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2013-01-07 08:30:44 AM
 
2013-01-07 08:58:03 AM
I've grown far more compassionate, far more patient, and far more liberal as I age. Just not always at the same time.
 
2013-01-07 09:31:49 AM
Considering how many people I know who were raised in non-religious environments that later became Bible beaters, I can see that being true.
 
2013-01-07 09:38:02 AM
Derp de derp NO HEART!
Herp he herp NO HEAD!

I am very insightful.
 
2013-01-07 09:50:38 AM
I have been taking precautions early in life to not become a herp/derp in my older years.

One thing I have found is that many people go with the surroundings and don't like to show different opinions.  As soon as they move to a largely herp/derp area they herp/derp with the rest of them.
 
2013-01-07 09:56:04 AM
Yeah, me too.  Looking back on it, I've actually moved from center-right to center-left over the years.

But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.
 
2013-01-07 10:06:28 AM
Yeah I'm still registered republican, only because I never bothered to change it. And I like to fark with the primaries.
 
2013-01-07 10:11:55 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, me too.  Looking back on it, I've actually moved from center-right to center-left over the years.

But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.


It does seem to be their thought process though..... "These kids will just turn 40 and magically become homophobic and paranoid!".
 
2013-01-07 11:11:45 AM

Makh: I have been taking precautions early in life to not become a herp/derp in my older years.

One thing I have found is that many people go with the surroundings and don't like to show different opinions.  As soon as they move to a largely herp/derp area they herp/derp with the rest of them.


When in herp/derp, you can't get fooled again.

/ Retirement is overrated. As someone who has telecommuted nearly 100% for the last decade...
 
2013-01-07 11:20:43 AM
I heard somewhere ( I think NPR) that your tastes kind of freeze at a certain age. So if, for instance, you have tried sushi by age forty, you'll never like it.

I am not sure how this applies to the discussion at hand, but I thought it was interesting.
 
2013-01-07 11:27:52 AM

Sybarite: The full story they link to on CBS News if you don't want to give a WND a click.


And here's the Fark.com thread on this exact study in case you don't want to read a WND thread. Link
 
2013-01-07 11:28:40 AM
I've known two friends, who have done the magical herp/derp flip to Fox News and the echo chamber.

I can only assume it's the same as any kind of propaganda; it shoots for the weak and infects the mentally feeble. The trick is getting them out of it - anything that's instantly digestible and filled with truthiness is bound to find a handful of marks.

The one constant in life is change. If you haven't developed the skills to be flexible (or learned critical thinking), you got off the bus a long time ago.
 
2013-01-07 11:29:50 AM
Brilliant Subby!

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2013-01-07 11:30:38 AM

dletter: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, me too.  Looking back on it, I've actually moved from center-right to center-left over the years.

But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.

It does seem to be their thought process though..... "These kids will just turn 40 and magically become homophobic and paranoid!".


It's been said far too many 'baggers and neo-cons have a hard time believing we're in the 21st century. Personally I think too many of them don't believe we had a 20th century.
 
2013-01-07 11:30:44 AM
I think I might try to work until death. I enjoy my job enough that I really don't mind either way.
 
2013-01-07 11:30:52 AM
Retirement is for losers. Producers do what they love till the day they die.
 
2013-01-07 11:31:24 AM
Yeah, my Dad said this to me, "As you get older, you get more conservative" and my response was, "total bs, you have been conservative from the time you started going to church, it's just worse now because all you listen to is Fox news".

Fox News is the single most scary thing I can think of these days. It's creating a frightening segment of our population that simply will not listen to anything that contradicts their world-view.
 
2013-01-07 11:31:43 AM
considering my mother was a flower child and is now a hard core conservative, all I can say to the study is no shiat
 
2013-01-07 11:32:11 AM
I am 63 when I was at school I was involved with more radical groups like Students for Democractic action now I am more centrist .. my wife is very left wing I will try new foods my latest is Vietnamese restaurants. my crazy derpyness always remains.
 
2013-01-07 11:34:45 AM

Znuh: I've known two friends, who have done the magical herp/derp flip to Fox News and the echo chamber.

I can only assume it's the same as any kind of propaganda; it shoots for the weak and infects the mentally feeble. The trick is getting them out of it - anything that's instantly digestible and filled with truthiness is bound to find a handful of marks.

The one constant in life is change. If you haven't developed the skills to be flexible (or learned critical thinking), you got off the bus a long time ago.


My M-I-L has done that; it is no doubt part-and-parcel of her joining an evangelical megachurch and (I'm sorry to other Republicans that do not share this view) her previously-latent racism brought to the surface by the President's skin color. She's constantly peppering me with questions about "why isn't the mainstream media talking about this thing on Fox?" I just respond by looking up whatever FNN put out, finding the source blog from which they get their "journalism" and read to her the updated, corrected version.

Actually they seem to have stopped challenging me with crap like this lately.  At least she hasn't decided that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
 
2013-01-07 11:34:56 AM
There are no gods. There never have been any gods. This isn't changing anytime soon.
 
2013-01-07 11:36:01 AM

EvilEgg: So if, for instance, you have tried sushi by age forty, you'll never like it.


My lawyer friend took me to lunch when I was 50 and I tried it for the first time.
I'm hooked on it now.
 
2013-01-07 11:37:28 AM

lennavan: Sybarite: The full story they link to on CBS News if you don't want to give a WND a click.

And here's the Fark.com thread on this exact study in case you don't want to read a WND thread. Link


1 of 4 already existing fark threads on the same study reported on by various outlets. For such an obvious and boring study, fark sure is in love with it.
 
2013-01-07 11:39:35 AM
Like Grumpy Cat, I'm pretty sure I always have and always will be confused and annoyed by a large chunk of the population and I do not see that changing. Just might get more violent later on in life at repeated requests that I join in on watch singing and dancing competitions on television.
 
2013-01-07 11:39:56 AM
Yep. If I met ten years younger Holocaust Agnostic I probably couldn't stand him.
 
2013-01-07 11:40:02 AM
I don't believe social security will be around when I retire.

I don't believe any sort of nationalized health care will be around when I retire.

I don't believe that the US government, in the form that exists now, will be around when I retire.

I don't expect these beliefs to change.
 
2013-01-07 11:40:44 AM
Just noticed Fark now has a facility to automatically double-post the same thread. This should save the modmins a lot of work in greenlighting duplicates. Drunken Drew product management FTW.

dcc.vu
/ speaking of Fark features, I hear there is a WYSIWYG HTML editor - anyone know how to turn it on for Firefox (Midas module) ?
 
2013-01-07 11:41:29 AM
I used to be obsessed with Vietnam, because I was enthralled that America would probably never get into such a stupid, pointless war ever again.


Wait.....what?
 
2013-01-07 11:42:31 AM

WhackingDay: Fox News is the single most scary thing I can think of these days. It's creating a frightening segment of our population that simply will not listen to anything that contradicts their world-view.


It applies to both sides. The echo chamber doesn't care if it's a Rapeublican or a Fascist. Neither side is willing to think that something else is possible.

Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.
 
2013-01-07 11:42:38 AM
As you can see by my name, I'm an old coot. I started as ultra-liberal, went to the center and now, because I don't give a shiat about what anyone thinks, I'm ultra-liberal again. I've never had a conservative stand in my life and I can only see someone making a change like that through brain damage, because, to believe some of the Fox News shiat, you've got to be brain damaged.
 
