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2013-01-07 01:09:04 PM
any group that has florida ranked near the top in education is totally suspect.
 
2013-01-07 01:19:24 PM
Maybe it is time to reconsider allowing secession.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-07 02:24:53 PM
Louisiana was the highest rated.  I'll bet Mainers really envy Louisiana's education system.
 
2013-01-07 03:06:30 PM
didn't louisiana just tell the creationists to fark off recently?
 
2013-01-07 03:42:55 PM

FlashHarry: didn't louisiana just tell the creationists to fark off recently?


The Orleans Parish School Board did.  Which was great, and all, but public schools in New Orleans already excel in kids not learning anything, so adding creationism to the heap isn't as big a deal as it sounds.
 
2013-01-07 03:55:00 PM
I don't doubt they are the highest, if I had to survive that educational system I'd be baked out of my gourd.
 
2013-01-07 04:06:15 PM
They've placed more than 88% of their graduates at Clem's Refrigerator and Exotic Dance College. Go Frosted Tassels!!
 
2013-01-07 04:40:14 PM
FTA: The California-based nonprofit was founded by Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC and is criticized as someone who is anti-union.

The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.


Why is a report evaluating how well a public education system is teaching the children suggesting a 401k plan rather than a pension plan for the teachers?

Methinks this nonprofit does have a hidden agenda or more.
 
2013-01-07 04:50:07 PM
Alabama schools come in 3rd?
 
2013-01-07 04:52:31 PM
We should really consider leaving those children behind.
 
2013-01-07 04:53:21 PM
Yes, we should all strive to be like Florida where crooked real estate type are able to run their own Charter School.
 
2013-01-07 04:53:35 PM

groppet: Alabama schools come in 3rd?


Don't be stupid...Mississippi.
 
2013-01-07 04:54:39 PM
/obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.
 
2013-01-07 04:54:50 PM
Not often you see "tea party" and "education" in the same sentence without an "opposed to" or "completely lacks" thrown in.
 
2013-01-07 04:55:49 PM
The amount of derp from the Tea Party is farking astounding.
 
2013-01-07 04:56:44 PM

AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit was founded by Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC and is criticized as someone who is anti-union.

The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.

Why is a report evaluating how well a public education system is teaching the children suggesting a 401k plan rather than a pension plan for the teachers?

Methinks this nonprofit does have a hidden agenda or more.


One of the categories on the assessment was "Spend Wisely."
 
2013-01-07 04:57:42 PM
HERP FOR THE DERP KING
 
2013-01-07 04:58:32 PM
I thought Michelle Rhee was (is) brilliant. If she gives Maine a D- in spending wisely, they earned it.

They also recommended that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program. This is clear anti-union heresy, of course.
 
2013-01-07 04:59:06 PM
The schools were ranked based on students' ability to erect and set fire to a wooden cross.
 
2013-01-07 04:59:12 PM
"Tea Party-friendly education group" seems as odd a phrase as "logical creationists and flat-earth society members."
 
2013-01-07 04:59:39 PM

AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit was founded by Michelle Rhee, who has previously served as chancellor of the public schools in Washington, DC and is criticized as someone who is anti-union.

The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.

Why is a report evaluating how well a public education system is teaching the children suggesting a 401k plan rather than a pension plan for the teachers?

Methinks this nonprofit does have a hidden agenda or more.


Even more scary is that the governor of Maine basically praised and agreed with the report. I'd be furious if I was a voter in that state.
 
2013-01-07 05:00:26 PM
In case anyone wants to see the actual report, here it is.

And here's the map:

s1.postimage.org

There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.
 
2013-01-07 05:00:29 PM
Are these the same group of people who thought Romney would win by a landslide?

/went there
//they deserve every bit of it
 
2013-01-07 05:01:32 PM
 
2013-01-07 05:02:08 PM
What the hell do I care? I already got learned up.

/8th grade was good enough for granpappy, it's good enough for me.
 
2013-01-07 05:02:11 PM

AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit...


Gotdammitsomuch, what is it about my favorite state that attracts so many crazies?

/not really wondering...this place is an equal opportunity attractor
 
2013-01-07 05:02:26 PM

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.
 
