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(ESPN)   Redskin's coach Mike Shananagans says that a coach that is unwilling to pull out an injured player, who is then injured more severely, should be fired. Good thing he's never done anything like that   (espn.go.com) divider line 197
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2013-01-07 10:10:11 AM  
He deserves to be fired for that idiocy last night. What the hell was he thinking? He should've pulled Griffin the moment it became obvious he was playing on one leg.

Maybe he was concerned that, now that Snyder is finally moving more into a back seat method of team ownership, there isn't enough incompetence, douchebaggery, and stupidity associated with the Redskins anymore.
 
2013-01-07 11:02:16 AM  
If Griffin were a horse he'd be buried today.
 
2013-01-07 11:04:57 AM  
I was screaming at the TV during the 2nd quarter that they needed to pull Griffin and have him thoroughly evaluated through halftime before even considering putting him back on the field. He was dragging his leg back to the huddle every play, he clearly couldn't run, and he couldn't plant his leg to pass effectively. I gave Shanahan a lot of credit for the mid-season turnaround, but with one decision he erased all of that good will.
 
2013-01-07 11:37:18 AM  
I was just reflecting on being an NFL second string quarterback. "Even injured and half dead, we'd rather have the other guy out there than *you*"
 
2013-01-07 11:38:23 AM  
Yeah, as said above, it would be one thing if this were a freak, out-of-nowhere injury, which happens, and there's not much a coach can do about it.  But Griffin was pretty noticably limping even before blowing his knee out, and that field was just garbage.  He definitely should have been pulled long before his far more serious injury.
 
2013-01-07 11:45:09 AM  

kronicfeld: I was screaming at the TV during the 2nd quarter that they needed to pull Griffin and have him thoroughly evaluated through halftime before even considering putting him back on the field.


well they definitely did that, if by "thoroughly evaluated" you mean "pumped to the gills with pain killers."
 
2013-01-07 12:14:50 PM  
The only way that could have been worse is, after Griffin's final injury, "New York, New York" had started playing over the sound system and Shanahan had torn off his jacket to reveal an Eli Manning jersey while Aikman screamed "AH MAH GAWD, BUCK!"
 
2013-01-07 12:14:50 PM  

Pocket Ninja: He deserves to be fired for that idiocy last night. What the hell was he thinking? He should've pulled Griffin the moment it became obvious he was playing on one leg.

Maybe he was concerned that, now that Snyder is finally moving more into a back seat method of team ownership, there isn't enough incompetence, douchebaggery, and stupidity associated with the Redskins anymore.


Why was I forcibly reminded of that scene in Varsity Blues where they pump the player full of 'medication', only to have his knee explode?
 
2013-01-07 12:42:11 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The only way that could have been worse is, after Griffin's final injury, "New York, New York" had started playing over the sound system and Shanahan had torn off his jacket to reveal an Eli Manning jersey while Aikman screamed "AH MAH GAWD, BUCK!"


They were too busy pumping crowd noise through the sound system.
 
2013-01-07 12:44:21 PM  
The NFLPA should sue Dan Snyder for the deplorable conditions of his football field over the past month.

That crap shouldn't be tolerated in the 21st century.
 
2013-01-07 12:48:46 PM  

PowerSlacker: The NFLPA should sue Dan Snyder for the deplorable conditions of his football field over the past month.

That crap shouldn't be tolerated in the 21st century.


It (usually) works out in your favor when you have one of the best running games and your opponent's passing game won't function because their receivers are all in the locker room getting their ankles and knees wrapped.
 
2013-01-07 12:48:55 PM  
This should put to bed any remaining thoughts that the NFL treats player safety as a serious factor in their decision making. OSHA should shut them down
 
2013-01-07 12:50:48 PM  
FTA: "It was hard to watch RG III," Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said. "He was gallant."

Then who was Gallant?
 
2013-01-07 12:51:56 PM  
Goddammit. I meant "Who was Goofus?"
 
2013-01-07 12:52:20 PM  

Earguy: I was just reflecting on being an NFL second string quarterback. "Even injured and half dead, we'd rather have the other guy out there than *you*"


Doug Flutie nods his head in tearful agreement.
 
2013-01-07 12:53:19 PM  

PowerSlacker: The NFLPA should sue Dan Snyder for the deplorable conditions of his football field over the past month.

That crap shouldn't be tolerated in the 21st century.


This.
When the game started and there was clods of dirt and grass flying with nearly every step, I wondered how long the field was going to last. In a way, karma did have the final word when it was the star QB of the home team that apparently got the worst field related injury.
 
2013-01-07 12:53:37 PM  

feffer: FTA: "It was hard to watch RG III," Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said. "He was gallant."