2013-01-07 11:42:56 AM

WhackingDay: Yeah, my Dad said this to me, "As you get older, you get more conservative" and my response was, "total bs, you have been conservative from the time you started going to church, it's just worse now because all you listen to is Fox news".

Fox News is the single most scary thing I can think of these days. It's creating a frightening segment of our population that simply will not listen to anything that contradicts their world-view.


I remember Mr. Show did some sketch that involved a "What To Think" News Network and thought, "Wow, they nailed Fox News before it even existed."
 
2013-01-07 11:43:16 AM
Yesterday my ninety year old mother, who raised me to be tolerant, fair, honest and thoughtful, informed me that Obama's campaign was financed entirely by the taxpayer and Romney had to foot the bill all by himself.
 
2013-01-07 11:46:54 AM

JohnBigBootay: Yesterday my ninety year old mother, who raised me to be tolerant, fair, honest and thoughtful, informed me that Obama's campaign was financed entirely by the taxpayer and Romney had to foot the bill all by himself.


Ugh. It's like Rupert finds this latent asshole switch in people and sends out the signal through Fox News.
 
2013-01-07 11:48:10 AM
Complete opposite for me. For years I was a hardcore republican dittohead. Thought anyone poor was stupid. Then I had kids. I lost my job in 2008 and couldn't find a comparable one until nearly 2010. Had to resort to unemployment and medicaid for the wife and kids. Had to work shiatty menial jobs for awhile.

Now..... Rush and the Right can go get farked in the ear.
 
2013-01-07 11:48:30 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, me too.  Looking back on it, I've actually moved from center-right to center-left over the years.

But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.


I was a Bible-believing, Christian right-winger in high school but moved to an atheist, left-libertarian in my 30s. Older folk always point to studies like this as proof that I'll eventually return to church and vote Republican, but I think my trendline points more to becoming a pagan communist by my 60s.
 
2013-01-07 11:48:41 AM
Doesn't this fly in the face of the belief that a person's beliefs are set in stone upon reaching adulthood?
 
2013-01-07 11:48:54 AM

Znuh: JohnBigBootay: Yesterday my ninety year old mother, who raised me to be tolerant, fair, honest and thoughtful, informed me that Obama's campaign was financed entirely by the taxpayer and Romney had to foot the bill all by himself.

Ugh. It's like Rupert finds this latent asshole switch in people and sends out the signal through Fox News.


He must be totally bypassing the mammalian brain and going to straight to the selfish crocodile derp section.
 
2013-01-07 11:49:08 AM
Welcome to the circlejerk! Today the topic is "Retirement"!
 
2013-01-07 11:49:33 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Retirement is for losers. Producers do what they love till the day they die.


My dad's retired. He kayaks. I don't think he does anything else. If you pick a profession where you spend half your life looking forward to retirement then that really sucks.

/will make movies till I drop dead
 
2013-01-07 11:50:35 AM
I assume most of Fox News's audience recognize the right wing bias, they just prefer it to what they construe as left-wing bias on every other channel. But those that shut out all other media are essentially saying "I want my news biased." and is the reason why their opinions are worth shiat.
 
2013-01-07 11:51:16 AM
Yep. When I was young I believed I'd be okay as long as I was simply a good person and was nice/courteous to other people and lived a decent life. BOY! Was I wrong!

/no, I didn't RTFA from WND
 
2013-01-07 11:51:43 AM

Mugato: Yeah I'm still registered republican, only because I never bothered to change it. And I like to fark with the primaries.


I did that for awhile, but felt like it came back to bite me when I couldn't vote against Ed Rendell in the 2002 PA Gubernatorial primary, so I switched back.
 
2013-01-07 11:52:01 AM
My wife won't let me retire.
 
2013-01-07 11:52:13 AM
Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality
 
2013-01-07 11:53:28 AM

loonatic112358: considering my mother was a flower child and is now a hard core conservative, all I can say to the study is no shiat


My aunt was a peace corps volunteer, pot smoker and liberal politics, now a hardcore GOP supporter (even a Paul Ryan support from WI), she did have a big bike accident with a closed head injury so maybe brain damage causes Republican tendencies
 
2013-01-07 11:55:17 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Yep. When I was young I believed I'd be okay as long as I was simply a good person and was nice/courteous to other people and lived a decent life. BOY! Was I wrong!
/no, I didn't RTFA from WND


Oh well, I don't need to post now. You can throw that shiat in the garbage, along with "most people are decent and caring."
 
2013-01-07 11:55:34 AM

Cythraul: Considering how many people I know who were raised in non-religious environments that later became Bible beaters, I can see that being true.


And the other way around.
 
2013-01-07 11:56:27 AM
I give up, Fark.

WND and this idiot study yet again?
 
2013-01-07 11:57:36 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, me too.  Looking back on it, I've actually moved from center-right to center-left over the years.

But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.


I'm more of, I'm still center right, which now means I vote for moderate Dems instead of whatever crap is running on the other side of the ballot.
 
2013-01-07 11:58:52 AM

Mugato: Smeggy Smurf: Retirement is for losers. Producers do what they love till the day they die.

My dad's retired. He kayaks. I don't think he does anything else. If you pick a profession where you spend half your life looking forward to retirement then that really sucks.

/will make movies till I drop dead


Fair enough. If he's that much into kayaking he could teach if it he felt like it. That's not a job, that's doing what you love.
 
2013-01-07 11:59:55 AM
I am simultaneously a better and a worse person than I was ten years ago.

Znuh:
The one constant in life is change. If you haven't developed the skills to be flexible (or learned critical thinking), you got off the bus a long time ago.


Bingo. Personal changes are always the toughest. I think that's why so many people find God. That's easy.

People tend to think that everything is black and white. If it was, we would have had everything figured out a long time ago. But, I'm glad that those people obviously have everything figured out on a personal level. I also find that these people are very judgmental and that they are, a lot of times, many orders of magnitude worse than what they're judging.
 
2013-01-07 12:00:50 PM

Mugato: Smeggy Smurf: Retirement is for losers. Producers do what they love till the day they die.

My dad's retired. He kayaks. I don't think he does anything else. If you pick a profession where you spend half your life looking forward to retirement then that really sucks.

/will make movies till I drop dead


Sometimes you have to strike a balance. My father grew up working on a dairy farm and worked it for five years after he got a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. He recognized it would be difficult to raise a family on what he made running the farm with my uncle, and wanted to raise his own family more than farming. So he stopped farming, and got an engineering job. I know he liked it less than farming, and he's back to hobby farming now that he's retired, but I feel like he got what he wanted out of his career and his life. He never disliked engineering, so far as I could tell, (as I don't) but liked working outside better, and looked forward to retiring.
 
2013-01-07 12:01:33 PM
Let's see... when I was 8 years old I liked to build model ships and program computers.

At 38, I build model ships in computers.

And I've always been as skeptical of religion as I've always have. Even at 7 I knew I was getting glad-handing answers to "Well if God loves me, why did he take my daddy away?"
 
2013-01-07 12:02:48 PM
It's true. I have completely different toys and comic books from those I had as a kid. Partly, though, it's just because there are a lot of better toys and comic books than I could get as a kid.

