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(Beatweek Magazine)   Apple-envy keeps companies like Google from achieving greatness   (beatweek.com) divider line 188
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2013-01-07 03:34:48 PM  

YodaBlues: theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.


I'm fairly sure NFC's range is much shorter than that. Think maybe 1 or 2 inches, max.
 
2013-01-07 03:36:20 PM  
Having never used an Apple device in my life (but owning an Android phone), the argument I'm getting from here seems to be Apple Knows what's best, and it limits me because theres no good reason for it not to." It seems like "not being limited" is everyone's general response to that.

I mean, I don't use say, Twitter, but I like knowing that I could always do it. If my phone didn't allow me to use Twitter, I'd probably be annoyed just because my phone is telling me what i can do, when it is clearly an object and I am clearly the user. I tell -it- what it can do.
 
2013-01-07 03:39:57 PM  
Hmm... "Beetweak," eh? That's some stellar reporting there, Bill. No, really.
 
2013-01-07 03:40:56 PM  

YodaBlues: theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.


I guess it will be easy to see if you're being tracked.
 
2013-01-07 03:55:28 PM  
Here's a legit question for the more seasoned Android users out there:

One reason I have stuck with an iPhone so far is the sort album metadata, which allows me to actually sort albums within an artist chronologically. I just googled it and DoubleTwist doesn't support that metadata, and thus doesn't give you a method for sorting albums chronologically.

Is there a player that does this on Android? I don't care if it's through the iTunes metadata or some other method (although the method would need to allow for more granular sorting than just by year).
 
2013-01-07 04:00:27 PM  

narkor: Electronic brand association has replaced for many the touchstone of identity that was once provided by nationality, race, or religion.

It's a whacky prediction, but it isn't impossible that in the future there will be hate crimes perpetrated not on the basis of sexuality, race, or religion - but instead on loyalty to a particular brand.


My shoes, let me show you them. See also, Starter jackets.

www.riseandgrind.com
 
2013-01-07 04:03:52 PM  
Got my wife an Evo 4g smartphone for Christmas, which has a bigger screen than the Iphone and the slightly gimmicky ability to shoot and reord in 3-d and playback 3-d on the screen, The carrier had it one sale for $100 off so I snagged an HTC One X with Beats audio for my musi- loving son for about $100.  The wife and kid suprised me with a Nexus 7, which I adore.  All totalled the three devices cost less than a single Iphone 4 and the all have virtually indentical capabilites.  This, more than anything else is why Android is and will continue to replace Apple as the dominant device platform going forward, especially since the latest Consumer Reports test of smartphones ranked  I-devices last on thier list.
 
2013-01-07 04:05:12 PM  

burndtdan: Is there a player that does this on Android?


I believe Mixzing can do that. I don't have it, but as I recall a lot of Classic Music and Rap fans (genres where performers might get credit on just one track of an album) like the wide variety of metadata sorting options it has.
 
2013-01-07 04:14:38 PM  

Magorn: Got my wife an Evo 4g smartphone for Christmas, which has a bigger screen than the Iphone and the slightly gimmicky ability to shoot and reord in 3-d and playback 3-d on the screen, The carrier had it one sale for $100 off so I snagged an HTC One X with Beats audio for my musi- loving son for about $100.  The wife and kid suprised me with a Nexus 7, which I adore.  All totalled the three devices cost less than a single Iphone 4 and the all have virtually indentical capabilites.  This, more than anything else is why Android is and will continue to replace Apple as the dominant device platform going forward, especially since the latest Consumer Reports test of smartphones ranked  I-devices last on thier list.


Last I checked (ATT), the iPhone 4 was 99 cents with contract. I'm guessing the phones you picked up were also contract phones. So I'm trying to see where your coming up with your figures. Even if you were comparing with the iPhone 5, it's $199 with contract.
 
2013-01-07 04:15:28 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: theflatline: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.

I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.

AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.


I highly recommend Virgin Mobile, Their Evo 4g is on sale for $100 off right now (total cost $150)  if you go to their website as opposed to buying it at a retailer, and it's hard to beat $35/mo for unlimited text and data and 300 voice minutes (especially since unlike Apple, the Evo lets you run Skype's voice chat feature).  The one caveat is that V-mobile uses Sprint's Wi-max 4g network rather than the LTE one, but coverage is pretty good even so and the wife has no complaints about data speed
 
2013-01-07 04:21:05 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Magorn: Got my wife an Evo 4g smartphone for Christmas, which has a bigger screen than the Iphone and the slightly gimmicky ability to shoot and reord in 3-d and playback 3-d on the screen, The carrier had it one sale for $100 off so I snagged an HTC One X with Beats audio for my musi- loving son for about $100.  The wife and kid suprised me with a Nexus 7, which I adore.  All totalled the three devices cost less than a single Iphone 4 and the all have virtually indentical capabilites.  This, more than anything else is why Android is and will continue to replace Apple as the dominant device platform going forward, especially since the latest Consumer Reports test of smartphones ranked  I-devices last on thier list.

