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2013-01-07 12:23:59 PM  

sjmcc13: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Which is the problem really. Most people do not understand or what to understand how their computer works.
Peopel just want to use it, and not understandanything, and not have to bother with things like making sure there is not software that is better suited for their needs out there.


Apple has always wanted simplicity from their products. Linux is about adaptation. Windows is about availability. None of these will work right all the time, but each strives for consistency. Consistency provides comfort for users looking dfor a product that works without necessarily caring how.

For most, ignorance is still bliss.

/read the article from my Toshiba Excite
 
2013-01-07 12:24:22 PM  

pastorkius: thornhill: browntimmy: thornhill:
And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

So it sounds like they don't need anything better than a $299 laptop for that, isn't a $1500 Macbook a tad excessive?

If you haven't noticed, Apple makes practically no money from their computers.

That's one of the undeniable geniuses of Steve Jobs. He realized that they were never going to breakthrough in the PC market, so they stopped trying and sought dominance in other markets that were still nascent, most notably portable digital music players. The result is tons of people with Windows PCs who also iPhones, iPods and iPads.

You're kidding, right? Link
2012 SEC Filing (Scroll to Net Sales)
Total Mac net sales in thousands millions of dollars
2012: $23,221 +7%
2011: $21,783 +25%
2010: $17,479
They continue to make a ton of money on their computers which have a relatively large profit margin.


Oops, FTFM, I read millions and wrote thousands.
 
2013-01-07 12:25:04 PM  

RexTalionis: My experience with Apple Maps is that 80% of the time, it's just fine, but when it fails it'll either fail catastrphically (i.e. it leads you to the wrong place) or it'll fail in an extremely annoying fashion. When Apple Maps first launched, I decided to take it on a test run to the post office. It took Apple Maps 35 minutes to go less than 8 miles down the road, often taking me on a bunch of circuitous backwoods detours for no apparent reason.


I could counter with a Google maps incident where I was looking for a Verizon store near my work.

The first closest store Google showed me was actually a high school football field. The second one showed a location on the map, but then gave the message that it was unable to find a route to it). The third was an AT&T store, with the actual Verizon store across the street and half a block away.

And similarly, there is a certain part of the greater Boston area that no GPS device I've ever used has gotten right.

They can all fail spectacularly.
 
2013-01-07 12:27:22 PM  

mccallcl: GameSprocket: Used to be free, dammit!

System 8 retailed at $99 in 1997:

http://news.cnet.com/Mac-OS-8-has-arrived/2100-1001_3-201615.html

Know your roots, son


My roots are in Systems 6 and 7.
 
2013-01-07 12:33:19 PM  

GameSprocket: Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone


Direct access of a shared directory of an arbitrary file server.

Game over. I win.
 
2013-01-07 12:34:22 PM  

GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.


1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.
2. NFC
3. Multiple app stores and side loading(without rooting, so leave the jailbreak argument at the door)
4. larger screen
5. third party keyboards
6. third party browsers
7. attaching files other than video or images to email
8. visible file system
9. iphone 5 has no haptic feedback
10. no wireless charging
 
2013-01-07 12:37:26 PM  

theflatline: 1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.


Although I learned how to make ringtones for my iPhone from music (on my computer), and it's not that difficult of a process, this was by far one of the most flabbergasting deficiencies of the iPhone to me. Hell, even my ancient Blackberry could do this.
 
2013-01-07 12:50:38 PM  

Linux_Yes: i could not care less about Apple because Linux and Open Source software is available. without Open Source, then and only then would i be interested in Apple.

Apple is alot better than Windblows, but not as good as Linux/Open Source.


Which is fine for code monkeys. As someone who just wants to tinker with photos, audio, video, and web pages, Apple is just fine.

The whole reason I got away from Windows in the first place was that I got tired of spending just as much time manta inning the computer as I did using it. I am not, nor do I ever want to be, a programmer; as far as I'm concerned, digging into the OS to replace a line of code is like having to solder electrical connections in my microwave to make a popcorn preset.