I can eat and drink as much junk food as I want and I don't have to go to bed at a sensible hour, and I can watch TV shows with ladies with nekkid boobies if I want like Benny Hill and Monty Python's Flying Circus.

And the internet is better than anything I could have wished for when I was seven.

Otherwise, I don't think I've changed as much as you might think.
 
2013-01-07 12:03:11 PM

cakeman: I am 63 when I was at school I was involved with more radical groups like Students for Democractic action now I am more centrist .. my wife is very left wing I will try new foods my latest is Vietnamese restaurants. my crazy derpyness always remains.


And yet you still have not learned to form and properly punctuate coherent sentences...
 
2013-01-07 12:05:35 PM

EvilEgg: I heard somewhere ( I think NPR) that your tastes kind of freeze at a certain age. So if, for instance, you have tried sushi by age forty, you'll never like it.

I am not sure how this applies to the discussion at hand, but I thought it was interesting.


Are you equating not having tried sushi with not liking sushi? That doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-01-07 12:06:11 PM
Experience changes perceptions? Wow!
 
2013-01-07 12:11:45 PM
I actually worry about confirmation bias - where the internet/my career/my friends/my choices in media will just reinforce my existing ideas, even if they are wrong.
 
2013-01-07 12:12:22 PM

darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


He does. It's called death.
 
2013-01-07 12:15:34 PM
Hey, you got your politics in my geek tab!

No, you got your geek tab in my politics!

/seriously, WingNut Derpy belongs in the politics tab
 
2013-01-07 12:17:41 PM

Kittypie070: I give up, Fark.

WND and this idiot study yet again?


Take a pill, crybaby.
 
2013-01-07 12:22:10 PM

Znuh: I've known two friends, who have done the magical herp/derp flip to Fox News and the echo chamber.

I can only assume it's the same as any kind of propaganda; it shoots for the weak and infects the mentally feeble. The trick is getting them out of it - anything that's instantly digestible and filled with truthiness is bound to find a handful of marks.

The one constant in life is change. If you haven't developed the skills to be flexible (or learned critical thinking), you got off the bus a long time ago.


I got out, but only by listening to a bunch of statist British idiots. They helped me realize that "Conservative" is an arbitrary mishmash of the opinions of whoever is using the word. You can be fiscally, culturally, minarchically, or many other types of conservative, and they all do not come together in any party anywhere. Since I'm a progressive minarchist, I despise cultural conservatism because it's oppression in the name of an ideal just the same as statist progressivism is. Just let me do my thing. I'm not hurting anybody. Let's work together and make things better because we want to. When immature whiners are told to do something good because they have to, they're not going to do it. They'll waste their energy fighting you out of sheer contrariness. Laws will not change this.
 
2013-01-07 12:22:31 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.
He does. It's called death.


b-solutionsllc.net
I lost all religious feeling whatsoever as I got older. It just wasn't logical.
 
2013-01-07 12:22:42 PM

darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality


Lol - my parent take this tack - aging hippies who found Jeebus in their 30s. They have 0 savings set aside for retirement except for the meager amount of SS they take from claiming at 62. Everytime I talk to them I get to hear about how Jesus is coming back any day now to cleanse the world from wickedness, swoop down with his magical unicorn and make everything kumbiya.

/ Religion especially evangelical protestantism is the most farked up shiat ever foisted on humanity
// Go ahead and put your last coins into the offering plate, god will provide...
 
2013-01-07 12:29:00 PM

Elzar: darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality

Lol - my parent take this tack - aging hippies who found Jeebus in their 30s. They have 0 savings set aside for retirement except for the meager amount of SS they take from claiming at 62. Everytime I talk to them I get to hear about how Jesus is coming back any day now to cleanse the world from wickedness, swoop down with his magical unicorn and make everything kumbiya.

/ Religion especially evangelical protestantism is the most farked up shiat ever foisted on humanity
// Go ahead and put your last coins into the offering plate, god will provide...


Which wouldn't be nearly as amusing if these aren't the same fogies who bad mouth socialism.
 
2013-01-07 12:29:14 PM
I'm trying not to become an ignorant, racist, "you kids get off my lawn" type as I age.

I have my mother as an example of what I don't want to turn into. Every conversation with her is a reminder.

I am an atheist now. I don't see that changing anytime soon. If anything, I've developed more contempt for religion as time goes on, not less. It's just such a scam. I feel sorry for most people still influenced by it. I assume it is usually motivated by fear. Fear of death, mostly.

FYI to religious types: we're all gonna die. And then that's it. No heaven or hell. Just nothingness.
 
2013-01-07 12:29:31 PM

browntimmy: I assume most of Fox News's audience recognize the right wing bias, they just prefer it to what they construe as left-wing bias on every other channel. But those that shut out all other media are essentially saying "I want my news biased." and is the reason why their opinions are worth shiat.


I don't get all my opinions from news media. I listen almost exclusively to NPR and disagree with most everything they say.
 
2013-01-07 12:31:08 PM

majestic: Complete opposite for me. For years I was a hardcore republican dittohead. Thought anyone poor was stupid. Then I had kids. I lost my job in 2008 and couldn't find a comparable one until nearly 2010. Had to resort to unemployment and medicaid for the wife and kids. Had to work shiatty menial jobs for awhile.

Now..... Rush and the Right can go get farked in the ear.


Yeah I think people by default want to believe the poor are stupid or completely self destructive as a way of insulating themselves from the worry that they too could end up in poverty. Being judgmental is emotionally comfortable, and it's easier to blame and condemn than understand.
 
2013-01-07 12:32:45 PM

Mose: Mugato: Smeggy Smurf: Retirement is for losers. Producers do what they love till the day they die.

My dad's retired. He kayaks. I don't think he does anything else. If you pick a profession where you spend half your life looking forward to retirement then that really sucks.

/will make movies till I drop dead

Sometimes you have to strike a balance. My father grew up working on a dairy farm and worked it for five years after he got a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. He recognized it would be difficult to raise a family on what he made running the farm with my uncle, and wanted to raise his own family more than farming. So he stopped farming, and got an engineering job. I know he liked it less than farming, and he's back to hobby farming now that he's retired, but I feel like he got what he wanted out of his career and his life. He never disliked engineering, so far as I could tell, (as I don't) but liked working outside better, and looked forward to retiring.


That sounds a lot like what my plan is when I get old. I'm not sticking with architecture forever. Eventually I want to get a big spread, raise feeder cattle and horses. I want a big bunkhouse and no less than 20 acres for farming. To work that land I want to get a deal with the local juvenile prison to have the kids that can be saved to come out and learn farming trades. Blacksmithing, mechanics, farming, hydraulics, engineering (mechanical and civil), etc.

It's not really retirement. Somebody has to ride herd on the criminals and pedros on the farm. That and sample the fine cherry brandy from the distillery.
 
2013-01-07 12:35:25 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: Elzar: darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality

Lol - my parent take this tack - aging hippies who found Jeebus in their 30s. They have 0 savings set aside for retirement except for the meager amount of SS they take from claiming at 62. Everytime I talk to them I get to hear about how Jesus is coming back any day now to cleanse the world from wickedness, swoop down with his magical unicorn and make everything kumbiya.

/ Religion especially evangelical protestantism is the most farked up shiat ever foisted on humanity
// Go ahead and put your last coins into the offering plate, god will provide...

