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(Worldcrunch)   Welcome to the quiet Romanian town of Râmnicu Vâlcea, perhaps better-known as "The House That Fraud Built"; unofficial anthem "We Built This City On Fraud & Woe" still pending. Don't fret the price of admission, as you've probably already paid   (worldcrunch.com) divider line 46
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2013-01-07 11:46:47 AM  
I wanted more from that article. Fascinating.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-07 12:29:01 PM  
Râmnicu Vâlcea

Never trust letters that need to wear hats to disguise their identity.
 
2013-01-07 12:49:43 PM  

ZAZ: Râmnicu Vâlcea

Never trust letters that need to wear hats to disguise their identity.


+1 for the lolz

And I must point out that fraud is responsible and/or endemic for a lot of establishments, for instance:

editorial.equities.com
 
2013-01-07 12:50:18 PM  
Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves
 
2013-01-07 12:50:27 PM  
I have a feeling that after the utter, Best-Korea-like economic shambles of the "Communist" era, Romania got off to an almost irredeemably bad start being "free". I heard that whole families were basically living in the streets making a living off of crime and begging, and I'm sure that thousands of emotionally and morally stunted adults emerged from the sterile orphanages that were Ceaucescu's legacy. And I doubt there's much money to be made there in legitimate hard work. So yeah I'm not surprised that internet scamming is big business there.
 
2013-01-07 01:01:59 PM  
I don't care who goes to that kind of place.
 
2013-01-07 01:07:02 PM  
Maybe we should "accidentally" drop a nuke there. Seems like one well-placed one would do the trick.


/// just saying.
 
2013-01-07 01:11:11 PM  
The FBI needs to send Vampire and Zombie counter-hacker troops in -- just in time for the movie trailer.
 
2013-01-07 01:12:29 PM  

bucket_pup: Maybe we should "accidentally" drop a nuke there. Seems like one well-placed one would do the trick.


/// just saying.


I'd endorse a fast-moving expeditionary force composed of US Marines . Just in case they have crude oil. Ya'll.
 
2013-01-07 01:13:28 PM  
static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-01-07 01:14:08 PM  

coco ebert: I wanted more from that article. Fascinating.


You could read this much longer January 31, 2011 Wired article: "How a Remote Town in Romania Has Become Cybercrime Central".

// didn't check if TFA was criminally ripped of from the Wired article.
 
2013-01-07 01:14:34 PM  
One peacekeeper missile could fix all this.
 
2013-01-07 01:22:29 PM  
I s that a metal hat that building in the photo is wearing?
 
2013-01-07 01:22:39 PM  
Fark you subby for making me think of that song.
 
2013-01-07 01:24:25 PM  
That's where my girlfriend, Peggy lives.
She does tech support.
She used to be a French Model, in Canada.
You wouldn't know her.
 
2013-01-07 01:25:47 PM  

HairBolus: coco ebert: I wanted more from that article. Fascinating.

You could read this much longer January 31, 2011 Wired article: "How a Remote Town in Romania Has Become Cybercrime Central".

// didn't check if TFA was criminally ripped of from the Wired article.


Doesn't seem to be a ripoff but I only skimmed the Wired article.

Very interesting.
 
2013-01-07 01:30:23 PM  
It was this guy wasn't it
profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-07 01:31:01 PM  

vudukungfu: That's where my girlfriend, Peggy lives.
She does tech support.
She used to be a French Model, in Canada.
You wouldn't know her.


I wondered what happened after she broke up with Al. She must be pretty droopy by now, I'd imagine?
 
2013-01-07 01:31:36 PM  
In the late 80s there was a big push towards computer science by the communist regime. I know that because starting in 1st grade I had the opportunity to go to computer classes every day in the afternoon for 2-3 hours to learn programming.

I left the country when I was 12 in the 90s but people kept pushing computer science even after the communist regime. Fast forward 10 years and you have a lot of kids that know programming very well (highschools and colleges were geared for that) and no jobs for most of them. Romanian is the second most spoken language at Microsoft so that should tell you something about the quality of programmers from that area.