Sh*t should just work when I get it home and turn it on.

/nothing against code monkeys
//so long as they hold nothing against me
 
2013-01-07 12:51:22 PM  

theflatline: GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.

1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.
2. NFC
3. Multiple app stores and side loading(without rooting, so leave the jailbreak argument at the door)
4. larger screen
5. third party keyboards
6. third party browsers
7. attaching files other than video or images to email
8. visible file system
9. iphone 5 has no haptic feedback
10. no wireless charging


1. You can easily create your own ring tones, and the use of an app counts as functionality,
2. I submit that you can't really use NFC on any phone because someone needs to actually support it first.
3. Multiple app stores is actually a detraction more than a benefit if the required apps are available at the one app store.
4. Larger screen is not a function.
5. iOS supports any bluetooth keyboard.
6. The Apple app store list many third-party browsers. Also, browsing the Web is a function, using a particular browser is not.
7. iOS allows the attachment of documents as well. You just attach them from within the particular app. This makes sense when there is no shared file system.
8. Visible file system is not a function. If you can find what you are looking for, the method is unimportant.
9. Method, not function.
10. If you really want wireless charging, you can get it though an accessory. It is really kind of stupid anyway. You really can't be bothered to put the phone in a dock rather than just set it in a particular spot?

So, you get half a point for your item about iOS device not support some technology that is not widely used in the first place. The rest is all personal preference about how you want to be able to do things. Both phones are capable of the same functionality.
 
2013-01-07 12:52:09 PM  
"Manta inning"?

WTF, autocorrect?

/MAINTAINING
 
2013-01-07 12:56:02 PM  

JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?


que? why?
 
2013-01-07 01:00:34 PM  

GameSprocket: theflatline: GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.

1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.
2. NFC
3. Multiple app stores and side loading(without rooting, so leave the jailbreak argument at the door)
4. larger screen
5. third party keyboards
6. third party browsers
7. attaching files other than video or images to email
8. visible file system
9. iphone 5 has no haptic feedback
10. no wireless charging

1. You can easily create your own ring tones, and the use of an app counts as functionality,
2. I submit that you can't really use NFC on any phone because someone needs to actually support it first.
3. Multiple app stores is actually a detraction more than a benefit if the required apps are available at the one app store.
4. Larger screen is not a function.
5. iOS supports any bluetooth keyboard.
6. The Apple app store list many third-party browsers. Also, browsing the Web is a function, using a particular browser is not.
7. iOS allows the attachment of documents as well. You just attach them from within the particular app. This makes sense when there is no shared file system.
8. Visible file system is not a function. If you can find what you are looking for, the method is unimportant.
9. Method, not function.
10. If you really want wireless charging, you can get it though an accessory. It is really kind of stupid anyway. You really can't be bothered to put the phone in a dock rather than just set it in a particular spot?

So, you get half a point for your item about iOS device not support some technology that is not widely used in the first place. The rest is all personal preference about how you want to be able to do things. Both phones are capable of the same functionality.


2. NFC works with other phones for sharing files.

4. He's talking about third party keyboard apps. Like SwiftKey which is far superior than the default iPhone app.

6. Although iPhones support third party browsers, you cannot set them as the default browser. Dolphin is way better than Chrome and Safari.
 
2013-01-07 01:04:40 PM  

thornhill: Again, a level of minutia that the average user doesn't care about. You can view Word and PDF attachments on an iPhone -- that's good enough for most people (especially those who don't want to think about how to open an attachment).

That's one of the things Apple does really well -- they understand who the average computer user is and the experience they want.

And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


Here, I have a problem with IOS, and I'm not a nerdgrade user. I just want to be able to access my files on Dropbox, edit and add to them, and then save them back into Dropbox. I had an iPad and found I couldn't do this conveniently.

So, I'm getting a Samsung 2S. It'll be okay for what I need.
 
2013-01-07 01:15:19 PM  

wholedamnshow: 2. NFC works with other phones for sharing files.

