom wants Billy to learn the Earth is flat, by golly, we'll teach it!

Spend Wisely and Govern Well: Crush Unions
 
2013-01-07 05:34:38 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They've placed more than 88% of their graduates at Clem's Refrigerator and Exotic Dance College. Go Frosted Tassels!!


Winner of the thread right here.
 
2013-01-07 05:34:50 PM  
I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.
 
2013-01-07 05:35:31 PM  

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


Were you trying to say "card-carrying democrat," jeaniuos boy?


/Come caca, pendejo. Ma ga hai, etc.
 
2013-01-07 05:36:02 PM  
Taught Enough Already
 
2013-01-07 05:36:37 PM  

ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.


That's because this evaluation isn't about student performance.  It's about spending less money and creating greater competition.

/At least, that's from what I can tell so far.
 
2013-01-07 05:38:55 PM  

ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both


Now that's what I call putting Students First.
 
2013-01-07 05:39:47 PM  
BunkyBrewman: "Maybe it is time to reconsider allowing secession."

We've got enough problems with one near-failed state to our south.
If you take away our buffer and let the fail parade march North, sane people will be forced into Canada.

/ You think those people can exist without the blue-state subsidy? The "get your government out of my Medicare" crowd? They'll move north.
// Florida would have been made Greece look like the model of economic prudence if it had to pay its citizens' social security and medicare bills after the bubble burst
/// And then Ohio becomes New Florida
 
2013-01-07 05:40:41 PM  
TEA PARTY???!!! That charge is a complete pile of bullshiat from a so-called educator who's hegemony is threatened by this organization that wants parents to have better control over the schools, and for kids to get a better education.
That 'Tea Pary' charge is a feeble attempt to make this organizatin shut up; to dismiss it as an organization not worth listening-to.

[Btw, Yes, traditionally Lousianna and Florida have had mediocre school systems, but these state have made large strides over the past few years to correct that.]

Here's the bio of Michelle Rhee -- Does this sound like a Tea Party Activist? Of course not. She's better educated than the person throwing that 'Tea Pary' epithet.

"Michelle Rhee currently serves on the Advisory Boards for the National Council on Teacher Quality, the National Center for Alternative Certification, and Project REACH of the University of Phoenix's School of Education.
Michelle has a bachelor's degree in government from Cornell University and a master's in public policy from Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government." -- Oh yeah, she's a Tea Partier!

The 'Dumbass' label deserves to go to the person who labeled this story 'Dumbass'.
 
2013-01-07 05:41:33 PM  

mgshamster: ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.

That's because this evaluation isn't about student performance.  It's about spending less money and creating greater competition.

/At least, that's from what I can tell so far.


So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).
 
2013-01-07 05:44:03 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Michelle Rhee = useful idiot

She was an abject failure in improving DC schools. Rhee's a much better self-promoter than education reformer.


Is that why they continued the same reforms under the new mayor, but with Rhee's old sidekick as the new chancellor? They're doing the same programs, but doing them "nicer" (kissing the asses of the bureaucracy and the unions and keeping the palms greased) and slower (so as to not spook anyone into thinking they won't get their cut of the pie anymore).
 
2013-01-07 05:44:08 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too


Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?
 
2013-01-07 05:46:01 PM  

ongbok: mgshamster: ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.

That's because this evaluation isn't about student performance.  It's about spending less money and creating greater competition.

/At least, that's from what I can tell so far.

So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).


I think it's an idea similar to the voucher system.  If the school your child is at is bad, you should be able to take your child out of that school and put them in another school that is good. Doing this, I am told, will create competition amongst the local schools to create the best school, because schools want the most children they can get (because each child comes with the tax money to teach him/her, and the schools want that money).  I'm not sure how this system accounts for space available, the quality of teachers, or the infrastructure of getting the kids to the school of the parent's choice, nor what it will do in areas that don't have more than one school, but it will work, I am told.
 
2013-01-07 05:47:45 PM  
Sounds all truthish and stuff. Truthy? Whatever it's totally true.
 
2013-01-07 05:47:45 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Having gone to a Louisiana public high-school, I'm giving this study the side eyes.


Hey, me too. Except I went to the "special school" and didn't have to go to the regular school with all the retards. I saw what they were doing and it was scary.
 