Of course, not everyone could leave the country and find good paying jobs in the West and the allure of dollars for 16-18 year olds is too much especially when all they have to do is sit behind a computer.

One of the scams in the 90s was using mail order catalogues like Eastbay. Steal credit card numbers, order a ton of merchandise shipped to addresses in US or Europe and then forward the merchandise to Romania to sell.
 
2013-01-07 01:35:06 PM  
http://www.absoluteitsolutions.com/romania.php

More info about the quality of IT workers in Romania.
 
2013-01-07 01:35:08 PM  

fappomatic: bucket_pup: Maybe we should "accidentally" drop a nuke there. Seems like one well-placed one would do the trick.


/// just saying.

I'd endorse a fast-moving expeditionary force composed of US Marines . Just in case they have crude oil. Ya'll.


I think Romania has a real army, so I'm thinking that would end in gypsies and fail.

Mmmm, from watching the history channel, I know Hitler got oil from Romania, so they have that as well.
 
2013-01-07 01:36:34 PM  
I have been to Romania twice (under Ceausescu) and found it the most corrupt country I have ever been to. It makes Nigeria look like Switzerland. That said if you know how to work the corruption it can be a great place.To think the fall of communism eradicates corruption is the most absurd notion I have ever heard. Corruption existed long before Marx, Lenin, or Mao.
 
2013-01-07 01:39:23 PM  

spawn73: fappomatic: bucket_pup: Maybe we should "accidentally" drop a nuke there. Seems like one well-placed one would do the trick.


/// just saying.

I'd endorse a fast-moving expeditionary force composed of US Marines . Just in case they have crude oil. Ya'll.

I think Romania has a real army, so I'm thinking that would end in gypsies and fail.

Mmmm, from watching the history channel, I know Hitler got oil from Romania, so they have that as well.


Romania was on the side of the Axis till Aug 23rd 1944. At the time Romania was ruled by a political party that was more right wing than the Nazis (if you can believe that). Germany actually told Romania to slow down the killings of jews and gypsies. Link
 
2013-01-07 01:41:08 PM  
paradiseintheworld.com
 
2013-01-07 01:42:23 PM  
but their contribution to our salads and as a base for other ingredients shall never be forgotten
 
2013-01-07 01:43:22 PM  

Kludge: [paradiseintheworld.com image 850x637]


Eastern europe is best europe

/at least in this category, lol
 
2013-01-07 01:44:41 PM  
This is one town that needs to have their Internet cables cut and pronto!

///Should be relatively easy once you know where the telecommunication cables running into town are located
 
2013-01-07 01:46:46 PM  
Interesting that one of the world's top pieces of antivirus software comes from... wait for it... guess where?

http://www.bitdefender.com.au/news/microsoft-recognizes-the-competenc e -of-the-romanian-antivirus-experts-25.html
 
2013-01-07 01:47:45 PM  
Cyberwar is crime is the future might as well get used to it.

And to all you sheep wanting a "free and open" internet, where's you god now? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
 
2013-01-07 01:54:23 PM  
I did a paper on the conficker virus for my computer security class for my MBA, I looked at it from an economic and legal point of view instead of technical.

I did some calculations that even if they rented out the Conficker botnet for pennies a computer they made something like 20 times the average yearly Romanian wage. (Can't remember the exact numbers and at work right now so I can't pull it up).

Romania doesn't have extradition treaties with the US, so as long as they don't commit a computer crime against a Romanian citizen they have no fear of being arrested.

Win-Win situation.

/Is it just me or do all previously communist countries corrupt as all hell?
 
2013-01-07 02:06:06 PM  

foxyshadis: She must be pretty droopy by now, I'd imagine?


Well, she said to say "hello, all you happy people"
Does that answer your question?
 
2013-01-07 02:06:59 PM  
It's not their money. That's why Romanians go all in on every farking hand in online poker.

/hate playing those guys.
 
2013-01-07 02:13:14 PM  

Kludge:


Came to point out that every Romanian girl I've met (three or four now) were smokin' hot.