4. He's talking about third party keyboard apps. Like SwiftKey which is far superior than the default iPhone app.

6. Although iPhones support third party browsers, you cannot set them as the default browser. Dolphin is way better than Chrome and Safari.



2. Ok, I'll give in on that. Apple seems to think that I only ever need to share documents among my own devices.

4. Ooooh. I was wondering why that was there. I would argue that we are in the "personal preference" area here.

6. Again, personal preference. There is a distinction to be made in Apple's refusal to at least create an API that allows links to open other browsers. If they are approving the browsers, they really can't claim a security problem.
 
2013-01-07 01:16:34 PM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.

I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.

I don't think Androids are all that much cheaper than Apple devices. The newest iPhones are $199 (for base iPhone 5), $99 (for base iPhone 4S) and $0.99 (for iPhone 4). That's pretty comparable to the Android pricing (a Galaxy S3 is $199 subsidized for the base model), for instance, and there are myriad mid-range Android phones clocking in at $99 dollars or less.

If anything, Android phones are more expensive the iPhones - there are premium Android phones which run you $299 for the phone after subsidization.


Subsidized price isn't what it costs. Just because a carrier chooses to pay a higher subsidy. The iPhone5 costs $750+
 
2013-01-07 01:17:30 PM  

steamingpile: Android is more stable than iOS at this time but of course if you put an new os on an old device then its not going to perform as well, just like my old iPhone 3G ran like shiat after a few updates when the 4 came out.


Um, no. It's not.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 is not at all what I would call stable. Randoms shutdowns, erratic battery times. And if you go to other boards, you will see that this is not a unique problem.
Meanwhile, my wife's iPhone 4 chugs away with no problems.
 
2013-01-07 01:19:19 PM  

burndtdan: I agree with his contention that the Apple Maps fiasco was mostly blown out of proportions and that Google Maps has also led me astray before.


I thought that part in the troll article was amusing. If he was in the parking lot and it told him the closest one was miles away, that is because the Apple GPS antenna was malfunctioning, not because of a Google Maps error.
 
2013-01-07 01:23:39 PM  
More importantly how cool would it be if there were two, three, or five companies out there like Apple who were able to figure out what we wanted before we wanted it?

Apple doesn't figure out what you want before you want it. They develop something and then convince you that it's what you wanted all along. Don't like the fact that you can't add widgets and a hidden application screen on your iPhone? Apple will just convince you that you don't want to be able to customize it anyway. Same goes through the Apple line. Don't like the keyboard? The problem is with you, not the design.
 
2013-01-07 01:27:39 PM  

GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.


Every app in the app store has a unique function?

When you remove all the "fart sounds" apps you lose about 35% of the app store. When you lump all games as "games" you lose another 45% to one function. Etc.

A task to do on the iPhone?

1.) Browse a file system.

Apple can't do that :(

2.) Save a file to a specific location, selected by the user.

Apple can't do that :(

3.) Delete the Facebook app.

Apple can't do that :(


The list goes on and on.
 
2013-01-07 01:27:47 PM  

RexTalionis: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x479]


It was just really hot that day, that's just Apple's new 'LiveCast Weather' feature...
 
2013-01-07 01:31:23 PM  
So maybe the Apple fans can explain one thing to me...

At the moment, it sounds like the Ap Store and Google Play are roughly even at about 700,000-800,000 apps. On my Android, I can change the messaging client, the email client, the launcher, the lockscreen, the keyboard, the launcher, and more. On the iPhone, I can do none of this.

There are many, MANY options for each of these in the Google PLay store. What the FARK is in the Apple store? Fart apps? Hot chick calendars? Seriously, with so many items not available on the iPhone, what is in that damned store?
 
2013-01-07 01:35:14 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.


I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.
 
2013-01-07 01:45:29 PM  

Bullseyed: A task to do on the iPhone?

1.) Browse a file system.

Apple can't do that :(

2.) Save a file to a specific location, selected by the user.