2013-01-07 05:48:29 PM  

ongbok: So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).


Mostly axing things that unions have fought for... tenure, pensions, those kinds of things.

Come to think of it, though Rhee isn't a Tea Partier herself, describing her group as "Tea Party Friendly" may not be so inaccurate..
 
2013-01-07 05:51:12 PM  
Looking at their methodology, a school system operating effectively has nothing to do with whether students actually learn anything. It's all about limiting the power of unions and cutting the cost of public education by funneling money to the private sector. Link
 
2013-01-07 05:51:40 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: ongbok: So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).

Mostly axing things that unions have fought for... tenure, pensions, those kinds of things.

Come to think of it, though Rhee isn't a Tea Partier herself, describing her group as "Tea Party Friendly" may not be so inaccurate..


One of the things they're fighting for (at least in California) is ending the seniority based lay-off system. They want to lay off teachers based on effectiveness rather than senoirity. Link
 
2013-01-07 05:54:00 PM  
Subby, You forgot the E in Potatoe
 
2013-01-07 05:54:02 PM  
Anyone who calls Michelle Rhee a Tea Partier only tells me that their statements are not to be trusted. Love her or hate her, you'd have to be ignorant or lying to suggest she has anything to do with the Tea Party.

So yeah, I think I'll believe the governor on this one and not the president of the teachers union.
 
2013-01-07 05:56:04 PM  

trippdogg: Looking at their methodology, a school system operating effectively has nothing to do with whether students actually learn anything. It's all about limiting the power of unions and cutting the cost of public education by funneling money to the private sector. Link


One of the things they want to get rid of is a pay increase for having a master's degree or for continuing education.  Wow.
 
2013-01-07 05:59:08 PM  

mgshamster: trippdogg: Looking at their methodology, a school system operating effectively has nothing to do with whether students actually learn anything. It's all about limiting the power of unions and cutting the cost of public education by funneling money to the private sector. Link

One of the things they want to get rid of is a pay increase for having a master's degree or for continuing education.  Wow.


They also want people to be able to teach without a bachelor's degree.  "Subject Matter/Content Knowledge" should be enough, to be evaluated by a test.
 
2013-01-07 06:00:50 PM  

mgshamster: One of the things they want to get rid of is a pay increase for having a master's degree or for continuing education. Wow.


Is a MS useful in teaching?  My engineering MS wasn't a total waste of money and time, but it was pretty close.

It's good to reward someone who keeps trying to get better at what they do but at the same time people should probably only put the time into a degree if it's actually going to help.
 
2013-01-07 06:01:48 PM  
I love how we can just make up our own reality and call it truth. And then get like-minded people to sponsor groups that then conduct "studies" to further their own agenda and worldview.
 
2013-01-07 06:03:01 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Were you trying to say "card-carrying democrat," jeaniuos boy?



What cards carrying democrats might look like

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-07 06:04:03 PM  

mgshamster: One of the things they're fighting for (at least in California) is ending the seniority based lay-off system. They want to lay off teachers based on effectiveness rather than senoirity. Link


Or just fire willy-nilly as Rhee did in D.C. Either way, not exactly anti-Tea Party.

mongbiohazard: So yeah, I think I'll believe the governor on this one and not the president of the teachers union.


You mean Maine's Tea Party governor was friendly to Rhee's group?
 
2013-01-07 06:04:29 PM  
Not tea party. In fact, if they included, "Let charter schools fend for themselves financially" then it would be an great report. There should be as many charter schools as people want, but not at the expense the public schools systems dollar.

The school unions are awful (not all unions).

Seniority based lay offs are Rhee Rhee.
 
2013-01-07 06:07:52 PM  
You know, in science, when your model gives you a model that's the opposite of reality, you revise the model.

Apparently in Derpville, when your model contradicts reality, reality is the one making a mistake.
 
2013-01-07 06:08:34 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: mgshamster: One of the things they're fighting for (at least in California) is ending the seniority based lay-off system. They want to lay off teachers based on effectiveness rather than senoirity. Link

Or just fire willy-nilly as Rhee did in D.C. Either way, not exactly anti-Tea Party.


