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2013-01-07 11:07:00 AM
If you've ever seen someone who has just hit on the wrong girl with her biker boyfriend in the bar, you would know that many current drunks make unstoppable runners too!  Hell, put three or four big dudes wanting to crush my drunk ass on my tail and watch me do a three minute mile.
 
2013-01-07 11:15:38 AM
This is very true, when I got back from a wild drunk down in Mexico, I couldn't stop my runs . . .
 
2013-01-07 11:23:24 AM

Ennuipoet: If you've ever seen someone who has just hit on the wrong girl with her biker boyfriend in the bar, you would know that many current drunks make unstoppable runners too!  Hell, put three or four big dudes wanting to crush my drunk ass on my tail and watch me do a three minute mile.


False.

Rummys have no wind.
 
2013-01-07 11:35:27 AM
Boozy training runs can be fun, but not for distances over 5 or 6 miles. I certainly wouldn't tackle marathon mileage on the sauce...

The truth is marathons/ultras work well for some of us because we are okay being completely alone with ourselves for hours at a time (without fap breaks)... some people can't handle alone time like that without some sort of media stimulation or libation at hand.
 
2013-01-07 11:47:46 AM
So, replace one addiction with another?
 
2013-01-07 12:14:24 PM
That article is eerily true...
 
2013-01-07 12:34:46 PM
Shaking up a belly full of alcohol by a nice jog sounds like a terrible idea.
 
2013-01-07 12:36:25 PM

Ennuipoet: If you've ever seen someone who has just hit on the wrong girl with her biker boyfriend in the bar, you would know that many current drunks make unstoppable runners too!  Hell, put three or four big dudes wanting to crush my drunk ass on my tail and watch me do a three minute mile.


Was her name Linda Lu?
 
2013-01-07 12:36:25 PM
Former? I manage both quite well, and my local hash kennel gives me plenty of practice.
 
2013-01-07 12:38:14 PM
coco ebert: "So, replace one addiction with another?"

Pretty much.
That's part of why AA has the "higher power" tie-in: it provides a default addiction to swap in.
But some dodge organized religion and become a workaholic or seize on exercise or woodworking or whatever.

/ knows a former alcoholic who's now a runner
// getting a kick
 
2013-01-07 12:38:41 PM
Exercise is always a good idea, but they do tell recovering people to exercise, and do it as much as they want.

To this day, I exercise like a fiend. I'm not a fitness nut, I'm not worried about my weight, I don't eat super-healthy, I don't keep charts about my BMI and my weight and the size of my thighs. But if I didn't exercise every day, I'd probably kill someone, or myself.

So go for a long walk. It feels good.
 
2013-01-07 12:38:42 PM

coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?


They could at least encourage something useful for the new addiction, like categorizing insects or lichens at a museum.
 
2013-01-07 12:39:20 PM

Elzar: Boozy training runs can be fun, but not for distances over 5 or 6 miles. I certainly wouldn't tackle marathon mileage on the sauce...

The truth is marathons/ultras work well for some of us because we are okay being completely alone with ourselves for hours at a time (without fap breaks)... some people can't handle alone time like that without some sort of media stimulation or libation at hand.


I don't know, the Bordeaux marathon sounds like a lot of fun.
 
2013-01-07 12:43:41 PM
There is a group that I did a logo for, Runners in Recovery. You simply replace one habit with another, as coco implied. My good friend who commissioned my firm to do the logo is a recovering alcoholic who is now a counselor and a mighty running warrior...ran across the Gobi desert or some such nonsense. I like wearing my logo t-shirt, but it embarrasses my wife...I am not sure if it is because of the inference that I might be a recovering alcoholic or the fact that my physique indicates that I am most certainly not a runner. I have considered drinking a beer while wearing it, but was told that would be in poor form.
 
2013-01-07 12:43:53 PM

Elzar: alone


I love that alone time. I lead a very busy life with a lot of people who enjoy having me in it - that being said my few hours a week out running with my dog is my time, well our time.

thatmutt.com
My little Chocolate Lab / Pit Bull mix loves those 2 - 3 mile runs , any more than that and she just sits down and gives me the "Dad, I'm done with this." look.

She's been my running partner since i stopped abusing myself with fast food, pizza and endless oceans of chemicals (alcohol or otherwise) that was killing me. I'm not a marathoner yet (i'm catching up to my brother...he just finished his first Iron Man) - just a fitness runner who really loves getting out with his puppy for a quiet moment in my head. It's certainly a lot more peaceful in here since i started doing this.
 
2013-01-07 12:45:49 PM

Expolaris: Elzar: alone

I love that alone time. I lead a very busy life with a lot of people who enjoy having me in it - that being said my few hours a week out running with my dog is my time, well our time.

