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2013-01-07 02:30:38 PM  
I've went to "didnt care" when I was younger to rightish agnostic/Catholic during my 20s to libertarianish/"Spiritualist" with Christian leanings today. I approach fiscial and social matters with my emotions and conciousness/metaphysical items with science which Ill be the first to admit seems out of place but it works for me.
 
2013-01-07 02:33:09 PM  

cranked: occamswrist: Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

I agree that bias is inevitable, in reporting and Fark posting. I think your "democrat = poor therefor NPR = poor" bias is showing.

Comparing the motivation for bias between a news source that is driven by political propaganda / profit and another that has little to no motivation (beyond your personal bias) as equally stinky shiat struck me as odd. Your followup cleared it up: BSABSEMYS.


I couldn't follow your equation and I don't know what bsabsemys.

So for-profit organizations are more biased than non-profits? I thought all political organizations were non-profit.
 
2013-01-07 02:36:30 PM  

cranked: occamswrist: Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

I agree that bias is inevitable, in reporting and Fark posting. I think your "democrat = poor therefor NPR = poor" bias is showing.

Comparing the motivation for bias between a news source that is driven by political propaganda / profit and another that has little to no motivation (beyond your personal bias) as equally stinky shiat struck me as odd. Your followup cleared it up: BSABSEMYS.


I forgot to mention --- in one of my posts I state fox news shiat stinks the worst.

If in an earlier post I said they were "equal" then I take that back.
 
2013-01-07 02:39:50 PM  
I grew up in a house where both parents were super hippies. I've got pictures of my dad during the sixties when he was going to school at berkeley and he fit the stereotypical hippy to a "t".

Perhaps it's because he made me read Mao's Little Red Book as a kid, or because he always went on and on about how evil corporations were that pushed me to become a conservative. But growing up in that environment I can honestly say that I know the liberal point of view better than most liberals and have realized that that line of thinking can be devestating to the well being of the country.

Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.
 
2013-01-07 02:40:21 PM  

occamswrist: I thought all political organizations were non-profit.


Ok then.
 
2013-01-07 02:43:48 PM  

Elzar: darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality

Lol - my parent take this tack - aging hippies who found Jeebus in their 30s. They have 0 savings set aside for retirement except for the meager amount of SS they take from claiming at 62. Everytime I talk to them I get to hear about how Jesus is coming back any day now to cleanse the world from wickedness, swoop down with his magical unicorn and make everything kumbiya.

/ Religion especially evangelical protestantism is the most farked up shiat ever foisted on humanity
// Go ahead and put your last coins into the offering plate, god will provide...


Not being religious myself I may not be entitled to an interpretation, but I'll go ahead anyway: God has provided and left it up to us (his children) not to fark up his gifts.
 
2013-01-07 02:44:01 PM  

darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality


www.genrebusters.com

I tell my kids, "This is not the same person I grew up with. You are looking at an old woman who is trying to get into Heaven."
 
2013-01-07 02:46:37 PM  

cakeman: my wife is very left wing I will try new foods my latest is Vietnamese restaurants


what is this I don't even
 
2013-01-07 02:48:53 PM  

occamswrist: in one of my posts I state fox news shiat stinks the worst


Fair enough... for what it's worth NPR makes me want to throat punch my radio at times - for being too conservative. That from a social liberal, fiscal conservative type.
 
2013-01-07 02:49:13 PM  

cranked: occamswrist: I thought all political organizations were non-profit.

Ok then.


Your argument was that NPR being nonprofit made them less biased than a for-profit company. I simply disagree that profit-motive is a sufficient method to determine bias.

Many Super PACs are set up by non-profits and I think we both agree that superPACs are biased.

I also brought up social identity theory to explain why all people, including reporters are biased. Why don't you want to follow that train of thought? Do you hate science?
 
2013-01-07 02:50:49 PM  
yah..at about 14 when your parents cant force you to weekly brainwashing and eye closing...

when you start noticing science..
 
2013-01-07 02:52:59 PM  
I was a conservative little jerk as a kid. I'm embarrassed of the things I once believed. Then I moved out and got a job. Boy, did that wake me up! As I get older, I let more and more crap just fall away. It's soooo relaxing.
 
