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(CNN)   University of Texas women's track coach resigns after lapping one of her student-athletes   (cnn.com) divider line 73
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2013-01-07 01:40:25 PM  

hdhale: Wayne 985: hdhale: So when will the NCAA announce that they are stripping the University of Texas of all the titles her teams won since 2002? It's the very sort of overreach and overreaction I've come to expect from them.

/cue the UoT president holding a news conference looking all doe eyed and accepting it without question

Yeah, a consensual adult relationship is exactly the same as sodomizing grade schoolers and your buddies covering it up.

In that particular case, his buddies should have handed him a loaded .45, told him he needed to do what was best for his family, and left the room. Since they didn't, and put school before common sense, they deserved criminal prosecution. That's happening right now. It has always bothered me though that they took the "magic history eraser" to the entire 10 period, when in reality there were a couple of seasons where it was clearly unjustified.

I wasn't singling that case out however. You've had a whole series of judgments come out of the NCAA involving a variety of schools where vacating wins, titles, awards, etc. has become the norm, often in cases where it never happened before. College sports isn't any more corrupt than it was decades ago. But I can't help but think that I'm going to watch the Notre Dame vs. Alabama National Championship game soon, and there should be an asterisk next to the name with the disclaimer, "Subject to change. the team that actually wins may not actually be national champions in 5 years when we figure out that some kid on the winning team sold a t-shirt 6 months prior to the game. No, you cannot point out the millions the NCAA and the schools make on the back of the kids, it isn't polite."


Fair point. I apologize for my snark.
 
2013-01-07 01:47:55 PM  

Keeve: Lexx: I'm sorry, since when does consensual sex between adults equate a scandal of any kind? Gen Patreus was the exception to the rule, since his may well have compromised national security.

Generally speaking, I think in an academic setting the policy is to prevent students from gaining an unfair advantage. Imagine you narrowly miss out on a 4.0 one semester, only to discover that the student who beat your grades, also happened to be sleeping with the professor. Even in college we like to hold on to the ideal that life is fair. Sleeping your way to the top is reserved to the private sector.

Now how this policy applies to a coach rather than a professor, I really don't know, but I suspect it's just because it falls under the umbrella of no faculty/student relationships at all.


It's not that simple. At the university where I taught, faculty were forbidden from "improper contact" with students in their classes, or whom they supervised --but, if I taught Jellybean 101 and Mr. Hot Undergrad was a Snickers major, nothing at all was mentioned in the written policy about that. Believe me, I checked. The policy seemed more to be designed against quid pro quo harassment,i.e., "What would you do for an A in this class?" rather than completely forbidding relationships between consenting adults with no other connection than the institution.
 
2013-01-07 01:51:00 PM  
This headline reminds me to watch "Personal Best" again very soon.
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2013-01-07 02:42:02 PM  

Brick-House: Mr. Toadcheese: And, honestly, with a school the size of UT (and Austin as the larger community), there's no reason why this coach couldn't have found another girlfriend.

It's not that she couldn't... have you ever lick a woman right after she's ran 5 miles? Funky Sweaty Goodness!!!


Oh, hey, thanks for sharing.
 
2013-01-07 02:47:32 PM  
I'm just glad to see that Eazy-E is doing well with his afterlife.
 
2013-01-07 03:07:42 PM  

minoridiot: Why did the student wait 10 years to report the relationship?  Was blackmail involved?


www.tatp.org
 
2013-01-07 03:12:07 PM  

ReapTheChaos: People have been farking their university professors for as long as there have been universities.


And people have been farking their employees for as long as there has been employment, But in recent years, we as a society have become less tolerant of this stuff. As others have pointed out, a coach controls your scholarship, while a professor (hopefully) only controls your grade in their class.
 
2013-01-07 03:15:29 PM  

minoridiot: Why did the student wait 10 years to report the relationship?


Sometimes people "find God" and do stuff like that.
 
2013-01-07 03:50:20 PM  
It probably left a bad taste in her mouth....

/tip your waitress, etc
 
2013-01-07 04:16:07 PM  
I bet it was saltier than Chinese candy!
/Ducks.
 
2013-01-07 04:37:29 PM  
The relationship must not have ended well if she's outing the coach now. Either that or the student was retarded to think this wouldn't backlash on the coach.
 