[thatmutt.com image 653x393]
My little Chocolate Lab / Pit Bull mix loves those 2 - 3 mile runs , any more than that and she just sits down and gives me the "Dad, I'm done with this." look.

She's been my running partner since i stopped abusing myself with fast food, pizza and endless oceans of chemicals (alcohol or otherwise) that was killing me. I'm not a marathoner yet (i'm catching up to my brother...he just finished his first Iron Man) - just a fitness runner who really loves getting out with his puppy for a quiet moment in my head. It's certainly a lot more peaceful in here since i started doing this.


So.... you're a "dad" with tits
 
2013-01-07 12:47:39 PM
same for chronic masterbation
 
2013-01-07 12:47:41 PM

coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?


Yes
 
2013-01-07 12:48:09 PM

Pinner: Expolaris: Elzar: alone

I love that alone time. I lead a very busy life with a lot of people who enjoy having me in it - that being said my few hours a week out running with my dog is my time, well our time.

[thatmutt.com image 653x393]
My little Chocolate Lab / Pit Bull mix loves those 2 - 3 mile runs , any more than that and she just sits down and gives me the "Dad, I'm done with this." look.

She's been my running partner since i stopped abusing myself with fast food, pizza and endless oceans of chemicals (alcohol or otherwise) that was killing me. I'm not a marathoner yet (i'm catching up to my brother...he just finished his first Iron Man) - just a fitness runner who really loves getting out with his puppy for a quiet moment in my head. It's certainly a lot more peaceful in here since i started doing this.

So.... you're a "dad" with tits


Picture is not of me (probably should have said that) - the dog just kinda looks like mine.
 
2013-01-07 12:48:13 PM
I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me
 
2013-01-07 12:49:39 PM

coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?


Yes, essentially. I still drink, but when I'm exercising regularly I have no trouble keeping it under control. When I'm not, well... it's still *mostly* under control. Mostly.
 
2013-01-07 12:50:15 PM

dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me


Stay safe and sober (to the extent that you can), dickfreckle.
 
2013-01-07 12:51:08 PM
Pub crawling is great for the Pecs and Triceps. Glutes, too!
 
2013-01-07 12:51:50 PM
The Irresponsible Captain: "They could at least encourage something useful for the new addiction, like categorizing insects or lichens at a museum."

Those are things that even sober people get drunk to do.
 
2013-01-07 12:52:12 PM
we've had drunks with running problems for a long time around here.
 
2013-01-07 12:52:14 PM

dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me


Good luck, seriously.
 
2013-01-07 12:54:13 PM
I drink because I find most people to be unbearable - PARTICULARLY runners.
 
2013-01-07 12:54:46 PM

dickfreckle: and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort.


What's sad is I don't fall off stools after 1,565 drinks. That's when you know it's time to let a doctor oversee the whole mess.
 
2013-01-07 12:56:11 PM
It is replacing one addiction with another.

I ran cross-country in High School and quickly became addicted to running and that life style. It seems like a good thing but it was killing me on many levels. Many of my relationships fell apart because I spent more time out running than doing almost anything else.

Thankfully, I was able to slow and eventually stop this horrid addiction through the use of alcohol. I now make it a point to drink when I feel the urge to do any type of exercise....I am a much better person for it.
 
2013-01-07 12:56:30 PM
Btw, with my "replace one addiction with another", I'm not being judgmental. I'm of the "whatever gets you through the day sober and happy" school.
 
2013-01-07 12:58:56 PM

codenamewizard: It is replacing one addiction with another.

I ran cross-country in High School and quickly became addicted to running and that life style. It seems like a good thing but it was killing me on many levels. Many of my relationships fell apart because I spent more time out running than doing almost anything else.

Thankfully, I was able to slow and eventually stop this horrid addiction through the use of alcohol. I now make it a point to drink when I feel the urge to do any type of exercise....I am a much better person for it.


Heh.
 
2013-01-07 12:59:14 PM

coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?


Yeah, those runners. What a bunch of farkin' scumbags, am I right?
 
2013-01-07 01:00:01 PM
coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?

Yup. People who become alcoholics generally have addictive personalities - they will become addicted to something. AA gets them into God. I think getting them into running is healthier physically, mentally and relationship wise.
 
2013-01-07 01:01:32 PM

wingding: coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?

Yes


That will Fixx it.
 
2013-01-07 01:07:09 PM
i3.ytimg.com

i ran to windsor

/probably obscure for regular americans
 
2013-01-07 01:09:09 PM

coco ebert: dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me

Stay safe and sober (to the extent that you can), dickfreckle.