Then who was Gallant?


Well, we know Shanahan was Goofus... >_>
 
2013-01-07 12:53:55 PM  
Even if RGIII had a bum leg, RG1 1/2 stood a better chance at winning then Cousins
 
2013-01-07 12:54:28 PM  

PowerSlacker: The NFLPA should sue Dan Snyder for the deplorable conditions of his football field over the past month.

That crap shouldn't be tolerated in the 21st century.


Exactly. The Seahawks best pass rusher, Chris Clemons, also is feared out with a torn ACL as well. The NFL should pretty much force Snyder to pony up for some artificial turf. It's obvious that not enough sunlight gets into that stadium in the winter.
 
2013-01-07 12:55:01 PM  

akuma976: Even if RGIII had a bum leg, RG1 1/2 stood a better chance at winning then Cousins


41 yards of total offense in the last three quarters.

Washington's THIRD string quarterback could have done better than that.
 
2013-01-07 12:55:50 PM  

akuma976: Even if RGIII had a bum leg, RG1 1/2 stood a better chance at winning then Cousins


If the Redskins couldn't trust him as an offensive caretaker with a 14-0 lead at home, they wasted a 4th round pick on him.
 
2013-01-07 12:56:49 PM  

PowerSlacker: akuma976: Even if RGIII had a bum leg, RG1 1/2 stood a better chance at winning then Cousins

41 yards of total offense in the last three quarters.

Washington's THIRD string quarterback could have done better than that.


WHOA. First off GROSSMAN. Second off there wasn't technically a third string qb yesterday.
 
2013-01-07 12:57:00 PM  

Treygreen13: It (usually) works out in your favor when you have one of the best running games and your opponent's passing game won't function because their receivers are all in the locker room getting their ankles and knees wrapped.


Yup, it was fine and dandy when it ended Austin, Bryant, Clemons, and potentially Hauschka's seasons. But now that it's been done to a Redskins player...maybe not.

Fun fact: What stadium did Adrian Peterson shred his ACL in? Oh, same one (okay, that's a reach since video shows that was pretty much all defender-related).
 
2013-01-07 12:57:29 PM  

PowerSlacker: akuma976: Even if RGIII had a bum leg, RG1 1/2 stood a better chance at winning then Cousins

41 yards of total offense in the last three quarters.

Washington's THIRD string quarterback could have done better than that.


He completed 9 passes in the entirety of week 17 and it was "The Magic of RG3" to everyone. He's already one of those guys who is so hyped (like Tebow) that his stats will be completely ignored and he'll be one of those guys that can complete 1/3 of his passes in a 6-3 win and he'll get the credit.
 
2013-01-07 12:58:58 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The only way that could have been worse is, after Griffin's final injury, "New York, New York" had started playing over the sound system and Shanahan had torn off his jacket to reveal an Eli Manning jersey while Aikman screamed "AH MAH GAWD, BUCK!"

They were too busy pumping crowd noise through the sound system.


AFAIK the teams are free to pipe whatever they want through the PA system until the ball is set, then they have to stop or risk sanctions from the league. Really, if it happened, it seems more insulting to Redskins fans than anything.
 
2013-01-07 01:00:20 PM  

thecpt: WHOA. First off GROSSMAN. Second off there wasn't technically a third string qb yesterday.


Grossman DID beat the Seahawks in Seattle last year and he's 3-1 against the Seahawks overall. :/

Yanks_RSJ: If the Redskins couldn't trust him as an offensive caretaker with a 14-0 lead at home, they wasted a 4th round pick on him.


Not to mention that he won the Baltimore and Cleveland games for them.
 
2013-01-07 01:00:24 PM  

thecpt: WHOA. First off GROSSMAN. Second off there wasn't technically a third string qb yesterday.


The joke was Grossman, but since he was inactive I would have gone with the emergency QB over RG3.
 
2013-01-07 01:00:43 PM  

Tickle Mittens: Yanks_RSJ: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The only way that could have been worse is, after Griffin's final injury, "New York, New York" had started playing over the sound system and Shanahan had torn off his jacket to reveal an Eli Manning jersey while Aikman screamed "AH MAH GAWD, BUCK!"

They were too busy pumping crowd noise through the sound system.

AFAIK the teams are free to pipe whatever they want through the PA system until the ball is set, then they have to stop or risk sanctions from the league. Really, if it happened, it seems more insulting to Redskins fans than anything.


The crowd chanting "RG3" made me think of that Vuvuzela graphic from the World Cup.
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Just replace "play vuvuzela" with "Chant RG3".
 
