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2013-01-07 11:15:39 AM  
FTA: "I've come to the conclusion it's just cheaper to go to road games and buy home games through StubHub," said Kenny Scarabaggio, a season-ticket holder since 1983. "This whole PSL process was a rip-off."

This just in: PSLs are a rip-off. You basically buy the right to buy season tickets for those seats. You're paying twice for a season ticket. It's a scam and should be illegal.
 
2013-01-07 11:17:55 AM  

desertgeek: FTA: "I've come to the conclusion it's just cheaper to go to road games and buy home games through StubHub," said Kenny Scarabaggio, a season-ticket holder since 1983. "This whole PSL process was a rip-off."

This just in: PSLs are a rip-off. You basically buy the right to buy season tickets for those seats. You're paying twice for a season ticket. It's a scam and should be illegal.


This; why go to the farking game when HDTV's made it sooooo much easier.

/That and the NFL Network.
 
2013-01-07 11:21:49 AM  
If you were stupid enough to pay for the PSL, you deserve this.
 
2013-01-07 11:24:12 AM  
Is this similar to what the Winnipeg Jets did for season tickets only with ridiculously inflated new York prices? I think it's 500$ to hold your spot up here
 
2013-01-07 11:29:39 AM  
To people dumb enough to pay PSL fees: BAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-01-07 11:31:44 AM  

Malcolm_Sex: Is this similar to what the Winnipeg Jets did for season tickets only with ridiculously inflated new York prices? I think it's 500$ to hold your spot up here


$500 would be a bargain.  aren't PSLs in the thousands?
 
2013-01-07 11:35:17 AM  
Same crap the Blue Jackets pull. There are only a handful of teams in the NHL that have PSLs, like Toronto. There is absolutely no reason for a team as bad as the Jackets to have seat licenses. They need to be doing everything in their power to pick up season ticket holders, not making them buy a seat license so they can see Trans Siberian Orchestra every year.
 
2013-01-07 11:37:50 AM  
So you're saying they're trying to fumble the right to where they place their butt's?
 
2013-01-07 11:45:08 AM  
I go to a lot of college football games and SEC schools have been doing this sort of thing for a long time now. You make a "donation" to the school to hold your seat, then pay face value for each ticket. At Neyland Stadium it's between $500-1200 per donation then between $35-80 for each ticket. I buy all my tickets individually usually from stubhub. I'm a Titan's fan but haven't been to an NFL game because they're way too expensive
 
2013-01-07 11:55:31 AM  
More like "Personal Sucker License", amirite?
 
2013-01-07 11:55:33 AM  

desertgeek: FTA: "I've come to the conclusion it's just cheaper to go to road games and buy home games through StubHub," said Kenny Scarabaggio, a season-ticket holder since 1983. "This whole PSL process was a rip-off."

This just in: PSLs are a rip-off. You basically buy the right to buy season tickets for those seats. You're paying twice for a season ticket. It's a scam and should be illegal.


If there were any deception involved, it would be fraud. However, these people know up front that they are paying up front to get their entertainment and that tickets to games or a guaranteed winning team is not included. It may be stupid, but they are Jets fans, so waddyagonnado?
 
2013-01-07 11:58:43 AM  

H31N0US: More like "Personal Sucker License", amirite?


I've actually heard them referred to as "Penis Sucker License".
 
2013-01-07 11:59:48 AM  
NYJ : the schaden that keeps freuding
 
2013-01-07 12:22:08 PM  
Two bad: "This whole PSL process was a rip-off," says Kenny Scarabaggio (above), a season-ticket holder since 1983.

Nice caption?
 
2013-01-07 12:22:59 PM  
I don't get why you'd pay for PSL when stubhub, etc. exist.

Benefit of seaons tickets: same seats each week means a good chance you'll make friends with those around you, if the team is good the price won't go up.

Benefits of stubhub: sometimes the people around you suck, next week....new people! If the team starts to suck tickets can be had below face value near end of season, not forced to pay for games that don't count.

My family has had Redskins tickets since the early '60s. Every few years they fall in my lap, all other years I find my own way of getting tickets. Don't think the "right": to buy tickets in one big batch is worth tens of thousands of dollars.
 
2013-01-07 12:23:37 PM  
So you all would prefer they make the city pay for the stadium?
 
2013-01-07 12:30:04 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Benefit of seaons tickets: same seats each week means a good chance you'll make friends with those around you, if the team is good the price won't go up.


Don't you also get other types of benefits (that aren't all THAT big a deal, but it's something, like %off prices in the team store, discounts with sponsors, etc.)? Or is that another aspect where professional teams suck more than minor league teams?
 