Thanks, Coco. Again, I'm a functioning retard and not a drunken menace to the streets - which is what I aim to avoid. But I do wake up and have beers or shots before going about my business. I don't even feel the effects of the drink(s) because that's how far I'm gone - you just wake up and use the addiction to attain a semblance of normalcy. That's when you know you're farked.

 I can't let that devolve into full-on crazy. I am an alcoholic, but I'm not living the rest of my life this way.

Pride. It means something.
 
2013-01-07 01:13:35 PM

coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?


Exactly. Running>religion.
 
2013-01-07 01:14:39 PM

coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?


Exactly. Addictive personalities need something. Running works for wankers. Cycling is better on the knees and gives the same endorphin high. Plus cycling can get you to and from work so you save gas as well.
 
2013-01-07 01:14:45 PM

dickfreckle: coco ebert: dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me

Stay safe and sober (to the extent that you can), dickfreckle.

Thanks, Coco. Again, I'm a functioning retard and not a drunken menace to the streets - which is what I aim to avoid. But I do wake up and have beers or shots before going about my business. I don't even feel the effects of the drink(s) because that's how far I'm gone - you just wake up and use the addiction to attain a semblance of normalcy. That's when you know you're farked.

 I can't let that devolve into full-on crazy. I am an alcoholic, but I'm not living the rest of my life this way.

Pride. It means something.


rationalrecovery.org
 
2013-01-07 01:19:39 PM
I was formerly drunk (last night) and running sounds like the last thing I want to do right now.
 
2013-01-07 01:20:08 PM

dickfreckle: coco ebert: dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me

Stay safe and sober (to the extent that you can), dickfreckle.

Thanks, Coco. Again, I'm a functioning retard and not a drunken menace to the streets - which is what I aim to avoid. But I do wake up and have beers or shots before going about my business. I don't even feel the effects of the drink(s) because that's how far I'm gone - you just wake up and use the addiction to attain a semblance of normalcy. That's when you know you're farked.

 I can't let that devolve into full-on crazy. I am an alcoholic, but I'm not living the rest of my life this way.

Pride. It means something.


Got a friend at this stage. A 1750 of booze every two-three days, plus a six of beer per day and a bottle of wine per day. Sad. Declines invites to go out. Smokes two packs a day. He's too arrogant to admit he's a completely different person than he used to be.

Good luck! You have taken one huge step toward changing your ways. Admitting your situation. Keep going! All this shiat will be in your rearview mirror soon.
 
2013-01-07 01:21:18 PM

NotARocketScientist: coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?
Yup. People who become alcoholics generally have addictive personalities - they will become addicted to something. AA gets them into God. I think getting them into running is healthier physically, mentally and relationship wise.


*sigh*. I went to AA for over a year. Probably saved my life. I never "got into God", I never felt pressured to pray, or turn my life over to God, or attend church, or whatever else you non-AA people keep blithering about. Please stop repeating this crap. And how the fark would any of you know, anyway? You are not an addict, you have never been a member of AA, and you don't understand how the simplistic phrases are just a framework to work from--they're not a rule book.

When you're killing yourself with some substance, have no money, you've lost your friends and probably your family, your brain is fried, and you're sick and tired and feel bad all over--AA looks pretty farking good, God or no God.

Or you can just keep repeating this horseshiat, so that maybe some poor drunk who reads Fark will blow his head off instead of going to AA, because he might be exposed to GOD.
 
2013-01-07 01:21:18 PM

ghare: rationalrecovery.org


wat
 
2013-01-07 01:21:39 PM
Sometimes I worry about my drinking, then I read something like this and feel fine about drinking half a bottle of rum a few times a month.
 
2013-01-07 01:21:43 PM

Smeggy Smurf: coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?

Exactly. Addictive personalities need something. Running works for wankers. Cycling is better on the knees and gives the same endorphin high. Plus cycling can get you to and from work so you save gas as well.


Running can also get you to and from work, unless you're a pansy-ass cyclist who can't run very far. ;)

Seriously, as a runner this is a weird article. I don't really think I'm addicted to running and I've never been an alcoholic. I guess if you have addictive tendencies you'll end up addicted to something, and if not you probably won't?
 
2013-01-07 01:23:44 PM

dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me


Get a doctor to prescribe you naltrexone. Take it an hour before you drink (or, if you're drinking all the time, take it at the same time every day, before the heaviest drinking). Be amazed as your brain unlearns its addiction.
 
2013-01-07 01:25:31 PM
I need a beer.
 