If one were to fire/hire people based on effectiveness, they better have a damn good system for determining how effective a teach really is.  Our current student standardized test scores are a really poor way to judge a teacher on their ability to teach.  So far, I haven't seen anything from Students First that details out an effective measurement for teaching ability; only that we must base our decisions on how well teachers do, rather than how long they've been there.  I'm still reading, though, so I might come upon something later.
 
2013-01-07 06:09:47 PM  
www.troll.me
 
2013-01-07 06:10:11 PM  

mgshamster: ongbok: mgshamster: ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.

That's because this evaluation isn't about student performance.  It's about spending less money and creating greater competition.

/At least, that's from what I can tell so far.

So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).

I think it's an idea similar to the voucher system.  If the school your child is at is bad, you should be able to take your child out of that school and put them in another school that is good. Doing this, I am told, will create competition amongst the local schools to create the best school, because schools want the most children they can get (because each child comes with the tax money to teach him/her, and the schools want that money).  I'm not sure how this system accounts for space available, the quality of teachers, or the infrastructure of getting the kids to the school of the parent's choice, nor what it will do in areas that don't have more than one school, but it will work, I am told.


Well, we've already tried a version of this at the collegiate level. Everyone can get a student loan and take that loan to whatever institute calling itself a college that they want. In response, instead of more Harvards and CalTechs magicially popping up due to competition, we've seen a much greater number of a new beast appear: the for profit college, e.g. ITT, Univ of Phoenix, Devry, etc. Also, college costs have increased greater than the rate of inflation for 40+ years.
 
2013-01-07 06:13:09 PM  

mgshamster: trippdogg: Looking at their methodology, a school system operating effectively has nothing to do with whether students actually learn anything. It's all about limiting the power of unions and cutting the cost of public education by funneling money to the private sector. Link

One of the things they want to get rid of is a pay increase for having a master's degree or for continuing education.  Wow.


My favorite: "The state has no class size restrictions above third grade." Because warehousing 4th graders in lots of 500 is a much more effective learning environment.
 
2013-01-07 06:13:40 PM  
If'in you can pick a banjo go to the head of the class.
 
2013-01-07 06:14:16 PM  

vpb: Louisiana was the highest rated.  I'll bet Mainers really envy Louisiana's education system.


as a LA resident and living just outside of New Orleans i can assure you the rating is seriously flawed. given that Jindal's voucher program got beat back in court tells you something too.
 
2013-01-07 06:14:46 PM  

Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too

Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?


The Oxford Dictionary, for one

Like I said, this is mostly for informal communication, for formal communication the older standards I assume you're supporting still apply.
 
2013-01-07 06:15:28 PM  

you have pee hands: mgshamster: One of the things they want to get rid of is a pay increase for having a master's degree or for continuing education. Wow.

Is a MS useful in teaching?  My engineering MS wasn't a total waste of money and time, but it was pretty close.

It's good to reward someone who keeps trying to get better at what they do but at the same time people should probably only put the time into a degree if it's actually going to help.


Depends on how we define "useful." I'm of the opinion that advanced knowledge on a subject can help illuminate the subject when teaching it to others; of course, that individual must first be good at actually imparting information.  I am aware that advanced knowledge might not help you land a job or perform the very specific duties of one specific company, but I find it difficult to believe that it won't help in teaching. (depending on what level one is actually teaching).

/Of course, if it is an intellectually poor program or a program lacking in rigor, then no, it would not help with anything
//As always, I'm willing to change my opinions with further knowledge.
 
2013-01-07 06:16:31 PM  

crazydave023: I love how we can just make up our own reality and call it truth. And then get like-minded people to sponsor groups that then conduct "studies" to further their own agenda and worldview.


when a nations government leads the way others are sure to follow.
 
2013-01-07 06:19:42 PM  

trippdogg: mgshamster: trippdogg: Looking at their methodology, a school system operating effectively has nothing to do with whether students actually learn anything. It's all about limiting the power of unions and cutting the cost of public education by funneling money to the private sector. Link

One of the things they want to get rid of is a pay increase for having a master's degree or for continuing education.  Wow.

My favorite: "The state has no class size restrictions above third grade." Because warehousing 4th graders in lots of 500 is a much more effective learning environment.


Wow. Just wow.  I have a hard enough time handling that many students at the college level - people who actually want to be there (more or less).  I can't imagine how difficult it would be to handle class sizes that large in a middle school or high school.

