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(Yahoo)   Musician: "I'd like to buy an extra ticket for my $10,000 vintage Gibson guitar." Delta: "No; but at no additional cost to you we'll smash it in an elevator"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 356
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2013-01-07 11:31:36 AM

Ghastly: Bought a Harmonium when I was in India. Wrapped it with bubble wrap 40 centimetres deep on all sides. Put it in heavy duty cardboard 3 centimetres thick. Wrapped it another 15 centimetres deep in bubble wrap.

Airline still managed to smash it. I think when airlines see "musician" as occupation on your visa they smash the shiat out of your stuff just to make sure.


This is because there is a relationship between what you said and what LordOfThePings said.
 
2013-01-07 11:46:57 AM
I haven't been on a plane in over 16years. Even though stories like this are few and far between, I have terrible luck so I know something like this would happen to me.
 
2013-01-07 11:54:57 AM
i.imgur.com

Here's your sign.
 
2013-01-07 11:58:13 AM
God invented cheap Korean knockoffs so you wouldn't have to travel with your rare guitar. Let me tell all you musicians out there, 99.99% of your live audience can't tell the difference between your rare Gibson and the $99 Walmart special. Also, don't wait till you get to the airport to ask about what to do with your guitar and don't skimp on the flight case.
 
2013-01-07 11:59:48 AM
The reason you dont need a farking steel box for your violon is because he expected to travel with it in the seat next to him.
 
2013-01-07 12:01:24 PM

MycroftHolmes: Smoky Dragon Dish: Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.

FTA: He wanted to by a ticket for the guitar. But, Delta said no.

You sound like you ate a lot of paste in second grade.

Please find the exact words in the article that says this. The article does not ever say that he tried to buy a ticket.


Schneider says he even showed them a link to a story about Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments.

But he was denied



So, explain... why mention it at all? Why would the musician show the airline employee this law, saying he was allowed to buy a seat for his musical instrument? That wouldn't be to his advantage... unless he was willing to go through with it.
 
2013-01-07 12:13:12 PM

Bob Falfa: TommyymmoT: The case in question:
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
I mispoke. Those cases don't go for $600.
This one, is being offered at $1500.

It's not a "cheap" case, it's just the WRONG case for the situation.

The case for my sunglasses is sturdier than that.
If I had a $10,00 guitar, it would travel in this:
[www.drumza.com image 250x250]
Also, I wouldn't travel with something that valuable.


If this guy wasn't smart enough to pop $250 for a Peilcan case that you could park a Hummer on, then I have no sympathy for him.
 
2013-01-07 12:14:36 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: So, explain... why mention it at all? Why would the musician show the airline employee this law, saying he was allowed to buy a seat for his musical instrument? That wouldn't be to his advantage... unless he was willing to go through with it.


It is not clear from the article that he mentioned it to the ticketing agent at all. That part could have been clarification added by the writer. Let me ask you this, which scenario seems more likely

1. Customer offers to purchase a last minute full fare on a flight with available seats for his instrument, but is denied, even though Delta company policy is to allow the purchase.

or

2. Customer wanted a special consideration, at no cost to himself, that the airline was unable to provide.

Which of those passes the smell test?
 
2013-01-07 12:26:27 PM

Naked Singularity: There's the way things are and the way they ought to be. Let's just say that after 4 decades of flying I know what to expect. Millions of bags transported a year, thrown onto and off of carts, into and out of plane bellies, and finally through automated luggage systems. Your luggage will come out dirty, somewhat beaten up (if you're lucky) or damaged (if you're not).

If you want your luggage to get taken better care of ship it via Fed Ex and make sure it's insured. Or, leave it at home.

Quoting this, not your inaccurate claim that it has been answered:


This isn't to claim that the useless creatures who have been inadvertantly employed to handle airport baggage have some kind of intrinsic validity.

Here's my question (don't view it in the context of what exists, view it in the context of what *should* exist):

Why are you trying to defend the system that botches the handling of airline baggage?

What do you want? Do you want the goal to be that all airline baggage is handled carefully and delivered to the correct location, or do you want it to be handled badly, and treated like shiat?

You seem to have the viewpoint that it isn't possible to properly handle the airline luggage, and so there's no sense in even trying to do it right.

What's wrong with the idea of having a culture of treating the checked baggage as if it were your own?