Apple can't do that :(

3.) Delete the Facebook app.

Apple can't do that :(


The list goes on and on.



1. Browse what file system? I can connect back and browse my home system. I can FTP to a remote system. I can use an number of other remote access apps to browse file systems. Not sure what you are looking for.

2. Why? If I am saving a Pages document, it is accessible through Pages or I can save it to iCloud or share it through mail or another system. Why should I care where it physically exists if I know how to access it. You are stuck in desktop mode.

3. I can't delete the Facebook app? I must be a genius because I just did it. You could make the claim about the stupid "Newsstand" app, but removing functionality is an odd form of "function" to bicker about.
 
2013-01-07 01:47:11 PM  

s2s2s2: likefunbutnot: The standard line is more like "Android applications are not as mature as the iOS versions." The people who say things like that invariably cannot explain what it means.

All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability. Many people don't care. Works is works, no matter if it is "stuck in 2007".

"But I can change my font!"

:I


You can change your font, your entire UI, use SD Cards, use Flash, use Emulators and ROMs, pretty much any video format, you can download a PDF easily, you can download any file you want easily, and many other things Apple prevents you from doing so you don't accidentally hurt yourself. I agree that most people don't care, and for them an iPhone is fine but for the rest of us who know how to use a computer we'd rather not feel like we're constrained by parental controls from father Jobs.
 
2013-01-07 01:50:34 PM  

GameSprocket: 1. Browse what file system? I can connect back and browse my home system. I can FTP to a remote system. I can use an number of other remote access apps to browse file systems. Not sure what you are looking for.


The iOS device has an underlying file system. It is not exposed to much of anything, but it certainly does exist. You know that and you're choosing to be obtuse.

Likewise, the iThing is not able to speak either SMB, NFS or WebDAV to access filesystems remotely from the device and can't do it at all without being rooted... whereupon it immediately become capable of doing so because the only real reason it can't is that Apple doesn't want it to.

This is a really ridiculous limitation for something that could even in theory be used as a business tool.
 
2013-01-07 01:55:25 PM  

dehehn: use Flash


To be fair, only devices that were released prior to Adobe's decision to end flash support can "officially" use it. So Galaxy S3s can but Kindle Fire HDs can't. Flash is stupid and I think Adobe should be collectively murdered for inflicting deeply shiatty software on the world, but I also think it's necessary for a fully-functional web-browsing experience.

Also, Dolphin (which, IIRC renders the Flash objects remotely on their servers) DOES handle Flash even on limited-functionality systems like iThings.
 
2013-01-07 01:56:58 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.


I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.
 
2013-01-07 01:57:37 PM  

GameSprocket: mccallcl: GameSprocket: Used to be free, dammit!

System 8 retailed at $99 in 1997:

http://news.cnet.com/Mac-OS-8-has-arrived/2100-1001_3-201615.html

Know your roots, son

My roots are in Systems 6 and 7.


Then why would you think system updates are free? They used to come on stacks of floppy disks! They cost postage at least... I remember OS components like certain print drivers and other system tools being sold seperate back in the day. Apple software used to be a lot more expensive than it is now!
 
2013-01-07 01:58:44 PM  

JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?


NFC does a hell of a lot more than just mobile payments. You also can use it to share files between phones, share contacts and web pages, and pair with Bluetooth accessories just by tapping the phone to the speaker ir headset. Samsung also has a TecTiles app that lets you program your phone to do certain actions when you tap it to a tag, like changing from silent to a regular ringtone profile, or opening a specific app.
 
2013-01-07 02:05:48 PM  
Apple is doing NFC on the next iteration of the iphone because of two reasons.

1. Planned obsolescence.  They are working on a system of payments to monetize it so they get a chunk of each transaction.  Cannot blame them for wanting to make money. Though they want to make it on the upgrades and the percentage taken on payments.

2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.
 