Also, have you listened to this? "Two Steps Back" (audio, 1 hour, transcripts available in link).  It's the tale of how one school radically reformed education for the better in a very poor neighborhood, and how the district managed to subsequently destroy a system that worked.
 
2013-01-07 06:23:17 PM  

Persnickety: mgshamster: ongbok: mgshamster: ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.

That's because this evaluation isn't about student performance.  It's about spending less money and creating greater competition.

/At least, that's from what I can tell so far.

So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).

I think it's an idea similar to the voucher system.  If the school your child is at is bad, you should be able to take your child out of that school and put them in another school that is good. Doing this, I am told, will create competition amongst the local schools to create the best school, because schools want the most children they can get (because each child comes with the tax money to teach him/her, and the schools want that money).  I'm not sure how this system accounts for space available, the quality of teachers, or the infrastructure of getting the kids to the school of the parent's choice, nor what it will do in areas that don't have more than one school, but it will work, I am told.

Well, we've already tried a version of this at the collegiate level. Everyone can get a student loan and take that loan to whatever institute calling itself a college that they want. In response, instead of more Harvards and CalTechs magicially popping up due to competition, we've seen a much greater number of a new beast appear: the for profit college, e.g. ITT, Univ of Phoenix, Devry, etc. Also, college costs have increased greater than the rate of inflation for 40+ years.


It kind of calls into question how well the competition model works when the product is only going to be sold once per person per lifetime.
 
2013-01-07 06:31:11 PM  
The derp level just reached 9001.
 
2013-01-07 06:34:48 PM  

H31N0US: The amount of derp from the Tea Party is farking astounding.


It's the Koch brothers. Honestly, I don't even have to look this one up, I just know it.
 
2013-01-07 06:42:32 PM  
Eye wint two publik skool en Loosiena an gradji gredj fineshed jist fyne sew a'm getin ay kik owtta thes string thred
 
2013-01-07 06:44:30 PM  
I see. This is some anti-union douche named Rhee who takes money from Rupert Murderdoch, The Cock brothers, and various big corporations that hate Amercia. He also inflated test scores... wants to get rid of caps on charter schools... it's so transparent an agenda, and the right wing idiots out there just lap it up thinking about how big that fascist dick will feel in their slavish gobs.
 
2013-01-07 06:45:27 PM  
Shouldn't schools be ranked by how successful their students are when they grow up or if they are contributing citizens, rather than vague metrics like how funding is being spent or how much influence parents have on teaching creationism/historical revisionism?
 
2013-01-07 06:45:58 PM  

WE DEMAND IDIOCRACY

 
2013-01-07 06:48:22 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too

Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?

The Oxford Dictionary, for one

Like I said, this is mostly for informal communication, for formal communication the older standards I assume you're supporting still apply.


At least Oxford calls it colloquial slang. I'm good with that.
 
2013-01-07 06:52:40 PM  

Persnickety: mgshamster: ongbok: mgshamster: ongbok: I find it funny that NH gets a GPA of .77 for elevating teaching in this system and LA gets a GPA of 3.77 even though LA is 47 in math and 49 in reading and NH is ranked 6th in both. This tells me that NH is doing more to elevate teaching than LA. Or if you want to compare LA to a state with a comparable sized population look at IL. IL ranked 27 in both reading and math and only received a 1.36.

That's because this evaluation isn't about student performance.  It's about spending less money and creating greater competition.

/At least, that's from what I can tell so far.

So to hell with student performance, lets not try to emulate the places that are doing good, lets just spend less and create more competition (whatever that means in teaching).

I think it's an idea similar to the voucher system.  If the school your child is at is bad, you should be able to take your child out of that school and put them in another school that is good. Doing this, I am told, will create competition amongst the local schools to create the best school, because schools want the most children they can get (because each child comes with the tax money to teach him/her, and the schools want that money).  I'm not sure how this system accounts for space available, the quality of teachers, or the infrastructure of getting the kids to the school of the parent's choice, nor what it will do in areas that don't have more than one school, but it will work, I am told.

Well, we've already tried a version of this at the collegiate level. Everyone can get a student loan and take that loan to whatever institute calling itself a college that they want. In response, instead of more Harvards and CalTechs magicially popping up due to competition, we've seen a much greater number of a new beast appear: the for profit college, e.g. ITT, Univ of Phoenix, Devry, etc. Also, college costs have increased greater than the rate of inflation for 40+ years.