Which wouldn't be nearly as amusing if these aren't the same fogies who bad mouth socialism.


Ironically they both like Obama and think he was left with a shiat sandwich - which seems at odds with everything else they believe.
 
2013-01-07 12:39:07 PM

Rapmaster2000: Derp de derp NO HEART!
Herp he herp NO HEAD!

I am very insightful.


I've never met an intelligent person who says "derp de derp".

Its always been people who can't articulate their thoughts and instated use monkey noises who use it.
 
2013-01-07 12:39:34 PM
*Raises Hand*
Less conservative here. Conservatives bore me. By its very definition Conservatism requires that things/situations/rules/mores do not change and that is delusional. The founding fathers, that conservatives so often deify, were not conservative people. They risked everything to change the fundamental character of governance...even that wasn't good enough...evolve or die. That should be on a flag somewhere or used in a speech in Virginia: instead of "Give me liberty or give me death!", it should be "Evolve or die!"
 
2013-01-07 12:40:08 PM
My politics are pretty similar to when I was a younger man, actually. I've only slightly shifted on a few issues, but am definitely in the same ballpark.

My dad though... He's gone from a pretty open-minded center-right guy when I was a kid to now he's a full on, bible-beating, Glen Beck worshipping, "Barak Hussein Obama is a Marxist socialist", we need more Jesus in our schools, party-line Republican.

I turned to athiesm when I was 13. I'm still an athiest. When we were kids my dad took us to every religious denomination he could think of, and wanted to expose us to everything he could. Now he is Mr. Super-Catholic Man who says if he could do it all again he'd have sent all us kids to a Jesuit school and forced me to keep attending church - Catholic church this time - even after I became an athiest. So basically he's turned so hard right he thinks some of the best things he did when he was younger were actually terrible mistakes. It's like religion ate part of his brain.
 
2013-01-07 12:52:52 PM
When I started to read the article, I thought it was good. By the end, I had changed and thought it sucked.
 
2013-01-07 12:53:41 PM
Retirement is a crock (with no offense to reptiles).  I used to be concerned about it.  Then I stopped watching commercials for retirement funds and started thinking for myself.

Remember, life's a schitt sandwich.  The more bread you have the less schitt you have to eat.
 
2013-01-07 12:54:56 PM

Wangiss: browntimmy: I assume most of Fox News's audience recognize the right wing bias, they just prefer it to what they construe as left-wing bias on every other channel. But those that shut out all other media are essentially saying "I want my news biased." and is the reason why their opinions are worth shiat.

I don't get all my opinions from news media. I listen almost exclusively to NPR and disagree with most everything they say.


/slightly off topic
What exactly is that you disagree with on NPR? I'm referring to the morning/afternoon All Thing Considered stuff. Is it how they report general information and facts or do you perceive some kind of commentary? I've been listening to them for a few years and they seem to try to avoid sensationalism and direct commentary. I'm genuinely curious where the "they're biased" stuff comes from or where you see something that can be disagreed with.
 
2013-01-07 12:56:42 PM

Marcintosh: Retirement is a crock (with no offense to reptiles).  I used to be concerned about it.  Then I stopped watching commercials for retirement funds and started thinking for myself.

Remember, life's a schitt sandwich.  The more bread you have the less schitt you have to eat.


I remember even as a little kid seeing the flaw in the system and knew only the first ones in line would be able to retire or take the benefits of pensions and social security. It was a giant pyramid scheme that was doomed to collapse when it was my turn.
 
2013-01-07 12:57:02 PM

mongbiohazard: It's like religion ate part of his brain.


Zombie om nom nom!
 
2013-01-07 12:58:54 PM

Mutated-Snoopy: Wangiss: browntimmy: I assume most of Fox News's audience recognize the right wing bias, they just prefer it to what they construe as left-wing bias on every other channel. But those that shut out all other media are essentially saying "I want my news biased." and is the reason why their opinions are worth shiat.

I don't get all my opinions from news media. I listen almost exclusively to NPR and disagree with most everything they say.

/slightly off topic
What exactly is that you disagree with on NPR? I'm referring to the morning/afternoon All Thing Considered stuff. Is it how they report general information and facts or do you perceive some kind of commentary? I've been listening to them for a few years and they seem to try to avoid sensationalism and direct commentary. I'm genuinely curious where the "they're biased" stuff comes from or where you see something that can be disagreed with.


Truth and facts have a liberal bias.
 
2013-01-07 01:02:56 PM

kombat_unit: Kittypie070: I give up, Fark.

WND and this idiot study yet again?

Take a pill, crybaby.


Ah. I get it.

WND is sacred and must never ever be disagreed with or disliked in any way whatsoever.
 
2013-01-07 01:02:59 PM

CheekyMonkey: EvilEgg: I heard somewhere ( I think NPR) that your tastes kind of freeze at a certain age. So if, for instance, you have tried sushi by age forty, you'll never like it.

I am not sure how this applies to the discussion at hand, but I thought it was interesting.

Are you equating not having tried sushi with not liking sushi? That doesn't make any sense.


No I am saying you are less likely to like it if you try it for the first time at say 45.
 
2013-01-07 01:05:13 PM
Makes sense really. As you get older you learn more, experience more of the world. This either opens your horizons, breaks previously held beliefs or embitters you and re-affirms your beliefs and/or prejudices. It can go either way. I've seen liberals become conservatives and conservatives become liberals. Religious purists become hedonists and hippies become new born Christians.
 
2013-01-07 01:19:37 PM

EvilEgg: CheekyMonkey: EvilEgg: I heard somewhere ( I think NPR) that your tastes kind of freeze at a certain age. So if, for instance, you have tried sushi by age forty, you'll never like it.

I am not sure how this applies to the discussion at hand, but I thought it was interesting.

Are you equating not having tried sushi with not liking sushi? That doesn't make any sense.

No I am saying you are less likely to like it if you try it for the first time at say 45.


Why? Are you implying that after a certain age, people only like things that they've tried and liked earlier in life? That doesn't make any sense either...
 
2013-01-07 01:23:52 PM

Mutated-Snoopy: Wangiss: browntimmy: I assume most of Fox News's audience recognize the right wing bias, they just prefer it to what they construe as left-wing bias on every other channel. But those that shut out all other media are essentially saying "I want my news biased." and is the reason why their opinions are worth shiat.

I don't get all my opinions from news media. I listen almost exclusively to NPR and disagree with most everything they say.

/slightly off topic
What exactly is that you disagree with on NPR? I'm referring to the morning/afternoon All Thing Considered stuff. Is it how they report general information and facts or do you perceive some kind of commentary? I've been listening to them for a few years and they seem to try to avoid sensationalism and direct commentary. I'm genuinely curious where the "they're biased" stuff comes from or where you see something that can be disagreed with.


Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to say that everything they say is true and forthright and they're the one unimpeachable source of untempered fact in the world. Sorry I got that wrong. Now do we agree? I feel so nervous when I think someone might disagree with me.
 
2013-01-07 01:29:52 PM
I was conservative as all fark when I was young. As I grew older and my parents and church had less influence on me and I began to think for myself I realized the world wasn't black and white, good vs. evil, us vs. them now I'm pretty centrist in my views. Of course I'm Canadian, so what is centrist to us is evil, baby killing, communist liberal socialist fascist to Americans. But I can live with that.
 
