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(Salon)   NRA agrees that armed guards in schools to protect children are a dumb idea, pledges to work for a better solution. Not really - they want the guards' weapons equipped with silencers, explaining that no one is thinking of the childrens' hearing   (salon.com) divider line 402
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2013-01-07 08:35:44 AM  
*headdesk*
 
2013-01-07 08:45:19 AM  
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
2013-01-07 09:02:19 AM  
The NRA has been a strange lot for years, but ever since Sandy Hook they have just gone completely off the rails.  It would be interesting to know what effect this whole affair has had on their membership numbers.
 
2013-01-07 09:31:34 AM  
Fun Fact: "Silencers" don't work like they do in movies or TV, they decrease the loudness maybe by half.
 
2013-01-07 09:31:58 AM  
That's just silly.  Clearly the answer is ninjas in every school.
 
2013-01-07 09:44:56 AM  
Get that farking huge robot thing from RoboCop.
 
2013-01-07 09:46:46 AM  

vernonFL: Fun Fact: "Silencers" don't work like they do in movies or TV, they decrease the loudness maybe by half.


.22LR is significantly better than that. The best .22 cans on a bolt gun will get you close to 40 dB reduction. Still louder than movies though.
 
2013-01-07 09:47:02 AM  
C'mon guys, cut them some slack. We all know that the armed guard at Columbine High School prevented a tragedy, right?
 
2013-01-07 09:47:14 AM  
Goddamn they just can't stop being stupid
 
2013-01-07 09:47:34 AM  
Yes, drastically increasing highly controlled gun attachments into more citizens' hands will totally help with the school shootings. This will make it easier for crazy farks to obtain them so that next time it happens they won't have to worry about the children fleeing at the sounds of gun fire.

It doesn't have to be logical, it just has to be conservative.
 
2013-01-07 09:48:40 AM  
This doesn't address safety in getting to school, which will require school districts to provide APCs rather than buses, preferably guarded by a tank column. Towns should also have crossing guards set up a defensive position equipped with mortars and machine guns.
 
2013-01-07 09:49:00 AM  
Oh NRA, you're so adorable. Maybe one day you'll be old enough to sit at the adults table.
 
2013-01-07 09:49:03 AM  

Dejah: That's just silly.  Clearly the answer is ninjas in every school.


We had ninjas protecting my high school.
At least that's what we were told, we never saw them.
Clever ninjas.
 
2013-01-07 09:51:21 AM  
I didn't see anything in the article about having silencers in schools...it merely discussed the promotion of silencers in general by certain pro-gun groups.

I think promoting silencers is patently stupid, but let's be honest about the article we're discussing.
 
2013-01-07 09:51:29 AM  
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Good god, NRA!
 
2013-01-07 09:51:43 AM  

aevert: .22LR is significantly better than that. The best .22 cans on a bolt gun will get you close to 40 dB reduction. Still louder than movies though.


you are still better off with subsonic ammo than regular ammo and a silencer subsonics will sound like a pellet gun, they also will only work on a repeater or single shot rifle, i have never seen a semi-auto action delicate enough to cycle properly on subsonics, and if there is one it would probably ONLY work safely with subsonics
 
2013-01-07 09:52:15 AM  

nekom: The NRA has been a strange lot for years, but ever since Sandy Hook they have just gone completely off the rails.  It would be interesting to know what effect this whole affair has had on their membership numbers.


A sharp spike as interested people sign on in preparation of a political struggle over guns followed by sharp decline as people realize the pilots are drunk.

/wild guess
 
2013-01-07 09:52:25 AM  

aevert: vernonFL: Fun Fact: "Silencers" don't work like they do in movies or TV, they decrease the loudness maybe by half.

.22LR is significantly better than that. The best .22 cans on a bolt gun will get you close to 40 dB reduction. Still louder than movies though.


Ive seen some videos where all you hear on a silenced .22 is the action of the bolt. But yeah, still louder than the movies.
 
2013-01-07 09:52:45 AM  
yes, a side effect (main effect?) of suppressors is saving one's ears, not just concealing the location of the shooter. firearm basics that aren't taught in the united states, where ALL SILENCERS ARE THE WORK OF JAMES BOND-ESQUE VILLIANS.
 
2013-01-07 09:54:39 AM  

vernonFL: Fun Fact: "Silencers" don't work like they do in movies or TV, they decrease the loudness maybe by half.


I saw Zero Dark Thirty yesterday, and the SEALs' silencers made a distinct "POP" sound.  Not the pfffft of James Bond.  So, chalk one up for Hollywood realism.
 
2013-01-07 09:55:03 AM  

nekom: The NRA has been a strange lot for years, but ever since Sandy Hook they have just gone completely off the rails.  It would be interesting to know what effect this whole affair has had on their membership numbers.


The NRA is becoming to gun ownership as Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity. I honestly am almost offended when I buy a new gun and it has all kindsa NRA advertisement crap in the manual bag.
 
