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(Talking Points Memo)   Max Cleland (D-GA) says that when Hagel is actually nominated, the bullshiat will end, or he'll have to smack a biatch   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 52
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2013-01-07 08:58:17 AM  
The Hagel nomination will prove once again that the Republicans will viciously oppose anything that Obama proposes.
 
2013-01-07 08:59:39 AM  
Good for him.
 
2013-01-07 09:00:17 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The Hagel nomination will prove once again that the Republicans will viciously oppose anything that Obama proposes.


I wish Obama would come out in favor of breathing.
 
2013-01-07 09:08:08 AM  

ghare: Philip Francis Queeg: The Hagel nomination will prove once again that the Republicans will viciously oppose anything that Obama proposes.

I wish Obama would come out in favor of breathing.


And eating and drinking water. Just to be safe.
 
2013-01-07 09:12:23 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The Hagel nomination will prove once again that the Republicans will viciously oppose anything that Obama proposes.


Well, the right wing has hated him since at least 2008 and probably earlier. He was critical of the Iraq war (after initially voting in favor of it) and the Bush administration and even said that he'd consider running as Obama's VP. He's practically the very definition of a RINO to them. The GOP will oppose the nomination vociferously.
 
2013-01-07 09:13:23 AM  
FADFA: Hagel's votes opposing sanctions against Iran and comments announcing he is unafraid of the "Jewish lobby" have caused pro-Israel groups to oppose Obama's selection.


I would like to see Hagel's opponents asked: 'Do you want a Sec of Def who IS afraid of the 'Jewish lobby?'

Of course, they would start circumlocuting, but the squirming would be entertaining.
 
2013-01-07 09:14:39 AM  
"You need someone at the top who understands what's going on at the bottom," Cleland said. "And that is young men are getting shot at and killed at wounded. And he's been there, done that, got the holes in his T-shirt."

Word.
 
2013-01-07 09:15:41 AM  

ghare: I wish Obama would come out in favor of breathing.


Obama:  The American Lung Act mandates that all Americans draw breath into their lungs and exhale on a regular, continuous basis.
Tea Party:  Hold it, you RINOs.  These colors don't run.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-07 09:20:50 AM  

TheOther: FADFA: Hagel's votes opposing sanctions against Iran and comments announcing he is unafraid of the "Jewish lobby" have caused pro-Israel groups to oppose Obama's selection.


I would like to see Hagel's opponents asked: 'Do you want a Sec of Def who IS afraid of the 'Jewish lobby?'

Of course, they would start circumlocuting, but the squirming would be entertaining.


I would say that anyone - journalist or politician - who refers to it that way is unfit for whatever job they have.

Al Franken, Eric Cantor, George Soros, Noam Chomsky, Dianne Feinstein, the guys at J-Street, and me have very little in common to lobby for.
 
2013-01-07 09:21:01 AM  
Yo dawg, I heard you like chickenhawks, so I put Lindsey Graham in your Senate so you can chicken while you chickenhawk.
 
2013-01-07 09:32:32 AM  
Hagel is an excellent choice, fark you, Megyn Kelly with your sneer.
 
2013-01-07 09:33:15 AM  
As a ZPG proponent, I think Obama should address the nation, wink to the left side of the aisle, then address the right and say "Condoms are terrible."

Teen pregnancy rate in Texas solved.
 
2013-01-07 09:34:00 AM  
From Cleland's optimistic comments I have to wonder if he paid much attention while Kerry was being swiftboated or Cleland himself was being run out of office.  Being a respected war hero only matters if you are republican and then only until you might help a democrat.
 
2013-01-07 09:34:24 AM  
Ann Coulter and Turdblossom laugh at the musings of a Vietnam wounded veteran whom they destroyed by lies and innuendo.

And they're waiting to do it to Hagel, too. It'll be a way for Turdblossom to redeem himself after being unable to steal Ohio and the rest of the POTUS election.
 