2013-01-07 02:07:16 PM  

likefunbutnot: GameSprocket: 1. Browse what file system? I can connect back and browse my home system. I can FTP to a remote system. I can use an number of other remote access apps to browse file systems. Not sure what you are looking for.

The iOS device has an underlying file system. It is not exposed to much of anything, but it certainly does exist. You know that and you're choosing to be obtuse.

Likewise, the iThing is not able to speak either SMB, NFS or WebDAV to access filesystems remotely from the device and can't do it at all without being rooted... whereupon it immediately become capable of doing so because the only real reason it can't is that Apple doesn't want it to.

This is a really ridiculous limitation for something that could even in theory be used as a business tool.


Dude nobody cares about enterprise dinosaur bullshiat like file servers with all your departmental file organized by folders. That shiat is ridiculous, put things where they go. Also you're going to find out that no one cares about enterprise email, enterprise messaging or frankly enterprise anything.

The enterprise has officially failed at IT. It's just taking them five years to realize it. I for one do not want my phone to end up like my work laptop, which is the least productive computing device in my arsenal.
 
2013-01-07 02:10:20 PM  

theflatline: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.

I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.


AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.
 
2013-01-07 02:12:08 PM  
"A few years ago Google tried to sell an iPhone competitor on honest terms, with the Nexus One running the Android 1.0 software. It was pretty far behind the iPhone in terms of usability, but it showed promise. Trouble is, it didn't sell well.

Google then decided it was more interested in winning than in being any good, so it killed off its own hardware and gave the Android software away to soulless vendors like Samsung and encouraged them to slap it onto any random hardware they wanted."


I dint know where to start with how wrong this is. The Nexus One was launched with Android 2.1, after the T-Mobile G1 and MyTouch handsets which had 1.x versions of Android. I think Samsung also had the original Galaxy (the fugly model prior to the S-models) and Moto had the Backflip prior to the Nexus One. The Nexus models have always been a more developer or tinkerer focused model, and really never got wide distribution outside of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus (which turned into a mess because Verizon was slow to allow updates and blocked Google Wallet). They were never intended to be a huge seller like the Galaxy S III.
 
2013-01-07 02:15:45 PM  

Linux_Yes: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Google and Samsung are "rogue companies"? This guy writes complete gibberish.


'rogue' is his definition of leaders in their industries.


i1197.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-07 02:16:11 PM  

mccallcl: Also you're going to find out that no one cares about enterprise email, enterprise messaging or frankly enterprise anything.


I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if you actually believe this crap.

I can say that I know a bunch businesses as small as five or six people and as big as Price Waterhouse Coopers that go through completely batshiat insane gymnastics to make ithings worth have a crap in their organizations.
 
2013-01-07 02:20:38 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: theflatline: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.

I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.

AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.


My skyrocket is with Tmobile, though I work for the other carrier, the one you are with.  And because tmobile lets me do wifi calling at home and out of the country, that is where I will stay.
 
2013-01-07 02:26:23 PM  
GameSprocket

Since earlier I was just clarifying someone else's posts on Android vs iOS, I'll write my own reasons why I think Android is better.

1. Widget support. You or others may not think it's a big deal, but I do. From scrolling through scores on my home screen, to quickly being able to take a picture and having it automatically saved to Evernote to seeing my Facebook news feed on my home screen, widgets are just the best. These also toggle basic functions like Wi-Fi, blue tooth, GPS, 4G without having to go through any additional menus or dropdowns.

2.Customization. Launchers, themes, icon packs, super clocks, battery bars, etc are all things available on Android and not iOS. You may not like to tinker with the look and feel of your device, but I and others do.

3. Sharing files between apps. When I use the "share" feature when my browser is open, I can share the link with 14 different apps. This makes posting a link to facebook (or a friend's facebook wall for that matter) or sending the link to a friend via text or email much faster than having to separately open the app to do this. This same functionality exists for other things like pictures.