Are you implying that the American University College Technical Institute isn't as good as Harvard? Because I will put my $250,000 degree in IT up against any Harvard grad's any day of the week. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to the drive-through, my shift manager is giving me the evil eye.
 
2013-01-07 07:23:22 PM  
F*ck Michelle Rhee.
 
2013-01-07 07:24:00 PM  
Rhee has become the darling of several GOP governors, even serving on the transition team of Rick "Skeletor" Scott, Governor of Florida, which is #2 on her group's list, "coincidentally".
 
2013-01-07 07:38:08 PM  
Adding to what I said above, Rhee is evidently to teachers and their unions what Grover Norquist is to taxes. Like Rhee, Norquist also works for a non-profit group with an agenda, in his case, Americans for Tax Reform.
 
2013-01-07 07:39:39 PM  

Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too

Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?

The Oxford Dictionary, for one

Like I said, this is mostly for informal communication, for formal communication the older standards I assume you're supporting still apply.

At least Oxford calls it colloquial slang. I'm good with that.


Same here.  I've come to terms with the fact that it's an acceptable phrase, but I don't think I'll ever lose my contempt for people who can't parse a simple farking sentence and pick the version that makes sense.
 
2013-01-07 07:39:56 PM  

H31N0US: The amount of derp from the Tea Party is farking astounding.


They're total dtubs.
/to dumb to be called retards.
 
2013-01-07 07:45:58 PM  
See, this is a typo. Florida wasn't great at math and reading; they took the top spot in meth and breeding. Understandable mistake.
 
2013-01-07 07:55:45 PM  

GhostfacedFiddlah: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: Ray Vaughn: Crotchrocket Slim: bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.

As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too

Who recently settled this debate that would allow contradictory phrases to mean the same thing?

The Oxford Dictionary, for one

Like I said, this is mostly for informal communication, for formal communication the older standards I assume you're supporting still apply.

At least Oxford calls it colloquial slang. I'm good with that.

Same here.  I've come to terms with the fact that it's an acceptable phrase, but I don't think I'll ever lose my contempt for people who can't parse a simple farking sentence and pick the version that makes sense.


I'll admit I won't assume anyone using what used to be the "incorrect" form of the phrase to be especially well educated.
 
2013-01-07 08:01:40 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: mongbiohazard: So yeah, I think I'll believe the governor on this one and not the president of the teachers union.

You mean Maine's Tea Party governor was friendly to Rhee's group?



Oddly enough, it seems so. I am certainly not as familiar with LePage as I am with MIchelle Rhee, being down here in DC and all, but if someone is claiming Michelle Rhee is a Tea Partier then right there that's pretty much all the red flag about them I need. You don't just say someone is a member of a group like that FOR them, you have to know it's a lie when you open your mouth and make those words up.
 
2013-01-07 08:03:24 PM  
"Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC"

Rhee?, Tea Party? Good one subby, now go take your meds. I'm betting you were educated in Maine.
 
2013-01-07 08:04:09 PM  
Hmmnnn... though come to think of it, and having done some of my schooling in Florida (among a few other states along the East Coast), any group which claims that Florida's school system is one of the best in the country is also suspect for me. Differently.
 
2013-01-07 08:06:57 PM  

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


It's "couldn't care less."
 
2013-01-07 08:10:28 PM  
"Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."-http://www.bjupress.com/product/228163?path=94384&spot=1">Lif e Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

"[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls...The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."-http://www.bjupress.com/product/228163?path=94384&spot=1">Lif e Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007

"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."-http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn=10 9088">America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994

"Africa is a continent with many needs. It is still in need of the gospel...Only about ten percent of Africans can read and write. In some areas the mission schools have been shut down by Communists who have taken over the government."-http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn =135275">Old World History and Geography in Christian Perspective, 3rd ed., A Beka Book, 2004

"A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."-http://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Schools-Timothy-Keesee/ dp/0890 845794/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top" target="_blank">United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991

"[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."-United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001

"Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath...Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."-http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn=10 3462" target="_blank">United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1996

"Ignoring 3,500 years of Judeo-Christian civilization, religion, morality, and law, the Burger Court held that an unborn child was not a living person but rather the "property" of the mother (much like slaves were considered property in the 1857 case of Dred Scott v. Sandford)."-http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn= 38733">American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

