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(Beatweek Magazine)   Apple-envy keeps companies like Google from achieving greatness   (beatweek.com) divider line 188
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2013-01-07 09:14:19 AM  
He refers to Apple competitors like Google and Microsoft as "villains" and he wonders why people don't take him seriously.
 
2013-01-07 09:16:31 AM  
Any hardware running Android is broken by definition, giving you no chance of having a full product experience and no ability to take full advantage of any cool features your hardware does have. That makes every Samsung smartphone and tablet an inadvisable buy, even before you get into the misleading specs on devices like the Galaxy S III which are designed to sound like they're on par with the iPhone but are actually far behind and second rate despite having the same price tag as an iPhone. Android is for, in a word, suckers.

Okay, this guy has to be trolling.
 
2013-01-07 09:23:11 AM  
Of course Amazon wanted to win as well, so it stuffed a fragment of the Android software onto cheap hardware which can't run it right, and the resulting "Kindle Fire" is quite possibly the worst major tech product ever made.

Yeah, people simply loathe their Kindle Fires.
 
2013-01-07 09:23:14 AM  
Rrriiiight.
 
2013-01-07 09:24:05 AM  
Google and Samsung are "rogue companies"? This guy writes complete gibberish.
 
2013-01-07 09:24:38 AM  

RexTalionis: Any hardware running Android is broken by definition, giving you no chance of having a full product experience and no ability to take full advantage of any cool features your hardware does have. That makes every Samsung smartphone and tablet an inadvisable buy, even before you get into the misleading specs on devices like the Galaxy S III which are designed to sound like they're on par with the iPhone but are actually far behind and second rate despite having the same price tag as an iPhone. Android is for, in a word, suckers.

Okay, this guy has to be trolling.


Yeah I thought that the before the first ad break, I actually started thinking, is this from the onion?

Android is more stable than iOS at this time but of course if you put an new os on an old device then its not going to perform as well, just like my old iPhone 3G ran like shiat after a few updates when the 4 came out.

Trolly writer does a good job, he can expect a flood of emails calling out his apple worship, especially since all the devices people are looking forward to buying are not apples.
 
2013-01-07 09:26:20 AM  
Electronic brand association has replaced for many the touchstone of identity that was once provided by nationality, race, or religion.

It's a whacky prediction, but it isn't impossible that in the future there will be hate crimes perpetrated not on the basis of sexuality, race, or religion - but instead on loyalty to a particular brand.
 
2013-01-07 09:26:25 AM  
Also:

But the truth is you only think you're happy with Android because you've never used a legitimate smartphone like the iPhone and you don't know what the experience is supposed to be, and if I'm going to be of any value to you then it's going to be through telling you the truth about tech whether it's what you want to hear in the moment or not. The odds are you'll thank me in the end, after you've ultimately figured out what I've already spent years learning the hard way, and it's okay if you're mad at me in the mean time.

I ditched iphone and the entire Apple suite for Android, and I couldn't be happier.

But he laid out at the beginning of the article that he isn't an Apple propagandist, so I guess this is legit.
 
2013-01-07 09:28:48 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Also:

But the truth is you only think you're happy with Android because you've never used a legitimate smartphone like the iPhone and you don't know what the experience is supposed to be, and if I'm going to be of any value to you then it's going to be through telling you the truth about tech whether it's what you want to hear in the moment or not. The odds are you'll thank me in the end, after you've ultimately figured out what I've already spent years learning the hard way, and it's okay if you're mad at me in the mean time.

I ditched iphone and the entire Apple suite for Android, and I couldn't be happier.

But he laid out at the beginning of the article that he isn't an Apple propagandist, so I guess this is legit.


I like how he makes the headline claim that the only products worth recommending in 2013 are Apple's... Which is interesting, seeing as how Apple hasn't announced any products for 2013.
 
2013-01-07 09:30:38 AM  
i could not care less about Apple because Linux and Open Source software is available. without Open Source, then and only then would i be interested in Apple.

Apple is alot better than Windblows, but not as good as Linux/Open Source.
 
2013-01-07 09:33:24 AM  
FTA: Any hardware running Android is broken by definition, giving you no chance of having a full product experience and no ability to take full advantage of any cool features your hardware does have.


If you ask the Apple people, a "full smartphone experience" apparently resorts to dozens or hundreds of stupid hacks and kludgy workarounds because human beings are just way too stupid to be trusted with an exposed filesystem. Every time I have to figure out how to do something non-obvious with an ithing, the instructions start "Get a Dropbox account..."
 
2013-01-07 09:33:28 AM  

RexTalionis: I like how he makes the headline claim that the only products worth recommending in 2013 are Apple's... Which is interesting, seeing as how Apple hasn't announced any products for 2013.


Well there will be an iPhone, an iPad, iPod. Nobody knows what they will be like or do, but anybody can predict they'll be released so they must be good.

With Steve Jobs dead, who at Apple is the author fellating? Because he has remarkable deep throat skills.
 
2013-01-07 09:33:48 AM  
Hey Bill, the Linux based Android runs on 72% of the world's smartphones. so tell me again how it isn't working out?


just thought you might want to be updated.
 
2013-01-07 09:34:55 AM  

RexTalionis: He refers to Apple competitors like Google and Microsoft as "villains" and he wonders why people don't take him seriously.



he apparently hasn't had a pony lick his pole in quite a while.
 
2013-01-07 09:36:15 AM  
Who the hell IS this idiot?
 
2013-01-07 09:36:15 AM  
 
2013-01-07 09:36:23 AM  

RexTalionis: Any hardware running Android is broken by definition, giving you no chance of having a full product experience and no ability to take full advantage of any cool features your hardware does have. That makes every Samsung smartphone and tablet an inadvisable buy, even before you get into the misleading specs on devices like the Galaxy S III which are designed to sound like they're on par with the iPhone but are actually far behind and second rate despite having the same price tag as an iPhone. Android is for, in a word, suckers.

Okay, this guy has to be trolling.



72% of the world's smart phones run Android. this dude is in denial big time.
 
2013-01-07 09:37:24 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Google and Samsung are "rogue companies"? This guy writes complete gibberish.



'rogue' is his definition of leaders in their industries.
 
2013-01-07 09:37:34 AM  
ugh, I am awful at html tagging recently!
Also not making typos while i furiously type on the Internet.
 
2013-01-07 09:37:44 AM  
I have a friend that admits he has an irrational hate of Apple. At least he can admit it.
 
2013-01-07 09:38:30 AM  

Linux_Yes: Hey Bill, the Linux based Android runs on 72% of the world's smartphones. so tell me again how it isn't working out?


just thought you might want to be updated.


Also, shiatty pop music sells better than whatever you listen to. That makes it better.
 
2013-01-07 09:38:45 AM  

narkor: It's a whacky prediction, but it isn't impossible that in the future there will be hate crimes perpetrated not on the basis of sexuality, race, or religion - but instead on loyalty to a particular brand.


I'm pretty sure Cory Doctorow, Warren Ellis and/or Charles Stross is already working on some kind of science fiction with precisely that as its central point.
 
2013-01-07 09:39:01 AM  

s2s2s2: I have a friend that admits he has an irrational hate of Apple. At least he can admit it.


I don't have an irrational hate of Apple. I've got an iPhone hooked to my belt right now. I just see how far iPhones have fallen behind to Android Jelly Bean since the iPhone's UI is essentially locked in 2007.
 
2013-01-07 09:40:01 AM  
Funny comedy piece, thanks Subby!
 
2013-01-07 09:40:31 AM  
That makes every Samsung smartphone and tablet an inadvisable buy, even before you get into the misleading specs on devices like the Galaxy S III which are designed to sound like they're on par with the iPhone but are actually far behind and second rate despite having the same price tag as an iPhone.

As someone who replaced an iPhone4 with a GS III, I simply have to call bullshiat. But it won't do any good...

You can't reason with people who are so deeply invested in their brand loyalty. It's a curious, almost cult-like mentality. I used to joke that rabid fans took one too many sips of the kool-aid but it's deeper than that. It's as if the brand becomes a part of their personal identity. Whether they're tech geeks arguing about Apple or Linux or, back in the day, Amigas. Or Chevy vs Ford fans. (Or even Democrats vs Republicans)...It's the same mindset.

I don't get it.
 
2013-01-07 09:41:07 AM  

narkor: Electronic brand association has replaced for many the touchstone of identity that was once provided by nationality, race, or religion.

It's a whacky prediction, but it isn't impossible that in the future there will be hate crimes perpetrated not on the basis of sexuality, race, or religion - but instead on loyalty to a particular brand.


You are way behind the curve on this. This is more like how persons are identified by their clothing. And yes, there are people being attacked for not wearing the right brand of clothing.
 
2013-01-07 09:45:57 AM  

s2s2s2: I have a friend that admits he has an irrational hate of Apple. At least he can admit it.


Now if apple people could admit that they just have an irrational hatred for all things non-apple, everyone else sees it but nobody admits it. I have a couple of acquaintances who will invariably say "yeah but its no Mac, iphone, iPod, etc...." no matter what the device is or what market its supposed to fill.
 
2013-01-07 09:51:55 AM  

RexTalionis: I don't have an irrational hate of Apple. I've got an iPhone hooked to my belt right now. I just see how far iPhones have fallen behind to Android Jelly Bean since the iPhone's UI is essentially locked in 2007.


Do I know you? I mean, my default setting for all farkers IS "Friend", but ok. I have no problem with your problems with iPhone.

steamingpile: Now if apple people could admit that they just have an irrational hatred for all things non-apple


A lot of them do. I don't hate non-apple stuff, and I find android fanbois' hate far more entertaining than the Apple fanbois' hate.
 
2013-01-07 09:55:33 AM  

steamingpile: I have a couple of acquaintances who will invariably say "yeah but its no Mac, iphone, iPod, etc...." no matter what the device is or what market its supposed to fill.


The standard line is more like "Android applications are not as mature as the iOS versions." The people who say things like that invariably cannot explain what it means.
 
2013-01-07 09:56:02 AM  

arcas: You can't reason with people who are so deeply invested in their brand loyalty. It's a curious, almost cult-like mentality.


FTFY
 
2013-01-07 09:59:18 AM  

likefunbutnot: The standard line is more like "Android applications are not as mature as the iOS versions." The people who say things like that invariably cannot explain what it means.


All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability. Many people don't care. Works is works, no matter if it is "stuck in 2007".

"But I can change my font!"

:I
 
2013-01-07 10:00:04 AM  
Every company has flaws.

Apple ("You don't need that."):
Hiding complexity to the point where it actually hinders capability (see the new Airport utility).
Developing ecosystems on IOS that don't integrate with OSX (podcasts, ibooks);

Google ("Oooo, shiny!"):
Releasing interesting technology without really refining the product.
Lack of focus on continuing to develop products after the initial release.

Microsoft ("Anyone know what our other teams are doing? No?"):
Products do not play well together.
Killing products with little or no warning (Silverlight, Zune, Kin)

Pick your poison.
 
2013-01-07 10:00:27 AM  

Linux_Yes: i could not care less about Apple because Linux and Open Source software is available. without Open Source, then and only then would i be interested in Apple.

Apple is alot better than Windblows, but not as good as Linux/Open Source.


Windows is better than MacOS, which is better than Linux.

Look, I like Linux, I use Linux, but there are just too many stupid oversights in Linux for me to want to use it for anything besides an Apache server (which is is great at).

And MacOS is fine, but Apple refuses to follow some pretty obvious interface conventions, and that drives me nuts. And the software selections sucks, in my opinion.

Windows has it's problems, but it does everything, and does it pretty well. It's the "jack of all trades" operating system.
 
2013-01-07 10:02:23 AM  

s2s2s2: Works is works


weknowmemes.com
 
2013-01-07 10:04:10 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-07 10:04:46 AM  

RexTalionis: s2s2s2: Works is works

[weknowmemes.com image 650x500]


That's from 2007?
 
2013-01-07 10:05:22 AM  

s2s2s2: RexTalionis: s2s2s2: Works is works

[weknowmemes.com image 650x500]

That's from 2007?


No, that's in reference to "Works is works".
 
2013-01-07 10:08:52 AM  

s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.


No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?
 
2013-01-07 10:10:29 AM  

s2s2s2: likefunbutnot: The standard line is more like "Android applications are not as mature as the iOS versions." The people who say things like that invariably cannot explain what it means.

All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability. Many people don't care. Works is works, no matter if it is "stuck in 2007".

"But I can change my font!"