4.Changing default apps. I like using Dolphin as my browser. I can't farking stand Chrome, the old Android browser, or Safari for that matter. They all suck compared to Dolphin in my opinion. Sure you can use Dolphin on iOS, but you can't change it as the default browser. Also, iOS keyboard sucks. Android's isn't great, but it's certainly better than iOS simply because of long-press. I use SwiftKey myself and the word prediction and customization of it is awesome. But you can't change the default keyboard app on iOS.

5. Interaction with computer. If I have music files or movies or tv shows on my computer that I want on my phone or tablet, I just copy the file over. My computer just sees my phone the same as any external drive. I don't have to go through iTunes or any other bullshiat third party program to do this. Before you rave about how great iTunes is, there's an app for Android called Doubletwist that's pretty much the same as iTunes if that's what you like.

6. Free built-in GPS based on Google Maps. It's awesome. Not sure how else to describe it. Miss Xanok has a Tom-Tom and it's nowhere near as good as my phone's GPS.

7. Removable battery and SD card slot This is really just a matter of having many choices for Android and only one with iPhone. These features are available for some Android phones but not for others. I personally love having an SD card slot. My 32GB of Class 10 additional storage cost me $30. Choosing the 32gb iPhone 5 over the 16gb version costs $100 extra.

So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?
 
2013-01-07 02:27:36 PM  

mccallcl: GameSprocket: mccallcl: GameSprocket: Used to be free, dammit!

System 8 retailed at $99 in 1997:

http://news.cnet.com/Mac-OS-8-has-arrived/2100-1001_3-201615.html

Know your roots, son

My roots are in Systems 6 and 7.

Then why would you think system updates are free? They used to come on stacks of floppy disks! They cost postage at least... I remember OS components like certain print drivers and other system tools being sold seperate back in the day. Apple software used to be a lot more expensive than it is now!


Man, you are being pedantic about this. System 7 was freely distributable and downloadable from AOL (among others). It was also available on CD from some magazines and from every Mac-friendly BBS. Yeah, you couldn't go to "Software Updates" to get it because that mechanism did not exist.

I guess you can say that it required electricity and was therefore not "free".
 
2013-01-07 02:28:42 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.


Nexus devices don't have SD slots any more and haven't for a while now (See Nexus 7, Nexus 10, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S).
 
2013-01-07 02:34:15 PM  
I remember how some years ago the apple-haters all said how stupid iPads were and no one would want one. These of course are the same exact people who are now telling me how awesome their android tablets are.

Same thing with Nintendo. I remember them all saying how motion control was a "fad" and a "gimmick" and now they all are telling us how awesome their xbox kinetic is.

Serious people it's just a tool you use stop defining you life based on it and getting so crazy because other people like a product you don't.
 
2013-01-07 02:38:04 PM  

Corvus: I remember how some years ago the apple-haters all said how stupid iPads were and no one would want one. These of course are the same exact people who are now telling me how awesome their android tablets are.

Same thing with Nintendo. I remember them all saying how motion control was a "fad" and a "gimmick" and now they all are telling us how awesome their xbox kinetic is.

Serious people it's just a tool you use stop defining you life based on it and getting so crazy because other people like a product you don't.


How many people still use their Wii, as compared to how many people are still developing for the Kinect?

No one said the Ipad was stupid, though Jobs said there would not be a smaller one...
 
2013-01-07 02:38:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Of course Amazon wanted to win as well, so it stuffed a fragment of the Android software onto cheap hardware which can't run it right, and the resulting "Kindle Fire" is quite possibly the worst major tech product ever made.

Yeah, people simply loathe their Kindle Fires.


My wife gave her away after about a month. Because of the aspect ratio being different then all other platforms every game she played on it was some bastardized version that didn't work well. I guess it's ok if all you do is read books, watch movies and browse the internet.
 
2013-01-07 02:40:31 PM  

wholedamnshow: So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?


I'm nominally an IT trainer in my day job and I will say that it is a hell of a lot easier to tell someone how to use istuff because the experience is the same on every device. Android device vendors can choose to load and use the default Google applications (as long as they pay the $4 licensing fee, anyway), but there are all kinds of hilarious gotchas that exist because for example one vendor uses the standard calendar app and another one replaced it with their version and they're probably both named "Calendar."