2013-01-07 01:30:09 PM

Wangiss: Mutated-Snoopy: Wangiss: browntimmy: I assume most of Fox News's audience recognize the right wing bias, they just prefer it to what they construe as left-wing bias on every other channel. But those that shut out all other media are essentially saying "I want my news biased." and is the reason why their opinions are worth shiat.

I don't get all my opinions from news media. I listen almost exclusively to NPR and disagree with most everything they say.

/slightly off topic
What exactly is that you disagree with on NPR? I'm referring to the morning/afternoon All Thing Considered stuff. Is it how they report general information and facts or do you perceive some kind of commentary? I've been listening to them for a few years and they seem to try to avoid sensationalism and direct commentary. I'm genuinely curious where the "they're biased" stuff comes from or where you see something that can be disagreed with.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to say that everything they say is true and forthright and they're the one unimpeachable source of untempered fact in the world. Sorry I got that wrong. Now do we agree? I feel so nervous when I think someone might disagree with me.


Okay, that was fun, but what I really believe is that anyone who thinks ANY media outlet gives a direct, unbiased, comprehensive, factual representation of the state of events... has simply found the outlet that matches their belief system.

And yet I listen almost exclusively to NPR. Why? Because I sense that they are more dedicated to the reporting of fact than any other radio outlet. Particularly their BBC segments on world events. But they're still biased and the journalists still give their interpretation of events through their favorite lenses. "Better now? Or better now? Better now? Or Better now?" They've found your prescription. That is all.
 
2013-01-07 01:43:50 PM

Ghastly: I was conservative as all fark when I was young. As I grew older and my parents and church had less influence on me and I began to think for myself I realized the world wasn't black and white, good vs. evil, us vs. them now I'm pretty centrist in my views. Of course I'm Canadian, so what is centrist to us is evil, baby killing, communist liberal socialist fascist to Americans. But I can live with that.


Me too, except for the Canadian part. I grew up with parents that were right wing bible thumping premarital sex is a sin, homosexuals are going to hell, "liberal" is a dirty word conservatives. It took a while for me to work through all the crazy. I still remember some things I said in my twenties that were weapons grade stupid. Things that were embarrassing on such a magnitude they still wake me up in the middle of the night in a cold humiliated sweat.
 
2013-01-07 01:45:51 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.


This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.
 
2013-01-07 01:48:06 PM

Wangiss: Wangiss: Mutated-Snoopy: Wangiss: browntimmy: I assume most of Fox News's audience recognize the right wing bias, they just prefer it to what they construe as left-wing bias on every other channel. But those that shut out all other media are essentially saying "I want my news biased." and is the reason why their opinions are worth shiat.

I don't get all my opinions from news media. I listen almost exclusively to NPR and disagree with most everything they say.

/slightly off topic
What exactly is that you disagree with on NPR? I'm referring to the morning/afternoon All Thing Considered stuff. Is it how they report general information and facts or do you perceive some kind of commentary? I've been listening to them for a few years and they seem to try to avoid sensationalism and direct commentary. I'm genuinely curious where the "they're biased" stuff comes from or where you see something that can be disagreed with.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to say that everything they say is true and forthright and they're the one unimpeachable source of untempered fact in the world. Sorry I got that wrong. Now do we agree? I feel so nervous when I think someone might disagree with me.

Okay, that was fun, but what I really believe is that anyone who thinks ANY media outlet gives a direct, unbiased, comprehensive, factual representation of the state of events... has simply found the outlet that matches their belief system.

And yet I listen almost exclusively to NPR. Why? Because I sense that they are more dedicated to the reporting of fact than any other radio outlet. Particularly their BBC segments on world events. But they're still biased and the journalists still give their interpretation of events through their favorite lenses. "Better now? Or better now? Better now? Or Better now?" They've found your prescription. That is all.


NPR is biased like all news organizations. They typically report on the poor and underprivileged and every day have a couple sob stories to keep their listeners in the mindset they want.

Faux news does the same thing in that they choose what to report.
 
2013-01-07 01:48:27 PM

special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.


Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad there's only corruption and graft on one side of the aisle.
 
2013-01-07 01:49:37 PM

special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.


Your shiat stinks too but you're used to it.
 
2013-01-07 01:51:58 PM

occamswrist: NPR is biased like all news organizations. They typically report on the poor and underprivileged and every day


Why do you imagine NPR would be biased this way? The poor are most likely to need tote bags? Fox's bias is pretty easily understood.
 
2013-01-07 01:57:23 PM
After 4 years, going on five, I still believe, we should impeach Obama. He is indeed the worst POTUS we have ever had.
 
2013-01-07 02:04:53 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeah, me too.  Looking back on it, I've actually moved from center-right to center-left over the years.

But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.


Because the hippies in the 60s really grew up to be super Liberal, right?
 
2013-01-07 02:05:49 PM

Pick: After 4 years, going on five, I still believe, we should impeach Obama. He is indeed the worst POTUS we have ever had.


Ah! I almost bit! Good one. I wonder how many hits you'll get...
 
2013-01-07 02:14:44 PM

cranked: occamswrist: NPR is biased like all news organizations. They typically report on the poor and underprivileged and every day

Why do you imagine NPR would be biased this way? The poor are most likely to need tote bags? Fox's bias is pretty easily understood.


Why are they biased this way? Because all humans are biased and news editors decide what gets in the news and what doesn't. That requires human judgment and exposes bias.

Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

Fox news is farking terrible at this, but just because their shiat stinks the worst it doesn't mean yours doesn't stink.
 
2013-01-07 02:14:56 PM

EvilEgg: I heard somewhere ( I think NPR) that your tastes kind of freeze at a certain age. So if, for instance, you have tried sushi by age forty, you'll never like it.

I am not sure how this applies to the discussion at hand, but I thought it was interesting.


I think people's BRAINS freeze when they get old...or perhaps they just petrify and become inflexible
In any case, with age seems to come stubbornness - an unwilling to use critical thinking and fall back on the old superstitions and prejudices.
So all they can do bleat on about the supposed good old days and moan on about "kids these days", how you used to get "value for money", and their goddamn bowel movements.
 
2013-01-07 02:19:00 PM
occamswrist:
Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

Fox news is farking terrible at this, but just because their shiat stinks the worst it doesn't mean yours doesn't stink.


Or reporters could be unbiased, yet vote Democratic because their research leads them to believe the Republicans are full of shiat.
 
2013-01-07 02:27:00 PM

rumpelstiltskin: occamswrist:
Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

Fox news is farking terrible at this, but just because their shiat stinks the worst it doesn't mean yours doesn't stink.

Or reporters could be unbiased, yet vote Democratic because their research leads them to believe the Republicans are full of shiat.


Right, there is a difference between being right/wrong and being biased/unbiased wrt a particular issue.

Social identity theory (a scientific theory!) tells us reporters are likely to discriminate against their "out-group".

Unless you propose reporters are robots this here sicual identity theory tells me reporters will express bias against republicans.
 
2013-01-07 02:27:16 PM

occamswrist: Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?


I agree that bias is inevitable, in reporting and Fark posting. I think your "democrat = poor therefor NPR = poor" bias is showing.