:I


For me it's more "but I can change my everything". I found the iphone to be a great intro to smart phones, but after a while it felt constricting.
 
2013-01-07 10:10:29 AM  

RexTalionis: No, that's in reference to "Works is works".


Not like it's a major security flaw, or causes you to send a text to a completely wrong number.

I'll admit, the maps thing is pretty terrible, but let me know when Apple catches up to Android in total number of horrible performance/security flaws.
 
2013-01-07 10:11:28 AM  
When did "Bingethinker" start writing for Beatweek?
 
2013-01-07 10:12:01 AM  

likefunbutnot: Do I need to go on?


I'm going to guess you do.

HotWingConspiracy: For me it's more "but I can change my everything". I found the iphone to be a great intro to smart phones, but after a while it felt constricting.


ok.
 
2013-01-07 10:12:54 AM  

s2s2s2: Linux_Yes: Hey Bill, the Linux based Android runs on 72% of the world's smartphones. so tell me again how it isn't working out?


just thought you might want to be updated.

Also, shiatty pop music sells better than whatever you listen to. That makes it better.



the only difference is that listening to sh*tty pop music doessn't require you to do anything or accomplish anything. using Android does.

Linux and Open Source is the Future. get used to it.
 
2013-01-07 10:13:19 AM  

s2s2s2: RexTalionis: I don't have an irrational hate of Apple. I've got an iPhone hooked to my belt right now. I just see how far iPhones have fallen behind to Android Jelly Bean since the iPhone's UI is essentially locked in 2007.

Do I know you? I mean, my default setting for all farkers IS "Friend", but ok. I have no problem with your problems with iPhone.

steamingpile: Now if apple people could admit that they just have an irrational hatred for all things non-apple

A lot of them do. I don't hate non-apple stuff, and I find android fanbois' hate far more entertaining than the Apple fanbois' hate.


You're insane, apple people always have to say how superior an apple products are, to even say its the reverse is living with your head up Jobs decomposing ass.
 
2013-01-07 10:14:03 AM  

realmolo: Linux_Yes



and Master of none.
 
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2013-01-07 10:15:38 AM  

GameSprocket: Apple ("You don't need that."):
Hiding complexity to the point where it actually hinders capability (see the new Airport utility).


OMG don't get me started on that!

My apple fanboy brother had me look at his network because after they switched internet providers nothing was working right. I go to look at his time machine router thing's settings and all I see is a pretty picture of the earth and great renderings of the different routers and extenders he had throughout his house, each with a little green or yellow dot next to them. If I clicked on edit it allowed me to do absolutely nothing.

This was nothing at all like the last time I tried to fix someone's apple router so after a quick google search (that I was able to do by turning my hacked android phone into a wireless hotspot) I installed the earlier version of the time machine software and then I could go in and turn on NAT and other things.

What do you know? It worked! I don't even understand what the point is of the other software besides being able to look at a pretty picture of your network.
 
2013-01-07 10:17:20 AM  

s2s2s2: RexTalionis: No, that's in reference to "Works is works".

Not like it's a major security flaw, or causes you to send a text to a completely wrong number.

I'll admit, the maps thing is pretty terrible, but let me know when Apple catches up to Android in total number of horrible performance/security flaws.


Funny I have had zero security issues along with none of the family that have android devices and none of our texts have gone anywhere except where they were supposed to, sounds more like a phone/carrier issue.
 
2013-01-07 10:17:41 AM  

likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?


Lol. None of those would be a problem for the vast majority of the target audience. I suspect there is plenty of pain to go around on all the platforms when you get to development.
 
2013-01-07 10:18:28 AM  
Most geeks hate Apple, you see. They actually like the wild west nature of Android where random software runs incorrectly on mismatched hardware, because they're tinkerers at heart and they want the challenge of getting in there and reprogramming the whole thing to their heart's content. What we call practical usability, they call "closed" and "evil."

Those who would trade freedom for usability deserve to be abused by Apple.
 
2013-01-07 10:19:10 AM  

s2s2s2: RexTalionis: No, that's in reference to "Works is works".

Not like it's a major security flaw, or causes you to send a text to a completely wrong number.

I'll admit, the maps thing is pretty terrible, but let me know when Apple catches up to Android in total number of horrible performance/security flaws.


Oh, I don't know - my Android Jelly Bean devices have pretty darn good performance, especially now with frame buffer precaching a la Project Butter.

As far as security issues go, sure Apple has fewer issues (by virtue of how locked down the device is), but it's not without  problems:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/17/iphone-security-issue-opens-door -t o-sms-spoofing/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/iphone-security-issues-appl e- update_n_892203.html

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/02/10/fraunhofer-sit-exposes-more- ip hone-security-issues-cracks-passwords-in-6-minutes/

http://www.phonearena.com/news/iPhone-security-flaw-bypasses-pass-co de s-gives-access-to-contacts-list_id27137

Here's a good article on the state of iPhone security from the Security firm Sophos:
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/06/29/apple-mobile-device-secur it y/
 
2013-01-07 10:20:10 AM  

zez: GameSprocket: Apple ("You don't need that."):
Hiding complexity to the point where it actually hinders capability (see the new Airport utility).

OMG don't get me started on that!

My apple fanboy brother had me look at his network because after they switched internet providers nothing was working right. I go to look at his time machine router thing's settings and all I see is a pretty picture of the earth and great renderings of the different routers and extenders he had throughout his house, each with a little green or yellow dot next to them. If I clicked on edit it allowed me to do absolutely nothing.

This was nothing at all like the last time I tried to fix someone's apple router so after a quick google search (that I was able to do by turning my hacked android phone into a wireless hotspot) I installed the earlier version of the time machine software and then I could go in and turn on NAT and other things.

What do you know? It worked! I don't even understand what the point is of the other software besides being able to look at a pretty picture of your network.


Yeah. They made it look more IOS-like. I would rather have them make the IOS version fully functional. Why build all those capabilities into the Airports and then hide the ability to access them?
 
2013-01-07 10:23:01 AM  

Linux_Yes: Linux and Open Source is the Future. get used to it.


It's been the future for a long time, now. Like flying cars. That is what I've had plenty of time to get used to.

steamingpile: You're insane, apple people always have to say


...and there goes your credibility.

steamingpile: I have had


See. You are not an accurate measurement of what many others have experienced.
 
2013-01-07 10:25:03 AM  

likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?


And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.
 
2013-01-07 10:25:20 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Also:

But the truth is you only think you're happy with Android because you've never used a legitimate smartphone like the iPhone and you don't know what the experience is supposed to be, and if I'm going to be of any value to you then it's going to be through telling you the truth about tech whether it's what you want to hear in the moment or not. The odds are you'll thank me in the end, after you've ultimately figured out what I've already spent years learning the hard way, and it's okay if you're mad at me in the mean time.

I ditched iphone and the entire Apple suite for Android, and I couldn't be happier.

But he laid out at the beginning of the article that he isn't an Apple propagandist, so I guess this is legit.


Yeah, me, too. I'm much happier with my Galaxy phone and Kindle Fire than I was with the iPhone I had before it. I don't begrudge people their preference, though, and am not about to assume that what works best for me is best for everyone.
 
2013-01-07 10:30:51 AM  

thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.


Lots of Android users love their widgets and their Swype.
 
2013-01-07 10:33:35 AM  

thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.


Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.
 
2013-01-07 10:37:46 AM  
I don't use smartphones or pads, so I can only comment on desktop operating systems. I don't see it as a "better/worse" paradigm. To me, it's a continuum. At one end, you have Mac OS - a walled garden where the things you are allowed to do are pretty much guaranteed to work - and it comes on pretty, elegantly engineered hardware. In the middle is Windows, which runs most apps, and allows you considerable freedom - with the caveat that you will break things if you don't know what you are doing - it does require some modest degree of expertise to use optimally. At the far end is Linux, which will let you do any Goddamn thing a PC is physically capable of - IF you can figure out how - and it also benefits from "security through obscurity", on the desktop, anyway. I like them all, find them all quite useful for different things, and use them all.
I use a Macbook pro for my limited mobile computing. It's light, well-engineered, and does the few, limited things I do on the road just fine.
For media, gaming, and regular home usage it's Windows.
For online banking, shopping, and browsing *ahem* "questionable" places, it's Linux - also if I want to do some weird-ass thing I can't do in windows, or don't want to pay for an app for.
I like 'em all, and use 'em all.
Suck it, haters. :D
 
2013-01-07 10:40:34 AM  

GameSprocket: Lol. None of those would be a problem for the vast majority of the target audience.


thornhill: And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.


App sandboxing is kind of huge. As I said above, the answer to almost everything in iOS-land is "You can't do that unless you have Dropbox." On my Android devices, I can save an email attachment and open it in something else. Several something elses, even. There's also a pervasive and consistent "Share to" feature that means I don't need a bunch of weird external services just to work with the data already stored on my devices. iOS apps that DO have the ability to somehow share data only have it to the extent that it's been coded by the original developer. "Normal people" might not do that stuff very often, but they do need to do it every once in a while and it tends to be monstrously complex on the iOS side of things.
 
2013-01-07 10:43:49 AM  

likefunbutnot: GameSprocket: Lol. None of those would be a problem for the vast majority of the target audience.

thornhill: And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

App sandboxing is kind of huge. As I said above, the answer to almost everything in iOS-land is "You can't do that unless you have Dropbox." On my Android devices, I can save an email attachment and open it in something else. Several something elses, even. There's also a pervasive and consistent "Share to" feature that means I don't need a bunch of weird external services just to work with the data already stored on my devices. iOS apps that DO have the ability to somehow share data only have it to the extent that it's been coded by the original developer. "Normal people" might not do that stuff very often, but they do need to do it every once in a while and it tends to be monstrously complex on the iOS side of things.


Don't forget the ability to define default program to open a particular file format or bit of data. I know a lot of Apple users who would be very happy if an address in safari leads to Google Maps instead of Apple Maps, which the OS forces on you by default.
 
2013-01-07 10:45:14 AM  
This article is a massive troll I will not read, but the headline is partly right. Lots of companies lose their way by emulating Apple. Apple exists in a very high-margin space they created almost 30 years ago via sheer force of will and insane overtime hours, along with some luck and one crazy dude who got fired and came back.

Now every management doofus has set their sights on Apple, but Apple's brand is subsidized by 24% margins. You can't sell Windows computers that way because Windows computers carry like 3% margin. You can't sell Android phones that way because Android phones compete on price, and are all in a race to the bottom. Most importantly, you can't sell cheese dip, SAP integration, car insurance or children's footwear that way, either.

I know it's easy to just try to rip off Apple, but it works for Apple, it doesn't work for you. It doesn't work for you because you don't have the top design, process, software, management and writing talent in the world lined up outside your door. It doesn't work because you will just be late to the game and look silly. It doesn't work because while you're trying to be more Apple-y, you're competing against a company that's not even in your market sector, and you're guaranteed to lose even if they were.

Management looks at Apple and sees dollar signs. I see a colossal amount of work and talent in order to make it look easy. Let Apple have its sector and fight over the 100s of billions of dollars left in the personal computing market!
 
2013-01-07 10:50:15 AM  
FTFA:...companies out there like Apple who were able to figure out what we wanted before we wanted it?
Love this train of thought. I don't buy everything they tell me too because I'm a shill, it's because they KNOW what I want.
 
2013-01-07 10:55:13 AM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.


I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.
 
2013-01-07 10:59:50 AM  

thornhill: RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.

I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.


I don't think Androids are all that much cheaper than Apple devices. The newest iPhones are $199 (for base iPhone 5), $99 (for base iPhone 4S) and $0.99 (for iPhone 4). That's pretty comparable to the Android pricing (a Galaxy S3 is $199 subsidized for the base model), for instance, and there are myriad mid-range Android phones clocking in at $99 dollars or less.

If anything, Android phones are more expensive the iPhones - there are premium Android phones which run you $299 for the phone after subsidization.
 
2013-01-07 11:02:46 AM  

s2s2s2: Linux_Yes: Linux and Open Source is the Future. get used to it.

It's been the future for a long time, now. Like flying cars. That is what I've had plenty of time to get used to.

steamingpile: You're insane, apple people always have to say

...and there goes your credibility.

steamingpile: I have had

See. You are not an accurate measurement of what many others have experienced.


You're trolling, good job.

To even remotely think android people act more like their devices are the best thing ever more than apple folk is not reality. Android users have no issues with any OS yet if you dare mention to an apple user another OS/maker does anything better then you are just a stupid apple hater. I loved my iphone when I first used it but after time there things I wanted to do it would not let me do so I just went to android and haven't regretted it.
 