2013-01-07 04:54:51 PM  
I understand why rules are in place about coaches and athletes. I went to college on a partial athletic scholarship, and there were a few instances of assistant coaches and athletes hooking up at my school, and that's wrong. That's just a line you don't cross, although the temptation and opportunity is definitely there.

However, the timing of this athlete coming forward is suspicious to me. Why reveal the relationship now, if not for some sinister purpose?
 
2013-01-07 05:04:55 PM  

caddisfly: This headline reminds me to watch "Personal Best" again very soon.
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Great movie! Yes I frapped.
 
2013-01-07 05:57:40 PM  

StrandedInAZ: I understand why rules are in place about coaches and athletes. I went to college on a partial athletic scholarship, and there were a few instances of assistant coaches and athletes hooking up at my school, and that's wrong. That's just a line you don't cross, although the temptation and opportunity is definitely there.

However, the timing of this athlete coming forward is suspicious to me. Why reveal the relationship now, if not for some sinister purpose?


Alternately, why fire and ostracize the teacher now, without first doing an investigation to find out if it was a one-time thing long past or it's been going on ever since? (And let's be honest, the whole stereotype of coaches is that they're going to fark their students.)
 
2013-01-07 06:56:35 PM  
+1
 
2013-01-07 09:43:37 PM  

TheOther: Reverend Monkeypants: Who cares? They're adults.

This goddamn precious snowflake attitude that lasts into the mid-twenties has got to farking end.

A coach controls a student's scholarship.

You and your boss are presumably both adults, but his giving you a reach-around is inappropriate since he controls your paycheck.


Did she give preferential treatment?
 
2013-01-07 09:44:37 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Reverend Monkeypants: Who cares? They're adults.

This goddamn precious snowflake attitude that lasts into the mid-twenties has got to farking end.

You can't sleep with a student for the same reasons you can't sleep with an employee


Why?
Because what?
 
2013-01-07 09:45:19 PM  

This text is now purple: TheOther: Reverend Monkeypants: Who cares? They're adults.

This goddamn precious snowflake attitude that lasts into the mid-twenties has got to farking end.

A coach controls a student's scholarship.

It's not the affair, it's that it's potentially extortion.


Ah so more paranoia and "if" and "maybe" for our society. Cool. Litigation for all!
 
2013-01-07 09:46:47 PM  

hasty ambush: Reverend Monkeypants: Who cares? They're adults.

This goddamn precious snowflake attitude that lasts into the mid-twenties has got to farking end.

I don' t think it is an age issue. Look at it this way if the coach was a male the feminists would be quick to point out he was in a position of authority over the female and took advantage it. Of course what they are saying is this younger student was unable to resist the advance of the older wiser prof/coach. If you look at what stumbles and staggers across a college campus nowadays that is believeable. I have a hard time believiing most of them don't need assistance putting on their Birkenstocks and crossing the street to get their morning cup of fair trade coffee.

It is simply good policy for a college or university to forbid teacher student realtionships. It prevents them form geting their asses sued over allegation of favoritism or if the prof and student have a domestic dispute and she decides to claim pressure/rape etc etc.

The polciy of not sh@tting where you work or fishing off the company pier is a good one.


And again, fear of litigation. It's self perpetuating.
 
2013-01-07 10:23:06 PM  
This lady is my neighbor, so this hits close to home.

She's really nice, adopted one of the kids who died in the car wreck that disabled her, always has people over her house. Spent many years coaching, won 6 national championships for UT.

She was up for a BIG raise. Somebody caught wind of it and leaked the relationship to block it. Now, she doesn't have a job and there's a for sale sign in her yard.

I know she made her choices and made a big mistake, but she's suffered a lot already. I'm sure she'll do fine, but the way she's being trashed, it's bad.

/not-so-CSB
 
2013-01-08 12:46:45 AM  

huchipapa: It probably left a bad taste in her mouth....

/tip your waitress, etc


Ex-Texan: I bet it was saltier than Chinese candy!
/Ducks.


I bet it smelled like a shiathouse on a tuna boat.
 
2013-01-08 11:04:37 AM  
As long as she gave her Personal Best.
 
2013-01-08 10:05:36 PM  

Voiceofreason01: You can't sleep with a student for the same reasons you can't sleep with an employee


Why can't a boss to sleep with an employee?
 
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