2013-01-07 01:29:40 PM

dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me


try weed
 
2013-01-07 01:29:46 PM

Pinner: Got a friend at this stage. A 1750 of booze every two-three days, plus a six of beer per day and a bottle of wine per day. Sad. Declines invites to go out. Smokes two packs a day. He's too arrogant to admit he's a completely different person than he used to be.


Thanks, bro or sis. I think your friend drinks slightly more than I do, but it's close, Would you like me to come over and maybe smack him around a bit? Hell, he and I can hold hands on the way to rehab, which is likely because we'll be cuffed together...

/I'm just waiting on a bed, and yes, I will be fine
//The worst, but not the first adversity faced
///now I have to quit Marlboros, which means I'm killing all of you :)
 
2013-01-07 01:32:31 PM

dickfreckle: coco ebert: dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me

Stay safe and sober (to the extent that you can), dickfreckle.

Thanks, Coco. Again, I'm a functioning retard and not a drunken menace to the streets - which is what I aim to avoid. But I do wake up and have beers or shots before going about my business. I don't even feel the effects of the drink(s) because that's how far I'm gone - you just wake up and use the addiction to attain a semblance of normalcy. That's when you know you're farked.

 I can't let that devolve into full-on crazy. I am an alcoholic, but I'm not living the rest of my life this way.

Pride. It means something.


While I never quite fell to the "wake up and drink" level, I was drinking every night and waking up feeling like crap. By your mid 30s that catches up to you. I started running nearly every day just to get in shape and found that it really does replace drinking. I wasn't going to undo all the work I did running by ingesting 1000 calories of booze and I didn't want to feel like garbage tomorrow when I had to run again, so why drink in the first place? If I opened one beer I was going to keep going till the fridge was empty. I know not everybody drinks like that, but that was what I fell into and couldn't stop.

Best of luck to you.
 
2013-01-07 01:32:53 PM
Marathoners have addictive personalities. Not news.

My old gym in a gritty blue-collar neighborhood used to be full of ex-addicts and cons trying to stay straight by training/powerlifting. It was a serious place where only serious people went. No lycra, no glamour, just seriously strong people working their asses off to stay off the needle and out of jail. I loved that place. Would take it over Golds/Bally/etc anyday.
 
2013-01-07 01:34:48 PM

inner ted: try weed


Believe it or not, that's the plan. I want to quit drinking to avoid health problems, not to avoid having a good time.

Bonus: I already have a guy. Can't really do narcotics (for similar reasons) but I can smoke the sh*t out of some weed.
 
2013-01-07 01:38:52 PM

cefm: Marathoners have addictive personalities. Not news.

My old gym in a gritty blue-collar neighborhood used to be full of ex-addicts and cons trying to stay straight by training/powerlifting. It was a serious place where only serious people went. No lycra, no glamour, just seriously strong people working their asses off to stay off the needle and out of jail. I loved that place. Would take it over Golds/Bally/etc anyday.


Yeah, I don't get the people who pass off stuff like this as "trading one addiction for another".

It is about taking control of your life.
 
2013-01-07 01:39:44 PM

dickfreckle: inner ted: try weed

Believe it or not, that's the plan. I want to quit drinking to avoid health problems, not to avoid having a good time.

Bonus: I already have a guy. Can't really do narcotics (for similar reasons) but I can smoke the sh*t out of some weed.


But its hard to run when you're smoking weed! Aren't we talking about running?
 
2013-01-07 01:43:59 PM
I wonder what the failure/dropout rate is for people who attempt or do marathons semi-regularly (or ultimates) vs more fitness minded "general" running of 3-10 miles 3-5 times per week. (i.e. no "training" periods).


I'd wager that like most pursuits, when chases single-mindedly it gets old. Burning out, as it were.
 
2013-01-07 01:44:31 PM
Why be a runner when there's renewal?
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2013-01-07 01:45:59 PM

cryinoutloud: NotARocketScientist: coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?
Yup. People who become alcoholics generally have addictive personalities - they will become addicted to something. AA gets them into God. I think getting them into running is healthier physically, mentally and relationship wise.

*sigh*. I went to AA for over a year. Probably saved my life. I never "got into God", I never felt pressured to pray, or turn my life over to God, or attend church, or whatever else you non-AA people keep blithering about. Please stop repeating this crap. And how the fark would any of you know, anyway? You are not an addict, you have never been a member of AA, and you don't understand how the simplistic phrases are just a framework to work from--they're not a rule book.

When you're killing yourself with some substance, have no money, you've lost your friends and probably your family, your brain is fried, and you're sick and tired and feel bad all over--AA looks pretty farking good, God or no God.

Or you can just keep repeating this horseshiat, so that maybe some poor drunk who reads Fark will blow his head off instead of going to AA, because he might be exposed to GOD.