2013-01-07 11:03:25 AM  

likefunbutnot: GameSprocket: Lol. None of those would be a problem for the vast majority of the target audience.

thornhill: And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

App sandboxing is kind of huge. As I said above, the answer to almost everything in iOS-land is "You can't do that unless you have Dropbox." On my Android devices, I can save an email attachment and open it in something else. Several something elses, even. There's also a pervasive and consistent "Share to" feature that means I don't need a bunch of weird external services just to work with the data already stored on my devices. iOS apps that DO have the ability to somehow share data only have it to the extent that it's been coded by the original developer. "Normal people" might not do that stuff very often, but they do need to do it every once in a while and it tends to be monstrously complex on the iOS side of things.


Again, a level of minutia that the average user doesn't care about. You can view Word and PDF attachments on an iPhone -- that's good enough for most people (especially those who don't want to think about how to open an attachment).

That's one of the things Apple does really well -- they understand who the average computer user is and the experience they want.

And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.
 
2013-01-07 11:13:50 AM  

thornhill: RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.

I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.


Exactly. I think Android is a much better OS than iOS, but I'm a gadget geek and a tinkerer, I think that the motivations of the "average user" are wildly different from the things that are tossed around in tech geek forums.
 
2013-01-07 11:16:55 AM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.

I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.

I don't think Androids are all that much cheaper than Apple devices. The newest iPhones are $199 (for base iPhone 5), $99 (for base iPhone 4S) and $0.99 (for iPhone 4). That's pretty comparable to the Android pricing (a Galaxy S3 is $199 subsidized for the base model), for instance, and there are myriad mid-range Android phones clocking in at $99 dollars or less.

If anything, Android phones are more expensive the iPhones - there are premium Android phones which run you $299 for the phone after subsidization.


That is because apple has to allow that now, not long ago the iPhones were $299 and I think $399 for the larger capacity since you couldn't upgrade storage yourself. My sister loaded almost all her movies on small storage cards to take when camping instead of all the discs, apple can't do that, oh but its better because you can pull it off their servers!!! That does zero good when you have no signal.
 
2013-01-07 11:19:12 AM  

narkor: Electronic brand association has replaced for many the touchstone of identity that was once provided by nationality, race, or religion.

It's a whacky prediction, but it isn't impossible that in the future there will be hate crimes perpetrated not on the basis of sexuality, race, or religion - but instead on loyalty to a particular brand.


We're already there. Just ask sports fans. Wearing a hat of a team from a different city then you're currently in is enough to get you harassed and attacked.
 
2013-01-07 11:26:47 AM  
I agree with his contention that the Apple Maps fiasco was mostly blown out of proportions and that Google Maps has also led me astray before. I agree that fragmentation is a major problem for Android, and have had it happen a few times on my Nexus 7 that an app wasn't available in my version of the OS (ironically, my version was too new) and that I've never had that happen with iOS on my phone. I also agree that one major reason I never wanted to try Android was that as much as I thought the OS itself could be great, I didn't want to deal with it being shoehorned into third party hardware and overlaid with a ton of bloat.

However, though I agree on many points, this article is retarded and the author is far too willing to speak in sweeping generalities.

Futhermore, though it hasn't been a perfect experience and I have had a higher incidence rate of apps freezing or crashing on my Android tablet than I ever do on my iPhone, I have enjoyed my Android experience thus far and might consider my next phone being a Nexus device. Not for sure, because there are still some things I prefer on my iPhone (iPod integration and iMessenger being big ones there), but since it will be a few years anyways those might be moot points by then (or I might find existing solutions).

I am and always have been generally inclined to want to get away from the iPhone when a more suitable (for me) product hits the market, because I hate Mac computers with a great passion.
 
2013-01-07 11:27:12 AM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.

I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.

I don't think Androids are all that much cheaper than Apple devices. The newest iPhones are $199 (for base iPhone 5), $99 (for base iPhone 4S) and $0.99 (for iPhone 4). That's pretty comparable to the Android pricing (a Galaxy S3 is $199 subsidized for the base model), for instance, and there are myriad mid-range Android phones clocking in at $99 dollars or less.

If anything, Android phones are more expensive the iPhones - there are premium Android phones which run you $299 for the phone after subsidization.


That's not right.

Just look at Verizon or ATT's websites. There are many more Android options that come at $49 and $0.99 than iPhones. I also imagine the Android phones are better than the iPhone 4 -- what is it, 3 years old at this point?

Further, if you want to get a no contract plan, the Android phones are way cheaper than iPhones. Virgin, for instance, sells the iPhone 4 for $350; they have 4G phones for as cheap as $150, and 3G as low as $40.
 
2013-01-07 11:28:37 AM  

thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.


Which is the problem really. Most people do not understand or what to understand how their computer works.
Peopel just want to use it, and not understandanything, and not have to bother with things like making sure there is not software that is better suited for their needs out there.
 
2013-01-07 11:32:40 AM  

thornhill:
And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.


So it sounds like they don't need anything better than a $299 laptop for that, isn't a $1500 Macbook a tad excessive?
 
2013-01-07 11:33:53 AM  

burndtdan: I agree with his contention that the Apple Maps fiasco was mostly blown out of proportions and that Google Maps has also led me astray before.


The real fiasco with Apple Maps is that Apple completely underestimated how attached people were to Google Maps -- the outrage was really about a feature everyone liked being yanked. Even had Apple Maps worked perfectly, it still would have been something new that people were not used to and they still would have been upset with not having the option of a Google Maps.

One of the things Apple does well is just forcing people to use something new rather than keeping around legacy functionality (a la Microsoft), but in this case they just didn't comprehend how much Google Maps was part of the iPhone user experience.
 
2013-01-07 11:35:23 AM  

thornhill: Just look at Verizon or ATT's websites. There are many more Android options that come at $49 and $0.99 than iPhones. I also imagine the Android phones are better than the iPhone 4 -- what is it, 3 years old at this point?


Well, obviously. There are only 3 generations of the iPhone on sale at any given moment. Of COURSE there will be more Android options on the market than iPhones.

thornhill: Further, if you want to get a no contract plan, the Android phones are way cheaper than iPhones. Virgin, for instance, sells the iPhone 4 for $350; they have 4G phones for as cheap as $150, and 3G as low as $40.


The vast majority of phones in us in the US are done with a contract with a carrier - we're talking 75% of the market, here. Okay, so the no-contract phones may be cheaper, but for most people, they see the subsidized contract price.
 
2013-01-07 11:35:26 AM  

s2s2s2: likefunbutnot: The standard line is more like "Android applications are not as mature as the iOS versions." The people who say things like that invariably cannot explain what it means.

All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability. Many people don't care. Works is works, no matter if it is "stuck in 2007".

"But I can change my font!"

:I


Simplification, but it it is to be expected from an Apple user.
 
2013-01-07 11:36:03 AM  
iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.
 
2013-01-07 11:36:25 AM  

thornhill: likefunbutnot: GameSprocket: Lol. None of those would be a problem for the vast majority of the target audience.

thornhill: And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

App sandboxing is kind of huge. As I said above, the answer to almost everything in iOS-land is "You can't do that unless you have Dropbox." On my Android devices, I can save an email attachment and open it in something else. Several something elses, even. There's also a pervasive and consistent "Share to" feature that means I don't need a bunch of weird external services just to work with the data already stored on my devices. iOS apps that DO have the ability to somehow share data only have it to the extent that it's been coded by the original developer. "Normal people" might not do that stuff very often, but they do need to do it every once in a while and it tends to be monstrously complex on the iOS side of things.

Again, a level of minutia that the average user doesn't care about. You can view Word and PDF attachments on an iPhone -- that's good enough for most people (especially those who don't want to think about how to open an attachment).

That's one of the things Apple does really well -- they understand who the average computer user is and the experience they want.

And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


Oh no I love that apple makes computers simple for stupid people, makes our job easier as network people for those who have no common sense.

I just feel people are now realizing what limitations apple has with more and more doing tweaks to their devices with simple apps or work arounds that apple just won't/can't do at all.
 
2013-01-07 11:37:02 AM  

RexTalionis: HotWingConspiracy: Also:

But the truth is you only think you're happy with Android because you've never used a legitimate smartphone like the iPhone and you don't know what the experience is supposed to be, and if I'm going to be of any value to you then it's going to be through telling you the truth about tech whether it's what you want to hear in the moment or not. The odds are you'll thank me in the end, after you've ultimately figured out what I've already spent years learning the hard way, and it's okay if you're mad at me in the mean time.

I ditched iphone and the entire Apple suite for Android, and I couldn't be happier.

But he laid out at the beginning of the article that he isn't an Apple propagandist, so I guess this is legit.

I like how he makes the headline claim that the only products worth recommending in 2013 are Apple's... Which is interesting, seeing as how Apple hasn't announced any products for 2013.


Came for the 2013 thing.

He isn't a troll, this is how actual Apple users are. It is like Scientology but more expensive.

Which Farker is the author of that terrible blog by the way?
 
2013-01-07 11:40:45 AM  

thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.


Oh we completely get it, and have no problem about it for the most part, but for Apple people to turn around and tell us that either we don't need the functionality that an android provides or that we can do, through a long series of steps, what the android can do natively is annoying at best.
 
2013-01-07 11:41:59 AM  

Malcolm_Sex: FTFA:...companies out there like Apple who were able to figure out what we wanted before we wanted it?
Love this train of thought. I don't buy everything they tell me too because I'm a shill, it's because they KNOW what I want.


I got a chuckle out of this as well. The thing is it is not that Apple is figuring out what people want in first, they just have a rabid fan base that lets them safetly try out unteasted products to see if the demand is string enough. And some times they just advertise the hell out of things so no one notices the stuff that was there first, there were smart phones before the iPhone, but no one noticed them, apple marketed the iPhone to make smart phones mainstream. same thing with MP3 players, they marketed the hell out of the ipod, but were not the first, or the best on the market, just the most noticable.
 
2013-01-07 11:44:54 AM  

browntimmy: thornhill:
And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

So it sounds like they don't need anything better than a $299 laptop for that, isn't a $1500 Macbook a tad excessive?


If you haven't noticed, Apple makes practically no money from their computers.

That's one of the undeniable geniuses of Steve Jobs. He realized that they were never going to breakthrough in the PC market, so they stopped trying and sought dominance in other markets that were still nascent, most notably portable digital music players. The result is tons of people with Windows PCs who also iPhones, iPods and iPads.
 
2013-01-07 11:48:05 AM  

thornhill: burndtdan: I agree with his contention that the Apple Maps fiasco was mostly blown out of proportions and that Google Maps has also led me astray before.

The real fiasco with Apple Maps is that Apple completely underestimated how attached people were to Google Maps -- the outrage was really about a feature everyone liked being yanked. Even had Apple Maps worked perfectly, it still would have been something new that people were not used to and they still would have been upset with not having the option of a Google Maps.

One of the things Apple does well is just forcing people to use something new rather than keeping around legacy functionality (a la Microsoft), but in this case they just didn't comprehend how much Google Maps was part of the iPhone user experience.


Definitely a part of it, but I will say that Apple maps has a LOT less granularity of information in some cases.

I live near Harvard. In Google maps, I can find a specific building on campus. In Apple maps, Harvard campus is a complete black box... it's just a giant uniform Harvard Yard with nothing inside it, as if it were a giant building.

I've also noticed that Google maps is a little more permissive with what it considers alternative routes, which was useful the other day when we were driving to New Hampshire and wanted to avoid driving through a specific town due to traffic, and Apple only offered alternatives that converged on that town while Google offered some that were, by sight, more circuitous but not actually that much different regarding travel time.

And I guess the Google maps navigation voice is a little more pleasant than Siri's voice, but that's nitpicky to the point of absurdity.

All that said, however, 99% of the time I have no problem with Apple maps. I definitely haven't had any more cases of it leading me astray than I used to with the Google maps API behind it (and I definitely had that happen to me quite a few times back then).
 
2013-01-07 11:52:04 AM  

steamingpile: To even remotely think android people act more like their devices are the best thing ever more than apple folk is not reality. Android users have no issues with any OS


I bow to your trolling superiority.
 
2013-01-07 11:52:12 AM  

GameSprocket: Every company has flaws.

Apple ("You don't need that."):
Hiding complexity to the point where it actually hinders capability (see the new Airport utility).
Developing ecosystems on IOS that don't integrate with OSX (podcasts, ibooks);

Google ("Oooo, shiny!"):
Releasing interesting technology without really refining the product.
Lack of focus on continuing to develop products after the initial release.