Last I checked (ATT), the iPhone 4 was 99 cents with contract. I'm guessing the phones you picked up were also contract phones. So I'm trying to see where your coming up with your figures. Even if you were comparing with the iPhone 5, it's $199 with contract.


Virgin Mobile Usa   Yes it's a pre-paid but given it's $35/mo for unlimited data and text and 300 Voice minutes, it's the best deal of any cell phone plan I've been able to find.  They sell the I-phone 4s for $449 (which is only 3g capable),  I paid $150 for the Wife's Evo 4G, $100 for the Kid's HTC One X (it's off sale an now $150)   and they tell me they got the Nexus on some kind of Black-friday-esque deal that made it under $200
 
2013-01-07 04:22:04 PM  

likefunbutnot: The first thing you're missing is that there are fixed, objective goal posts that do not move. Yours keep moving. Just because you are not using some functionality does not mean that no one else wants or needs it.


How is it moving the goalpost to point out that my iPhone gives me 11 different options for sharing a document when refuting the assertion that the iPhone doesn't allow sharing among apps? Odd comment.

likefunbutnot: I don't even allow itunes on my OS X machine. It's a ridiculous and arbitrary limitation of Apple's architecture. I won't even get in to how shiatty Apple's media formatting requirements are.


Ok. I am sure that whatever puritan approach you are using works wonders for you. That does not seem like a general consumer-level concern to me.

likefunbutnot: iOS won't even let users store files unless they're associated with an application on the device, and even then you're more or less stuck doing the data transfer through itunes or some cloud storage service.


So you can't use your phone/table as an external usb drive? Maybe that is because it is not an external usb drive. You may really like sporks, but I am fine owning both a spoon and a fork.

likefunbutnot: It seems to me that you're allowing Apple to dictate your understanding of what a device should do.


Not really. A phone should be able to make calls (here is where you can really burn the iPhone). A smart-phone should allow you to access information on the go. I don't criticize a car for not being being able to mow my lawn, and I don't criticize a smart-phone for not being a storage device.
 
2013-01-07 04:25:53 PM  

likefunbutnot: I can say that I know a bunch businesses as small as five or six people and as big as Price Waterhouse Coopers that go through completely batshiat insane gymnastics to make ithings worth have a crap in their organizations.


I can say that every single business I've ever worked for has done even more insane things getting Windows to work in the server room. I've seen companies tie themselves up in knots dicking with single sign-on, Active Directory, Sharepoint (the most ridiculous by far), Office Messenger, various Windows videoconference and meeting solutions, various versions of Office on the desktop, etc. When it comes to Microsoft products, The Enterprise seems to have no limit to the expense and security they will sacrifice to use them. The Enterprise LOVES Oracle and will trample each other to cut six-figure license fees and consulting paychecks.

My version of "batshiat insane gymnastics" is an 18-month, unsuccessful project costing $2MM-$3MM so that people don't have to type in their password three times. What's yours? A couple of extra buttons for the lazy-ass IT guy to click on? Not using some proprietary encryption software that they bought that only works on Blackberry because they're farking morons and buy proprietary shiat > 2000?

In short, fark the Enterprise. Nothing they do is good, nothing they do turns out right, is well-managed or organized and every single thing called "Enterprise" always looks like shiat and is terrifically expensive for seemingly no reason. I have had an office job working in The Enterprise for 20 years. For mega-companies that eat PWC for breakfast, and for little startups with five people. None of them, not a ONE, are better off for using "Enterprise-class" products.

The whole thing is a huge scam.

Mr Guy: If the phone doesn't support an option that has a large following, it's a deficiency they should address, don't you think?


My car isn't a bicycle or a truck and that's fine. The Windows philosophy is "all things to all people", and Windows, probably as a result, sucks. 20% marketshare, with millions of devices deployed and lots of commerce going through the ecosystem, all happening according to some grand design is a choice piece of work. It's probably the biggest corporate accomplishment of the 21st century so far. Let it be.
 
2013-01-07 04:28:41 PM  

GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: The first thing you're missing is that there are fixed, objective goal posts that do not move. Yours keep moving. Just because you are not using some functionality does not mean that no one else wants or needs it.