Comparing the motivation for bias between a news source that is driven by political propaganda / profit and another that has little to no motivation (beyond your personal bias) as equally stinky shiat struck me as odd. Your followup cleared it up: BSABSEMYS.
 
2013-01-07 02:30:38 PM
I've went to "didnt care" when I was younger to rightish agnostic/Catholic during my 20s to libertarianish/"Spiritualist" with Christian leanings today. I approach fiscial and social matters with my emotions and conciousness/metaphysical items with science which Ill be the first to admit seems out of place but it works for me.
 
2013-01-07 02:33:09 PM

cranked: occamswrist: Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

I agree that bias is inevitable, in reporting and Fark posting. I think your "democrat = poor therefor NPR = poor" bias is showing.

Comparing the motivation for bias between a news source that is driven by political propaganda / profit and another that has little to no motivation (beyond your personal bias) as equally stinky shiat struck me as odd. Your followup cleared it up: BSABSEMYS.


I couldn't follow your equation and I don't know what bsabsemys.

So for-profit organizations are more biased than non-profits? I thought all political organizations were non-profit.
 
2013-01-07 02:36:30 PM

cranked: occamswrist: Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

I agree that bias is inevitable, in reporting and Fark posting. I think your "democrat = poor therefor NPR = poor" bias is showing.

Comparing the motivation for bias between a news source that is driven by political propaganda / profit and another that has little to no motivation (beyond your personal bias) as equally stinky shiat struck me as odd. Your followup cleared it up: BSABSEMYS.


I forgot to mention --- in one of my posts I state fox news shiat stinks the worst.

If in an earlier post I said they were "equal" then I take that back.
 
2013-01-07 02:39:50 PM
I grew up in a house where both parents were super hippies. I've got pictures of my dad during the sixties when he was going to school at berkeley and he fit the stereotypical hippy to a "t".

Perhaps it's because he made me read Mao's Little Red Book as a kid, or because he always went on and on about how evil corporations were that pushed me to become a conservative. But growing up in that environment I can honestly say that I know the liberal point of view better than most liberals and have realized that that line of thinking can be devestating to the well being of the country.

Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.
 
2013-01-07 02:40:21 PM

occamswrist: I thought all political organizations were non-profit.


Ok then.
 
2013-01-07 02:43:48 PM

Elzar: darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality

Lol - my parent take this tack - aging hippies who found Jeebus in their 30s. They have 0 savings set aside for retirement except for the meager amount of SS they take from claiming at 62. Everytime I talk to them I get to hear about how Jesus is coming back any day now to cleanse the world from wickedness, swoop down with his magical unicorn and make everything kumbiya.

/ Religion especially evangelical protestantism is the most farked up shiat ever foisted on humanity
// Go ahead and put your last coins into the offering plate, god will provide...


Not being religious myself I may not be entitled to an interpretation, but I'll go ahead anyway: God has provided and left it up to us (his children) not to fark up his gifts.
 
2013-01-07 02:44:01 PM

darth_badger: Lots of people start thinking God will provide for them the older they get.


/mortality


www.genrebusters.com

I tell my kids, "This is not the same person I grew up with. You are looking at an old woman who is trying to get into Heaven."
 
2013-01-07 02:46:37 PM

cakeman: my wife is very left wing I will try new foods my latest is Vietnamese restaurants


what is this I don't even
 
2013-01-07 02:48:53 PM

occamswrist: in one of my posts I state fox news shiat stinks the worst


Fair enough... for what it's worth NPR makes me want to throat punch my radio at times - for being too conservative. That from a social liberal, fiscal conservative type.
 
2013-01-07 02:49:13 PM

cranked: occamswrist: I thought all political organizations were non-profit.

Ok then.


Your argument was that NPR being nonprofit made them less biased than a for-profit company. I simply disagree that profit-motive is a sufficient method to determine bias.

Many Super PACs are set up by non-profits and I think we both agree that superPACs are biased.

I also brought up social identity theory to explain why all people, including reporters are biased. Why don't you want to follow that train of thought? Do you hate science?
 
2013-01-07 02:50:49 PM
yah..at about 14 when your parents cant force you to weekly brainwashing and eye closing...

when you start noticing science..
 
2013-01-07 02:52:59 PM
I was a conservative little jerk as a kid. I'm embarrassed of the things I once believed. Then I moved out and got a job. Boy, did that wake me up! As I get older, I let more and more crap just fall away. It's soooo relaxing.
 
2013-01-07 02:54:24 PM

cranked: occamswrist: in one of my posts I state fox news shiat stinks the worst

Fair enough... for what it's worth NPR makes me want to throat punch my radio at times - for being too conservative. That from a social liberal, fiscal conservative type.


That's funny. The first two minutes I watch bill O'Reilly I think "yeah you tell them!"

And then from 2 to 4 minutes I think "well, not necessarily bill because you aren't taking into account A, B, and C".

And then from 4 minutes on I think "fark this guy".
 
2013-01-07 03:01:02 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: But really, if WND thinks that Millenials and the kids after us are all going to age into tea partiers, they're REALLY high on crack.


They seem to be comparing people in different age brackets now, which tells us nothing about how people change over time. Interviewing the same people at different ages would take a lot longer, but there have been a few famous studies of that sort.
 
2013-01-07 03:06:42 PM

occamswrist: rumpelstiltskin: occamswrist:
Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

Fox news is farking terrible at this, but just because their shiat stinks the worst it doesn't mean yours doesn't stink.

Or reporters could be unbiased, yet vote Democratic because their research leads them to believe the Republicans are full of shiat.

Right, there is a difference between being right/wrong and being biased/unbiased wrt a particular issue.

Social identity theory (a scientific theory!) tells us reporters are likely to discriminate against their "out-group".

Unless you propose reporters are robots this here sicual identity theory tells me reporters will express bias against republicans.


But what is the reporter's out group? For example, is it politicians in general, or politicans of a particular party? Is a reporter more likely to say, "I'm a Democrat", or "I'm not a politician"? Which is the identity that matters? For me, it might be the party identity. For a reporter, who's life it is to hound politicians, I can see how that might not be true- he might view the world as reporters versus politicians, and not democrats versus republicans.
 
2013-01-07 03:10:46 PM

tbhouston: yah..at about 14 when your parents cant force you to weekly brainwashing and eye closing...

when you start noticing science..


You didnt notice "science" as much as you noticed "focus point of stereotypical teenage rebelion"
 
2013-01-07 03:15:55 PM

occamswrist: Your argument was that NPR being nonprofit made them less biased than a for-profit company.


I don't see NPR as less biased due to being a non-profit, just that it doesn't have the huge bias force that Fox does. Reporter bias should be somewhat more random and, if subject to decent journalistic and editorial standards, much weaker. Daily poor people sob stories due to reporters voting Dem doesn't seem very scientific.

Something like this might be a bit more scientific, if it wasn't a decade old.
 
2013-01-07 03:18:47 PM
your brain isn't creating as many new connections when you get older, as such your brain tends to become more and more "orderly" and "in-line", even artists tend to become less experimental and focus instead on perfecting styles they pioneered at an age when their brains were firing more randomly

what we call conservatism or being a conservative is more simply wanting less deviation and more focus on core things important to us, and simply put that kind of pursuit is what makes people happier as they age so yeah... there will always be conservative feelings even if what we qualify as conservative today doesn't match up in 40 years
 
2013-01-07 03:25:36 PM
Secret to happiness?
Faster horses
Older whiskey
Younger women
 
2013-01-07 03:29:55 PM

rumpelstiltskin: occamswrist: rumpelstiltskin: occamswrist:
Democratic presidential nominees consistently receive over 80% of the vote from reporters. Tell me that can happen without some bias creeping in to their reporting. Do you think reporters are robots?