2013-01-07 09:55:18 AM  
Should be no debate about silencers. No constitutional protection for those. Outlaw them. Plain and simple.

You know, for the lulz!
 
2013-01-07 09:56:28 AM  

Trivia Jockey: I didn't see anything in the article about having silencers in schools...it merely discussed the promotion of silencers in general by certain pro-gun groups.

I think promoting silencers is patently stupid, but let's be honest about the article we're discussing.


Honesty diminishes the credibility of arguments regarding firearm regulation. This is true for both sides of the issue.
 
2013-01-07 09:56:43 AM  

vernonFL: Fun Fact: "Silencers" don't work like they do in movies or TV, they decrease the loudness maybe by half.


Pretty much. A few of our guys had them in Iraq. They turn the sound of an M4's 5.56mm NATO round into what sounds like roughly like a .22LR.

About the only thing that even comes close to the Hollywood sound effect of a Schoolgirl Queef are those silenced .22 Ruger pistols.
 
2013-01-07 09:56:48 AM  
Among the opening shots in the campaign was a feature in the February 2011 issue of Gun World, "Silence is Golden," penned by the veteran gun writer Jim Dickson. "One only has to look at children in the rest of the world learning to shoot with silencers,protecting their tender young ears, to see what an innocent safety device we are talking about here," writes Dickson. "To use an overworked propaganda phrase, legalize silencers 'for the sake of the children.'"

Citation needed. Where in the rest of the world are children taught to shoot with silencers?
 
2013-01-07 09:56:57 AM  

Dejah: That's just silly.  Clearly the answer is ninjas in every school.


Then schools would be vulnerable to Pirates.  C'mon people.  Think about the consequences of your ideas before just blurting them out.
 
2013-01-07 09:57:14 AM  
A couple of other ideas:

-Laser sights would make it easier to avoid accidentally shooting innocent bystanders while taking out a rampaging lunatic.

-Mandatory markings on the clothing of anyone who is unarmed, so that gun owners know they are not a threat and there is no need to shoot them.
 
2013-01-07 09:57:21 AM  

theknuckler_33: Should be no debate about silencers. No constitutional protection for those. Outlaw them. Plain and simple.

You know, for the lulz!


THERE ARE NO LOUD NOISES IN THE LIBRARY!!!
 
2013-01-07 09:57:26 AM  
Guards are suboptimal: they're expensive, they're easily-identified, they have to be carefully monitored, and you can't really hire enough of them. But actually making society once again robust against these attacks is going to take at least a generation -maybe two- and as an interim solution it is probably the best, most realistic option we have.
 
2013-01-07 09:57:48 AM  

Citrate1007: Yes, drastically increasing highly controlled gun attachments into more citizens' hands will totally help with the school shootings. This will make it easier for crazy farks to obtain them so that next time it happens they won't have to worry about the children fleeing at the sounds of gun fire.

It doesn't have to be logical, it just has to be conservative.


You aren't going to get a sound people wont run from without building sound suppression into the gun(fantastically illegal). They are calling suppressors safety equipment because that's what they are.

The original idea of armed guards in school is still rock stupid.
 
2013-01-07 09:58:12 AM  

I_C_Weener: Dejah: That's just silly.  Clearly the answer is ninjas in every school.

Then schools would be vulnerable to Pirates.  C'mon people.  Think about the consequences of your ideas before just blurting them out.


But on the other hand, more pirates equals less global warming....
 
2013-01-07 09:58:17 AM  
well, it looks like the peace and love liberal hippy brigade is safety at their keyboards this morning, i'm going to go work soberly now. have fun with your all your drugs.
 
2013-01-07 09:58:28 AM  
Hasn't the real problem been door control?

The Arizona shooting was a hall event that was underway before the guy came in and shot up the place.
Aurora was a closed theater that was entered through a fire door.
Sandy Hook Elementary was half way through the morning before it was entered.

I remember the doors in all my classrooms being fairly stout. If they weren't bullet resistant it wouldn't a stretch to upgrade them in the future. Most campuses already have lock-down procedures. And forgetting about disasters, there's always a threat of "custodial interference" in nasty divorces and the like. So, door control.
 
2013-01-07 09:59:18 AM  

utah dude: well, it looks like the peace and love liberal hippy brigade is safety at their keyboards this morning, i'm going to go work soberly now. have fun with your all your drugs.


Have fun at the bathhouse!
 
2013-01-07 09:59:46 AM  

utah dude: i'm going to go work soberly now. have fun with your all your drugs.


*snerk*
 
2013-01-07 09:59:48 AM  
Please NRA, go back to blaming mass murders on some shiatty flash game. You seemed much more intelligent.

And if you're that concerned about hearing loss due to firearms, maybe you should shoot them less often. Or I don't know, wear some damn earplugs.
 
2013-01-07 10:00:33 AM  
Look, libs.  Everyone has a gun in Iraq and how often do you hear about shootings there?  Exactly.  It's like in the Old West where every man had a sidearm.  You didn't hear about shootings there, did you?