"It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."- http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn=38733">Amer ican Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997

"[Mark] Twain's outlook was both self-centered and ultimately hopeless...Twain's skepticism was clearly not the honest questioning of a seeker of truth but the deliberate defiance of a confessed rebel."- Bob Jones University, 2001

"Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."-Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001

"Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute...A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."-

Gay people "have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists."-Teacher's Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998

"Global environmentalists have said and written enough to leave no doubt that their goal is to destroy the prosperous economies of the world's richest nations."-http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn=6 1263" target="_blank">Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999

"But instead of this world unification ushering in an age of prosperity and peace, as most globalists believe it will, it will be a time of unimaginable human suffering as recorded in God's Word. The Anti-christ will tightly regulate who may buy and sell."-http://www.abeka.com/ABekaOnline/BookDescription.aspx?sbn=61263 " target="_blank">Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999
 
2013-01-07 08:32:56 PM  
Mentat, what was the point of that?
 
2013-01-07 08:33:27 PM  

bgflores: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?

None. Submittard was just trying to be funny. This is the educational nonprofit founded by former DC school head Rhee. While I'm not saying her criteria are completely arbitrary, they are subjectively in line with her "data good, tenure bad, charter school good" mantra. Without taking into account any data test scores, graduation rates, and how those change over time, this evaluation is pretty suspect.


Flo-Bee, that you? Is this how you divert rage when the Saints miss the playoffs?
 
2013-01-07 08:41:21 PM  
The Miami Herald has done a fantastic job exposing the scam that is the Charter School system in Florida.

http://www.miamiherald.com/charterschools/

Any survey  that has Florida and Louisiana doing better than Minnesota and Massachusetts should not be taken seriously.
 
2013-01-07 08:41:58 PM  

bgflores: While I'm not saying her criteria are completely arbitrary, they are subjectively in line with her "data good, tenure bad, charter school good" mantra. Without taking into account any data test scores, graduation rates, and how those change over time, this evaluation is pretty suspect.


So kind of like someone coming up with a list of the overhead costs of various charities, then grading them on it, and clearly labeling the list as such. Then people come along and complain, "This list of which charities are the best doesn't even take effectiveness into account."  Also, a Submittard claims the list was created by a group affiliated with NAMBLA.
 
2013-01-07 08:45:26 PM  
 
2013-01-07 08:46:15 PM  
 
2013-01-07 08:56:16 PM  
Michelle Rhee is married to the mayor of Sacramento.

He's a Democrat.

She was an ally of Arne Duncan, who is Obama's Sec. of Education.

I don't think this is the Tea Party you think you are looking for.
 
2013-01-07 08:57:03 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They've placed more than 88% of their graduates at Clem's Refrigerator and Exotic Dance College. Go Frosted Tassels!!


New super-villian???
 
2013-01-07 09:13:23 PM  
This study is bullshiat. I'm from Louisiana, and anyone who has lived here knows one thing: if we didn't have Arkansas and Mississippi around to make us look good (if thats even possible) then we would be screwed. The majority of people around here can barely count to potato.
 
2013-01-07 09:15:05 PM  

Mrtraveler01: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/19/2541051/florida-charter-schools - big-money.html#morer

Just trying to show what a load of crap this survey is.


No no. That fits in line perfectly with the "no regulations" mantra. Because regulations stifle progress and innovation. And if it doesn't perform, the free market will fix it.

/or something like that.
 
2013-01-07 09:33:14 PM  

Cobataiwan: Michelle Rhee is married to the mayor of Sacramento.

He's a Democrat.

She was an ally of Arne Duncan, who is Obama's Sec. of Education.

I don't think this is the Tea Party you think you are looking for.


The key word here I think is "was".

Besides her connection to Governor Skeletor, she was a partner in crime with Wisconsin's Scott Walker...

Rhee did defend some of Walker's anti-union measures twice on television soon after he announced his plan. "The move to try to limit what [public-sector unions] bargain over is an incredibly important one," she said on "Fox and Friends."

Months later, Rhee appeared alongside Walker at a DC meeting of the American Federation for Children, a hard-line conservative education organization founded by Betsy DeVos, the wife of Amway heir Dick DeVos and a funder of numerous conservative causes.