In my experience AA meetings start or end with a prayer, if not both.
 
2013-01-07 01:48:09 PM

wildcardjack: rum


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Had to buy some milk for my Czech Kolac I was baking this weekend; don't really drink milk so had to do something with the remainder.... made eggnog with Kraken. Farkin' nummy.
 
2013-01-07 01:54:29 PM
Binge drinking and long-distance running can result in the same thing: crapping your pants.
 
2013-01-07 01:54:44 PM
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2013-01-07 01:58:44 PM

dickfreckle: coco ebert: dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me

Stay safe and sober (to the extent that you can), dickfreckle.

Thanks, Coco. Again, I'm a functioning retard and not a drunken menace to the streets - which is what I aim to avoid. But I do wake up and have beers or shots before going about my business. I don't even feel the effects of the drink(s) because that's how far I'm gone - you just wake up and use the addiction to attain a semblance of normalcy. That's when you know you're farked.

 I can't let that devolve into full-on crazy. I am an alcoholic, but I'm not living the rest of my life this way.

Pride. It means something.


Hey, you don't have to take the elevator all the way down, as they say, and I want to stop before it gets bad too... Right now, I'm in the middle of 90 meetings in 90 days, so I'm getting a kick, etc..
 
2013-01-07 01:59:44 PM

dickfreckle: inner ted: try weed

Believe it or not, that's the plan. I want to quit drinking to avoid health problems, not to avoid having a good time.

Bonus: I already have a guy. Can't really do narcotics (for similar reasons) but I can smoke the sh*t out of some weed.


glad you get that i wasn't joking

i'm no expert, but i can play one on the interwebz - if the herb can relieve the pain & misery (or some of it) from cancer patients, i'm confident it would ease your bumpy road ahead.

csb
buddy of mine's old man was a junkie for a long while - only way he kicked it was with a whole metric shiat ton of grass. was still a mess, but a far sight from "normal" junkie detox.
csb/

& yes, it may be trading one for another, but i honestly think weed is a whole lot nicer on your body than booze.
 
2013-01-07 02:00:47 PM

Pinner: Expolaris: Elzar: alone

I love that alone time. I lead a very busy life with a lot of people who enjoy having me in it - that being said my few hours a week out running with my dog is my time, well our time.

[thatmutt.com image 653x393]
My little Chocolate Lab / Pit Bull mix loves those 2 - 3 mile runs , any more than that and she just sits down and gives me the "Dad, I'm done with this." look.

She's been my running partner since i stopped abusing myself with fast food, pizza and endless oceans of chemicals (alcohol or otherwise) that was killing me. I'm not a marathoner yet (i'm catching up to my brother...he just finished his first Iron Man) - just a fitness runner who really loves getting out with his puppy for a quiet moment in my head. It's certainly a lot more peaceful in here since i started doing this.

So.... you're a "dad" with tits


I'm glad I read at least one post down before posting the exact thing.
 
2013-01-07 02:01:07 PM

John Redcorn: dickfreckle: inner ted: try weed

Believe it or not, that's the plan. I want to quit drinking to avoid health problems, not to avoid having a good time.

Bonus: I already have a guy. Can't really do narcotics (for similar reasons) but I can smoke the sh*t out of some weed.

But its hard to run when you're smoking weed! Aren't we talking about running?


protip: you can also eat weed

keeps the lungs clear as a bell
 
2013-01-07 02:06:11 PM

dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me


I'm a heavy drinker. i'm 36, and hangovers require Xanax most of the time just to get my head straight. I can feel the age of my body. it's got to cut down.

A little piece of advice? Ride 25 miles a day on your bike. It's great cardio, it takes up a couple hours, its fun (mental time alone). It wears you out nicely and even though you might want to throw a drink or 4 later, I find that my cravings are not NEARLY as strong. Maybe it's the endorphins. I don't know and I don't care. I need my better weather back so i don't die from this cold weather binge i'm currently on.
 
2013-01-07 02:07:36 PM

Expolaris: Elzar: alone

I love that alone time. I lead a very busy life with a lot of people who enjoy having me in it - that being said my few hours a week out running with my dog is my time, well our time.

[thatmutt.com image 653x393]
My little Chocolate Lab / Pit Bull mix loves those 2 - 3 mile runs , any more than that and she just sits down and gives me the "Dad, I'm done with this." look.

She's been my running partner since i stopped abusing myself with fast food, pizza and endless oceans of chemicals (alcohol or otherwise) that was killing me. I'm not a marathoner yet (i'm catching up to my brother...he just finished his first Iron Man) - just a fitness runner who really loves getting out with his puppy for a quiet moment in my head. It's certainly a lot more peaceful in here since i started doing this.