2013-01-07 02:54:24 PM  

cranked: occamswrist: in one of my posts I state fox news shiat stinks the worst

Fair enough... for what it's worth NPR makes me want to throat punch my radio at times - for being too conservative. That from a social liberal, fiscal conservative type.


That's funny. The first two minutes I watch bill O'Reilly I think "yeah you tell them!"

And then from 2 to 4 minutes I think "well, not necessarily bill because you aren't taking into account A, B, and C".

And then from 4 minutes on I think "fark this guy".
 
2013-01-07 03:01:02 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.


They seem to be comparing people in different age brackets now, which tells us nothing about how people change over time. Interviewing the same people at different ages would take a lot longer, but there have been a few famous studies of that sort.
 
2013-01-07 03:06:42 PM  

occamswrist: rumpelstiltskin: occamswrist:
Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

Fox news is farking terrible at this, but just because their shiat stinks the worst it doesn't mean yours doesn't stink.

Or reporters could be unbiased, yet vote Democratic because their research leads them to believe the Republicans are full of shiat.

Right, there is a difference between being right/wrong and being biased/unbiased wrt a particular issue.

Social identity theory (a scientific theory!) tells us reporters are likely to discriminate against their "out-group".

Unless you propose reporters are robots this here sicual identity theory tells me reporters will express bias against republicans.


But what is the reporter's out group? For example, is it politicians in general, or politicans of a particular party? Is a reporter more likely to say, "I'm a Democrat", or "I'm not a politician"? Which is the identity that matters? For me, it might be the party identity. For a reporter, who's life it is to hound politicians, I can see how that might not be true- he might view the world as reporters versus politicians, and not democrats versus republicans.
 
2013-01-07 03:10:46 PM  

tbhouston: yah..at about 14 when your parents cant force you to weekly brainwashing and eye closing...

when you start noticing science..


You didnt notice "science" as much as you noticed "focus point of stereotypical teenage rebelion"
 
2013-01-07 03:15:55 PM  

occamswrist: Your argument was that NPR being nonprofit made them less biased than a for-profit company.


I don't see NPR as less biased due to being a non-profit, just that it doesn't have the huge bias force that Fox does. Reporter bias should be somewhat more random and, if subject to decent journalistic and editorial standards, much weaker. Daily poor people sob stories due to reporters voting Dem doesn't seem very scientific.

Something like this might be a bit more scientific, if it wasn't a decade old.
 
2013-01-07 03:18:47 PM  
your brain isn't creating as many new connections when you get older, as such your brain tends to become more and more "orderly" and "in-line", even artists tend to become less experimental and focus instead on perfecting styles they pioneered at an age when their brains were firing more randomly

what we call conservatism or being a conservative is more simply wanting less deviation and more focus on core things important to us, and simply put that kind of pursuit is what makes people happier as they age so yeah... there will always be conservative feelings even if what we qualify as conservative today doesn't match up in 40 years
 
2013-01-07 03:25:36 PM  
Secret to happiness?
Faster horses
Older whiskey
Younger women
 
2013-01-07 03:29:55 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: occamswrist: rumpelstiltskin: occamswrist:
Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

Fox news is farking terrible at this, but just because their shiat stinks the worst it doesn't mean yours doesn't stink.

Or reporters could be unbiased, yet vote Democratic because their research leads them to believe the Republicans are full of shiat.

Right, there is a difference between being right/wrong and being biased/unbiased wrt a particular issue.

Social identity theory (a scientific theory!) tells us reporters are likely to discriminate against their "out-group".

Unless you propose reporters are robots this here sicual identity theory tells me reporters will express bias against republicans.

But what is the reporter's out group? For example, is it politicians in general, or politicans of a particular party? Is a reporter more likely to say, "I'm a Democrat", or "I'm not a politician"? Which is the identity that matters? For me, it might be the party identity. For a reporter, who's life it is to hound politicians, I can see how that might not be true- he might view the world as reporters versus politicians, and not democrats versus republicans.


http://mobile.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/19/rep ort-media-coverage-of-obama-turned-more-favorable

Its both. Reporters can view other reporters as their in group and politicians as their out-group. But since 80% of reporters vote for Democratic presidential candidates its obvious they will view Democratic politicians more favorably than republican ones.
 