2013-01-07 01:01:29 PM  

Tickle Mittens: Really, if it happened, it seems more insulting to Redskins fans than anything.


More insulting that Sherman still said they weren't as loud as Seattle's fans.

/though Seattle's stadium is designed for the sound to be focused onto the field; DC's probably isn't
 
2013-01-07 01:01:54 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The only way that could have been worse is, after Griffin's final injury, "New York, New York" had started playing over the sound system and Shanahan had torn off his jacket to reveal an Eli Manning jersey while Aikman screamed "AH MAH GAWD, BUCK!"

They were too busy pumping crowd noise through the sound system.


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2013-01-07 01:02:38 PM  
he should have been out for the since he went down a month ago.
 
2013-01-07 01:05:39 PM  

carnifex2005: PowerSlacker: The NFLPA should sue Dan Snyder for the deplorable conditions of his football field over the past month.

That crap shouldn't be tolerated in the 21st century.

Exactly. The Seahawks best pass rusher, Chris Clemons, also is feared out with a torn ACL as well. The NFL should pretty much force Snyder to pony up for some artificial turf. It's obvious that not enough sunlight gets into that stadium in the winter.


Heinz Field is just as bad because Pitt plays there and they have a ton of high school football championship games there late in the season. What's the Redskins excuse? I thought no one else used that field besides the occasional early-season college game.
 
2013-01-07 01:06:49 PM  

PowerSlacker: The joke was Grossman, but since he was inactive I would have gone with the emergency QB over RG3.


Fullback Darrell Young was the emergency 3rd QB.

akuma976: Even if RGIII had a bum leg, RG1 1/2 stood a better chance at winning then Cousins


That's a ludicrous statement. He couldn't run, he couldn't move around the pocket, and he couldn't plant his leg well enough to pass effectively. That was obvious in the second quarter. A healthy Cousins gave them a better chance than a 10% RG3. Of course, this presupposes that Cousins was in any way prepared during the week for the possibility of entering the game. And if he wasn't, that goes right back to the coaching staff.
 
2013-01-07 01:07:43 PM  

Treygreen13: Tickle Mittens: Yanks_RSJ: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The only way that could have been worse is, after Griffin's final injury, "New York, New York" had started playing over the sound system and Shanahan had torn off his jacket to reveal an Eli Manning jersey while Aikman screamed "AH MAH GAWD, BUCK!"

They were too busy pumping crowd noise through the sound system.

AFAIK the teams are free to pipe whatever they want through the PA system until the ball is set, then they have to stop or risk sanctions from the league. Really, if it happened, it seems more insulting to Redskins fans than anything.

The crowd chanting "RG3" made me think of that Vuvuzela graphic from the World Cup.
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Just replace "play vuvuzela" with "Chant RG3".


given the circumstances, i think it's perfectly appropriate, commendable even, for the fans to work the audiance wrt ORotY voting. I was one of the people chanting MVP in 2005. However, I understand many believe it is your duty as a Cowboys fan to hate and discredit anything Redskins related until the time of your death, and if possible after. So, on that front, good job! ✔+
 
2013-01-07 01:09:13 PM  

PowerSlacker: The NFLPA should sue Dan Snyder for the deplorable conditions of his football field over the past month.

That crap shouldn't be tolerated in the 21st century.


So much this. What a farking joke.

This weekend's game in Denver against the Ravens will be played on a mostly grass field in the snow and cold and the field will be in excellent condition and no one will notice or comment about it. The NFL should heavily fine teams that refuse to provide a quality playing surface.
 
2013-01-07 01:09:31 PM  

IAmRight: Yup, it was fine and dandy when it ended Austin, Bryant, Clemons, and potentially Hauschka's seasons. But now that it's been done to a Redskins player...maybe not.


Most people around here who pay attention to that level of detail have been biatching about the field conditions for weeks.
 
2013-01-07 01:10:10 PM  

Tickle Mittens: for the fans to work the audiance wrt ORotY voting.


Voting ended Thursday, though, IIRC (some blogger made a point to mention that this game wouldn't have any effect on the votes).
 
2013-01-07 01:11:53 PM  

kronicfeld: Most people around here who pay attention to that level of detail have been biatching about the field conditions for weeks.


Yeah, like I said with the other one, it's not like the Bears fix their field even though their own players complain every year about how sh*tty it is.

Ow! That was my feelings!: The NFL should heavily fine teams that refuse to provide a quality playing surface.


Either that or threaten to not allow them to have home playoff games until they do.
 
2013-01-07 01:12:39 PM  
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2013-01-07 01:14:22 PM  

IAmRight: Grossman DID beat the Seahawks in Seattle last year and he's 3-1 against the Seahawks overall. :/


Does a Bear's QB ever actually get credit for a win, or is it the sole property of the defense? Didn't know about last year though, I imagine if he went in then there would be lots of Garcon dagrons.
 