Awesome.
Another person who will not be contributing to the increase cost of health care.
High five sister

//raced on Saturday, ran 12 on Sunday, 6 this morning before work.
 
2013-01-07 02:12:11 PM

dickfreckle: Pinner: Got a friend at this stage. A 1750 of booze every two-three days, plus a six of beer per day and a bottle of wine per day. Sad. Declines invites to go out. Smokes two packs a day. He's too arrogant to admit he's a completely different person than he used to be.

Thanks, bro or sis. I think your friend drinks slightly more than I do, but it's close, Would you like me to come over and maybe smack him around a bit? Hell, he and I can hold hands on the way to rehab, which is likely because we'll be cuffed together...

/I'm just waiting on a bed, and yes, I will be fine
//The worst, but not the first adversity faced
///now I have to quit Marlboros, which means I'm killing all of you :)


I have been to rehab three times. It is hard. I've been addicted to most everything, but alcohol has been my drug of choice/mainstay. Anyhow, I understand the problems finding a bed and whatnot. Good luck to you, bro.
 
2013-01-07 02:12:40 PM
I'm not an alcoholic, but I felt like I was starting to get there. Over the past 2 years it progressed to the point where I'd look forward to the end of the workday so I could go home and drink at least 3 times a week, usually by myself. My tolerance shot way up; I don't "feel" tipsy if I've eaten a meal, so I'd either drink even more or skip eating in order to maintain inebriation.

I won't quit drinking altogether, but resolved to cut back severely. My goal is to re-establish drinking as a social activity, in that I will drink when getting together with friends and family, but try to keep it to a minimum when I'm at home. I'm also trying to replace it with better habits like running, skiing and learning to play guitar. Basically trying to find ways to keep busy so I don't feel bored and grab a bottle. And no more picking up a couple of 40 oz. on the way home!
 
2013-01-07 02:15:11 PM

chitownmike: cryinoutloud: NotARocketScientist: coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?
Yup. People who become alcoholics generally have addictive personalities - they will become addicted to something. AA gets them into God. I think getting them into running is healthier physically, mentally and relationship wise.

*sigh*. I went to AA for over a year. Probably saved my life. I never "got into God", I never felt pressured to pray, or turn my life over to God, or attend church, or whatever else you non-AA people keep blithering about. Please stop repeating this crap. And how the fark would any of you know, anyway? You are not an addict, you have never been a member of AA, and you don't understand how the simplistic phrases are just a framework to work from--they're not a rule book.

When you're killing yourself with some substance, have no money, you've lost your friends and probably your family, your brain is fried, and you're sick and tired and feel bad all over--AA looks pretty farking good, God or no God.

Or you can just keep repeating this horseshiat, so that maybe some poor drunk who reads Fark will blow his head off instead of going to AA, because he might be exposed to GOD.

In my experience AA meetings start or end with a prayer, if not both.


Usually both, neither of which you are forced to participate in. Also, substitute "prayer" for "meditation". Its all semantics.
 
2013-01-07 02:20:28 PM
I used college.
Lets chat about endurance.


Yeah, later in life, so what . . .
 
2013-01-07 02:22:00 PM

dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me


Last time I was in a Bar pounding down glasses of Loud Mouth, my buddy ask me if I would ever quit drinking.

I said said, " Yeah, when I look as bad as those two lushes over there."

He said," Dude, that's a mirror."

But seriously, Rehab is for quitters.

But seriously, you know how I used to say Vodka has my number? Now it has me on speed dial.

DickFreckle, go watch the Mickey Mantle story. It's a Big Leaguer telling it straight.
 
2013-01-07 02:30:26 PM
After tonight, I'm not gonna drink any more. Unless I'm either by myself or with somebody.

/obscure?
 
2013-01-07 02:44:01 PM

Buttknuckle: chitownmike: cryinoutloud: NotARocketScientist: coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?
Yup. People who become alcoholics generally have addictive personalities - they will become addicted to something. AA gets them into God. I think getting them into running is healthier physically, mentally and relationship wise.

*sigh*. I went to AA for over a year. Probably saved my life. I never "got into God", I never felt pressured to pray, or turn my life over to God, or attend church, or whatever else you non-AA people keep blithering about. Please stop repeating this crap. And how the fark would any of you know, anyway? You are not an addict, you have never been a member of AA, and you don't understand how the simplistic phrases are just a framework to work from--they're not a rule book.

When you're killing yourself with some substance, have no money, you've lost your friends and probably your family, your brain is fried, and you're sick and tired and feel bad all over--AA looks pretty farking good, God or no God.