How is it moving the goalpost to point out that my iPhone gives me 11 different options for sharing a document when refuting the assertion that the iPhone doesn't allow sharing among apps? Odd comment.

likefunbutnot: I don't even allow itunes on my OS X machine. It's a ridiculous and arbitrary limitation of Apple's architecture. I won't even get in to how shiatty Apple's media formatting requirements are.

Ok. I am sure that whatever puritan approach you are using works wonders for you. That does not seem like a general consumer-level concern to me.

likefunbutnot: iOS won't even let users store files unless they're associated with an application on the device, and even then you're more or less stuck doing the data transfer through itunes or some cloud storage service.

So you can't use your phone/table as an external usb drive? Maybe that is because it is not an external usb drive. You may really like sporks, but I am fine owning both a spoon and a fork.

likefunbutnot: It seems to me that you're allowing Apple to dictate your understanding of what a device should do.

Not really. A phone should be able to make calls (here is where you can really burn the iPhone). A smart-phone should allow you to access information on the go. I don't criticize a car for not being being able to mow my lawn, and I don't criticize a smart-phone for not being a storage device.


You've basically admitted at this point that Android has more functionality than iOS. But since YOU don't use those functions, who cares?
 
2013-01-07 04:35:30 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: steamingpile: Android is more stable than iOS at this time but of course if you put an new os on an old device then its not going to perform as well, just like my old iPhone 3G ran like shiat after a few updates when the 4 came out.

Um, no. It's not.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 is not at all what I would call stable. Randoms shutdowns, erratic battery times. And if you go to other boards, you will see that this is not a unique problem.
Meanwhile, my wife's iPhone 4 chugs away with no problems.


Odd. My Samsung Galaxy S2 runs perfectly and flawlessly. Are you doing something weird with it?
 
2013-01-07 04:38:23 PM  
I know people love their iPhones. I wasn't one of those people. I'm not going to say that what works for me should work for everyone but I love Swype, Flash (do iPhones run that now?), and my widgets plus I HATE iTunes (although I understand you don't HAVE to use that anymore?). I am perfectly happy with my phone, it does everything I could want it to do, and there's nothing that an iPhone does that it can't.

Either way, I don't see why people get all angry about it. It's my phone, not yours. It's almost as stupid as caring what TV shows I like or what beer I drink or what music I listen to.
 
2013-01-07 04:40:09 PM  

meanmutton: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: steamingpile: Android is more stable than iOS at this time but of course if you put an new os on an old device then its not going to perform as well, just like my old iPhone 3G ran like shiat after a few updates when the 4 came out.

Um, no. It's not.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 is not at all what I would call stable. Randoms shutdowns, erratic battery times. And if you go to other boards, you will see that this is not a unique problem.
Meanwhile, my wife's iPhone 4 chugs away with no problems.

Odd. My Samsung Galaxy S2 runs perfectly and flawlessly. Are you doing something weird with it?


Not anything I'd admit in public.
 
2013-01-07 04:43:54 PM  

wholedamnshow: You've basically admitted at this point that Android has more functionality than iOS. But since YOU don't use those functions, who cares?


Actually, I phrased my original point very specifically. I asked for functions that can be performed on Android but not iOS.

So far, the only real function that has passed that test is file sharing between individuals (as opposed to multiple devices owned by the same person) and using the device as an external drive. The rest has all been different methods of performing the same functions.

I would assume there are more ways to share files among iOS users, but Apple has not made that very easy. So, I concede those points, if that makes any difference to anyone.
 
2013-01-07 04:51:42 PM  
I had an iPod touch that started randomly crashing out of apps back to the home screen after about a year--just after the warranty ran out. It affected every app, and even a factory reset (Apple's suggested solution) didn't fix it. Sold it and never looked back.
 
2013-01-07 04:52:46 PM  

GameSprocket: wholedamnshow: You've basically admitted at this point that Android has more functionality than iOS. But since YOU don't use those functions, who cares?

Actually, I phrased my original point very specifically. I asked for functions that can be performed on Android but not iOS.

So far, the only real function that has passed that test is file sharing between individuals (as opposed to multiple devices owned by the same person) and using the device as an external drive. The rest has all been different methods of performing the same functions.

I would assume there are more ways to share files among iOS users, but Apple has not made that very easy. So, I concede those points, if that makes any difference to anyone.


Even if we just took those two, those are two things I would consider must-haves on a smartphone.
 