2013-01-07 03:30:25 PM  

AdamK: is more simply wanting less deviation


Good point, but I'd think this would manifest as conserving your current feelings rather than replacing them with conservative feelings.

I've been testing and refining my value system over decades, becoming more grateful and liberal as I've enjoyed the benefits of society. I'm very unlikely to suddenly become a staunch conservative but I probably have slowed down on the testing and refining (focused and less experimental, as you stated).
 
2013-01-07 03:31:25 PM  

Pick: After 4 years, going on five, I still believe, we should impeach Obama. He is indeed the worst POTUS we have ever had.


He ain't no Kennedy.
 
2013-01-07 03:35:15 PM  
Regular news stories aren't very different among the news organizations, its the fluff pieces that i dont consider to be todays pressing news that I think are selected based on political leanings.

Except fox news, they could turn any story political.
 
2013-01-07 03:35:53 PM  

cranked: occamswrist: Your argument was that NPR being nonprofit made them less biased than a for-profit company.

I don't see NPR as less biased due to being a non-profit, just that it doesn't have the huge bias force that Fox does. Reporter bias should be somewhat more random and, if subject to decent journalistic and editorial standards, much weaker. Daily poor people sob stories due to reporters voting Dem doesn't seem very scientific.

Something like this might be a bit more scientific, if it wasn't a decade old.


I like that survey:

"Additionally, there are several indicators throughout the survey that demonstrate the extent to which the public values public broadcasting. For example, only one-in-ten Americans (10%) would say that a per capita expenditure of $1.30 in taxpayer funds is "too much" for the government to be spending on public broadcasting. Nearly half (48%) say the amount is "too little" and roughly one-third (35%) say the amount is "about right.""

This is called sales research.

/I'm in the field.
//Good jorb, PBS. CYA.
 
2013-01-07 03:40:14 PM  
People change as they get older. As teenagers we rebel against the obvious stupidity of our received wisdom, and as we complete various stages of life we either affirm or deny our beliefs depending on how we imagine life is going for us. Confirmation bias and inerita are powerful things, and we don't change velocity so much as we change trajectory: a fanatic will choose something new to be fanatical about. One thing remains constant, and that is the belief that our good will justifies any action, no matter where it lead us before.
 
2013-01-07 03:43:11 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It applies to both sides. The echo chamber doesn't care if it's a Rapeublican or a Fascist. Neither side is willing to think that something else is possible.

Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.


Not the case. At least not with most issues. The right is intractable to the point that they want to legislate everyone into acting like they do. The left typically wants legislation that allows people to act the way they want to act. Anti-gun and PETA being the exception rather than the rule.
 
2013-01-07 03:43:31 PM  
Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"
 
2013-01-07 03:47:27 PM  

monoski: loonatic112358: considering my mother was a flower child and is now a hard core conservative, all I can say to the study is no shiat

My aunt was a peace corps volunteer, pot smoker and liberal politics, now a hardcore GOP supporter (even a Paul Ryan support from WI), she did have a big bike accident with a closed head injury so maybe brain damage causes Republican tendencies



I can't prove anything -- absent any data, to be honest my analysis might say more about my own prejudices than anything else -- but I think cocaine helped it along by changing a generation's default personality type from peacenik/hedonist/idealist to fark-you-I-got-mine. When coke became a Boomer craze in the mid-late 70s the population of self-important entitled douchenozzles exploded overnight, and it's not too much of a stretch to imagine a political party morphing to appeal to a landscape suddenly littered with assholes.
 
2013-01-07 03:54:18 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"


Nah, he was a moron.
 
2013-01-07 03:54:28 PM  

dustygrimp: Smeggy Smurf: It applies to both sides. The echo chamber doesn't care if it's a Rapeublican or a Fascist. Neither side is willing to think that something else is possible.

Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

Not the case. At least not with most issues. The right is intractable to the point that they want to legislate everyone into acting like they do. The left typically wants legislation that allows people to act the way they want to act. Anti-gun and PETA being the exception rather than the rule.


And regulations on businesses that extract resources like fuel, people's time, revenue from sales, and other extractive processes that damage the environment like welding. And making things. Whenever you make things it could be bad for the environment. Also, when people don't recycle, that should probably be banned because it's better to use more resources recycling than extracting, which is bad. And playing certain sports is also bad, because people get hurt. We shouldn't have sports where people could injure each other, so there's no UFC in San Francisco. We don't like people getting hurt. Also when people spank their kids; that's bad.
 
Ant
2013-01-07 03:58:49 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"


Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.
 
2013-01-07 04:00:06 PM  

Ant: Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"

Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.


If you're not trolling (and for the edification of n00bz), yes. It's at http://www.fark.com/users and you have to be logged in.
 
2013-01-07 04:10:42 PM  

monoski: loonatic112358: considering my mother was a flower child and is now a hard core conservative, all I can say to the study is no shiat

My aunt was a peace corps volunteer, pot smoker and liberal politics, now a hardcore GOP supporter (even a Paul Ryan support from WI), she did have a big bike accident with a closed head injury so maybe brain damage causes Republican tendencies


mom's never had an accident

I think it was a reset back to her upbringing, and the gradual creep from financial conservatism to whatever the hell they really are tese days
/oh great
//fark me
 
2013-01-07 04:12:48 PM  

Wangiss: Ant: Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"

Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.

If you're not trolling (and for the edification of n00bz), yes. It's at http://www.fark.com/users and you have to be logged in.


Can we use the same email address and change our user name? That would be nice...
 
2013-01-07 04:13:04 PM  

mongbiohazard: I turned to athiesm when I was 13. I'm still an athiest. When we were kids my dad took us to every religious denomination he could think of, and wanted to expose us to everything he could. Now he is Mr. Super-Catholic Man who says if he could do it all again he'd have sent all us kids to a Jesuit school and forced me to keep attending church - Catholic church this time - even after I became an athiest. So basically he's turned so hard right he thinks some of the best things he did when he was younger were actually terrible mistakes. It's like religion ate part of his brain.


My older sister was a beatnik who spent a year abroad, went to Richie Havens concerts, and lived in a loft with a painter for a decade. Now she's on team Palin and has converted to some odd Judaism (except with more jesus) sect. Big trouble when you mention christmas to the grandchildren. big trouble. Keep in mind this is rural Alabama we are talking about.
 
Ant
2013-01-07 04:16:47 PM  

Wangiss: Ant: Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"

Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.

If you're not trolling (and for the edification of n00bz), yes. It's at http://www.fark.com/users and you have to be logged in.


I'm not seeing it. I can see my recent posts, but what about from like 2002 or so?
 
2013-01-07 04:19:25 PM  

8 inches: Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.


Because capitalism is so perfect without regulation? Uh, huh.
 
2013-01-07 04:19:36 PM  

cranked: AdamK: is more simply wanting less deviation

Good point, but I'd think this would manifest as conserving your current feelings rather than replacing them with conservative feelings.

I've been testing and refining my value system over decades, becoming more grateful and liberal as I've enjoyed the benefits of society. I'm very unlikely to suddenly become a staunch conservative but I probably have slowed down on the testing and refining (focused and less experimental, as you stated).


life is trial and error basically, what you define as important or consistent is something you grow into and not necessarily are born with

back to political or cultural conservatism, simply put it all revolves around death... the threat of loss makes people more protective, and as we all know loss is something that changes who we are or value... thus it's easy to see people becoming more conservative in the american sense
 
2013-01-07 04:24:28 PM  

occamswrist: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Your shiat stinks too but you're used to it.


Account created today, huh? I just you are just another fake-ass (but real life) Koch sucker.
 
2013-01-07 04:25:39 PM  

Wangiss: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad there's only corruption and graft on one side of the aisle.


Those issues are not necessarily evil. Try to keep up, Skippy.
 
2013-01-07 04:25:40 PM  

MayoSlather: 8 inches: Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.