Or you can just keep repeating this horseshiat, so that maybe some poor drunk who reads Fark will blow his head off instead of going to AA, because he might be exposed to GOD.

In my experience AA meetings start or end with a prayer, if not both.

Usually both, neither of which you are forced to participate in. Also, substitute "prayer" for "meditation". Its all semantics.


By that reasoning going to a Baptist church is the same as going to a Budist temple. If it works for you great but I won't ever see the inside of an AA meeting ever again
/court ordered
//15 years ago
 
2013-01-07 03:05:03 PM

kaldec: Former? I manage both quite well, and my local hash kennel gives me plenty of practice.


On On!
 
2013-01-07 03:08:08 PM
Of course they are, they've replaced their alcohol addiction with a running addiction.
 
2013-01-07 03:10:33 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: After tonight, I'm not gonna drink any more. Unless I'm either by myself or with somebody.

/obscure?


I quit drinking. At least twice a day.
 
2013-01-07 03:28:05 PM
FTFA: Plus, you're used to the performance anxiety of just being awake, so you won't be so fazed by the starting-line jitters.

lololol
 
2013-01-07 03:46:07 PM
Great article. This line persuaded me to have a beer. Nice work Salon!

"You know how to keep your eye on the prize. You've gutted out hangovers and sweated through anxiety-ridden mornings-all while trying to ignore the song of that first cool sip, the delicious sigh waiting in the cooler case or kitchen cabinet or bartender's hand. Just get to noon, to 1 pm, to the somewhat respectable hour of 3 pm "

/Heres to me! Cheers!!
//Have asthma anyway, you guys can enjoy your runs though!
 
2013-01-07 05:18:26 PM

coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?


Yup, but I don't see that as a bad thing.  I started running about the same time I got sober in 2010.  I doubt I could have stayed sober without it.  The article describes pretty accurately how my mal-adaptive psychology made me into a better (or at least more obsessive) runner.
 
2013-01-07 05:34:09 PM

dickfreckle: inner ted: try weed

Believe it or not, that's the plan. I want to quit drinking to avoid health problems, not to avoid having a good time.

Bonus: I already have a guy. Can't really do narcotics (for similar reasons) but I can smoke the sh*t out of some weed.


Good plan. It helped me quit drinking for a year and then go back to drinking like a human instead of a fiend. Yer probably also going to want to figure out what drinking does for you and then find a better way to do that. Exercise isn't a bad part of that process either.

But stay the fark away from AA. For the first couple months it was OK, mostly it helped being around other people who had gone what I was going through. But the 12 steps and the powerlessness crap are all nothing but a one-way ticket to a life of misery. I realized I did not want to be a glassy-eyed creep like most of the old-timers were (or a suicide like a few others) and got out after just a few months. I think that move is what really saved my life.
 
2013-01-07 05:34:10 PM

OneFretAway: coco ebert: So, replace one addiction with another?

Yup, but I don't see that as a bad thing.  I started running about the same time I got sober in 2010.  I doubt I could have stayed sober without it.  The article describes pretty accurately how my mal-adaptive psychology made me into a better (or at least more obsessive) runner.


I don't think it's bad either, actually. Whatever works! Congrats.
 
2013-01-07 05:37:25 PM
That is an incredibly insensitive article. It bears the guise of stern compassion between lines of overt humiliation and outright mockery. It would be a cruel joke to expose this to someone who really does have a problem (and knows it, I don't mean 24/7 party people, or revolving psych ward subjects, I mean serious alcoholics; those of us who have had family or friends fitting the clinical diagnosis know it takes years of hellish torment, undue burdens, therapy, medications, and genuine love and compassion to see them take the right path).

I don't care if this guy's intentions were well and good, or what his life experiences may have been. My experience is that if you talk to a penitent addict the way his article comes across, you're more likely to have a suicide on your hands than a newly sober marathon runner.
 
2013-01-07 05:50:30 PM

xkillyourfacex: My experience is that if you talk to a penitent addict the way his article comes across, you're more likely to have a suicide on your hands than a newly sober marathon runner.


I don't know about that. The suicides attempts I saw during my brief time in AA were by people who had accepted the notion of "penitence" far too seriously. If you want to avoid the suicide route, the whole sin-redemption mess has to be tossed out the window, and the problem seen as a practical matter - How do I stop being dependent on this substance for a feeling of well being? This leads to practical answers like - I find the best ways to build up my self so that I can withstand the ups and downs of life without debilitating chemical assistance. Exercise is a good part of that strategy.

The article is a little snarky, but some of it's not all that bad. Certainly a lot better than the crap you'll hear in AA.
 