Since leaving DC, Rhee has embraced and promoted a more conservative, anti-union education reform agenda. She pushed a bill in the Tennessee legislature that ended collective bargaining for teachers, stumped for Ohio's SB 5 bill (later repealed via referendum) which restricted bargaining rights, and has worked as an unpaid adviser to Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a tea-party-favorite who "has never met a voucher or a charter school he doesn't like," as one education reporter put it.

While I probably wouldn't describe her as a hardcore teabagger, she's certainly sold out to the crony capitalist side of the GOP.
 
2013-01-07 10:14:32 PM  

mgshamster: Mentat, what was the point of that?


Link
 
2013-01-07 10:49:50 PM  

Mentat: mgshamster: Mentat, what was the point of that?

Link


Thanks! I was wondering how it was relevant.
 
2013-01-07 11:28:48 PM  

mgshamster: Mentat: mgshamster: Mentat, what was the point of that?

Link

Thanks! I was wondering how it was relevant.


I should have put that in the original post.
 
2013-01-08 12:33:06 AM  
www.towncrierdubuque.com
 
2013-01-08 12:38:22 AM  
The Tea Party Mantra: War is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength
 
2013-01-08 12:40:57 AM  

clane: [www.towncrierdubuque.com image 480x395]


To be fair, some buses are natural gas driven now (soon we'll probably have electric too), but to also be fair those natural gas extraction techniques aren't doing good things for the environment and the homeowners who were duped into allowing those gas fracking extraction companies to drill on their land.
 
2013-01-08 12:52:32 AM  

Vangor: mgshamster: And here's the map:

What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.


Looks like the Tea Party statisticians failed art class.
 
2013-01-08 12:54:22 AM  
Screw education, today's kids can't learn anything anyway. Just use them all for medical experiments
 
2013-01-08 04:00:13 AM  
Lol public schools
 
2013-01-08 09:01:59 AM  

mongbiohazard: Anyone who calls Michelle Rhee a Tea Partier only tells me that their statements are not to be trusted. Love her or hate her, you'd have to be ignorant or lying to suggest she has anything to do with the Tea Party.

So yeah, I think I'll believe the governor on this one and not the president of the teachers union.


Well, she was school chancelor in Washington, DC. And as we all know DC has long been dominated by Tea Party politics. They were the first major metropolitan area to have an all Tea Party government. Why do you think DC changed their plates to bear the slogan "Taxation Without Representation"?

/not subtard.
 
2013-01-08 11:00:53 AM  

mgshamster: In case anyone wants to see the actual report, here it is.

And here's the map:

[s1.postimage.org image 469x340]

There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.


New Hampshire will ALWAYS have an F based on their criteria.

All schools are deeply locally controlled due to the tax system. They do not have state income tax and schools are funded by local real estate taxes. People like to have a say in where the $ goes. On the other hand, they are not shy about screwing unions of all kinds to save $ on their real estate taxes.
 
2013-01-08 11:17:46 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?


True. She's a liberal and the lobbying group has no obvious Tea Party affiliations.

However, she is cray cray. And Korean. Which is redundant.

/her vajay jay goes side to side rather than front to back.
 
2013-01-08 11:29:47 AM  
Follow the money trail. This hidden agenda of this organization is killing teachers unions. Care to speculate on who's funding them?
 
2013-01-08 12:11:33 PM  
So all the same Farkers who say "Murikans" are idiots, think that our education system is working just fine and there's no need to change it. Got it.
 
2013-01-08 12:17:22 PM  

RevMark: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?

True. She's a liberal and the lobbying group has no obvious Tea Party affiliations.

However, she is cray cray. And Korean. Which is redundant.

/her vajay jay goes side to side rather than front to back.


I think it comes from her anti-union, pro-voucher stance, which usually have a stronger association with the TEA Party than the liberals.
 
2013-01-08 02:09:00 PM  
Their entire criteria was number of bibles per student.
 
2013-01-08 11:50:25 PM  

NephilimNexus: Their entire criteria was number of bibles per student.


This! *times infinity!*

/the only criteria these jerks care about is how many children have been indoctrinated into or can be targeted for indoctrination into the Christian religion
//actual education priority falls back to 12th place for these people
 
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