Microsoft ("Anyone know what our other teams are doing? No?"):
Products do not play well together.
Killing products with little or no warning (Silverlight, Zune, Kin)

Pick your poison.


Google doesn't release products. Easy way to spot people who have no idea what they are talking about.
 
2013-01-07 11:53:48 AM  

s2s2s2: RexTalionis: s2s2s2: Works is works

[weknowmemes.com image 650x500]

That's from 2007?


That's from 2013
 
2013-01-07 11:55:12 AM  

burndtdan: Definitely a part of it, but I will say that Apple maps has a LOT less granularity of information in some cases.

I live near Harvard. In Google maps, I can find a specific building on campus. In Apple maps, Harvard campus is a complete black box... it's just a giant uniform Harvard Yard with nothing inside it, as if it were a giant building.

I've also noticed that Google maps is a little more permissive with what it considers alternative routes, which was useful the other day when we were driving to New Hampshire and wanted to avoid driving through a specific town due to traffic, and Apple only offered alternatives that converged on that town while Google offered some that were, by sight, more circuitous but not actually that much different regarding travel time.

And I guess the Google maps navigation voice is a little more pleasant than Siri's voice, but that's nitpicky to the point of absurdity.

All that said, however, 99% of the time I have no problem with Apple maps. I definitely haven't had any more cases of it leading me astray than I used to with the Google maps API behind it (and I definitely had that happen to me quite a few times back then).


My experience with Apple Maps is that 80% of the time, it's just fine, but when it fails it'll either fail catastrphically (i.e. it leads you to the wrong place) or it'll fail in an extremely annoying fashion. When Apple Maps first launched, I decided to take it on a test run to the post office. It took Apple Maps 35 minutes to go less than 8 miles down the road, often taking me on a bunch of circuitous backwoods detours for no apparent reason.
 
2013-01-07 11:56:46 AM  
Plus, I've noticed that Apple Maps have a lot of misplaced place markers inside. The local Morton's was misplaced by nearly half a mile on my map.
 
2013-01-07 11:57:44 AM  

Bullseyed: GameSprocket: Every company has flaws.

Apple ("You don't need that."):
Hiding complexity to the point where it actually hinders capability (see the new Airport utility).
Developing ecosystems on IOS that don't integrate with OSX (podcasts, ibooks);

Google ("Oooo, shiny!"):
Releasing interesting technology without really refining the product.
Lack of focus on continuing to develop products after the initial release.

Microsoft ("Anyone know what our other teams are doing? No?"):
Products do not play well together.
Killing products with little or no warning (Silverlight, Zune, Kin)

Pick your poison.

Google doesn't release products. Easy way to spot people who have no idea what they are talking about.


Really? So GMail is an internal system? Android is not a publicly available product? Only a few beta testers are using Google Maps?

Poor little pedant.
 
2013-01-07 11:58:07 AM  

RexTalionis: Plus, I've noticed that Apple Maps have a lot of misplaced place markers inside. The local Morton's was misplaced by nearly half a mile on my map.


Actually, I just checked my maps again. It's still misplaced by half a mile in a totally different part of the city. It's been like this since launch day.
 
2013-01-07 11:59:07 AM  

thornhill: If you haven't noticed, Apple makes practically no money from their computers.


Not true. Apple makes 20% on notebooks, which is a fortune. That's how they subsidize their OS upgrades for $29.
 
2013-01-07 12:01:54 PM  

thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.



So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?
 
2013-01-07 12:05:37 PM  

mccallcl: thornhill: If you haven't noticed, Apple makes practically no money from their computers.

Not true. Apple makes 20% on notebooks, which is a fortune. That's how they subsidize their OS upgrades for $29.


Used to be free, dammit!
 
2013-01-07 12:08:38 PM  

GameSprocket: Used to be free, dammit!


System 8 retailed at $99 in 1997:

http://news.cnet.com/Mac-OS-8-has-arrived/2100-1001_3-201615.html

Know your roots, son
 
2013-01-07 12:09:06 PM  
I would not have believed you could have that much douchieness in one article.
 
2013-01-07 12:10:26 PM  

likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?


10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.
 
2013-01-07 12:11:53 PM  

thornhill: browntimmy: thornhill:
And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

So it sounds like they don't need anything better than a $299 laptop for that, isn't a $1500 Macbook a tad excessive?

If you haven't noticed, Apple makes practically no money from their computers.

That's one of the undeniable geniuses of Steve Jobs. He realized that they were never going to breakthrough in the PC market, so they stopped trying and sought dominance in other markets that were still nascent, most notably portable digital music players. The result is tons of people with Windows PCs who also iPhones, iPods and iPads.


You're kidding, right? Link
2012 SEC Filing (Scroll to Net Sales)
Total Mac net sales in thousands of dollars
2012: $23,221 +7%
2011: $21,783 +25%
2010: $17,479
They continue to make a ton of money on their computers which have a relatively large profit margin.
 
2013-01-07 12:12:37 PM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.


Most drivers don't need their car to go over 55 MPH. If you have the choice between two identical cars, one with a top speed of 55 MPH that costs more or a cheaper car that can go up to 120 MPH, which do you pick?
 
2013-01-07 12:12:52 PM  

Bullseyed: That's from 2013


Are you a detective?
 
2013-01-07 12:20:49 PM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.

I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.

I don't think Androids are all that much cheaper than Apple devices. The newest iPhones are $199 (for base iPhone 5), $99 (for base iPhone 4S) and $0.99 (for iPhone 4). That's pretty comparable to the Android pricing (a Galaxy S3 is $199 subsidized for the base model), for instance, and there are myriad mid-range Android phones clocking in at $99 dollars or less.

If anything, Android phones are more expensive the iPhones - there are premium Android phones which run you $299 for the phone after subsidization.


Walmart did the S3 for 92 cents, tmobile did it for 99 dollars, Radioshack does it for 99 bucks, and Best Buy as well.

I am rocking an S2 Skyrocket with 64 gigs of ram.  Total cost of phone was 0 on a two year contract, 30 dollars for the 64 gig sd card I have in it.  It's 4g, 8 mega pixel cameral, runs quick as shiat, and is getting jelly bean.  Except for processor speed, it does everything the Iphone 5 does, wait has been doing it for almost 2 years.  And still has a larger screen.

/manager at cell phone carrier
 
2013-01-07 12:21:01 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.


That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?
 
2013-01-07 12:23:59 PM  

sjmcc13: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Which is the problem really. Most people do not understand or what to understand how their computer works.
Peopel just want to use it, and not understandanything, and not have to bother with things like making sure there is not software that is better suited for their needs out there.


Apple has always wanted simplicity from their products. Linux is about adaptation. Windows is about availability. None of these will work right all the time, but each strives for consistency. Consistency provides comfort for users looking dfor a product that works without necessarily caring how.

For most, ignorance is still bliss.

/read the article from my Toshiba Excite
 
2013-01-07 12:24:22 PM  

pastorkius: thornhill: browntimmy: thornhill:
And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

So it sounds like they don't need anything better than a $299 laptop for that, isn't a $1500 Macbook a tad excessive?

If you haven't noticed, Apple makes practically no money from their computers.

That's one of the undeniable geniuses of Steve Jobs. He realized that they were never going to breakthrough in the PC market, so they stopped trying and sought dominance in other markets that were still nascent, most notably portable digital music players. The result is tons of people with Windows PCs who also iPhones, iPods and iPads.

You're kidding, right? Link
2012 SEC Filing (Scroll to Net Sales)
Total Mac net sales in thousands millions of dollars
2012: $23,221 +7%
2011: $21,783 +25%
2010: $17,479
They continue to make a ton of money on their computers which have a relatively large profit margin.


Oops, FTFM, I read millions and wrote thousands.
 
2013-01-07 12:25:04 PM  

RexTalionis: My experience with Apple Maps is that 80% of the time, it's just fine, but when it fails it'll either fail catastrphically (i.e. it leads you to the wrong place) or it'll fail in an extremely annoying fashion. When Apple Maps first launched, I decided to take it on a test run to the post office. It took Apple Maps 35 minutes to go less than 8 miles down the road, often taking me on a bunch of circuitous backwoods detours for no apparent reason.


I could counter with a Google maps incident where I was looking for a Verizon store near my work.

The first closest store Google showed me was actually a high school football field. The second one showed a location on the map, but then gave the message that it was unable to find a route to it). The third was an AT&T store, with the actual Verizon store across the street and half a block away.

And similarly, there is a certain part of the greater Boston area that no GPS device I've ever used has gotten right.

They can all fail spectacularly.
 
2013-01-07 12:27:22 PM  

mccallcl: GameSprocket: Used to be free, dammit!

System 8 retailed at $99 in 1997:

http://news.cnet.com/Mac-OS-8-has-arrived/2100-1001_3-201615.html

Know your roots, son


My roots are in Systems 6 and 7.
 
2013-01-07 12:33:19 PM  

GameSprocket: Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone


Direct access of a shared directory of an arbitrary file server.

Game over. I win.
 
2013-01-07 12:34:22 PM  

GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.


1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.
2. NFC
3. Multiple app stores and side loading(without rooting, so leave the jailbreak argument at the door)
4. larger screen
5. third party keyboards
6. third party browsers
7. attaching files other than video or images to email
8. visible file system
9. iphone 5 has no haptic feedback
10. no wireless charging
 
2013-01-07 12:37:26 PM  

theflatline: 1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.


Although I learned how to make ringtones for my iPhone from music (on my computer), and it's not that difficult of a process, this was by far one of the most flabbergasting deficiencies of the iPhone to me. Hell, even my ancient Blackberry could do this.
 
2013-01-07 12:50:38 PM  

Linux_Yes: i could not care less about Apple because Linux and Open Source software is available. without Open Source, then and only then would i be interested in Apple.

Apple is alot better than Windblows, but not as good as Linux/Open Source.


Which is fine for code monkeys. As someone who just wants to tinker with photos, audio, video, and web pages, Apple is just fine.

The whole reason I got away from Windows in the first place was that I got tired of spending just as much time manta inning the computer as I did using it. I am not, nor do I ever want to be, a programmer; as far as I'm concerned, digging into the OS to replace a line of code is like having to solder electrical connections in my microwave to make a popcorn preset.

Sh*t should just work when I get it home and turn it on.

/nothing against code monkeys
//so long as they hold nothing against me
 
2013-01-07 12:51:22 PM  

theflatline: GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.

1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.
2. NFC
3. Multiple app stores and side loading(without rooting, so leave the jailbreak argument at the door)
4. larger screen
5. third party keyboards
6. third party browsers
7. attaching files other than video or images to email
8. visible file system
9. iphone 5 has no haptic feedback
10. no wireless charging


1. You can easily create your own ring tones, and the use of an app counts as functionality,
2. I submit that you can't really use NFC on any phone because someone needs to actually support it first.
3. Multiple app stores is actually a detraction more than a benefit if the required apps are available at the one app store.
4. Larger screen is not a function.
5. iOS supports any bluetooth keyboard.
6. The Apple app store list many third-party browsers. Also, browsing the Web is a function, using a particular browser is not.
7. iOS allows the attachment of documents as well. You just attach them from within the particular app. This makes sense when there is no shared file system.
8. Visible file system is not a function. If you can find what you are looking for, the method is unimportant.
9. Method, not function.
10. If you really want wireless charging, you can get it though an accessory. It is really kind of stupid anyway. You really can't be bothered to put the phone in a dock rather than just set it in a particular spot?

So, you get half a point for your item about iOS device not support some technology that is not widely used in the first place. The rest is all personal preference about how you want to be able to do things. Both phones are capable of the same functionality.
 
2013-01-07 12:52:09 PM  
"Manta inning"?

WTF, autocorrect?

/MAINTAINING
 
2013-01-07 12:56:02 PM  

JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?


que? why?
 
2013-01-07 01:00:34 PM  

GameSprocket: theflatline: GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.