2013-01-07 01:15:16 PM  

IAmRight: Either that or threaten to not allow them to have home playoff games until they do.


I wouldn't let them have any home games with those conditions, playoffs or otherwise.
 
2013-01-07 01:19:47 PM  

thecpt: Does a Bear's QB ever actually get credit for a win, or is it the sole property of the defense? Didn't know about last year though, I imagine if he went in then there would be lots of Garcon dagrons.


They won like 37-6 in one of those. (That was the one I was actually in Chicago for. :/ At least their fans felt bad for me.)

And last year they didn't yet have Garcon. But he posted 300+ yards, 70%+ completions, and 2 TD (and 2 INT, of course), in Seattle.

/of course, our QB was Tarvaris Jackson
 
2013-01-07 01:26:57 PM  

IAmRight: They won like 37-6 in one of those. (That was the one I was actually in Chicago for. :/ At least their fans felt bad for me.)

And last year they didn't yet have Garcon. But he posted 300+ yards, 70%+ completions, and 2 TD (and 2 INT, of course), in Seattle.

/of course, our QB was Tarvaris Jackson


Yeah, I knew about Garcon. I was just imagining how he would roll now. And as a Pack fan, I know that a win against Tarvaris doesn't really feel like a win.
 
2013-01-07 01:28:39 PM  

thecpt: Yeah, I knew about Garcon. I was just imagining how he would roll now. And as a Pack fan, I know that a win against Tarvaris doesn't really feel like a win.


Sadly, if Tarvaris was healthy all year last year, the Seahawks might've made the playoffs still. Friggin' Charlie Whitehurst.

/but I suppose Whitehurst helped us win the division at 7-9 the year before
 
2013-01-07 01:28:47 PM  

IAmRight: thecpt: Does a Bear's QB ever actually get credit for a win, or is it the sole property of the defense? Didn't know about last year though, I imagine if he went in then there would be lots of Garcon dagrons.

They won like 37-6 in one of those. (That was the one I was actually in Chicago for. :/ At least their fans felt bad for me.)

And last year they didn't yet have Garcon. But he posted 300+ yards, 70%+ completions, and 2 TD (and 2 INT, of course), in Seattle.

/of course, our QB was Tarvaris Jackson


And the defense, while decent, was not what it is today. I'd have looved to see Grossman try to throw yesterday with Garcon getting his ass beat all day and Sherman owning half the field...

Thomas might have gotten a couple more picks playing flyers up with the dagrons.
 
2013-01-07 01:29:06 PM  
Shanahan should be fired today. It was clear to anyone watching that RGIII could barely walk, much less run or brace for an accurate pass.

Shanahan first cost the Skins a chance at winning the game by leaving RGIII in there, and then he may have cost RGIII his career.

And Skins-hater Aikman can kiss my ass.
 
2013-01-07 01:31:47 PM  

IAmRight: Sadly, if Tarvaris was healthy all year last year, the Seahawks might've made the playoffs still.


The Seahawks wouldn't be where they are now though. They would have stuck with Jackson.
 
2013-01-07 01:32:22 PM  

lordjupiter: Shanahan should be fired today. It was clear to anyone watching that RGIII could barely walk, much less run or brace for an accurate pass.

Shanahan first cost the Skins a chance at winning the game by leaving RGIII in there, and then he may have cost RGIII his career.

And Skins-hater Aikman can kiss my ass.


If you want to hate on Shanahan, hate on his boss too. The organization obviously doesn't care about player safety.
 
2013-01-07 01:35:23 PM  

PowerSlacker: lordjupiter: Shanahan should be fired today. It was clear to anyone watching that RGIII could barely walk, much less run or brace for an accurate pass.

Shanahan first cost the Skins a chance at winning the game by leaving RGIII in there, and then he may have cost RGIII his career.

And Skins-hater Aikman can kiss my ass.

If you want to hate on Shanahan, hate on his boss too. The organization obviously doesn't care about player safety.



Long-time Skins fan so well aware of Snyder's douchebaggery. Has nothing to do with what happened yesterday as far as I can tell, though.
 
2013-01-07 01:37:49 PM  

lordjupiter: Long-time Skins fan so well aware of Snyder's douchebaggery. Has nothing to do with what happened yesterday as far as I can tell, though.


The field conditions played more than a small part. There's been a season-long thread on extremeskins about the poor quality of the field. I know Wilson Farm was basically a swamp but there are so many good groundscrews and turf options these days that i'm not buying it.
 
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