2013-01-07 09:36:47 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I would say that anyone - journalist or politician - who refers to it that way is unfit for whatever job they have.

Al Franken, Eric Cantor, George Soros, Noam Chomsky, Dianne Feinstein, the guys at J-Street, and me have very little in common to lobby for.


More accurate would be "Pro-Israel lobby."

Submitted another article for this topic. There's a number of 4-6 year old quotes singing Hagel's praises from the same guys now claiming he's unfit to even call himself an American.

My favorite comments, however, were from several Republican senators, including Mitch The Turtle and the new embarrassment from Texas Ted Cruz saying that Obama nominating Hagel is PROOF on how little Obama is committed to bipartisanship.
 
2013-01-07 09:42:00 AM  

theknuckler_33: Philip Francis Queeg: The Hagel nomination will prove once again that the Republicans will viciously oppose anything that Obama proposes.

Well, the right wing has hated him since at least 2008 and probably earlier. He was critical of the Iraq war (after initially voting in favor of it) and the Bush administration and even said that he'd consider running as Obama's VP. He's practically the very definition of a RINO to them. The GOP will oppose the nomination vociferously.


McCain said in July 2008 there could be a spot for Hagel in his adminstration. When Hagel departed the Senate in 2008, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) praised his "clear voice on foreign policy and national security" and his "stature as a leading voice in foreign affairs." Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) added that Hagel "understands the world better than almost anyone."

Obama could nominate McCain for SOD and the right-wing would protest that he's a RINO. He could nominate McConnell for SOS, and McConnell would oppose him.
 
2013-01-07 09:43:03 AM  

coeyagi: As a ZPG proponent, I think Obama should address the nation, wink to the left side of the aisle, then address the right and say "Condoms are terrible."

Teen pregnancy rate in Texas solved.


Hell, half the GOP caucus stretch Trojans over their heads and asphyxiate while old ladies dangle rubbers from their bonnets and hold signs saying "I'M DOUBLE BAGGIN FOR JESUS"
 
2013-01-07 09:45:43 AM  
CLELAND ROCKS!
 
2013-01-07 10:05:30 AM  
 
2013-01-07 10:06:02 AM  
"I'd be honored to have Chuck with me in any capacity, He'd make a great secretary of state."
-- John McCain 2006

"In two terms in the Senate, Chuck has earned the respect of his colleagues and risen to national prominence as a clear voice on foreign policy and national security. He has consistently fought to expand free trade, particularly with Vietnam. Chuck's stature as a leading voice in foreign affairs has earned him a reputation, in just 12 years in the Senate, as one of Nebraska's great statesmen. This is a tribute to his intelligence, hard work, and devotion to a country that he has served his entire adult life."

-- Mitch McConnell 2008

"When Senator Hagel came to the Senate, his actions often reflected his experience as a combat veteran. He did what he believed was best for the men and women in uniform, and he defended his positions forcefully. Senator Hagel has continued to protect and defend the country, notably through his work on the Foreign Relations and Intelligence Committees."

-- John Kyll 2008

"Senator Hagel's heroism and service serving side by side with his brother in Vietnam is one of the most fascinating, heroic stories of any member of the Senate. With that sort of independent background, you can imagine he brought to this body a sense of independence, a great knowledge of the world. He understands the world better than almost anyone, and he works hard at it."

-- Sen. Lamar Alexander 2008
 
2013-01-07 10:31:22 AM  

Dr Dreidel: TheOther: FADFA: Hagel's votes opposing sanctions against Iran and comments announcing he is unafraid of the "Jewish lobby" have caused pro-Israel groups to oppose Obama's selection.


I would like to see Hagel's opponents asked: 'Do you want a Sec of Def who IS afraid of the 'Jewish lobby?'

Of course, they would start circumlocuting, but the squirming would be entertaining.

I would say that anyone - journalist or politician - who refers to it that way is unfit for whatever job they have.