1. Set ring tone from music already on phone without the use of an app or the purchase of the tone.
2. NFC
3. Multiple app stores and side loading(without rooting, so leave the jailbreak argument at the door)
4. larger screen
5. third party keyboards
6. third party browsers
7. attaching files other than video or images to email
8. visible file system
9. iphone 5 has no haptic feedback
10. no wireless charging

1. You can easily create your own ring tones, and the use of an app counts as functionality,
2. I submit that you can't really use NFC on any phone because someone needs to actually support it first.
3. Multiple app stores is actually a detraction more than a benefit if the required apps are available at the one app store.
4. Larger screen is not a function.
5. iOS supports any bluetooth keyboard.
6. The Apple app store list many third-party browsers. Also, browsing the Web is a function, using a particular browser is not.
7. iOS allows the attachment of documents as well. You just attach them from within the particular app. This makes sense when there is no shared file system.
8. Visible file system is not a function. If you can find what you are looking for, the method is unimportant.
9. Method, not function.
10. If you really want wireless charging, you can get it though an accessory. It is really kind of stupid anyway. You really can't be bothered to put the phone in a dock rather than just set it in a particular spot?

So, you get half a point for your item about iOS device not support some technology that is not widely used in the first place. The rest is all personal preference about how you want to be able to do things. Both phones are capable of the same functionality.


2. NFC works with other phones for sharing files.

4. He's talking about third party keyboard apps. Like SwiftKey which is far superior than the default iPhone app.

6. Although iPhones support third party browsers, you cannot set them as the default browser. Dolphin is way better than Chrome and Safari.
 
2013-01-07 01:04:40 PM  

thornhill: Again, a level of minutia that the average user doesn't care about. You can view Word and PDF attachments on an iPhone -- that's good enough for most people (especially those who don't want to think about how to open an attachment).

That's one of the things Apple does really well -- they understand who the average computer user is and the experience they want.

And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


Here, I have a problem with IOS, and I'm not a nerdgrade user. I just want to be able to access my files on Dropbox, edit and add to them, and then save them back into Dropbox. I had an iPad and found I couldn't do this conveniently.

So, I'm getting a Samsung 2S. It'll be okay for what I need.
 
2013-01-07 01:15:19 PM  

wholedamnshow: 2. NFC works with other phones for sharing files.

4. He's talking about third party keyboard apps. Like SwiftKey which is far superior than the default iPhone app.

6. Although iPhones support third party browsers, you cannot set them as the default browser. Dolphin is way better than Chrome and Safari.



2. Ok, I'll give in on that. Apple seems to think that I only ever need to share documents among my own devices.

4. Ooooh. I was wondering why that was there. I would argue that we are in the "personal preference" area here.

6. Again, personal preference. There is a distinction to be made in Apple's refusal to at least create an API that allows links to open other browsers. If they are approving the browsers, they really can't claim a security problem.
 
2013-01-07 01:16:34 PM  

RexTalionis: thornhill: RexTalionis: thornhill: likefunbutnot: s2s2s2: All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability.

No file system access. Application sandboxing. No widget support. Static icons. Lack of customizable input options. Single application vendor with strongly paternalistic tendencies. shiatty development process. Extremely limited interaction with proper personal computers. Development and end user culture that discourages giving away software in favor of nickle-and-dime costs for extremely simple functionality.

Do I need to go on?

And here's what Apple haters don't get: the average computer use doesn't care about any of that crap.

As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.

Isn't that kind of a cop out, though? The average Android user probably doesn't care about it either, and they can use their phones in the default stock way and be just fine. But should they ever want something a little more advanced, they have the option of more advanced features - an option that is absent in iOS.

I think the average android user is far more motivated by price and and greater product selection. If they get all of those features, great, but it was not what made them go with an android device.

I don't think Androids are all that much cheaper than Apple devices. The newest iPhones are $199 (for base iPhone 5), $99 (for base iPhone 4S) and $0.99 (for iPhone 4). That's pretty comparable to the Android pricing (a Galaxy S3 is $199 subsidized for the base model), for instance, and there are myriad mid-range Android phones clocking in at $99 dollars or less.

If anything, Android phones are more expensive the iPhones - there are premium Android phones which run you $299 for the phone after subsidization.


Subsidized price isn't what it costs. Just because a carrier chooses to pay a higher subsidy. The iPhone5 costs $750+
 
2013-01-07 01:17:30 PM  

steamingpile: Android is more stable than iOS at this time but of course if you put an new os on an old device then its not going to perform as well, just like my old iPhone 3G ran like shiat after a few updates when the 4 came out.


Um, no. It's not.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 is not at all what I would call stable. Randoms shutdowns, erratic battery times. And if you go to other boards, you will see that this is not a unique problem.
Meanwhile, my wife's iPhone 4 chugs away with no problems.
 
2013-01-07 01:19:19 PM  

burndtdan: I agree with his contention that the Apple Maps fiasco was mostly blown out of proportions and that Google Maps has also led me astray before.


I thought that part in the troll article was amusing. If he was in the parking lot and it told him the closest one was miles away, that is because the Apple GPS antenna was malfunctioning, not because of a Google Maps error.
 
2013-01-07 01:23:39 PM  
More importantly how cool would it be if there were two, three, or five companies out there like Apple who were able to figure out what we wanted before we wanted it?

Apple doesn't figure out what you want before you want it. They develop something and then convince you that it's what you wanted all along. Don't like the fact that you can't add widgets and a hidden application screen on your iPhone? Apple will just convince you that you don't want to be able to customize it anyway. Same goes through the Apple line. Don't like the keyboard? The problem is with you, not the design.
 
2013-01-07 01:27:39 PM  

GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: thornhill: And that's what Apple haters despise about Apple and their product users -- these people simply don't cae about the same level of functionality as you.


So your argument is essentially that you prefer your dual core 1Ghz hand-held generic computing device be deliberately limited to the ten or twelve things they're good at because that's all the manufacturer foresaw rather than serve as, you know, a dual core 1GHz hand-held generic computing device? At that point, why not just call it an expensive, oversized feature phone?

10 or 12? Did the app store suddenly get a lot smaller?

Care to list some functions that can be performed on an Android phone that cannot be performed on an iPhone (to be fair, someone could attempt the opposite as well)? So I am not accused of moving the goalposts later, I am not talking about some specific technical method (such as widget vs app) but an actual useful function (checking the weather forecast, editing a document, etc).

I believe that both systems are capable of essentially the same functionality. The only difference is in the method.


Every app in the app store has a unique function?

When you remove all the "fart sounds" apps you lose about 35% of the app store. When you lump all games as "games" you lose another 45% to one function. Etc.

A task to do on the iPhone?

1.) Browse a file system.

Apple can't do that :(

2.) Save a file to a specific location, selected by the user.

Apple can't do that :(

3.) Delete the Facebook app.

Apple can't do that :(


The list goes on and on.
 
2013-01-07 01:27:47 PM  

RexTalionis: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x479]


It was just really hot that day, that's just Apple's new 'LiveCast Weather' feature...
 
2013-01-07 01:31:23 PM  
So maybe the Apple fans can explain one thing to me...

At the moment, it sounds like the Ap Store and Google Play are roughly even at about 700,000-800,000 apps. On my Android, I can change the messaging client, the email client, the launcher, the lockscreen, the keyboard, the launcher, and more. On the iPhone, I can do none of this.

There are many, MANY options for each of these in the Google PLay store. What the FARK is in the Apple store? Fart apps? Hot chick calendars? Seriously, with so many items not available on the iPhone, what is in that damned store?
 
2013-01-07 01:35:14 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.


I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.
 
2013-01-07 01:45:29 PM  

Bullseyed: A task to do on the iPhone?

1.) Browse a file system.

Apple can't do that :(

2.) Save a file to a specific location, selected by the user.

Apple can't do that :(

3.) Delete the Facebook app.

Apple can't do that :(


The list goes on and on.



1. Browse what file system? I can connect back and browse my home system. I can FTP to a remote system. I can use an number of other remote access apps to browse file systems. Not sure what you are looking for.

2. Why? If I am saving a Pages document, it is accessible through Pages or I can save it to iCloud or share it through mail or another system. Why should I care where it physically exists if I know how to access it. You are stuck in desktop mode.

3. I can't delete the Facebook app? I must be a genius because I just did it. You could make the claim about the stupid "Newsstand" app, but removing functionality is an odd form of "function" to bicker about.
 
2013-01-07 01:47:11 PM  

s2s2s2: likefunbutnot: The standard line is more like "Android applications are not as mature as the iOS versions." The people who say things like that invariably cannot explain what it means.

All I ever get from the complaints about iOS is lack of customizability. Many people don't care. Works is works, no matter if it is "stuck in 2007".

"But I can change my font!"

:I


You can change your font, your entire UI, use SD Cards, use Flash, use Emulators and ROMs, pretty much any video format, you can download a PDF easily, you can download any file you want easily, and many other things Apple prevents you from doing so you don't accidentally hurt yourself. I agree that most people don't care, and for them an iPhone is fine but for the rest of us who know how to use a computer we'd rather not feel like we're constrained by parental controls from father Jobs.
 
2013-01-07 01:50:34 PM  

GameSprocket: 1. Browse what file system? I can connect back and browse my home system. I can FTP to a remote system. I can use an number of other remote access apps to browse file systems. Not sure what you are looking for.


The iOS device has an underlying file system. It is not exposed to much of anything, but it certainly does exist. You know that and you're choosing to be obtuse.

Likewise, the iThing is not able to speak either SMB, NFS or WebDAV to access filesystems remotely from the device and can't do it at all without being rooted... whereupon it immediately become capable of doing so because the only real reason it can't is that Apple doesn't want it to.

This is a really ridiculous limitation for something that could even in theory be used as a business tool.
 
2013-01-07 01:55:25 PM  

dehehn: use Flash


To be fair, only devices that were released prior to Adobe's decision to end flash support can "officially" use it. So Galaxy S3s can but Kindle Fire HDs can't. Flash is stupid and I think Adobe should be collectively murdered for inflicting deeply shiatty software on the world, but I also think it's necessary for a fully-functional web-browsing experience.

Also, Dolphin (which, IIRC renders the Flash objects remotely on their servers) DOES handle Flash even on limited-functionality systems like iThings.
 
2013-01-07 01:56:58 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.


I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.
 
2013-01-07 01:57:37 PM  

GameSprocket: mccallcl: GameSprocket: Used to be free, dammit!

System 8 retailed at $99 in 1997:

http://news.cnet.com/Mac-OS-8-has-arrived/2100-1001_3-201615.html

Know your roots, son

My roots are in Systems 6 and 7.


Then why would you think system updates are free? They used to come on stacks of floppy disks! They cost postage at least... I remember OS components like certain print drivers and other system tools being sold seperate back in the day. Apple software used to be a lot more expensive than it is now!
 
2013-01-07 01:58:44 PM  

JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?


NFC does a hell of a lot more than just mobile payments. You also can use it to share files between phones, share contacts and web pages, and pair with Bluetooth accessories just by tapping the phone to the speaker ir headset. Samsung also has a TecTiles app that lets you program your phone to do certain actions when you tap it to a tag, like changing from silent to a regular ringtone profile, or opening a specific app.
 
2013-01-07 02:05:48 PM  
Apple is doing NFC on the next iteration of the iphone because of two reasons.

1. Planned obsolescence.  They are working on a system of payments to monetize it so they get a chunk of each transaction.  Cannot blame them for wanting to make money. Though they want to make it on the upgrades and the percentage taken on payments.

2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.
 
2013-01-07 02:07:16 PM  

likefunbutnot: GameSprocket: 1. Browse what file system? I can connect back and browse my home system. I can FTP to a remote system. I can use an number of other remote access apps to browse file systems. Not sure what you are looking for.

The iOS device has an underlying file system. It is not exposed to much of anything, but it certainly does exist. You know that and you're choosing to be obtuse.

Likewise, the iThing is not able to speak either SMB, NFS or WebDAV to access filesystems remotely from the device and can't do it at all without being rooted... whereupon it immediately become capable of doing so because the only real reason it can't is that Apple doesn't want it to.

This is a really ridiculous limitation for something that could even in theory be used as a business tool.


Dude nobody cares about enterprise dinosaur bullshiat like file servers with all your departmental file organized by folders. That shiat is ridiculous, put things where they go. Also you're going to find out that no one cares about enterprise email, enterprise messaging or frankly enterprise anything.

The enterprise has officially failed at IT. It's just taking them five years to realize it. I for one do not want my phone to end up like my work laptop, which is the least productive computing device in my arsenal.
 
2013-01-07 02:10:20 PM  

theflatline: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.

I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.


AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.
 
2013-01-07 02:12:08 PM  
"A few years ago Google tried to sell an iPhone competitor on honest terms, with the Nexus One running the Android 1.0 software. It was pretty far behind the iPhone in terms of usability, but it showed promise. Trouble is, it didn't sell well.