2013-01-07 05:03:55 PM  
Jesus Christ, this article was maddening. I don't want to have anything to do with a guy who builds a religion around a farking gizmo company. My best friend's obsessions are macrame and her pet geese. We get along splendidly.
 
2013-01-07 05:41:46 PM  

Linux_Yes: Linux and Open Source is the Future. get used to it.


Glad you're including Apple and OS X in there at least.

I'd love to see a modern distro without CUPS.
 
2013-01-07 05:49:22 PM  

YodaBlues: theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.


Not to mention you're already carrying around a device that is literally broadcasting your location to a private entity that is legally protected when it tells the government what you're up to.

/not a tinfoil hatter, just amazed at the stupidity that someone doesn't understand that a cell phone means you can be tracked
//have you not seen Pineapple Express, man? Smash that shiat!
 
2013-01-07 05:49:53 PM  

Bullseyed: Most drivers don't need their car to go over 55 MPH. If you have the choice between two identical cars, one with a top speed of 55 MPH that costs more or a cheaper car that can go up to 120 MPH, which do you pick?


What's the mileage like (if it's second hand), the MPG, how much for a service? Is the paperwork all in order? Is the car in good condition? How big is the fuel tank? Aircon? CD changer? DAB? Parking assist? How big is the engine?

Your analogy falls apart because the average person doesn't generally buy a car on it's theoretical top speed alone. It also falls apart because blatantly the cars aren't identical; they have different top speeds.
 
2013-01-07 06:22:59 PM  

thornhill: As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.


LOLWUT
 
2013-01-07 06:50:18 PM  

GameSprocket: Actually, I phrased my original point very specifically. I asked for functions that can be performed on Android but not iOS.

So far, the only real function that has passed that test is file sharing between individuals (as opposed to multiple devices owned by the same person) and using the device as an external drive. The rest has all been different methods of performing the same functions.

I would assume there are more ways to share files among iOS users, but Apple has not made that very easy. So, I concede those points, if that makes any difference to anyone.


The ability to replace one piece of software with another equivalent piece of software is a function.
 
2013-01-07 07:30:29 PM  
I didn't rtfa but I think Google should stop making android more like ios. Also their programs are more focused on having something new than something that works. Case in point: Google Music. They've pushed streaming onto phones and broken playback from SD card when most people can't afford the data plans required to use streaming music outside their home.
 
2013-01-07 07:37:37 PM  

JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?


NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.
 
2013-01-07 08:20:42 PM  
moothemagiccow:
NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.

No, it's not. It's for stupidly simple sharing of data. One aspect of it is sharing your cc data with cc terminals.

The two major (other reasons) are:
1) Windows Phone, Android and Blackberry can share data between platforms. If you want to, for example, share your business card with someone -- you just back to back any of these three smartphone devices within the past year-ish or so (more on certain platforms)
2) Stupidly simply Bluetooth (or any other) pairing. RIM and Samsung have devices that you just need to put next to your phone to pair up and use. There might even be routers that transfer the key over to the device just by placing the phone on it -- no more easily guessable passwords!
3) Smart actions. See Samsung TecTiles and Sony's equivalent (though you can use your own, buying them straight up from any NFC vendors)

There's probably more, but these are the major uses so far.
 
2013-01-07 08:22:15 PM  

GameSprocket: How is it moving the goalpost to point out that my iPhone gives me 11 different options for sharing a document when refuting the assertion that the iPhone doesn't allow sharing among apps? Odd comment.


Because iOS doesn't allow sharing between apps in and of itself. The application developers have to handle on an app-to-app basis, which is why it's so goddamned inconsistent.

GameSprocket: Ok. I am sure that whatever puritan approach you are using works wonders for you. That does not seem like a general consumer-level concern to me.


Locking a shiat-ton of functionality for a device away in a desktop app that not everyone has (e.g. Linux users) or wants to use is a pretty huge functional issue. I'd call it a design failure, actually.

GameSprocket: So you can't use your phone/table as an external usb drive? Maybe that is because it is not an external usb drive. You may really like sporks, but I am fine owning both a spoon and a fork.


Most (but not all) of my Android devices can be used as external drives. A few of them can only be accessed via MTP, a file transfer protocol that's mainly used for cameras and music players that don't want to support a full-featured filesystem access. All of them can be used as SMB or NFS clients or servers that I can connect with wirelessly using standard software that's already built in to every notebook and desktop I use. Any of those ways is still substantially better than requiring me to dock and then drag a file to a particular app in itunes, and that's incredibly handy for something that has 60GB or more of flash-based storage, fits in a pocket and is always about or near my person.

What possible reason could you have to object to that sort of capability?