Al Franken, Eric Cantor, George Soros, Noam Chomsky, Dianne Feinstein, the guys at J-Street, and me have very little in common to lobby for.


AIPAC does have the best interests of the USA in mind. So any criticism of that group is

Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: I would say that anyone - journalist or politician - who refers to it that way is unfit for whatever job they have.

Al Franken, Eric Cantor, George Soros, Noam Chomsky, Dianne Feinstein, the guys at J-Street, and me have very little in common to lobby for.

More accurate would be "Pro-Israel lobby."

Submitted another article for this topic. There's a number of 4-6 year old quotes singing Hagel's praises from the same guys now claiming he's unfit to even call himself an American.

My favorite comments, however, were from several Republican senators, including Mitch The Turtle and the new embarrassment from Texas Ted Cruz saying that Obama nominating Hagel is PROOF on how little Obama is committed to bipartisanship.


Hagel made a somewhat snide comment to some AIPAC types about being an American Senator and not an Israeli Senator. It must be tiring/frustrating to be expected to always support a foreign country's interests, one thats interests are sometimes not the same as the country you are elected to represent.
 
2013-01-07 10:37:52 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: I would say that anyone - journalist or politician - who refers to it that way is unfit for whatever job they have.

Al Franken, Eric Cantor, George Soros, Noam Chomsky, Dianne Feinstein, the guys at J-Street, and me have very little in common to lobby for.

More accurate would be "Pro-Israel lobby."

Submitted another article for this topic. There's a number of 4-6 year old quotes singing Hagel's praises from the same guys now claiming he's unfit to even call himself an American.

My favorite comments, however, were from several Republican senators, including Mitch The Turtle and the new embarrassment from Texas Ted Cruz saying that Obama nominating Hagel is PROOF on how little Obama is committed to bipartisanship.


Cruz's comments were amazing; he said that Obama was "high on reelection" and had "drunk the tea" (???) Since he thought Hagel was an acceptable nominee. His argument was that Obama if he wanted to have a better relationship with the new Congress than the previous one should nominate people with bipartisan support, and the fact that everyone he has nominated or was a rumored potential nominee has been met with outcry by Republicans shows that he is nominating people far too liberal to be good faith offers, including the Republicans and people who worked under Bush too.
 
2013-01-07 10:44:23 AM  

Grungehamster: Cruz's comments were amazing; he said that Obama was "high on reelection" and had "drunk the tea" (???) Since he thought Hagel was an acceptable nominee.


Can you believe this guy Obama, wanting to staff his cabinet with whomever he pleases fresh off winning 51% of the popular vote? How presumptuous!
 
2013-01-07 10:50:49 AM  

Moopy Mac: Hagel made a somewhat snide comment to some AIPAC types about being an American Senator and not an Israeli Senator. It must be tiring/frustrating to be expected to always support a foreign country's interests, one thats interests are sometimes not the same as the country you are elected to represent.


Hell, I support Israel more than most of my fellow libby-lib-libbertons, and I'd have said the same - to AIPAC, J-St, Bibi, the Saudi princes, fellow Jews, and anyone else who asked.

I don't expect my Senators to blindly support Israel (hell, even I don't, so I begin to wonder how much of a strawman that is), and I wouldn't base my support of someone based solely on how much they support Israel. Except for maybe the choice of US ambassador to Israel, it's less than 50% of the job anyway. It weirds me out when Congresspeople say things like "support of Israel is crucial the the US". They're an ally in the region, end of story. Geopolitics takes over from there.
 
2013-01-07 10:53:39 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Can you believe this guy Obama, wanting to staff his cabinet with whomever he pleases fresh off winning 51% of the popular vote? How presumptuous!


When High President Ronald Reagan (praises be unto Him) won reelection, he appointed 12 rabid dobermans to his Cabinet in order to keep himself sharp and on the ball at all times.  He kept them calm and sedated by sheer American folksiness.
 