2013-01-07 05:04:17 PM
The report recommends that Maine move away from giving teachers pensions and instead gravitate toward a 401k program.

And that will improve little Timmy's test scores?

/Education is an industry.
 
2013-01-07 05:06:26 PM
As a product of Louisiana public schools I can, in fact, only count to 'tater.
 
2013-01-07 05:06:49 PM

Stone Meadow: AirForceVet: FTA: The California-based nonprofit...

Gotdammitsomuch, what is it about my favorite state that attracts so many crazies?

/not really wondering...this place is an equal opportunity attractor

gorillafilmmagazineblog.files.wordpress.com
"Be careful, California! You're supposed to be the crazy state, the out there, the wild ones, you know?"

Mission accomplished.
 
2013-01-07 05:08:09 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I don't see any direct or indirect connection with the Tea Party

Maybe I'm missing something?


None. Submittard was just trying to be funny. This is the educational nonprofit founded by former DC school head Rhee. While I'm not saying her criteria are completely arbitrary, they are subjectively in line with her "data good, tenure bad, charter school good" mantra. Without taking into account any data test scores, graduation rates, and how those change over time, this evaluation is pretty suspect.
 
2013-01-07 05:09:19 PM
Checking into the StudentsFirst site, with the about and mission pages primarily, there seems to be the same type of vagaries one would expect from any ideologically motivated group, with the only somewhat specifics being merit pay and faster firing of teachers. What is the purpose of this group, then, where there are a host of people in every state trying for those changes in flailing fashion? Not a criticism of those ideas, just unsure why an unproven and unoriginal group after two years feels capable of grading states.

mgshamster: And here's the map:


What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.
 
2013-01-07 05:10:52 PM

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


Protip...if you are going to declare "flame on", do so with the correct verbiage instead of the opposite.

"Could", "could not"...it seems so simple.
 
2013-01-07 05:12:30 PM
Michelle Rhee = useful idiot

She was an abject failure in improving DC schools. Rhee's a much better self-promoter than education reformer.
 
2013-01-07 05:13:06 PM

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


Funny how people with questionable social skills just stop even trying to get along with the rest society at large after decades of trying to fit in and constantly failing.
/you did ask for a flame in your post, just being polite and filling a request
 
2013-01-07 05:16:38 PM

mgshamster:
There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.


Suspiciously missing: student academic achievement
 
2013-01-07 05:16:52 PM

Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.


BUMPS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.

/unless your Fark is way different than mine.  In which case, oops.
 
2013-01-07 05:17:22 PM

bgflores: Wook: /obligatory bump for my friends in the Tea Party. I could care less what a card carrying democrat will ever think of me. Flame on biatches.

Thus displaying how Teaducation has benefited you. If you "could" care less, then you care more than you should. The proper usage is "couldn't care less", thereby signifying that you have no regard for what others think of you.


As much as I like flimsy excuses to flame Teahadists this has debate has been somewhat settled recently in that both forms actually mean the same thing in every day usage (though in more formal settings you are still 100% correct bgflores
/fair is fair
//kicking myself for not mocking the 'bagger for his potentially intentional use error too
 
2013-01-07 05:17:38 PM

Vangor: Checking into the StudentsFirst site, with the about and mission pages primarily, there seems to be the same type of vagaries one would expect from any ideologically motivated group, with the only somewhat specifics being merit pay and faster firing of teachers. What is the purpose of this group, then, where there are a host of people in every state trying for those changes in flailing fashion? Not a criticism of those ideas, just unsure why an unproven and unoriginal group after two years feels capable of grading states.

mgshamster: And here's the map:

What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.


I don't know.  It took me a bit to get used to it.

Based on their evaluations, they seem to be giving positive scores on three things: 1) how well can teachers be evaluated and kicked out if they score poorly, 2) how much competition there is between schools and the knowledge/ability for parents and students to change schools from a bad school to a good school (this sounds a lot like a voucher program), and 3) how well the schools handle their money and how well people who don't handle money well are held accountable (and also teacher pensions, for some reason).
 