2013-01-07 12:34:53 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: If you were stupid enough to pay for the PSL, you deserve this.


The funny part is, the reason Woody Johnson wanted Tebow was because so many Jets fan refused to pay the PSLs because this would happen that they weren't selling season tickets.
 
2013-01-07 12:38:29 PM  

IAmRight: DoBeDoBeDo: Benefit of seaons tickets: same seats each week means a good chance you'll make friends with those around you, if the team is good the price won't go up.

Don't you also get other types of benefits (that aren't all THAT big a deal, but it's something, like %off prices in the team store, discounts with sponsors, etc.)? Or is that another aspect where professional teams suck more than minor league teams?


Maybe with a PSL, the season tickets just get you that stuff via email (coupons and the like) but they are the same that you get just by giving the team store your email addy.
 
2013-01-07 12:39:52 PM  

IAmRight: DoBeDoBeDo: Benefit of seaons tickets: same seats each week means a good chance you'll make friends with those around you, if the team is good the price won't go up.

Don't you also get other types of benefits (that aren't all THAT big a deal, but it's something, like %off prices in the team store, discounts with sponsors, etc.)? Or is that another aspect where professional teams suck more than minor league teams?


Added: Depending on WHERE your tickets are that is. The "Premium" seats at FedEx (club level, dream seats, and luxury boxes) get you access to the club level and a "5th quarter" party.
 
2013-01-07 12:48:53 PM  
My brother and his father-in-law had decent season tickets for the Jets at the old Giants' Stadium, going to some games and selling the rest. When the new stadium opened up, they opted for the upper deck where PSLs weren't needed. Last season they gave up the season tickets as the Jets were flooding the market with extra tickets (unlike the Giants, the Jets went through their season ticket holders list and still had unsold season tickets) and they realized it was just cheaper to buy the tickets for the one or two games they go to. They both bought larger TVs with the money they were saving.

It's different with the Giants, who have a long winning history (except for the 70s to early 80s) and whose fan base is a bit more wealthy than the Jets, which always seemed to be more blue collar folks who didn't have the money for PSLs. What is even more stupid are the baseball PSLs. CitiField looks deserted on TV when the camera pans the usual good seats a few rows back.
 
2013-01-07 12:56:40 PM  

IAmRight: Don't you also get other types of benefits (that aren't all THAT big a deal, but it's something, like %off prices in the team store, discounts with sponsors, etc.)? Or is that another aspect where professional teams suck more than minor league teams?


As one of the "suckers'" who paid 12k for two seats at the 49ers new stadium, yes, there are some peripheral benefits, though nothing to get your panties in a twist over. I'll get tickets to other events that are held in the venue (concerts, other football games, etc), as well. I'll have access to the "club" area (basically a big bar) before games, a parking pass, as well as having a much higher chance of being able to purchase superbowl tickets at face value through the team, as my 'weight' will go up in the lottery because of it. I think there are some other minor benefits that I'm forgetting about as well. Oh, when I signed my PSL contract, I got to meet Dwight Clark and Jed York, who happened to be in the building at the time, so that was pretty cool.

No, I wouldn't say that all adds up to nearly 12k, but I knew what I was getting into when I bought the tickets. 12k isn't going to bankrupt me, and I'll get to go to the games in the new stadium with my best friend and his wife, as well as my gf (assming we are still together...otherwise i'll just bring someone else), and it'll be an awesome time, and I can't wait. Candlestick is fast becoming a place I don't want to be, as the seedier element becomes less and less of a majority, and stadium fights/incidents are up 3-4x in the last 5-7 years, so I'm looking forward to the gentrification the new stadium will bring.

I can't imagine ever going to a Giants or Jets game though; the idea of being surrounded by eighty-thousand "Situations" from Long Island gives me the heeby-jeebies.
 
2013-01-07 12:58:40 PM  
About as hard as it would be to get rid of this tattoo?

www.nypost.com

Hotlinked from the NY Post
 
2013-01-07 01:05:02 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: I can't imagine ever going to a Giants or Jets game though; the idea of being surrounded by eighty-thousand "Situations" from Long Island gives me the heeby-jeebies.


Easy on the stereotyping, there, San Fran. Is everyone who watches the niners ghey (Green Bay / Seattle fans don't answer that)?

Jets fans are pretty bad, Giants fans have a bit more class. As has been said, they tend to have higher degrees and make more money. I've seen the Dolphins play both teams there, and Jets fans are way more hostile than Giants fans to a guy wearing an early 90's Marino jersey.
 