Google then decided it was more interested in winning than in being any good, so it killed off its own hardware and gave the Android software away to soulless vendors like Samsung and encouraged them to slap it onto any random hardware they wanted."


I dint know where to start with how wrong this is. The Nexus One was launched with Android 2.1, after the T-Mobile G1 and MyTouch handsets which had 1.x versions of Android. I think Samsung also had the original Galaxy (the fugly model prior to the S-models) and Moto had the Backflip prior to the Nexus One. The Nexus models have always been a more developer or tinkerer focused model, and really never got wide distribution outside of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus (which turned into a mess because Verizon was slow to allow updates and blocked Google Wallet). They were never intended to be a huge seller like the Galaxy S III.
 
2013-01-07 02:15:45 PM  

Linux_Yes: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Google and Samsung are "rogue companies"? This guy writes complete gibberish.


'rogue' is his definition of leaders in their industries.


i1197.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-07 02:16:11 PM  

mccallcl: Also you're going to find out that no one cares about enterprise email, enterprise messaging or frankly enterprise anything.


I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if you actually believe this crap.

I can say that I know a bunch businesses as small as five or six people and as big as Price Waterhouse Coopers that go through completely batshiat insane gymnastics to make ithings worth have a crap in their organizations.
 
2013-01-07 02:20:38 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: theflatline: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.

I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.

AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.


My skyrocket is with Tmobile, though I work for the other carrier, the one you are with.  And because tmobile lets me do wifi calling at home and out of the country, that is where I will stay.
 
2013-01-07 02:26:23 PM  
GameSprocket

Since earlier I was just clarifying someone else's posts on Android vs iOS, I'll write my own reasons why I think Android is better.

1. Widget support. You or others may not think it's a big deal, but I do. From scrolling through scores on my home screen, to quickly being able to take a picture and having it automatically saved to Evernote to seeing my Facebook news feed on my home screen, widgets are just the best. These also toggle basic functions like Wi-Fi, blue tooth, GPS, 4G without having to go through any additional menus or dropdowns.

2.Customization. Launchers, themes, icon packs, super clocks, battery bars, etc are all things available on Android and not iOS. You may not like to tinker with the look and feel of your device, but I and others do.

3. Sharing files between apps. When I use the "share" feature when my browser is open, I can share the link with 14 different apps. This makes posting a link to facebook (or a friend's facebook wall for that matter) or sending the link to a friend via text or email much faster than having to separately open the app to do this. This same functionality exists for other things like pictures.

4.Changing default apps. I like using Dolphin as my browser. I can't farking stand Chrome, the old Android browser, or Safari for that matter. They all suck compared to Dolphin in my opinion. Sure you can use Dolphin on iOS, but you can't change it as the default browser. Also, iOS keyboard sucks. Android's isn't great, but it's certainly better than iOS simply because of long-press. I use SwiftKey myself and the word prediction and customization of it is awesome. But you can't change the default keyboard app on iOS.

5. Interaction with computer. If I have music files or movies or tv shows on my computer that I want on my phone or tablet, I just copy the file over. My computer just sees my phone the same as any external drive. I don't have to go through iTunes or any other bullshiat third party program to do this. Before you rave about how great iTunes is, there's an app for Android called Doubletwist that's pretty much the same as iTunes if that's what you like.

6. Free built-in GPS based on Google Maps. It's awesome. Not sure how else to describe it. Miss Xanok has a Tom-Tom and it's nowhere near as good as my phone's GPS.

7. Removable battery and SD card slot This is really just a matter of having many choices for Android and only one with iPhone. These features are available for some Android phones but not for others. I personally love having an SD card slot. My 32GB of Class 10 additional storage cost me $30. Choosing the 32gb iPhone 5 over the 16gb version costs $100 extra.

So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?
 
2013-01-07 02:27:36 PM  

mccallcl: GameSprocket: mccallcl: GameSprocket: Used to be free, dammit!

System 8 retailed at $99 in 1997:

http://news.cnet.com/Mac-OS-8-has-arrived/2100-1001_3-201615.html

Know your roots, son

My roots are in Systems 6 and 7.

Then why would you think system updates are free? They used to come on stacks of floppy disks! They cost postage at least... I remember OS components like certain print drivers and other system tools being sold seperate back in the day. Apple software used to be a lot more expensive than it is now!


Man, you are being pedantic about this. System 7 was freely distributable and downloadable from AOL (among others). It was also available on CD from some magazines and from every Mac-friendly BBS. Yeah, you couldn't go to "Software Updates" to get it because that mechanism did not exist.

I guess you can say that it required electricity and was therefore not "free".
 
2013-01-07 02:28:42 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.


Nexus devices don't have SD slots any more and haven't for a while now (See Nexus 7, Nexus 10, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S).
 
2013-01-07 02:34:15 PM  
I remember how some years ago the apple-haters all said how stupid iPads were and no one would want one. These of course are the same exact people who are now telling me how awesome their android tablets are.

Same thing with Nintendo. I remember them all saying how motion control was a "fad" and a "gimmick" and now they all are telling us how awesome their xbox kinetic is.

Serious people it's just a tool you use stop defining you life based on it and getting so crazy because other people like a product you don't.
 
2013-01-07 02:38:04 PM  

Corvus: I remember how some years ago the apple-haters all said how stupid iPads were and no one would want one. These of course are the same exact people who are now telling me how awesome their android tablets are.

Same thing with Nintendo. I remember them all saying how motion control was a "fad" and a "gimmick" and now they all are telling us how awesome their xbox kinetic is.

Serious people it's just a tool you use stop defining you life based on it and getting so crazy because other people like a product you don't.


How many people still use their Wii, as compared to how many people are still developing for the Kinect?

No one said the Ipad was stupid, though Jobs said there would not be a smaller one...
 
2013-01-07 02:38:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Of course Amazon wanted to win as well, so it stuffed a fragment of the Android software onto cheap hardware which can't run it right, and the resulting "Kindle Fire" is quite possibly the worst major tech product ever made.

Yeah, people simply loathe their Kindle Fires.


My wife gave her away after about a month. Because of the aspect ratio being different then all other platforms every game she played on it was some bastardized version that didn't work well. I guess it's ok if all you do is read books, watch movies and browse the internet.
 
2013-01-07 02:40:31 PM  

wholedamnshow: So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?


I'm nominally an IT trainer in my day job and I will say that it is a hell of a lot easier to tell someone how to use istuff because the experience is the same on every device. Android device vendors can choose to load and use the default Google applications (as long as they pay the $4 licensing fee, anyway), but there are all kinds of hilarious gotchas that exist because for example one vendor uses the standard calendar app and another one replaced it with their version and they're probably both named "Calendar."

It also deeply, deeply sucks that there are Android devices in the world that can't talk to the Play store without rooting the OS. The Kindle and Nook are both in that category, as are dozens of for-shiat sub-$100 tablets that people get from places like Big Lots and QVC.
 
2013-01-07 02:41:30 PM  

theflatline: Corvus: I remember how some years ago the apple-haters all said how stupid iPads were and no one would want one. These of course are the same exact people who are now telling me how awesome their android tablets are.

Same thing with Nintendo. I remember them all saying how motion control was a "fad" and a "gimmick" and now they all are telling us how awesome their xbox kinetic is.

Serious people it's just a tool you use stop defining you life based on it and getting so crazy because other people like a product you don't.

How many people still use their Wii, as compared to how many people are still developing for the Kinect?

No one said the Ipad was stupid, though Jobs said there would not be a smaller one...


I used my wii yesterday. Besides that is not my point at all. My point is there is a group of people who say they hate something but then when the company like Google or MS comes out with a similar thing they say they love it and it's amazing. Even though they said the concept is stupid.

Yes, Yes MANY people said the iPad was stupid when it came up. There were threads on FARK with the same people in here saying "Why would ANYONE every use something like an iPad when they could use a laptop instead". Many, many anti-apple people said that.
 
2013-01-07 02:42:19 PM  

GameSprocket: 4. Ooooh. I was wondering why that was there. I would argue that we are in the "personal preference" area here.


Well that's the argument, isn't it? If the phone doesn't support an option that has a large following, it's a deficiency they should address, don't you think? That's always been the issue between PC and Mac. The Apple philosophy isn't really "Think Different", it's "Your preferences would be better if they were our preferences".
 
2013-01-07 02:59:35 PM  

Corvus: My wife gave her away after about a month. Because of the aspect ratio being different then all other platforms


OK I am not sure what that could be about. The original Fire has the same 1024x600, 16x9 screen as just about every 7" Android tablet. There ARE some apps that offer both a large screen and small screen version for a slightly different experience, but those things don't usually kick in until you get to 1280x800 screens which are most often found on larger-than-7"-screen devices.
 
2013-01-07 03:00:27 PM  

wholedamnshow: 1. Widget support.


1. Widget support. I hate widgets. That is just my personal preference. I don't even use them on the desktop. I find them distracting.

2.Customization. Ok, I can only change the wallpaper and sounds, but that is all I care about anyway. The apps control their own UI and I should not be in the OS long enough to care about how the buttons look.

3. Sharing files between apps.
Not really sure what to tell you. Depending on the file type, I can send it to pretty much any app that handles that type. PDFs give me the following choices: iBooks, Mail, Print, Quick Look, Ignition, Kindle, GoToMeeting, Dropbox, Evernote, Box (dropbox), and Google Drive. What am I missing?

4.Changing default apps. That could be annoying. I am not bothered by it much as the defaults seem to work pretty well. They should make that an API call and system setting (like MIME types).

5. Interaction with computer All my movies and songs are in iTunes. This may be a Mac/PC thing as I understand that the Windows iTunes sucks donkeys. I actually just stream movies and music from my home system and so I don't load much on my phone.

6. Free built-in GPS based on Google Maps iOS has that. It just isn't the default anymore. If Google hadn't restricted Apple from making turn-by-turn available, they could have still been the default. I actually use Waze anyway. It is much better.

7. Removable battery and SD card slot
The SD thing is less and less of an issue due to wireless data access. The battery thing is a pain once in a great while. The new connector caused me a substantial amount of anger as Apple didn't have the adapters readily available so for a while I had exactly one cord to charge with and no way to use external batteries. Once the vendors catch up, the cases with integrated batteries work great.


So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?

Get me to buy it? Run all the apps I had already bought before it came out? Snark aside, my original point was that both iOS and Android phones can do pretty much everything, so asking me to refute my own point seems odd.

I use an iPhone because I already invested in the infrastructure before any truly competitive Android phones came along. I also use a Mac at home so I get some synergy there. It does what I need it to do without making me think about it a lot. That is what a consumer device should do.
 
2013-01-07 03:08:43 PM  

GameSprocket: wholedamnshow: 1. Widget support.

1. Widget support. I hate widgets. That is just my personal preference. I don't even use them on the desktop. I find them distracting.

2.Customization. Ok, I can only change the wallpaper and sounds, but that is all I care about anyway. The apps control their own UI and I should not be in the OS long enough to care about how the buttons look.

3. Sharing files between apps. Not really sure what to tell you. Depending on the file type, I can send it to pretty much any app that handles that type. PDFs give me the following choices: iBooks, Mail, Print, Quick Look, Ignition, Kindle, GoToMeeting, Dropbox, Evernote, Box (dropbox), and Google Drive. What am I missing?

4.Changing default apps. That could be annoying. I am not bothered by it much as the defaults seem to work pretty well. They should make that an API call and system setting (like MIME types).

5. Interaction with computer All my movies and songs are in iTunes. This may be a Mac/PC thing as I understand that the Windows iTunes sucks donkeys. I actually just stream movies and music from my home system and so I don't load much on my phone.

6. Free built-in GPS based on Google Maps iOS has that. It just isn't the default anymore. If Google hadn't restricted Apple from making turn-by-turn available, they could have still been the default. I actually use Waze anyway. It is much better.

7. Removable battery and SD card slot The SD thing is less and less of an issue due to wireless data access. The battery thing is a pain once in a great while. The new connector caused me a substantial amount of anger as Apple didn't have the adapters readily available so for a while I had exactly one cord to charge with and no way to use external batteries. Once the vendors catch up, the cases with integrated batteries work great.


So what can your iPhone do that my HTC Evo 3D can't?

Get me to buy it? Run all the apps I had already bought before it came out? Snark aside, my original point wa ...


never discount the ability of people to make smartphone debates look dumber than video game console debates
 
2013-01-07 03:27:19 PM  

GameSprocket: 3. Sharing files between apps. Not really sure what to tell you. Depending on the file type, I can send it to pretty much any app that handles that type. PDFs give me the following choices: iBooks, Mail, Print, Quick Look, Ignition, Kindle, GoToMeeting, Dropbox, Evernote, Box (dropbox), and Google Drive. What am I missing?