The problem is violence in movies, which are made by libjews by the way.  Suck it, gun grabbies.
 
2013-01-07 10:01:06 AM  

Karac: Please NRA, go back to blaming mass murders on some shiatty flash game. You seemed much more intelligent.

And if you're that concerned about hearing loss due to firearms, maybe you should shoot them less often. Or I don't know, wear some damn earplugs.


I do wear earplugs and earmuffs simultaneously. I am still planning upon purchase of a sound suppressor to reduce the risk of hearing damage.
 
2013-01-07 10:01:30 AM  
at this point it seems like the NRA is just flat out trolling the country.
 
2013-01-07 10:02:37 AM  

Weaver95: at this point it seems like the NRA is just flat out trolling the country.


Unfortunately, without a rational prominent firearm rights advocacy organization, unreasonable restrictions such as those proposed by Senator Dianne Feinstein -- who wishes to ban sale of the M1 Carbine to civilians -- will seem reasonable by comparison to individuals uneducated regarding firearms rights.
 
2013-01-07 10:03:27 AM  

Weaver95: at this point it seems like the NRA is just flat out trolling the country.


Do not attribute to malice what can reasonably be ascribed to incompetence.
 
2013-01-07 10:03:36 AM  

I_C_Weener: Dejah: That's just silly.  Clearly the answer is ninjas in every school.

Then schools would be vulnerable to Pirates.  C'mon people.  Think about the consequences of your ideas before just blurting them out.


Fine. Suitcase nukes for everone!
 
2013-01-07 10:03:52 AM  
In movies you often will see a silencer on a revolver.
 
2013-01-07 10:04:06 AM  
If the current campaign succeeds in delisting silencers from NFA regulation, the gun lobby likely won't wait long before targeting the remaining regulatory regimes limiting the circulation of fully automatic machine guns and even hand grenades. Do not be surprised when you see a 2014 Gun World feature extolling freshwater blast fishing as a great way to connect kids and nature, while reducing the risks of fishing with sharp steel hooks, some of which have dangerous double jags.

Is this a perfect example of the slippery slope fallacy or what? A good example of strawman too since I've never heard of the NRA wanting public ownership of grenades.
 
2013-01-07 10:05:16 AM  

utah dude: well, it looks like the peace and love liberal hippy brigade is safety at their keyboards this morning, i'm going to go work soberly now. have fun with your all your drugs.


Later dudemanbroseph
 
2013-01-07 10:05:23 AM  

Millennium: Guards are suboptimal: they're expensive, they're easily-identified, they have to be carefully monitored, and you can't really hire enough of them.


Solutions:
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Automatic machine guns equipped with motion sensors. Just give all the little Timmy's and Suzie's an ID card with an RFID chip that makes the sentry guns disregard them as targets. Sure, a couple will forget and leave the cards home at first, but really, that's just weeding the duckweed out of the gene pool. And if it's a real problem, then we just forget the ID cards and plant the chips in directly.

Oh, and put some silencers on those things. Don't want to wake any of the kindergarteners up during naptime if a squirrel happens to try to cross the quad.
 
2013-01-07 10:06:27 AM  

Dimensio: ban sale of the M1 Carbine to civilians -- will seem reasonable


How is refusing to allow non-military personnel access to weapons both specifically designed for killing humans and widely abused unreasonable?
 
2013-01-07 10:06:42 AM  
I have a real sinking suspicion all this armed guards talk is just a red herring. Is there any new legislation in regards to firearms on the floor or preparing to be proposed? As crazy as the NRA looks, the gun makers lobby can't be this stupid.
 
2013-01-07 10:06:56 AM  

Karac: Millennium: Guards are suboptimal: they're expensive, they're easily-identified, they have to be carefully monitored, and you can't really hire enough of them.

Solutions:
[alienscollection.com image 850x460]

Automatic machine guns equipped with motion sensors. Just give all the little Timmy's and Suzie's an ID card with an RFID chip that makes the sentry guns disregard them as targets. Sure, a couple will forget and leave the cards home at first, but really, that's just weeding the duckweed out of the gene pool. And if it's a real problem, then we just forget the ID cards and plant the chips in directly.

Oh, and put some silencers on those things. Don't want to wake any of the kindergarteners up during naptime if a squirrel happens to try to cross the quad.


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Apone: Knock it off, Hudson. All right, gear up.
 
2013-01-07 10:08:26 AM  

Dimensio: Karac: Please NRA, go back to blaming mass murders on some shiatty flash game. You seemed much more intelligent.

And if you're that concerned about hearing loss due to firearms, maybe you should shoot them less often. Or I don't know, wear some damn earplugs.

I do wear earplugs and earmuffs simultaneously. I am still planning upon purchase of a sound suppressor to reduce the risk of hearing damage.


I wear both too. It is more than enough to protect your ears. At that point you are hurting them more driving to the range than at it.
 
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