2013-01-07 01:08:32 PM  

H31N0US: I've seen the Dolphins play both teams there, and Jets fans are way more hostile than Giants fans to a guy wearing an early 90's Marino jersey.


Jets fans are more hostile to a guy wearing a division rival's jersey than a Giants fan is to the fan of the team they play once every four years for an unmemorable game? Crazy.

/just a silly comparison
//have never been to either
///only regular-season game I saw live was Giants @ LA Rams
 
2013-01-07 01:09:11 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: As one of the "suckers'" who paid 12k for two seats at the 49ers new stadium, yes, there are some peripheral benefits, though nothing to get your panties in a twist over. I'll get tickets to other events that are held in the venue (concerts, other football games, etc), as well.


Which is fine if you get those benefits, however given the Jets share the stadium with the Giants, PSL owners get none of them. It's not a "seat license" at all at MetLife Stadium, because you only get that seat for the 8 regular season home games and whatever playoffs there are, plus you have to buy the 2 home preseason games. It's an incredible ripoff without any tangible benefits.
 
2013-01-07 01:32:04 PM  

IAmRight: Jets fans are more hostile to a guy wearing a division rival's jersey than a Giants fan is to the fan of the team they play once every four years for an unmemorable game? Crazy.


That's a good point but I've been to Giants games with friends who are Cowboys fans, and I can say first hand that they were treated better than Dolphins fans at Jets games.
 
2013-01-07 02:35:48 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: It's an incredible ripoff without any tangible benefits.


No tangible benefits? Getting to pay an exorbitant fee for the privilege of paying an absurd price for seats to an outdoor arena in New Freezing York, where you get to watch a second-rate football team get humiliated by whatever noodlearm QB is in town this week, all while being surrounded by the dulcet sounds of drunken New-Yawkers spewing idiotic profanities and vomiting on their beer-stained wife-beaters. You don't consider that to be a "tangible benefit"?
 
2013-01-07 02:41:44 PM  

H31N0US: That's a good point but I've been to Giants games with friends who are Cowboys fans, and I can say first hand that they were treated better than Dolphins fans at Jets games.


Yeah I'm not too excited about that if I go to local-ish games. Grew up going to games in Southern California and, at least in my sections, no one really gave a crap what you wore. But then, I probably wasn't on the lookout for a lot of the stuff, especially at Dodger Stadium, which I often see is not quite what I remember it being as a kid.

/went to one game there in '04, everyone was pretty happy
//then again, it was Jose Lima's playoff shutout of the Cards (the only game they won that series), so I suppose there's not much of an anger-type situation there
///had drunk assholes harass me in Seattle after a PRESEASON game for wearing black (not even Raiders stuff, just black because I only brought two shirts - both with my alma mater's logo - for the game vs UW the next day). Followed me for at least a block yelling at me. F*CK YOU I LIKE THE SEAHAWKS YOU IDIOT
 
2013-01-07 04:47:43 PM  

IAmRight: ///had drunk assholes harass me in Seattle after a PRESEASON game for wearing black (not even Raiders stuff, just black because I only brought two shirts - both with my alma mater's logo - for the game vs UW the next day). Followed me for at least a block yelling at me. F*CK YOU I LIKE THE SEAHAWKS YOU IDIOT


I've heard the seahawks fans can be louts, which seems to contradict the laid back view we have of Seattle, so I don't know. I like that complex up there and the free trolly is aces. At some point I'll get to a Yanks / Mariners game in SEA.
 
2013-01-07 04:54:51 PM  

H31N0US: I've heard the seahawks fans can be louts, which seems to contradict the laid back view we have of Seattle, so I don't know. I like that complex up there and the free trolly is aces.


In the stadium everyone was great. Some of the areas down to the parking lots are less savory.

/Seattle is pretty laid-back
//former Washingtonian
 
2013-01-07 07:17:49 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: IAmRight: Don't you also get other types of benefits (that aren't all THAT big a deal, but it's something, like %off prices in the team store, discounts with sponsors, etc.)? Or is that another aspect where professional teams suck more than minor league teams?

As one of the "suckers'" who paid 12k for two seats at the 49ers new stadium, yes, there are some peripheral benefits, though nothing to get your panties in a twist over. I'll get tickets to other events that are held in the venue (concerts, other football games, etc), as well. I'll have access to the "club" area (basically a big bar) before games, a parking pass, as well as having a much higher chance of being able to purchase superbowl tickets at face value through the team, as my 'weight' will go up in the lottery because of it. I think there are some other minor benefits that I'm forgetting about as well. Oh, when I signed my PSL contract, I got to meet Dwight Clark and Jed York, who happened to be in the building at the time, so that was pretty cool.