Just saying.

Thanks Kludge (excellent handle, BTW)...
 
2013-01-07 02:31:53 PM  

Sgt.Zim: Kludge:
Came to point out that every Romanian girl I've met (three or four now) were smokin' hot.
Just saying.
Thanks Kludge (excellent handle, BTW)...


Would have to agree.  There's .  .  .  something.

indefinable
 
2013-01-07 02:32:49 PM  

Buttbone McGillicutty: Fark you subby for making me think of that song.


All part of the service!
 
2013-01-07 02:45:11 PM  

shortymac: I did a paper on the conficker virus for my computer security class for my MBA, I looked at it from an economic and legal point of view instead of technical.

I did some calculations that even if they rented out the Conficker botnet for pennies a computer they made something like 20 times the average yearly Romanian wage. (Can't remember the exact numbers and at work right now so I can't pull it up).


Heck, you can contract out other parts of the operation too: Don't have a network of mules to transfer funds back to Europe? You can hire them. Can't code? You can buy a kit to run on your rented botnet. Just get anything you need at an online marketplace. It's an amazing (and often scary) industry.


/Is it just me or do all previously communist countries corrupt as all hell?


In a highly authoritarian/bureaucratic state, corruption is seen as the only way to get ahead, or simply avoid being a victim of circumstances. It is seen as simply survival skills. Even in US culture, we regard a person's ability to "cut through red tape" as a good thing. This is just the extreme version of that mindset.
 
2013-01-07 02:47:45 PM  

dryknife: Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves


No no no you got it all wrong. It's Gypsies' Chimpanzees.
 
2013-01-07 02:56:18 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Kludge: [paradiseintheworld.com image 850x637]

Eastern europe is best europe

/at least in this category, lol


And every one of them would giggle at your pleas for help as you bled out from a knife wound their accomplice dealt you in the process of stealing your passport, wallet, watch and jewelry.

Never trust those East Bloc chicks.
 
2013-01-07 03:02:46 PM  
dirty gypsies. I wish the Iron Curtain was still around. Keep all that trash in there.
 
2013-01-07 03:14:09 PM  

H31N0US: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Kludge: [paradiseintheworld.com image 850x637]

Eastern europe is best europe

/at least in this category, lol

And every one of them would giggle at your pleas for help as you bled out from a knife wound their accomplice dealt you in the process of stealing your passport, wallet, watch and jewelry.

Never trust those East Bloc chicks.


That's why you only get your hookers from pimps that have been properly vetted.
 
2013-01-07 03:53:17 PM  
 
2013-01-07 04:41:38 PM  

The Shatner Incident: H31N0US: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Kludge: [paradiseintheworld.com image 850x637]

Eastern europe is best europe

/at least in this category, lol

And every one of them would giggle at your pleas for help as you bled out from a knife wound their accomplice dealt you in the process of stealing your passport, wallet, watch and jewelry.

Never trust those East Bloc chicks.

That's why you only get your hookers from pimps that have been properly vetted.


Show me the PimpFax??
 
2013-01-07 06:15:19 PM  

shortymac: Romania doesn't have extradition treaties with the US,


I find that hard to believe. They are EU members and a future Schengen Area member.

But you may be right, I'm just too lazy to look it up.
 
2013-01-07 07:17:42 PM  

HairBolus: coco ebert: I wanted more from that article. Fascinating.

You could read this much longer January 31, 2011 Wired article: "How a Remote Town in Romania Has Become Cybercrime Central".

// didn't check if TFA was criminally ripped of from the Wired article.


Cool, thanks!
 
2013-01-07 09:32:03 PM  

Cajnik: shortymac: Romania doesn't have extradition treaties with the US,

I find that hard to believe. They are EU members and a future Schengen Area member.

But you may be right, I'm just too lazy to look it up.


Maybe for a crime like murder, but definitely not for computer crime. Unless something has changed in 4 years.
 
2013-01-08 07:37:39 AM  
Damn you for getting that song stuck in my head, Subby.

/golf clap
 
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