Fox news is farking terrible at this, but just because their shiat stinks the worst it doesn't mean yours doesn't stink.

Or reporters could be unbiased, yet vote Democratic because their research leads them to believe the Republicans are full of shiat.

Right, there is a difference between being right/wrong and being biased/unbiased wrt a particular issue.

Social identity theory (a scientific theory!) tells us reporters are likely to discriminate against their "out-group".

Unless you propose reporters are robots this here sicual identity theory tells me reporters will express bias against republicans.

But what is the reporter's out group? For example, is it politicians in general, or politicans of a particular party? Is a reporter more likely to say, "I'm a Democrat", or "I'm not a politician"? Which is the identity that matters? For me, it might be the party identity. For a reporter, who's life it is to hound politicians, I can see how that might not be true- he might view the world as reporters versus politicians, and not democrats versus republicans.


http://mobile.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/19/rep ort-media-coverage-of-obama-turned-more-favorable

Its both. Reporters can view other reporters as their in group and politicians as their out-group. But since 80% of reporters vote for Democratic presidential candidates its obvious they will view Democratic politicians more favorably than republican ones.
 
2013-01-07 03:30:25 PM

AdamK: is more simply wanting less deviation


Good point, but I'd think this would manifest as conserving your current feelings rather than replacing them with conservative feelings.

I've been testing and refining my value system over decades, becoming more grateful and liberal as I've enjoyed the benefits of society. I'm very unlikely to suddenly become a staunch conservative but I probably have slowed down on the testing and refining (focused and less experimental, as you stated).
 
2013-01-07 03:31:25 PM

Pick: After 4 years, going on five, I still believe, we should impeach Obama. He is indeed the worst POTUS we have ever had.


He ain't no Kennedy.
 
2013-01-07 03:35:15 PM
Regular news stories aren't very different among the news organizations, its the fluff pieces that i dont consider to be todays pressing news that I think are selected based on political leanings.

Except fox news, they could turn any story political.
 
2013-01-07 03:35:53 PM

cranked: occamswrist: Your argument was that NPR being nonprofit made them less biased than a for-profit company.

I don't see NPR as less biased due to being a non-profit, just that it doesn't have the huge bias force that Fox does. Reporter bias should be somewhat more random and, if subject to decent journalistic and editorial standards, much weaker. Daily poor people sob stories due to reporters voting Dem doesn't seem very scientific.

Something like this might be a bit more scientific, if it wasn't a decade old.


I like that survey:

"Additionally, there are several indicators throughout the survey that demonstrate the extent to which the public values public broadcasting. For example, only one-in-ten Americans (10%) would say that a per capita expenditure of $1.30 in taxpayer funds is "too much" for the government to be spending on public broadcasting. Nearly half (48%) say the amount is "too little" and roughly one-third (35%) say the amount is "about right.""

This is called sales research.

/I'm in the field.
//Good jorb, PBS. CYA.
 
2013-01-07 03:40:14 PM
People change as they get older. As teenagers we rebel against the obvious stupidity of our received wisdom, and as we complete various stages of life we either affirm or deny our beliefs depending on how we imagine life is going for us. Confirmation bias and inerita are powerful things, and we don't change velocity so much as we change trajectory: a fanatic will choose something new to be fanatical about. One thing remains constant, and that is the belief that our good will justifies any action, no matter where it lead us before.
 
2013-01-07 03:43:11 PM

Smeggy Smurf: It applies to both sides. The echo chamber doesn't care if it's a Rapeublican or a Fascist. Neither side is willing to think that something else is possible.

Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.


Not the case. At least not with most issues. The right is intractable to the point that they want to legislate everyone into acting like they do. The left typically wants legislation that allows people to act the way they want to act. Anti-gun and PETA being the exception rather than the rule.
 
2013-01-07 03:43:31 PM
Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"
 
2013-01-07 03:47:27 PM

monoski: loonatic112358: considering my mother was a flower child and is now a hard core conservative, all I can say to the study is no shiat

My aunt was a peace corps volunteer, pot smoker and liberal politics, now a hardcore GOP supporter (even a Paul Ryan support from WI), she did have a big bike accident with a closed head injury so maybe brain damage causes Republican tendencies



I can't prove anything -- absent any data, to be honest my analysis might say more about my own prejudices than anything else -- but I think cocaine helped it along by changing a generation's default personality type from peacenik/hedonist/idealist to fark-you-I-got-mine. When coke became a Boomer craze in the mid-late 70s the population of self-important entitled douchenozzles exploded overnight, and it's not too much of a stretch to imagine a political party morphing to appeal to a landscape suddenly littered with assholes.
 
2013-01-07 03:54:18 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"


Nah, he was a moron.
 
2013-01-07 03:54:28 PM

dustygrimp: Smeggy Smurf: It applies to both sides. The echo chamber doesn't care if it's a Rapeublican or a Fascist. Neither side is willing to think that something else is possible.

Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

Not the case. At least not with most issues. The right is intractable to the point that they want to legislate everyone into acting like they do. The left typically wants legislation that allows people to act the way they want to act. Anti-gun and PETA being the exception rather than the rule.


And regulations on businesses that extract resources like fuel, people's time, revenue from sales, and other extractive processes that damage the environment like welding. And making things. Whenever you make things it could be bad for the environment. Also, when people don't recycle, that should probably be banned because it's better to use more resources recycling than extracting, which is bad. And playing certain sports is also bad, because people get hurt. We shouldn't have sports where people could injure each other, so there's no UFC in San Francisco. We don't like people getting hurt. Also when people spank their kids; that's bad.
 
Ant
2013-01-07 03:58:49 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"


Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.
 
2013-01-07 04:00:06 PM

Ant: Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"

Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.


If you're not trolling (and for the edification of n00bz), yes. It's at http://www.fark.com/users and you have to be logged in.
 
2013-01-07 04:10:42 PM

monoski: loonatic112358: considering my mother was a flower child and is now a hard core conservative, all I can say to the study is no shiat

My aunt was a peace corps volunteer, pot smoker and liberal politics, now a hardcore GOP supporter (even a Paul Ryan support from WI), she did have a big bike accident with a closed head injury so maybe brain damage causes Republican tendencies


mom's never had an accident

I think it was a reset back to her upbringing, and the gradual creep from financial conservatism to whatever the hell they really are tese days
/oh great
//fark me
 
2013-01-07 04:12:48 PM

Wangiss: Ant: Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"

Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.

If you're not trolling (and for the edification of n00bz), yes. It's at http://www.fark.com/users and you have to be logged in.


Can we use the same email address and change our user name? That would be nice...
 
2013-01-07 04:13:04 PM

mongbiohazard: I turned to athiesm when I was 13. I'm still an athiest. When we were kids my dad took us to every religious denomination he could think of, and wanted to expose us to everything he could. Now he is Mr. Super-Catholic Man who says if he could do it all again he'd have sent all us kids to a Jesuit school and forced me to keep attending church - Catholic church this time - even after I became an athiest. So basically he's turned so hard right he thinks some of the best things he did when he was younger were actually terrible mistakes. It's like religion ate part of his brain.