2013-01-07 11:10:59 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Moopy Mac: Hagel made a somewhat snide comment to some AIPAC types about being an American Senator and not an Israeli Senator. It must be tiring/frustrating to be expected to always support a foreign country's interests, one thats interests are sometimes not the same as the country you are elected to represent.

Hell, I support Israel more than most of my fellow libby-lib-libbertons, and I'd have said the same - to AIPAC, J-St, Bibi, the Saudi princes, fellow Jews, and anyone else who asked.

I don't expect my Senators to blindly support Israel (hell, even I don't, so I begin to wonder how much of a strawman that is), and I wouldn't base my support of someone based solely on how much they support Israel. Except for maybe the choice of US ambassador to Israel, it's less than 50% of the job anyway. It weirds me out when Congresspeople say things like "support of Israel is crucial the the US". They're an ally in the region, end of story. Geopolitics takes over from there.


Pretty much.
 
2013-01-07 11:28:12 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: I would say that anyone - journalist or politician - who refers to it that way is unfit for whatever job they have.

Al Franken, Eric Cantor, George Soros, Noam Chomsky, Dianne Feinstein, the guys at J-Street, and me have very little in common to lobby for.

More accurate would be "Pro-Israel lobby."

Submitted another article for this topic. There's a number of 4-6 year old quotes singing Hagel's praises from the same guys now claiming he's unfit to even call himself an American.

My favorite comments, however, were from several Republican senators, including Mitch The Turtle and the new embarrassment from Texas Ted Cruz saying that Obama nominating Hagel is PROOF on how little Obama is committed to bipartisanship.


Hagel used the term 'Jewish lobby'. If he meant 'pro-Israel lobby'...and maybe he did...he should have said that instead. I have no problem with resisting Israeli control of American policy, but f*ck-ups are f*ck-ups, and using a racial designation instead of nationality is a f*ck-up.

Reverse dog-whistle?
 
2013-01-07 11:50:04 AM  
Lindsay Graham (R-Cracker Cross Dresser) is very upset about Chuck's nomination, as per this statement he made today:

Chuck Hagel Defense Secretary: 'This Is An In-Your-Face-Nomination', Says Sen. Graham

Hint: Graham-Cracker got something in his face relating to this man Chuck.

Details later this month.
 
2013-01-07 12:14:15 PM  
Hagel was a great senator back when I lived in Nebraska. It's amazing watching the GOP throw him under the bus because he only towed the party line 75% of the time rather than 95%.
 
2013-01-07 12:18:55 PM  
He also served as a Chairman and was CEO of American Information Systems Inc. (AIS), later known as Election Systems & Software, a computerized voting machine manufacturer. On March 15, 1995, Hagel resigned from the board of AIS as he intended to run for office. Michael McCarthy,ES&S parent company's founder, was Hagel's campaign treasurer. Until at least 2003, he retained between $1 million and $5 million in stock in Election Systems & Software's parent company, the McCarthy Group.Stock that he failed to report on his Senate financial record as required by law.
www.bradblog.com
z.about.com
 
2013-01-07 12:20:09 PM  

TheOther: Hagel used the term 'Jewish lobby'. If he meant 'pro-Israel lobby'...and maybe he did...he should have said that instead. I have no problem with resisting Israeli control of American policy, but f*ck-ups are f*ck-ups, and using a racial designation instead of nationality is a f*ck-up.

Reverse dog-whistle?


Oh, it's a terminology fark up, but keep in mind it's understood what he meant and what people are upset about. They're not upset that he was politically correct or even potentially racist. They're upset that he might be anti-Israel.
 
2013-01-07 01:21:26 PM  
Hagel and the Israeli lobby

The vicious campaign to smear Chuck Hagel with an anti-Israel brush and deter U.S. President Barack Obama from nominating him to become the next defense secretary got rolling over year-end holidays.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee relied on the "neocons" and the right wing of the Republican Party to fire the first salvos by raising questions about Hagel's commitment to Israel's security.