Because capitalism is so perfect without regulation? Uh, huh.


I know, right? Remember when 8 inches wrote that? He probably doesn't remember, but you and I, we know what he really thinks. And it's laughable.
 
2013-01-07 04:27:22 PM  

special20: Wangiss: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad there's only corruption and graft on one side of the aisle.

Those issues are not necessarily evil. Try to keep up, Skippy.


Forgive me.
 
2013-01-07 04:39:31 PM  

Wangiss: special20: Wangiss: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad there's only corruption and graft on one side of the aisle.

Those issues are not necessarily evil. Try to keep up, Skippy.

Forgive me.


It's easier than you think. Besides, I am just trollin... and for some reason, all day, the crap I've been posting has had complete words missing, and incomplete thoughts... I'm seriously considering sobriety.

...that's right... I went there.
 
2013-01-07 04:39:36 PM  

Wangiss: MayoSlather: 8 inches: Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.

Because capitalism is so perfect without regulation? Uh, huh.

I know, right? Remember when 8 inches wrote that? He probably doesn't remember, but you and I, we know what he really thinks. And it's laughable.


Strange.
 
2013-01-07 04:50:58 PM  

Pair-o-Dice: mongbiohazard: It's like religion ate part of his brain.

Zombie om nom nom!


Jesus was a lich, not a zombie! ;-)


JohnBigBootay: My older sister was a beatnik who spent a year abroad, went to Richie Havens concerts, and lived in a loft with a painter for a decade. Now she's on team Palin and has converted to some odd Judaism (except with more jesus) sect. Big trouble when you mention christmas to the grandchildren. big trouble. Keep in mind this is rural Alabama we are talking about.



She decided to go messianic jew in rural Alabama? WOW. That was one of the many denominations my old man took me to as a kid. It's not the kind of thing I'd expect in Alabama.... Sounds to me like she really feels the need to rebel against some stuff, eh?
 
2013-01-07 05:16:44 PM  

Ghastly: I was conservative as all fark when I was young. As I grew older and my parents and church had less influence on me and I began to think for myself I realized the world wasn't black and white, good vs. evil, us vs. them now I'm pretty centrist in my views. Of course I'm Canadian, so what is centrist to us is evil, baby killing, communist liberal socialist fascist to Americans. But I can live with that.


Your Conservative Party seems pretty much like our Democratic Party here in the States. ( I've heard that you guys have some bootstrappy 'herp n' 'derp types in Alberta, but they seem to be a small minority on your national political scene, from what I've picked up...)
 
2013-01-07 05:32:54 PM  

Ghastly: I was conservative as all fark when I was young. As I grew older and my parents and church had less influence on me and I began to think for myself I realized the world wasn't black and white, good vs. evil, us vs. them now I'm pretty centrist in my views. Of course I'm Canadian, so what is centrist to us is evil, baby killing, communist liberal socialist fascist to Americans. But I can live with that.


we should ban contrast

i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-01-07 05:36:35 PM  

mongbiohazard: She decided to go messianic jew in rural Alabama? WOW. That was one of the many denominations my old man took me to as a kid. It's not the kind of thing I'd expect in Alabama.... Sounds to me like she really feels the need to rebel against some stuff, eh?


Who knows. She's in her sixties now. I just find the political descent into madness to be completely beguiling. Religion has always seemed crazy to me. What is it about people that makes them so against any and all entitlement programs... only after they themselves are existing almost completely at the pleasure of entitlement programs?
 
2013-01-07 05:46:30 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Let's see... when I was 8 years old I liked to build model ships and program computers.

At 38, I build model ships in computers.

And I've always been as skeptical of religion as I've always have. Even at 7 I knew I was getting glad-handing answers to "Well if God loves me, why did he take my daddy away?"


Did you ever consider that god does not love you? That in fact he might hate you? That he has decided to make your life one of misery and pain for his own personal amusement?

Hey he did it to Job, he could be doing it to you.
 
2013-01-07 05:51:35 PM  
This would imply that people are able to revise their working models when they receive previously unknown information. I don't know if that's believable.
 
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