My older sister was a beatnik who spent a year abroad, went to Richie Havens concerts, and lived in a loft with a painter for a decade. Now she's on team Palin and has converted to some odd Judaism (except with more jesus) sect. Big trouble when you mention christmas to the grandchildren. big trouble. Keep in mind this is rural Alabama we are talking about.
 
Ant
2013-01-07 04:16:47 PM

Wangiss: Ant: Holocaust Agnostic: Hey, for some great fun try Googling your old usenames and reading your old posts and opinions.

"Great fun"

Does Fark have a feature where I can see all my posts since I first joined? That would be cool.

If you're not trolling (and for the edification of n00bz), yes. It's at http://www.fark.com/users and you have to be logged in.


I'm not seeing it. I can see my recent posts, but what about from like 2002 or so?
 
2013-01-07 04:19:25 PM

8 inches: Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.


Because capitalism is so perfect without regulation? Uh, huh.
 
2013-01-07 04:19:36 PM

cranked: AdamK: is more simply wanting less deviation

Good point, but I'd think this would manifest as conserving your current feelings rather than replacing them with conservative feelings.

I've been testing and refining my value system over decades, becoming more grateful and liberal as I've enjoyed the benefits of society. I'm very unlikely to suddenly become a staunch conservative but I probably have slowed down on the testing and refining (focused and less experimental, as you stated).


life is trial and error basically, what you define as important or consistent is something you grow into and not necessarily are born with

back to political or cultural conservatism, simply put it all revolves around death... the threat of loss makes people more protective, and as we all know loss is something that changes who we are or value... thus it's easy to see people becoming more conservative in the american sense
 
2013-01-07 04:24:28 PM

occamswrist: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Your shiat stinks too but you're used to it.


Account created today, huh? I just you are just another fake-ass (but real life) Koch sucker.
 
2013-01-07 04:25:39 PM

Wangiss: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad there's only corruption and graft on one side of the aisle.


Those issues are not necessarily evil. Try to keep up, Skippy.
 
2013-01-07 04:25:40 PM

MayoSlather: 8 inches: Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.

Because capitalism is so perfect without regulation? Uh, huh.


I know, right? Remember when 8 inches wrote that? He probably doesn't remember, but you and I, we know what he really thinks. And it's laughable.
 
2013-01-07 04:27:22 PM

special20: Wangiss: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad there's only corruption and graft on one side of the aisle.

Those issues are not necessarily evil. Try to keep up, Skippy.


Forgive me.
 
2013-01-07 04:39:31 PM

Wangiss: special20: Wangiss: special20: Smeggy Smurf: Only by realizing that both parties are evil will the echo chamber fail.

This is a very bad thing to believe. I'd say that only Teabaggers are truly "evil", and leave it at that. It's Koch brothers propaganda that wants you to believe, and spread the idea, that "both parties" are evil. Both parties are NOT evil. Again, it's just the Teabaggers, and the Koch brothers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad there's only corruption and graft on one side of the aisle.

Those issues are not necessarily evil. Try to keep up, Skippy.

Forgive me.


It's easier than you think. Besides, I am just trollin... and for some reason, all day, the crap I've been posting has had complete words missing, and incomplete thoughts... I'm seriously considering sobriety.

...that's right... I went there.
 
2013-01-07 04:39:36 PM

Wangiss: MayoSlather: 8 inches: Today I consider myself a libertarian so I can see problems with both parties. It's just my humble opinion that at least economically, liberalism will eventually do more harm to this country than any war or single politician ever could.

Because capitalism is so perfect without regulation? Uh, huh.

I know, right? Remember when 8 inches wrote that? He probably doesn't remember, but you and I, we know what he really thinks. And it's laughable.


Strange.
 
2013-01-07 04:50:58 PM

Pair-o-Dice: mongbiohazard: It's like religion ate part of his brain.

Zombie om nom nom!


Jesus was a lich, not a zombie! ;-)


JohnBigBootay: My older sister was a beatnik who spent a year abroad, went to Richie Havens concerts, and lived in a loft with a painter for a decade. Now she's on team Palin and has converted to some odd Judaism (except with more jesus) sect. Big trouble when you mention christmas to the grandchildren. big trouble. Keep in mind this is rural Alabama we are talking about.



She decided to go messianic jew in rural Alabama? WOW. That was one of the many denominations my old man took me to as a kid. It's not the kind of thing I'd expect in Alabama.... Sounds to me like she really feels the need to rebel against some stuff, eh?
 
2013-01-07 05:16:44 PM

Ghastly: I was conservative as all fark when I was young. As I grew older and my parents and church had less influence on me and I began to think for myself I realized the world wasn't black and white, good vs. evil, us vs. them now I'm pretty centrist in my views. Of course I'm Canadian, so what is centrist to us is evil, baby killing, communist liberal socialist fascist to Americans. But I can live with that.


Your Conservative Party seems pretty much like our Democratic Party here in the States. ( I've heard that you guys have some bootstrappy 'herp n' 'derp types in Alberta, but they seem to be a small minority on your national political scene, from what I've picked up...)
 
2013-01-07 05:32:54 PM

Ghastly: I was conservative as all fark when I was young. As I grew older and my parents and church had less influence on me and I began to think for myself I realized the world wasn't black and white, good vs. evil, us vs. them now I'm pretty centrist in my views. Of course I'm Canadian, so what is centrist to us is evil, baby killing, communist liberal socialist fascist to Americans. But I can live with that.


we should ban contrast

i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-01-07 05:36:35 PM

mongbiohazard: She decided to go messianic jew in rural Alabama? WOW. That was one of the many denominations my old man took me to as a kid. It's not the kind of thing I'd expect in Alabama.... Sounds to me like she really feels the need to rebel against some stuff, eh?


Who knows. She's in her sixties now. I just find the political descent into madness to be completely beguiling. Religion has always seemed crazy to me. What is it about people that makes them so against any and all entitlement programs... only after they themselves are existing almost completely at the pleasure of entitlement programs?
 
2013-01-07 05:46:30 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: Let's see... when I was 8 years old I liked to build model ships and program computers.

At 38, I build model ships in computers.

And I've always been as skeptical of religion as I've always have. Even at 7 I knew I was getting glad-handing answers to "Well if God loves me, why did he take my daddy away?"


Did you ever consider that god does not love you? That in fact he might hate you? That he has decided to make your life one of misery and pain for his own personal amusement?

Hey he did it to Job, he could be doing it to you.
 
2013-01-07 05:51:35 PM
This would imply that people are able to revise their working models when they receive previously unknown information. I don't know if that's believable.
 
2013-01-07 11:59:05 PM

majestic: Complete opposite for me. For years I was a hardcore republican dittohead. Thought anyone poor was stupid. Then I had kids. I lost my job in 2008 and couldn't find a comparable one until nearly 2010. Had to resort to unemployment and medicaid for the wife and kids. Had to work shiatty menial jobs for awhile.

Now..... Rush and the Right can go get farked in the ear.


Clearly, you lost your job because you didn't pull yourself up by the bootstraps. You could've been a millionaire by now.
 
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