What's wrong with the idea of taking pride in your work, and making sure that every package is handled with all due care and that it goes where it should?

What's wrong with the concept that we should reject the idea that it's okay to treat these packages in the worst possible way, and not be held accountable for it?

You're defending the idea that it's okay to slack off and treat what comes past you as some kind of inconvenience.

I'm offering up the idea that it's perfectly acceptable to spend the effort to deliver what is promised (that what is checked is delivered in the same condition as when it was presented).


So very much THIS!
 
2013-01-07 12:44:20 PM

FormlessOne: me texan: Ok, the way I read the story was that he just tried to get them to let him carry the guitar on, and cited the congressional act to help his case - but didn't go so far as to buy a ticket.  If that's the case, he's an idiot for leaving a $10K instrument in the hands of the baggage monkeys.  It's still their fault it was mangled in the elevator, but he should have known better than to leave itin their care.

Then you missed the point where he asked to buy a ticket, and was denied. From the article:

While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland.

"I've always carried it on," Schneider, who also tours as the lead singer of the hockey-themed rock group the Zambonis, told Yahoo News. "Never been a problem before."

Schneider says he even showed them a link to a story about Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments.

But he was denied.

He tried, Delta humped a bunk, and the result was squished stringamajig.


He tried to buy a ticket at the farking gate AFTER they told him he couldn't bring it on the plane. Sure, hold everyone up because he didn't plan ahead. Real musicians buy real flight cases and check their instruments. I have no sympathy for this moran.
 
2013-01-07 12:52:30 PM

D135: "Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments. But he was denied."

"The guitar itself was pinned between two beams and took workers an hour to retrieve it. It sustained damage to the bridge, neck and tail that would cost an estimated $1,980. But so far, Schneider says, Delta has given him the 'runaround.'"

/a couple of people in this thread are retarded... or 10/10 trolls based on persistence.


You fail at reading comprehension. In your defense, TFA is intentionally misleading, but it doesn't say he asked to buy a ticket. The delicious irony in this thread is the name-calling and posturing about reading the article... by people that read it... yet... clearly failed to understand it.

Read it a few more times... you'll see it.

Hint: Verbs are very important... don't ignore them... or add your own.
 
2013-01-07 12:53:27 PM

MycroftHolmes: Smoky Dragon Dish: So, explain... why mention it at all? Why would the musician show the airline employee this law, saying he was allowed to buy a seat for his musical instrument? That wouldn't be to his advantage... unless he was willing to go through with it.

It is not clear from the article that he mentioned it to the ticketing agent at all. That part could have been clarification added by the writer. Let me ask you this, which scenario seems more likely

1. Customer offers to purchase a last minute full fare on a flight with available seats for his instrument, but is denied, even though Delta company policy is to allow the purchase.

or

2. Customer wanted a special consideration, at no cost to himself, that the airline was unable to provide.

Which of those passes the smell test?


Typically, I would say 2. Based on my reading of the article, however, I say it was option 3:

3: Customer wanted to carry on a musical insturment onto a full flight. Delta said no, it's a full flight and there is no room. Customer offered to buy a ticket for the instrument. Delta said no, it's a full flight and there is no room.


Now, here is MY speculation:
The point everybody is missing in this thread is that the bag was GATE CHECKED.

Gate Checking != Checking bags. Now, the fact that Delta was gate-checking bags makes me think that he was flying on one of those Embraer flying-busses, plus he was flying from Buffalo to Detroit. Otherwise, how did he take the photo of his crushed guitar? Plus, he said he heard the noise himself. I've seen how people treat the baggage handlers on the gangway. I think that the baggage handler may have done it on purpose.

Normally, when you gate-check a bag, it's nearly as safe as putting it in an overhead. Only two pther people touch that bag. The baggage handler in the departing airport, and the baggage handler at the arrival airport. I can't speculate on whether the baggage handler did it on purpose or not, since either seems equally likely.

But, my point was only that the customer wanted to bring his guitar on board, even to go as far as purchasing a ticket for the guitar, but delta said no (for whatever reason).
 
2013-01-07 12:54:27 PM
Sheesh this thing blew up.

Please, someone with a physics background explain how if the remains of a flimsy case are crushed down far enough that even a steel beam would be bent by trying to compact it further.