GameSprocket: Not really. A phone should be able to make calls (here is where you can really burn the iPhone). A smart-phone should allow you to access information on the go. I don't criticize a car for not being being able to mow my lawn, and I don't criticize a smart-phone for not being a storage device.


Computers can do things. Your idevice is technically a computer. Your iphone has a long, long list of things it can't do for no reason more than "Apple doesn't want you to." You keep finding excuses that boil down to your personal preference and/or an inability to understand that others might have needs or interests that are different from yours.
 
2013-01-07 08:25:45 PM  

bifford: Jesus Christ, this article was maddening. I don't want to have anything to do with a guy who builds a religion around a farking gizmo company. My best friend's obsessions are macrame and her pet geese. We get along splendidly.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-07 08:32:35 PM  

Vaneshi: Linux_Yes: Linux and Open Source is the Future. get used to it.

Glad you're including Apple and OS X in there at least.

I'd love to see a modern distro without CUPS.


Apple bought CUPS, they did not develop it.
 
2013-01-07 10:31:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?

NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.


NFC can be used for a ton of different things.

I just did a project where we used an NFC device and a fingerprint reader as a security system.
 
2013-01-08 07:29:07 AM  

Mikey1969: Seriously, with so many items not available on the iPhone, what is in that damned store?


Profit.
 
2013-01-08 08:28:46 AM  

SleepingEye: moothemagiccow:
NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.

No, it's not. It's for stupidly simple sharing of data. One aspect of it is sharing your cc data with cc terminals.

The two major (other reasons) are:
1) Windows Phone, Android and Blackberry can share data between platforms. If you want to, for example, share your business card with someone -- you just back to back any of these three smartphone devices within the past year-ish or so (more on certain platforms)
2) Stupidly simply Bluetooth (or any other) pairing. RIM and Samsung have devices that you just need to put next to your phone to pair up and use. There might even be routers that transfer the key over to the device just by placing the phone on it -- no more easily guessable passwords!
3) Smart actions. See Samsung TecTiles and Sony's equivalent (though you can use your own, buying them straight up from any NFC vendors)

There's probably more, but these are the major uses so far.


The photo sharing thing is kind of terrible. The process is: ready thing to be sent, while holding phones together, press send on one phone. When prompted, press receive on other phone. The initial distance is too short. I did it with a friend and he didn't want to actually let go of his phone to facilitate the transfer. I imagine it'd be more awkward with business associate who thinks maybe they have that feature.

#2 sounds rather good, especially for obtaining cafe/restaurant Wifi. But as a personal interaction method it's weak.
 
2013-01-08 12:56:37 PM  
GameSprocket's argument is bizarre. Based on his line of thinking, there's no real difference between a Pontiac Aztec and a Rolls Royce Phantom. They will both do the same basic thing (with the help of third party accessories) and the method, the way they do it, is completely irrelevant. That makes them comparable. But for this example to be accurate the prices of both would be switched.

"But the Phantom is a hell of a lot more comfortable and has better convinces!" Personal preferences are irrelevant. As long as the end result is the same the amount of ease and/or headache, time, and effort required to get there is unimportant and therefore not to be considered. I also like how when Android does it better, that's just your opinion and therefore doesn't matter. When it's something superior on Android (such as widgets) that he doesn't like, then his opinion (that they're not worth using) does matter and that makes it ok to not have them.

It comes off as a weird form of Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2013-01-08 11:17:52 PM  
General public is too stupid for android. I worked cell phone retail for 10 years, saw the dawn and rise of it all. Customer service and technical support ratio for android vs apple was seriously 10:1 yet sales of apple vs android was 10:1.

Yes I'm a fanboy. I'm a huge fan of selling shiat that sells and never comes back.
 
2013-01-09 01:58:22 AM  

moothemagiccow: The photo sharing thing is kind of terrible. The process is: ready thing to be sent, while holding phones together, press send on one phone. When prompted, press receive on other phone. The initial distance is too short. I did it with a friend and he didn't want to actually let go of his phone to facilitate the transfer. I imagine it'd be more awkward with business associate who thinks maybe they have that feature.


On Windows Phones it is actually quite a bit more intuitive. You just go to the photo, go to the options and select share, pick out Tap + Send from the really long list of ways to share the photo, then it activates NFC. You then just tap the back of the phone with another NFC enabled Windows device (WP8 phone, Win RT tablet, or Win 8 computer) and then the receiving device prompts you to allow the transfer. You don't have to hold the devices together when you do it, just a quick tap does it. It makes way more sense than the method you describe.
 
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