2013-01-07 05:18:23 PM
Ignorance is bless.
 
2013-01-07 05:19:44 PM
Actually, coming from Louisiana's public school system to Texas...

I'm more surprised Texas is rated higher than Louisiana in these studies most of the time. There are some God awful schools here in Houston. -Worse than many in Louisiana (and I know quite a lot about the state of Louisiana's education system, I went to a magnet school for the entire state of Louisiana with people from all over the state).

That also being said, I've worked with 4.0 GPA engineers from Berkeley that were as dumb as a rock, and a Chemist from Harvard, who while intelligent, seemed to know less about Chemistry than I did (took 4 years of Chemistry because I thought it was cool while pursuing my CS degree).

Of course the running joke in Louisiana about the education system goes something like this...

"The governor of Louisiana was asked by reporters what he thought about Louisiana coming in 49th in the country for education...To which he replied... 'Thank God for Arkansas.'"
 
2013-01-07 05:23:30 PM

idsfa: mgshamster:
There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.

Suspiciously missing: student academic achievement


Nah, why would you involve STUDENTS in evaluation of a school? Crazy person. It's way more important whether the school pays a pension or 401k.
 
2013-01-07 05:24:01 PM
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2013-01-07 05:25:37 PM
Michelle Rhee is Tea Party friendly? Really?
 
2013-01-07 05:26:02 PM

mgshamster: Vangor: Checking into the StudentsFirst site, with the about and mission pages primarily, there seems to be the same type of vagaries one would expect from any ideologically motivated group, with the only somewhat specifics being merit pay and faster firing of teachers. What is the purpose of this group, then, where there are a host of people in every state trying for those changes in flailing fashion? Not a criticism of those ideas, just unsure why an unproven and unoriginal group after two years feels capable of grading states.

mgshamster: And here's the map:

What the f*ck is with the coloring? "F" is red, but "D" is really light blue, "C" a slightly darker blue, "B" really dark blue, and "A" is a medium green... Other than "F", I have to look back at the key every five seconds to know what is happening.

I don't know.  It took me a bit to get used to it.

Based on their evaluations, they seem to be giving positive scores on three things: 1) how well can teachers be evaluated and kicked out if they score poorly, 2) how much competition there is between schools and the knowledge/ability for parents and students to change schools from a bad school to a good school (this sounds a lot like a voucher program), and 3) how well the schools handle their money and how well people who don't handle money well are held accountable (and also teacher pensions, for some reason).


So basically a bunch of utterly useful, ideologically inspired metrics that do nothing to judge how well students themselves actually perform after attending this schools, yes?
 
2013-01-07 05:26:30 PM
heh. gotta be vera careful pushing the "smart" buttons on comments in this thread. Push the wrong um, they might asplode. That said, I dun pushed 4 of them, no asplosons.
 
2013-01-07 05:27:11 PM

Crotchrocket Slim:

So basically a bunch of utterly useless, ideologically inspired metrics that do nothing to judge how well students themselves actually perform after attending this schools, yes?


And to think I wanted a Fark preview function for years as I thought this would finally kill these sorts of self-correction posts
 
2013-01-07 05:27:37 PM
media.screened.com
 
2013-01-07 05:28:23 PM
Having gone to a Louisiana public high-school, I'm giving this study the side eyes.
 
2013-01-07 05:28:52 PM

evaned: idsfa: mgshamster:
There are three primary categories:
1) Elevate Teaching
2) Empower Parents
3) Spend Wisely & Govern Well

Plus an "Overall" category that combines the scores to give the map above.

Suspiciously missing: student academic achievement

Nah, why would you involve STUDENTS in evaluation of a school? Crazy person. It's way more important whether the school pays a pension or 401k.


It seems like they want schools to provide a retirement plan for teachers that allows teachers to move districts or even states, and maintain their retirement benefits; rather than have a pension plan that is tied to one district so if the teacher moves, they have to start over.

/I have no idea if that's how it actually works, it's just what I can gather by the StudentsFirst reports and articles.
//Here's their articles on why teachers shouldn't get pensions, but instead something called a "cash-balance" program: link
///It seems to make sense.
 
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