And to all the people that said the guy tried to buy a ticket, re read the article.  It never says that.  It does however say that he tried to get them to let him put his guitar in an open seat, and he tried to back his plea up by citing congress.  And if you still don't beleive it, ask yourself this question:

If he was going to buy an extra seat, as allowed by congress, why didn't he do it when he purchased his?

And to those of you who think the original case is good enough to send what is basically a valuable piece of art: Do you expect to walk through the slums of Rio with the same expectation of being unmolested as you do walking through times square?  The answer is no - you hope for the best, but expect the worst.  If I sent a brand new iPad through in checked baggage in its original box you would laugh at them for being a dumbass.  It doesn't mean the airline wasn't negligent.  It means that they were, but that the person sending it was completely naive about it to the point that you would question his judgement.
 
2013-01-07 12:58:06 PM
Not News: Airlines destroy item. Fark: 300+ comments, most arguing about reading comprehension.
/Thanks, helped grow my ignore list.
// By posting this, I added to the problem. Wee!
/// You're not stuck IN traffic, you ARE traffic.
 
2013-01-07 01:05:27 PM

Rihlsul: Fark: 300+ comments, most arguing about reading comprehension.


You got something better to talk about?
 
2013-01-07 01:14:06 PM
There's one for $8500 buy now on ebay.
 
2013-01-07 01:27:09 PM
Years ago, when my father passed away (in the late 80's), he left me his 12-string acoustic guitar. Nothing valuable, but still a nice guitar.

I tried to bring it on as carry-on baggage, and they told me I couldn't. They tried to fit it in the front compartment (a small closet for Jackets), it wouldn't fit. They insisted I check it. I told them how I'd gotten it, and that I was afraid it would get harmed, they assured me it would be fine.

When it came down the luggage area, it had three clear footprints on it, and the case was cracked. Inside was the smashed remains of my dad's guitar. It had been curbstomped multiple times.

Destroyed completely. Complaints to management went unanswered for weeks. Eventually I was offerred fifty dollars for the damage.

Don't trust airlines with anything valuable.
 
2013-01-07 01:35:34 PM

TommyymmoT: I toured for many years, and I always stressed to NOT bring anything with you that you can't afford to have damaged or stolen.
Yes, your '57 Les Paul is very nice, but if we're flying, leave it home and buy a beater that does the job.
I've picked up my share of empty guitar cases from from luggage carousels, and that sinking feeling when you pick up that case, is not good.

I've started building, buying and selling the occasional expensive instrument, and If I sell something over $1200, I charge an extra $150 to cover the cost of a used flight case to ship it in.
Airlines aren't the only bunglers out there.

This, is how that guitar should have been traveling.
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Fact is, even just the original Gibson CASE that was destroyed, cost more than any of the proper cases pictured above.


Because if 9/11 idiocy, you can no longer lock your luggage. The baggage monkeys will still steal it.
 
2013-01-07 01:39:01 PM

lohphat: The baggage monkeys will still steal it.


If it's locked they won't.

/but the TSA will.
 
2013-01-07 01:43:30 PM

Flab: OptimusHime: Pray 4 Mojo: Flight case dude... look into them.

Cyno01: And fta he tried to buy a seat for it even but was denied.

No he didn't. Apparently you and subby both failed to RTFA...

"While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland."

Insofar as the link he showed the employees was a rule allowing musicians to buy a separate seat for their instrument, I'm going to assume that his implied offer was buying the ticket. It seems more believable than the employees go through the hassle of offering him the chance to buy the ticket right then and there. Of course it could have been the lack of foresight on his part not to buy the ticket ahead of time, and the crunch of travel that made carrying it and just putting it in an available space impossible. Really, to me, both perspectives are conceivable.

His flight was diverted and he missed his connection. It's kind of hard to buy your ticket in advance when this happens!

Did anyone read TFA?


Actually fairly easy. It would be taken care of the same way I would take care of my brother's ticket if we were traveling together and this happened: at the same time I arrange the connection for myself, I make sure my brother's ticket is taken care of as well rather than try to get him on the plane without planning.

Bear in mind that my definition of "in advance" isn't "days in advance", it's "before you're actually in the process of boarding and the employees have to say 'Sir, that won't fit, I'm afraid you'll have to check it.'"
 