It also deeply, deeply sucks that there are Android devices in the world that can't talk to the Play store without rooting the OS. The Kindle and Nook are both in that category, as are dozens of for-shiat sub-$100 tablets that people get from places like Big Lots and QVC.
 
2013-01-07 02:41:30 PM  

theflatline: Corvus: I remember how some years ago the apple-haters all said how stupid iPads were and no one would want one. These of course are the same exact people who are now telling me how awesome their android tablets are.

Same thing with Nintendo. I remember them all saying how motion control was a "fad" and a "gimmick" and now they all are telling us how awesome their xbox kinetic is.

Serious people it's just a tool you use stop defining you life based on it and getting so crazy because other people like a product you don't.

How many people still use their Wii, as compared to how many people are still developing for the Kinect?

No one said the Ipad was stupid, though Jobs said there would not be a smaller one...


I used my wii yesterday. Besides that is not my point at all. My point is there is a group of people who say they hate something but then when the company like Google or MS comes out with a similar thing they say they love it and it's amazing. Even though they said the concept is stupid.

Yes, Yes MANY people said the iPad was stupid when it came up. There were threads on FARK with the same people in here saying "Why would ANYONE every use something like an iPad when they could use a laptop instead". Many, many anti-apple people said that.
 
2013-01-07 02:42:19 PM  

GameSprocket: 4. Ooooh. I was wondering why that was there. I would argue that we are in the "personal preference" area here.


Well that's the argument, isn't it? If the phone doesn't support an option that has a large following, it's a deficiency they should address, don't you think? That's always been the issue between PC and Mac. The Apple philosophy isn't really "Think Different", it's "Your preferences would be better if they were our preferences".
 
2013-01-07 02:59:35 PM  

Corvus: My wife gave her away after about a month. Because of the aspect ratio being different then all other platforms


OK I am not sure what that could be about. The original Fire has the same 1024x600, 16x9 screen as just about every 7" Android tablet. There ARE some apps that offer both a large screen and small screen version for a slightly different experience, but those things don't usually kick in until you get to 1280x800 screens which are most often found on larger-than-7"-screen devices.
 
2013-01-07 03:00:27 PM  

wholedamnshow: 1. Widget support.


1. Widget support. I hate widgets. That is just my personal preference. I don't even use them on the desktop. I find them distracting.

2.Customization. Ok, I can only change the wallpaper and sounds, but that is all I care about anyway. The apps control their own UI and I should not be in the OS long enough to care about how the buttons look.

3. Sharing files between apps.
Not really sure what to tell you. Depending on the file type, I can send it to pretty much any app that handles that type. PDFs give me the following choices: iBooks, Mail, Print, Quick Look, Ignition, Kindle, GoToMeeting, Dropbox, Evernote, Box (dropbox), and Google Drive. What am I missing?

4.Changing default apps. That could be annoying. I am not bothered by it much as the defaults seem to work pretty well. They should make that an API call and system setting (like MIME types).

5. Interaction with computer All my movies and songs are in iTunes. This may be a Mac/PC thing as I understand that the Windows iTunes sucks donkeys. I actually just stream movies and music from my home system and so I don't load much on my phone.

6. Free built-in GPS based on Google Maps iOS has that. It just isn't the default anymore. If Google hadn't restricted Apple from making turn-by-turn available, they could have still been the default. I actually use Waze anyway. It is much better.

7. Removable battery and SD card slot
The SD thing is less and less of an issue due to wireless data access. The battery thing is a pain once in a great while. The new connector caused me a substantial amount of anger as Apple didn't have the adapters readily available so for a while I had exactly one cord to charge with and no way to use external batteries. Once the vendors catch up, the cases with integrated batteries work great.


So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?