The counterattack came fast and furious. Hundreds and then thousands of email messages and tweets followed by the heavy artillery of op-eds by the media commentariat. AIPAC had underestimated the scale of Hagel's media support.

The Jewish lobby countered with bigger guns. Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice president of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, questioned Hagel's credentials for the job of defense secretary.

This would indeed be a far cry from Israel's apogee at the U.S. Defense Department when an Israeli defense official once told his U.S. counterpart at the Pentagon, "Your job is to ship the goods and ours is to deliver Congress."

The angry U.S. general involved in the exchange wrote after he retired that the items requested were on a strictly prohibited for export list.
 
2013-01-07 01:28:23 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: TheOther: Hagel used the term 'Jewish lobby'. If he meant 'pro-Israel lobby'...and maybe he did...he should have said that instead. I have no problem with resisting Israeli control of American policy, but f*ck-ups are f*ck-ups, and using a racial designation instead of nationality is a f*ck-up.

Reverse dog-whistle?

Oh, it's a terminology fark up, but keep in mind it's understood what he meant and what people are upset about. They're not upset that he was politically correct or even potentially racist. They're upset that he might be anti-Israel.


Blurring the distinction between Jewish people, (beliefs, history and suffering) and the State of Israel, (policies, actions and treatment of Palestinians) is more of an AIPAC propaganda tactic. Hagel really should pay better attention.
 
2013-01-07 01:42:16 PM  

TheOther: Hagel really should pay better attention.


These groups have likened themselves to speak for the Jewish community. The difference from 2003 is that there are more Jews breaking with this and the split is largely generational. The money is still with the old people.
 
2013-01-07 01:51:16 PM  

dartben: Hagel was a great senator back when I lived in Nebraska. It's amazing watching the GOP throw him under the bus because he only towed the party line 75% of the time rather than 95%.


Toed the line.
 
2013-01-07 02:18:58 PM  

people: TheOther: Hagel really should pay better attention.

These groups have likened themselves to speak for the Jewish community. The difference from 2003 is that there are more Jews breaking with this and the split is largely generational. The money is still with the old people.


Yep. A common discussion point/tactic is to claim that any anti-Israel criticism is anti-Jewish. The pro-Israel no matter what groups have made a deliberate effort to claim that they represent all Jews and that any action against them is against Jews.
 
2013-01-07 02:29:54 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: dartben: Hagel was a great senator back when I lived in Nebraska. It's amazing watching the GOP throw him under the bus because he only towed the party line 75% of the time rather than 95%.

Toed the line.


Sure you're not a toad?
 
2013-01-07 02:30:49 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Yep. A common discussion point/tactic is to claim that any anti-Israel criticism is anti-Jewish. The pro-Israel no matter what groups have made a deliberate effort to claim that they represent all Jews and that any action against them is against Jews.


Yep. Doesn't help when they're calling Hagel an anti-semite.

Elliot Abrams - ringing the anti-semite bell

Jennifer Rubin, the Washington Post resident neocon fellator - ringing the anti-semite bell

Pamela Geller - does she even need an intro?  - ringing the anti-semite bell
 
2013-01-07 02:40:17 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: people: TheOther: Hagel really should pay better attention.

These groups have likened themselves to speak for the Jewish community. The difference from 2003 is that there are more Jews breaking with this and the split is largely generational. The money is still with the old people.

Yep. A common discussion point/tactic is to claim that any anti-Israel criticism is anti-Jewish. The pro-Israel no matter what groups have made a deliberate effort to claim that they represent all Jews and that any action against them is against Jews.


So what? Does the NAACP speak for all black people? Does GLAAD speak for all gays? (Does GOProud speak for all gay Republicans?) Does the OU speak for all Jews? Does the NRA speak for all gun-owners? Does the AARP speak for all old people?

The answers, of course, are all 'no'. And the difference is that AIPAC speaks for Israeli interests, not domestic Jewish interests. If they want to lay claim to the opinions of all the people I listed above, they'll have a hell of a time getting them all aboard the same boat.