The first thing you're missing is that there are fixed, objective goal posts that do not move. Yours keep moving. Just because you are not using some functionality does not mean that no one else wants or needs it.

But let's start with this one: I see a picture I like while I'm browsing the web. I can choose to Share it, which brings up a ridiculously long list of different places that my device can send it. Happily, this list is also uniform across all my applications, not limited to what the developer chose to allow. So I can share through Bluetooth or SMS or an open IM session or Picasa or Facebook or whatever the hell else is on that menu. Because I'm using Android, I can also REPLACE the OS component used to handle data sharing with a different one that allows me to fully edit that list (the app is called Andmade, if anyone is interested), so if I know that I'm never, ever going to share with Facebook, I can take it off the list.

GameSprocket: All my movies and songs are in iTunes.


I don't even allow itunes on my OS X machine. It's a ridiculous and arbitrary limitation of Apple's architecture. I won't even get in to how shiatty Apple's media formatting requirements are.

One of my tablets has 128GB of disk space (64GB + 64GB card). A few weeks ago I saved a 50GB Windows system image on it because it was handy and had the disk space for it. I just used the tablet as a big disk drive. It worked fine. iOS won't even let users store files unless they're associated with an application on the device, and even then you're more or less stuck doing the data transfer through itunes or some cloud storage service.

GameSprocket: That is what a consumer device should do.


It seems to me that you're allowing Apple to dictate your understanding of what a device should do.
 
2013-01-07 03:30:49 PM  
theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.
 
2013-01-07 03:34:48 PM  

YodaBlues: theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.


I'm fairly sure NFC's range is much shorter than that. Think maybe 1 or 2 inches, max.
 
2013-01-07 03:36:20 PM  
Having never used an Apple device in my life (but owning an Android phone), the argument I'm getting from here seems to be Apple Knows what's best, and it limits me because theres no good reason for it not to." It seems like "not being limited" is everyone's general response to that.

I mean, I don't use say, Twitter, but I like knowing that I could always do it. If my phone didn't allow me to use Twitter, I'd probably be annoyed just because my phone is telling me what i can do, when it is clearly an object and I am clearly the user. I tell -it- what it can do.
 
2013-01-07 03:39:57 PM  
Hmm... "Beetweak," eh? That's some stellar reporting there, Bill. No, really.
 
2013-01-07 03:40:56 PM  

YodaBlues: theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.


I guess it will be easy to see if you're being tracked.
 
2013-01-07 03:55:28 PM  
Here's a legit question for the more seasoned Android users out there:

One reason I have stuck with an iPhone so far is the sort album metadata, which allows me to actually sort albums within an artist chronologically. I just googled it and DoubleTwist doesn't support that metadata, and thus doesn't give you a method for sorting albums chronologically.

Is there a player that does this on Android? I don't care if it's through the iTunes metadata or some other method (although the method would need to allow for more granular sorting than just by year).
 
2013-01-07 04:00:27 PM  

narkor: Electronic brand association has replaced for many the touchstone of identity that was once provided by nationality, race, or religion.

It's a whacky prediction, but it isn't impossible that in the future there will be hate crimes perpetrated not on the basis of sexuality, race, or religion - but instead on loyalty to a particular brand.


My shoes, let me show you them. See also, Starter jackets.

www.riseandgrind.com
 
2013-01-07 04:03:52 PM  
Got my wife an Evo 4g smartphone for Christmas, which has a bigger screen than the Iphone and the slightly gimmicky ability to shoot and reord in 3-d and playback 3-d on the screen, The carrier had it one sale for $100 off so I snagged an HTC One X with Beats audio for my musi- loving son for about $100.  The wife and kid suprised me with a Nexus 7, which I adore.  All totalled the three devices cost less than a single Iphone 4 and the all have virtually indentical capabilites.  This, more than anything else is why Android is and will continue to replace Apple as the dominant device platform going forward, especially since the latest Consumer Reports test of smartphones ranked  I-devices last on thier list.
 
2013-01-07 04:05:12 PM  

burndtdan: Is there a player that does this on Android?


I believe Mixzing can do that. I don't have it, but as I recall a lot of Classic Music and Rap fans (genres where performers might get credit on just one track of an album) like the wide variety of metadata sorting options it has.
 
2013-01-07 04:14:38 PM  

Magorn: Got my wife an Evo 4g smartphone for Christmas, which has a bigger screen than the Iphone and the slightly gimmicky ability to shoot and reord in 3-d and playback 3-d on the screen, The carrier had it one sale for $100 off so I snagged an HTC One X with Beats audio for my musi- loving son for about $100.  The wife and kid suprised me with a Nexus 7, which I adore.  All totalled the three devices cost less than a single Iphone 4 and the all have virtually indentical capabilites.  This, more than anything else is why Android is and will continue to replace Apple as the dominant device platform going forward, especially since the latest Consumer Reports test of smartphones ranked  I-devices last on thier list.


Last I checked (ATT), the iPhone 4 was 99 cents with contract. I'm guessing the phones you picked up were also contract phones. So I'm trying to see where your coming up with your figures. Even if you were comparing with the iPhone 5, it's $199 with contract.
 
2013-01-07 04:15:28 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: theflatline: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

I love having it on my Galaxy S2. Never mind that I've never used it, nor do I see any situation that I ever will use it, but hey, it's there.

I do like having a larger screen and MicroSD.

I have an S2 Skyrocket on Tmobile, as I prefer to use them as they are not locked down as the GSM carrier I work for, and have no problems with the phone.  Whose is yours on?

The S2 still has more features than the I5 and came a year earlier.

As for as battery issues, I go two days, try Juice Defender best battery management and app scheduler ever.

AT&T (ugh). After my contract is up, I'll be moving to a no contract probably with T-mobile. I would look at the Nexus 4, except for what ever reason, Google decided not to include a MicroSD card option.


I highly recommend Virgin Mobile, Their Evo 4g is on sale for $100 off right now (total cost $150)  if you go to their website as opposed to buying it at a retailer, and it's hard to beat $35/mo for unlimited text and data and 300 voice minutes (especially since unlike Apple, the Evo lets you run Skype's voice chat feature).  The one caveat is that V-mobile uses Sprint's Wi-max 4g network rather than the LTE one, but coverage is pretty good even so and the wife has no complaints about data speed
 
2013-01-07 04:21:05 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Magorn: Got my wife an Evo 4g smartphone for Christmas, which has a bigger screen than the Iphone and the slightly gimmicky ability to shoot and reord in 3-d and playback 3-d on the screen, The carrier had it one sale for $100 off so I snagged an HTC One X with Beats audio for my musi- loving son for about $100.  The wife and kid suprised me with a Nexus 7, which I adore.  All totalled the three devices cost less than a single Iphone 4 and the all have virtually indentical capabilites.  This, more than anything else is why Android is and will continue to replace Apple as the dominant device platform going forward, especially since the latest Consumer Reports test of smartphones ranked  I-devices last on thier list.

Last I checked (ATT), the iPhone 4 was 99 cents with contract. I'm guessing the phones you picked up were also contract phones. So I'm trying to see where your coming up with your figures. Even if you were comparing with the iPhone 5, it's $199 with contract.


Virgin Mobile Usa   Yes it's a pre-paid but given it's $35/mo for unlimited data and text and 300 Voice minutes, it's the best deal of any cell phone plan I've been able to find.  They sell the I-phone 4s for $449 (which is only 3g capable),  I paid $150 for the Wife's Evo 4G, $100 for the Kid's HTC One X (it's off sale an now $150)   and they tell me they got the Nexus on some kind of Black-friday-esque deal that made it under $200
 
2013-01-07 04:22:04 PM  

likefunbutnot: The first thing you're missing is that there are fixed, objective goal posts that do not move. Yours keep moving. Just because you are not using some functionality does not mean that no one else wants or needs it.


How is it moving the goalpost to point out that my iPhone gives me 11 different options for sharing a document when refuting the assertion that the iPhone doesn't allow sharing among apps? Odd comment.

likefunbutnot: I don't even allow itunes on my OS X machine. It's a ridiculous and arbitrary limitation of Apple's architecture. I won't even get in to how shiatty Apple's media formatting requirements are.


Ok. I am sure that whatever puritan approach you are using works wonders for you. That does not seem like a general consumer-level concern to me.

likefunbutnot: iOS won't even let users store files unless they're associated with an application on the device, and even then you're more or less stuck doing the data transfer through itunes or some cloud storage service.


So you can't use your phone/table as an external usb drive? Maybe that is because it is not an external usb drive. You may really like sporks, but I am fine owning both a spoon and a fork.

likefunbutnot: It seems to me that you're allowing Apple to dictate your understanding of what a device should do.


Not really. A phone should be able to make calls (here is where you can really burn the iPhone). A smart-phone should allow you to access information on the go. I don't criticize a car for not being being able to mow my lawn, and I don't criticize a smart-phone for not being a storage device.
 
2013-01-07 04:25:53 PM  

likefunbutnot: I can say that I know a bunch businesses as small as five or six people and as big as Price Waterhouse Coopers that go through completely batshiat insane gymnastics to make ithings worth have a crap in their organizations.


I can say that every single business I've ever worked for has done even more insane things getting Windows to work in the server room. I've seen companies tie themselves up in knots dicking with single sign-on, Active Directory, Sharepoint (the most ridiculous by far), Office Messenger, various Windows videoconference and meeting solutions, various versions of Office on the desktop, etc. When it comes to Microsoft products, The Enterprise seems to have no limit to the expense and security they will sacrifice to use them. The Enterprise LOVES Oracle and will trample each other to cut six-figure license fees and consulting paychecks.

My version of "batshiat insane gymnastics" is an 18-month, unsuccessful project costing $2MM-$3MM so that people don't have to type in their password three times. What's yours? A couple of extra buttons for the lazy-ass IT guy to click on? Not using some proprietary encryption software that they bought that only works on Blackberry because they're farking morons and buy proprietary shiat > 2000?

In short, fark the Enterprise. Nothing they do is good, nothing they do turns out right, is well-managed or organized and every single thing called "Enterprise" always looks like shiat and is terrifically expensive for seemingly no reason. I have had an office job working in The Enterprise for 20 years. For mega-companies that eat PWC for breakfast, and for little startups with five people. None of them, not a ONE, are better off for using "Enterprise-class" products.

The whole thing is a huge scam.

Mr Guy: If the phone doesn't support an option that has a large following, it's a deficiency they should address, don't you think?


My car isn't a bicycle or a truck and that's fine. The Windows philosophy is "all things to all people", and Windows, probably as a result, sucks. 20% marketshare, with millions of devices deployed and lots of commerce going through the ecosystem, all happening according to some grand design is a choice piece of work. It's probably the biggest corporate accomplishment of the 21st century so far. Let it be.
 
2013-01-07 04:28:41 PM  

GameSprocket: likefunbutnot: The first thing you're missing is that there are fixed, objective goal posts that do not move. Yours keep moving. Just because you are not using some functionality does not mean that no one else wants or needs it.

How is it moving the goalpost to point out that my iPhone gives me 11 different options for sharing a document when refuting the assertion that the iPhone doesn't allow sharing among apps? Odd comment.

likefunbutnot: I don't even allow itunes on my OS X machine. It's a ridiculous and arbitrary limitation of Apple's architecture. I won't even get in to how shiatty Apple's media formatting requirements are.

Ok. I am sure that whatever puritan approach you are using works wonders for you. That does not seem like a general consumer-level concern to me.

likefunbutnot: iOS won't even let users store files unless they're associated with an application on the device, and even then you're more or less stuck doing the data transfer through itunes or some cloud storage service.

So you can't use your phone/table as an external usb drive? Maybe that is because it is not an external usb drive. You may really like sporks, but I am fine owning both a spoon and a fork.

likefunbutnot: It seems to me that you're allowing Apple to dictate your understanding of what a device should do.

Not really. A phone should be able to make calls (here is where you can really burn the iPhone). A smart-phone should allow you to access information on the go. I don't criticize a car for not being being able to mow my lawn, and I don't criticize a smart-phone for not being a storage device.


You've basically admitted at this point that Android has more functionality than iOS. But since YOU don't use those functions, who cares?
 
2013-01-07 04:35:30 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: steamingpile: Android is more stable than iOS at this time but of course if you put an new os on an old device then its not going to perform as well, just like my old iPhone 3G ran like shiat after a few updates when the 4 came out.