Get me to buy it? Run all the apps I had already bought before it came out? Snark aside, my original point was that both iOS and Android phones can do pretty much everything, so asking me to refute my own point seems odd.

I use an iPhone because I already invested in the infrastructure before any truly competitive Android phones came along. I also use a Mac at home so I get some synergy there. It does what I need it to do without making me think about it a lot. That is what a consumer device should do.
 
2013-01-07 03:08:43 PM  

GameSprocket: wholedamnshow: 1. Widget support.

1. Widget support. I hate widgets. That is just my personal preference. I don't even use them on the desktop. I find them distracting.

2.Customization. Ok, I can only change the wallpaper and sounds, but that is all I care about anyway. The apps control their own UI and I should not be in the OS long enough to care about how the buttons look.

3. Sharing files between apps. Not really sure what to tell you. Depending on the file type, I can send it to pretty much any app that handles that type. PDFs give me the following choices: iBooks, Mail, Print, Quick Look, Ignition, Kindle, GoToMeeting, Dropbox, Evernote, Box (dropbox), and Google Drive. What am I missing?

4.Changing default apps. That could be annoying. I am not bothered by it much as the defaults seem to work pretty well. They should make that an API call and system setting (like MIME types).

5. Interaction with computer All my movies and songs are in iTunes. This may be a Mac/PC thing as I understand that the Windows iTunes sucks donkeys. I actually just stream movies and music from my home system and so I don't load much on my phone.

6. Free built-in GPS based on Google Maps iOS has that. It just isn't the default anymore. If Google hadn't restricted Apple from making turn-by-turn available, they could have still been the default. I actually use Waze anyway. It is much better.

7. Removable battery and SD card slot The SD thing is less and less of an issue due to wireless data access. The battery thing is a pain once in a great while. The new connector caused me a substantial amount of anger as Apple didn't have the adapters readily available so for a while I had exactly one cord to charge with and no way to use external batteries. Once the vendors catch up, the cases with integrated batteries work great.


So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?

Get me to buy it? Run all the apps I had already bought before it came out? Snark aside, my original point wa ...


never discount the ability of people to make smartphone debates look dumber than video game console debates
 
2013-01-07 03:27:19 PM  

GameSprocket: 3. Sharing files between apps. Not really sure what to tell you. Depending on the file type, I can send it to pretty much any app that handles that type. PDFs give me the following choices: iBooks, Mail, Print, Quick Look, Ignition, Kindle, GoToMeeting, Dropbox, Evernote, Box (dropbox), and Google Drive. What am I missing?


The first thing you're missing is that there are fixed, objective goal posts that do not move. Yours keep moving. Just because you are not using some functionality does not mean that no one else wants or needs it.

But let's start with this one: I see a picture I like while I'm browsing the web. I can choose to Share it, which brings up a ridiculously long list of different places that my device can send it. Happily, this list is also uniform across all my applications, not limited to what the developer chose to allow. So I can share through Bluetooth or SMS or an open IM session or Picasa or Facebook or whatever the hell else is on that menu. Because I'm using Android, I can also REPLACE the OS component used to handle data sharing with a different one that allows me to fully edit that list (the app is called Andmade, if anyone is interested), so if I know that I'm never, ever going to share with Facebook, I can take it off the list.

GameSprocket: All my movies and songs are in iTunes.


I don't even allow itunes on my OS X machine. It's a ridiculous and arbitrary limitation of Apple's architecture. I won't even get in to how shiatty Apple's media formatting requirements are.

One of my tablets has 128GB of disk space (64GB + 64GB card). A few weeks ago I saved a 50GB Windows system image on it because it was handy and had the disk space for it. I just used the tablet as a big disk drive. It worked fine. iOS won't even let users store files unless they're associated with an application on the device, and even then you're more or less stuck doing the data transfer through itunes or some cloud storage service.

GameSprocket: That is what a consumer device should do.


It seems to me that you're allowing Apple to dictate your understanding of what a device should do.
 
2013-01-07 03:30:49 PM  
theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.
 
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