2013-01-07 05:57:25 PM

punkhippie: I don't know about that. The suicides attempts I saw during my brief time in AA were by people who had accepted the notion of "penitence" far too seriously. If you want to avoid the suicide route, the whole sin-redemption mess has to be tossed out the window, and the problem seen as a practical matter - How do I stop being dependent on this substance for a feeling of well being? This leads to practical answers like - I find the best ways to build up my self so that I can withstand the ups and downs of life without debilitating chemical assistance. Exercise is a good part of that strategy.


I guess regret would have been a better word. I didn't mean penitent in the way or religion. I mean motivated to change from the worse to the better.

In my area, statistics at the mental health center claim a strategy consisting solely on personal reliance measures results in less than 10% of resolution of pathological substance abuse, and a high rate of emergence of additional medical problems in those people. Perhaps it is healthy to integrate exercise in a course of treatment, but the truth is you get about 80% resolution using a combination of therapy and medications.
 
2013-01-07 06:12:38 PM
You know, i have read several of these posts that blast the AA.
The posts go on about prayer services and brain washing you, and having meetings all the time.
From my own personal experience, I made the call one night, when I needed it most,
and lo and behold,
the yellow truck showed up and gave me a jump, and i was on my way.

/cheers to the AA
 
2013-01-07 07:00:34 PM
Worked for Joe Strummer.
 
2013-01-07 07:05:25 PM

Pinner: dickfreckle: coco ebert: dickfreckle: I'm an alcoholic desperately trying to get into a medical detox that has a bed or is affordable - so I'm getting a kick, etc... My city is notorious for booze but can't be arsed to aid those without extremely expensive insurance.

/the trick to this is doing it before rock-bottom forces you to
//am still drinking, and I'm not a fall-off-bar-stool sort. But damn, it has to stop before it kills me

Stay safe and sober (to the extent that you can), dickfreckle.

Thanks, Coco. Again, I'm a functioning retard and not a drunken menace to the streets - which is what I aim to avoid. But I do wake up and have beers or shots before going about my business. I don't even feel the effects of the drink(s) because that's how far I'm gone - you just wake up and use the addiction to attain a semblance of normalcy. That's when you know you're farked.

 I can't let that devolve into full-on crazy. I am an alcoholic, but I'm not living the rest of my life this way.

Pride. It means something.

Got a friend at this stage. A 1750 of booze every two-three days, plus a six of beer per day and a bottle of wine per day. Sad. Declines invites to go out. Smokes two packs a day. He's too arrogant to admit he's a completely different person than he used to be.

Good luck! You have taken one huge step toward changing your ways. Admitting your situation. Keep going! All this shiat will be in your rearview mirror soon.


Your friend probably isn't too "arrogant" to admit it. He knows, trust me. "Stubborn" is the word you're looking for. And while I don't drink quite as much as you depict your friend as doing, I can tell you that many alcoholics who decline social invites do it because they're too emotionally far gone to appear in public. Not drunkenness. They're not harming anyone. They simply want to be left to their cocoon.

We're not freaks. We're just dealing with our own personal hell.

It is sad for your friends, though. I get calls or texts every day asking me to join people for dinner or whatever and I just shrug them off. Especially sad when you were known as an outgoing sort.
 
2013-01-07 07:21:29 PM
If you listen to the Blues and it gives you the Blues,
this might not be for you.

BootLiquor FM
Here is a great Radio station for all your drinking tunes.
 
2013-01-07 09:17:02 PM

Pinner: Expolaris: Elzar: alone

I love that alone time. I lead a very busy life with a lot of people who enjoy having me in it - that being said my few hours a week out running with my dog is my time, well our time.

[thatmutt.com image 653x393]
My little Chocolate Lab / Pit Bull mix loves those 2 - 3 mile runs , any more than that and she just sits down and gives me the "Dad, I'm done with this." look.

She's been my running partner since i stopped abusing myself with fast food, pizza and endless oceans of chemicals (alcohol or otherwise) that was killing me. I'm not a marathoner yet (i'm catching up to my brother...he just finished his first Iron Man) - just a fitness runner who really loves getting out with his puppy for a quiet moment in my head. It's certainly a lot more peaceful in here since i started doing this.

So.... you're a "dad" with tits


You, sir, owe me a new tablet.
 
2013-01-08 02:28:08 AM

CarnySaur: Binge drinking and long-distance running can result in the same thing: crapping your pants.


Thus the Hash was born

/down down
 
2013-01-08 06:12:00 PM

Smeggy Smurf: CarnySaur: Binge drinking and long-distance running can result in the same thing: crapping your pants.

Thus the Hash was born

/down down


On-on.

...damn cold weather.
 
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