Um, no. It's not.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 is not at all what I would call stable. Randoms shutdowns, erratic battery times. And if you go to other boards, you will see that this is not a unique problem.
Meanwhile, my wife's iPhone 4 chugs away with no problems.


Odd. My Samsung Galaxy S2 runs perfectly and flawlessly. Are you doing something weird with it?
 
2013-01-07 04:38:23 PM  
I know people love their iPhones. I wasn't one of those people. I'm not going to say that what works for me should work for everyone but I love Swype, Flash (do iPhones run that now?), and my widgets plus I HATE iTunes (although I understand you don't HAVE to use that anymore?). I am perfectly happy with my phone, it does everything I could want it to do, and there's nothing that an iPhone does that it can't.

Either way, I don't see why people get all angry about it. It's my phone, not yours. It's almost as stupid as caring what TV shows I like or what beer I drink or what music I listen to.
 
2013-01-07 04:40:09 PM  

meanmutton: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: steamingpile: Android is more stable than iOS at this time but of course if you put an new os on an old device then its not going to perform as well, just like my old iPhone 3G ran like shiat after a few updates when the 4 came out.

Um, no. It's not.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 is not at all what I would call stable. Randoms shutdowns, erratic battery times. And if you go to other boards, you will see that this is not a unique problem.
Meanwhile, my wife's iPhone 4 chugs away with no problems.

Odd. My Samsung Galaxy S2 runs perfectly and flawlessly. Are you doing something weird with it?


Not anything I'd admit in public.
 
2013-01-07 04:43:54 PM  

wholedamnshow: You've basically admitted at this point that Android has more functionality than iOS. But since YOU don't use those functions, who cares?


Actually, I phrased my original point very specifically. I asked for functions that can be performed on Android but not iOS.

So far, the only real function that has passed that test is file sharing between individuals (as opposed to multiple devices owned by the same person) and using the device as an external drive. The rest has all been different methods of performing the same functions.

I would assume there are more ways to share files among iOS users, but Apple has not made that very easy. So, I concede those points, if that makes any difference to anyone.
 
2013-01-07 04:51:42 PM  
I had an iPod touch that started randomly crashing out of apps back to the home screen after about a year--just after the warranty ran out. It affected every app, and even a factory reset (Apple's suggested solution) didn't fix it. Sold it and never looked back.
 
2013-01-07 04:52:46 PM  

GameSprocket: wholedamnshow: You've basically admitted at this point that Android has more functionality than iOS. But since YOU don't use those functions, who cares?

Actually, I phrased my original point very specifically. I asked for functions that can be performed on Android but not iOS.

So far, the only real function that has passed that test is file sharing between individuals (as opposed to multiple devices owned by the same person) and using the device as an external drive. The rest has all been different methods of performing the same functions.

I would assume there are more ways to share files among iOS users, but Apple has not made that very easy. So, I concede those points, if that makes any difference to anyone.


Even if we just took those two, those are two things I would consider must-haves on a smartphone.
 
2013-01-07 05:03:55 PM  
Jesus Christ, this article was maddening. I don't want to have anything to do with a guy who builds a religion around a farking gizmo company. My best friend's obsessions are macrame and her pet geese. We get along splendidly.
 
2013-01-07 05:41:46 PM  

Linux_Yes: Linux and Open Source is the Future. get used to it.


Glad you're including Apple and OS X in there at least.

I'd love to see a modern distro without CUPS.
 
2013-01-07 05:49:22 PM  

YodaBlues: theflatline:
2. They are working hand in hand with the government so that any iphone user with NFC can be tracked.  They even filed a patent on it.


Well that's dumb as hell. NFC only has a range of about 1-2 feet and GPS works pretty much everywhere.


Not to mention you're already carrying around a device that is literally broadcasting your location to a private entity that is legally protected when it tells the government what you're up to.

/not a tinfoil hatter, just amazed at the stupidity that someone doesn't understand that a cell phone means you can be tracked
//have you not seen Pineapple Express, man? Smash that shiat!
 
2013-01-07 05:49:53 PM  

Bullseyed: Most drivers don't need their car to go over 55 MPH. If you have the choice between two identical cars, one with a top speed of 55 MPH that costs more or a cheaper car that can go up to 120 MPH, which do you pick?


What's the mileage like (if it's second hand), the MPG, how much for a service? Is the paperwork all in order? Is the car in good condition? How big is the fuel tank? Aircon? CD changer? DAB? Parking assist? How big is the engine?

Your analogy falls apart because the average person doesn't generally buy a car on it's theoretical top speed alone. It also falls apart because blatantly the cars aren't identical; they have different top speeds.
 
2013-01-07 06:22:59 PM  

thornhill: As much as it may disgust you, most people just use their computers for internet, word process, e-mail, doing their taxes, and some photo editing.


LOLWUT
 
2013-01-07 06:50:18 PM  

GameSprocket: Actually, I phrased my original point very specifically. I asked for functions that can be performed on Android but not iOS.

So far, the only real function that has passed that test is file sharing between individuals (as opposed to multiple devices owned by the same person) and using the device as an external drive. The rest has all been different methods of performing the same functions.

I would assume there are more ways to share files among iOS users, but Apple has not made that very easy. So, I concede those points, if that makes any difference to anyone.


The ability to replace one piece of software with another equivalent piece of software is a function.
 
2013-01-07 07:30:29 PM  
I didn't rtfa but I think Google should stop making android more like ios. Also their programs are more focused on having something new than something that works. Case in point: Google Music. They've pushed streaming onto phones and broken playback from SD card when most people can't afford the data plans required to use streaming music outside their home.
 
2013-01-07 07:37:37 PM  

JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?


NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.
 
2013-01-07 08:20:42 PM  
moothemagiccow:
NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.

No, it's not. It's for stupidly simple sharing of data. One aspect of it is sharing your cc data with cc terminals.

The two major (other reasons) are:
1) Windows Phone, Android and Blackberry can share data between platforms. If you want to, for example, share your business card with someone -- you just back to back any of these three smartphone devices within the past year-ish or so (more on certain platforms)
2) Stupidly simply Bluetooth (or any other) pairing. RIM and Samsung have devices that you just need to put next to your phone to pair up and use. There might even be routers that transfer the key over to the device just by placing the phone on it -- no more easily guessable passwords!
3) Smart actions. See Samsung TecTiles and Sony's equivalent (though you can use your own, buying them straight up from any NFC vendors)

There's probably more, but these are the major uses so far.
 
2013-01-07 08:22:15 PM  

GameSprocket: How is it moving the goalpost to point out that my iPhone gives me 11 different options for sharing a document when refuting the assertion that the iPhone doesn't allow sharing among apps? Odd comment.


Because iOS doesn't allow sharing between apps in and of itself. The application developers have to handle on an app-to-app basis, which is why it's so goddamned inconsistent.

GameSprocket: Ok. I am sure that whatever puritan approach you are using works wonders for you. That does not seem like a general consumer-level concern to me.


Locking a shiat-ton of functionality for a device away in a desktop app that not everyone has (e.g. Linux users) or wants to use is a pretty huge functional issue. I'd call it a design failure, actually.

GameSprocket: So you can't use your phone/table as an external usb drive? Maybe that is because it is not an external usb drive. You may really like sporks, but I am fine owning both a spoon and a fork.


Most (but not all) of my Android devices can be used as external drives. A few of them can only be accessed via MTP, a file transfer protocol that's mainly used for cameras and music players that don't want to support a full-featured filesystem access. All of them can be used as SMB or NFS clients or servers that I can connect with wirelessly using standard software that's already built in to every notebook and desktop I use. Any of those ways is still substantially better than requiring me to dock and then drag a file to a particular app in itunes, and that's incredibly handy for something that has 60GB or more of flash-based storage, fits in a pocket and is always about or near my person.

What possible reason could you have to object to that sort of capability?

GameSprocket: Not really. A phone should be able to make calls (here is where you can really burn the iPhone). A smart-phone should allow you to access information on the go. I don't criticize a car for not being being able to mow my lawn, and I don't criticize a smart-phone for not being a storage device.


Computers can do things. Your idevice is technically a computer. Your iphone has a long, long list of things it can't do for no reason more than "Apple doesn't want you to." You keep finding excuses that boil down to your personal preference and/or an inability to understand that others might have needs or interests that are different from yours.
 
2013-01-07 08:25:45 PM  

bifford: Jesus Christ, this article was maddening. I don't want to have anything to do with a guy who builds a religion around a farking gizmo company. My best friend's obsessions are macrame and her pet geese. We get along splendidly.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-07 08:32:35 PM  

Vaneshi: Linux_Yes: Linux and Open Source is the Future. get used to it.

Glad you're including Apple and OS X in there at least.

I'd love to see a modern distro without CUPS.


Apple bought CUPS, they did not develop it.
 
2013-01-07 10:31:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: JohnHall: The All-Powerful Atheismo: iProducts don't support NFC so fark them.

That's irrelevant for anyone with Verizon, no?

NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.


NFC can be used for a ton of different things.

I just did a project where we used an NFC device and a fingerprint reader as a security system.
 
2013-01-08 07:29:07 AM  

Mikey1969: Seriously, with so many items not available on the iPhone, what is in that damned store?


Profit.
 
2013-01-08 08:28:46 AM  

SleepingEye: moothemagiccow:
NFC works, it just doesn't do payments. That's probably the entire point of it, I dunno. Nfarkind of sucks.

No, it's not. It's for stupidly simple sharing of data. One aspect of it is sharing your cc data with cc terminals.

The two major (other reasons) are:
1) Windows Phone, Android and Blackberry can share data between platforms. If you want to, for example, share your business card with someone -- you just back to back any of these three smartphone devices within the past year-ish or so (more on certain platforms)
2) Stupidly simply Bluetooth (or any other) pairing. RIM and Samsung have devices that you just need to put next to your phone to pair up and use. There might even be routers that transfer the key over to the device just by placing the phone on it -- no more easily guessable passwords!
3) Smart actions. See Samsung TecTiles and Sony's equivalent (though you can use your own, buying them straight up from any NFC vendors)

There's probably more, but these are the major uses so far.


The photo sharing thing is kind of terrible. The process is: ready thing to be sent, while holding phones together, press send on one phone. When prompted, press receive on other phone. The initial distance is too short. I did it with a friend and he didn't want to actually let go of his phone to facilitate the transfer. I imagine it'd be more awkward with business associate who thinks maybe they have that feature.

#2 sounds rather good, especially for obtaining cafe/restaurant Wifi. But as a personal interaction method it's weak.
 
2013-01-08 12:56:37 PM  
GameSprocket's argument is bizarre. Based on his line of thinking, there's no real difference between a Pontiac Aztec and a Rolls Royce Phantom. They will both do the same basic thing (with the help of third party accessories) and the method, the way they do it, is completely irrelevant. That makes them comparable. But for this example to be accurate the prices of both would be switched.

"But the Phantom is a hell of a lot more comfortable and has better convinces!" Personal preferences are irrelevant. As long as the end result is the same the amount of ease and/or headache, time, and effort required to get there is unimportant and therefore not to be considered. I also like how when Android does it better, that's just your opinion and therefore doesn't matter. When it's something superior on Android (such as widgets) that he doesn't like, then his opinion (that they're not worth using) does matter and that makes it ok to not have them.

It comes off as a weird form of Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2013-01-08 11:17:52 PM  
General public is too stupid for android. I worked cell phone retail for 10 years, saw the dawn and rise of it all. Customer service and technical support ratio for android vs apple was seriously 10:1 yet sales of apple vs android was 10:1.

Yes I'm a fanboy. I'm a huge fan of selling shiat that sells and never comes back.
 
2013-01-09 01:58:22 AM  

moothemagiccow: The photo sharing thing is kind of terrible. The process is: ready thing to be sent, while holding phones together, press send on one phone. When prompted, press receive on other phone. The initial distance is too short. I did it with a friend and he didn't want to actually let go of his phone to facilitate the transfer. I imagine it'd be more awkward with business associate who thinks maybe they have that feature.


On Windows Phones it is actually quite a bit more intuitive. You just go to the photo, go to the options and select share, pick out Tap + Send from the really long list of ways to share the photo, then it activates NFC. You then just tap the back of the phone with another NFC enabled Windows device (WP8 phone, Win RT tablet, or Win 8 computer) and then the receiving device prompts you to allow the transfer. You don't have to hold the devices together when you do it, just a quick tap does it. It makes way more sense than the method you describe.
 
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