You'd have to be some kind of idiot to fully trust a lobbying group...

// does One Million Moms actually speak for one million female parents? (Biological-only, or also adoptive/foster parents? Would a lesbian couple count as 2, and a gay couple as 0?)
// question mark?
 
2013-01-07 02:44:11 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Does the NAACP speak for all black people? Does GLAAD speak for all gays?



Let me know when someone gets a shiatstorm for being a "self-hating black" or a "self-hating gay."
 
2013-01-07 02:45:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: AIPAC speaks for Israeli interests


right-wing Israeli interests. See Rabin for details.
 
2013-01-07 02:54:59 PM  
Im not waiting for Dreidel to fall into the trap

Analysis: The Anti-Israel, Self-Hating Jew

The ease at which this is conflated betzeen ethnic group and a nation has no analog with "gays" and "blacks." You can present hundreds of the same. The comment to point to "gays" and "blacks" is diversionary and ridiculous.
 
2013-01-07 02:57:02 PM  

people: Dr Dreidel: Does the NAACP speak for all black people? Does GLAAD speak for all gays?


Let me know when someone gets a shiatstorm for being a "self-hating black" or a "self-hating gay."


Actually those are not uncommon charges. The "Log Cabin Republicans" do get that for example.
 
2013-01-07 03:05:20 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Actually those are not uncommon charges. The "Log Cabin Republicans" do get that for example.


I was looking to set up an argumentative pitfall for him, but his comment itself is just plainly ridiculous. The ease at which this is conflated between ethnic group and a nation has no analog with "gays" and "blacks." You can present hundreds of citations on this easily.
 
2013-01-07 03:13:30 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The Hagel nomination will prove once again that the Republicans will viciously oppose anything that Obama proposes.


The Log Cabin Repubs, silent after one of the most vehemently, publicly anti-gay campaigns of the modern era, are suddenly UP IN ARMS about comments Hagel made over a decade ago.

So there ya go, it has ALREADY begun.
 
2013-01-07 03:17:31 PM  

Empty Matchbook: The Log Cabin Repubs, silent after one of the most vehemently, publicly anti-gay campaigns of the modern era, are suddenly UP IN ARMS about comments Hagel made over a decade ago.

So there ya go, it has ALREADY begun.


check out Greenwald on this
 
2013-01-07 03:30:05 PM  

TwoHead: From Cleland's optimistic comments I have to wonder if he paid much attention while Kerry was being swiftboated or Cleland himself was being run out of office.  Being a respected war hero only matters if you are republican and then only until you might help a democrat.


Cleland was not wounded by the Vietnam Cong, he was dickning around with a hand grenade.
 
2013-01-07 03:42:05 PM  

people: Philip Francis Queeg: Actually those are not uncommon charges. The "Log Cabin Republicans" do get that for example.

I was looking to set up an argumentative pitfall for him, but his comment itself is just plainly ridiculous. The ease at which this is conflated between ethnic group and a nation has no analog with "gays" and "blacks." You can present hundreds of citations on this easily.


I'm sorry, it was tough to hear you over Marcus Garvey.

// they want you to conflate it because it's harder to argue against their position if, in your mind, arguing against their position is anti-Semitic
// it's a (rhetorical) trap!
 
2013-01-07 03:47:27 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // they want you to conflate it because it's harder to argue against their position if


Right. The posts above were clearly above the conflation between ethnicity and nation. Blurring anti-semitism and Israeli criticism. This is dont by a group that claims vigorously through these conflations and even through direct statements that they speak for the Jews. These groups have likened themselves to speak for the Jewish community. The difference from 2003 is that there are more Jews breaking with this and the split is largely generational. The money is still with the old people.

This is going on with Hagel, now but theres more pushback this time. Hes not even remotely "anti-Israeli."
 
2013-01-07 03:49:58 PM  
Should be posted again how bringing up "blacks" and "gays" totally avoided that point. Terrible argument.
 
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