No, I wouldn't say that all adds up to nearly 12k, but I knew what I was getting into when I bought the tickets. 12k isn't going to bankrupt me, and I'll get to go to the games in the new stadium with my best friend and his wife, as well as my gf (assming we are still together...otherwise i'll just bring someone else), and it'll be an awesome time, and I can't wait. Candlestick is fast becoming a place I don't want to be, as the seedier element becomes less and less of a majority, and stadium fights/incidents are up 3-4x in the last 5-7 years, so I'm looking forward to the gentrification the new stadium will bring.

I can't imagine ever going to a Giants or Jets game though; the idea of being surrounded by eighty-thousand "Situations" from Long Island gives me the heeby-jeebies.


My personal experience is Jets games are like that - Giants games tend to have a lot more New Yorkers, who are genuinely more polite and friendly. Except when Gilbride is throwing the whole thing.
 
2013-01-07 10:05:38 PM  

Malcolm_Sex: Is this similar to what the Winnipeg Jets did for season tickets only with ridiculously inflated new York prices? I think it's 500$ to hold your spot up here


diehard jets fan here. they had fans make 2 or 3 season commitments up front. as far as i know, you don't have to pay extra to keep your season tickets, you just keep renewing. i'm not a season ticket holder, so you may know more than i.

they do have a waiting list for season tickets, which is 100 a season, which goes towards the purchase of your tickets once your turn comes up.
 
2013-01-07 11:04:31 PM  
So how does the PSL work? I mean, if I pay the PSL, and then don't buy the tickets, does that seat remain empty for those games? The team can't sell the ticket because I have the license, but I can't get in to the game because I didn't buy the ticket. (serious question)

Also, why would anyone with any other decent job prospects take the Jets GM job? GMs generally like to make personnel decisions, but in this case, they've committed to Ryan so the GM has no say on the coaching staff. (Sticking the head coach with assistants he doesn't like is a recipe for disaster.) And there aren't many decisions to be made on the offense--they've committed to Sanchez so you're stuck trying to fill in players to cover his weaknesses.

Basically it's no win. If the team sucks, you get fired. If by some miracle they don't suck, it's not as if the new GM take much credit, since it won't be his coach or his QB succeeding. (also a serious question)

/other possibility is they're not as married to Ryan and Sanchez as they say, but if that's the case they better get the new GM in quick, because the primo head coaches will be going quick this off season
 
2013-01-08 05:21:32 AM  
i feel bad for the poor schmucks, but they voluntarily signed up for it, and it's not like any fraud or deception is involved. i guess things may change when (if?) i move up to a higher income level, but i just can't imagine spending that kind of money on sports tickets. i guess these people don't get a lot of vacation, but i could spend a lot of time traveling for anything near that money, and i think that would be much more enjoyable and enriching than watching a football game.
 
2013-01-08 08:03:06 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: If you were stupid enough to pay for the PSL, you deserve this.

The funny part is, the reason Woody Johnson wanted Tebow was because so many Jets fan refused to pay the PSLs because this would happen that they weren't selling season tickets.


Whar English? Whar?
 
2013-01-08 11:31:23 AM  

mcmnky: So how does the PSL work? I mean, if I pay the PSL, and then don't buy the tickets, does that seat remain empty for those games? The team can't sell the ticket because I have the license, but I can't get in to the game because I didn't buy the ticket. (serious question)



I think it depends on the contract. PSLs are more like calling "dibs" on buying the ticket. I'm guessing the team keeps it and it's either available at the game day ticket window (where they typically sell tickets unused by the visiting team) or they pre-sell them on stubhub et. al. (Dan Snyder "sellouts")
 
2013-01-08 12:35:17 PM  

AnEvilGuest: NYJ : the schaden that keeps freuding


I like this phrase. I like it a lot.
 
2013-01-08 11:33:19 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: mcmnky: So how does the PSL work? I mean, if I pay the PSL, and then don't buy the tickets, does that seat remain empty for those games? The team can't sell the ticket because I have the license, but I can't get in to the game because I didn't buy the ticket. (serious question)

I think it depends on the contract. PSLs are more like calling "dibs" on buying the ticket. I'm guessing the team keeps it and it's either available at the game day ticket window (where they typically sell tickets unused by the visiting team) or they pre-sell them on stubhub et. al. (Dan Snyder "sellouts")


Thanks.
 
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