2013-01-07 01:45:40 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Bob Falfa: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

I've seen airlines turn those nearly indestructible cases into Swiss cheese before. A good friend of mine's cello was mangled and destroyed that way. As far as I can tell airlines go out of their way to smash instruments. I managed to get lucky the one time I flew with my viola and there was a policy at the time that they could store it in a closet as carry on and not checked.

My friend was not so lucky and lost a horn on that same flight.

/after looking at the case for that horn they had to have purposefully gone out of their way to smash it
//flattened and chunks taken out

Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Guess you have to obey the rules and check bags that don't fit into overhead bins like the rest of us mortals. Boo farking hoo.
Seems like somebody could make a fortune make really, really good instrument cases.

If the case is good enough, the instrument will disappear instead of being mangled. Problem solved!


You want fun? My friend had literal "bulletproof" cases for his alto and tenor saxophones. One per case, each case a combination of high grade steel, ballistic cloth, and some incredible padding and liner materials. The airlines managed to destroy both on the same flight.

The manufacturer of these cases used to show how tough they were by shooting them rifles, pistols, and dropping them from multiple stories high.

Those cases looked like someone mashed them in a press until something finally collapsed. The airlines just hate musical instruments. I think they hate guns too, but there's a lot more hell to pay of you mash a firearms case.
 
2013-01-07 01:55:01 PM
Vintage Gibson owner so I am definitely not getting a kick etc. Now I know its a dead thread but a lot of people in here are full of crap, just a brief recap of the highlights:

A. 10 grand for a guitar really isn't very much, I live in Podunk TX and just a couple of months ago met a guy in a local shop with a Martin from the 20's worth literally tens of thousands. Guitars of this value are called "heirloom quality" as many are literally handed down father to son for generations like they were f'ing Samurai swords or something. Granted not all are gained this way but just because he owns a 10k guitar does not mean he's rich. Not to mention a perusal of Gibson's current line will give you several models newly produced without the vintage premium added that have an MSRP of over $10,000

B. Chances are he did try to buy a seat as others have said why mention the ability to buy a seat without the intention of buying a seat? Your refutations of "the article never explicitly states that he tried to secure a seat" are lazy and childish.

C. The figure of $1980 is the cost of having the guitar repaired, the guy isn't even asking for the value of the guitar which lets be realistic would be the minimum he would be awarded in any court of law. So he's obviously not just trying to get paid. His instrument is the tool of his trade he could also get cash for lost wages as a result of this probably it would be like if someone demonstrably at fault had destroyed a tow truck belonging to a small wrecking business. Any lawyer worth the name dirtbag will get him at least that.

D. Lastly to the genius who suggested he buy a Pelican case I'll make you a deal I'll let you drive over my SG in a Pelican case with a hummer right after you let me drive over yours.

Sorry everyone but I take guitars very, very seriously. That being said if they hadn't allowed me to buy a seat for my guitar I would have tried to book with another airline.
 
2013-01-07 02:06:48 PM
I don't know if it's been said but if he tried to buy a ticket during boarding then yeah, they probably wouldn't be able to accommodate him. Most of the flights I take these days are at capacity. If the flight was full, obviously they wouldn't have a seat to sell him. If the flight wasn't full, then maybe they just didn't want to dick around for a guitar. During boarding they are focused on getting the plane into the air on schedule.

Now, if he had tried to buy a seat for the guitar in advance, that's another story altogether. I doubt he did that though.
 
2013-01-07 02:08:48 PM

ScaryBottles: the guy isn't even asking for the value of the guitar which lets be realistic would be the minimum he would be awarded in any court of law.


No, the minimum he would be awarded in any court of law is the liability limit the airline put in their terms and conditions, to which the guy agreed when he checked his guitar.
 
2013-01-07 02:38:26 PM
"It was this crazy sound," Schneider said. "Metal on metal."
www.moviezit.com
 
2013-01-07 02:55:51 PM

Oldiron_79: I'm surprised that I seem to be in before a Fender fanboi saying "nothing of value was lost"


far, far too many comments to read on a nice january afternoon (well, nice for january anyway) and I should be outside walking.

Came to say "If it had been a telecaster, it would not even be out of tune."

It's sad to lose a '65 ES 335 but thank goodness it wasn't a dot neck '59 with original PAFs. But, yeah, cali girl cases are not for protecting the guitar against airline apes.

/not expecting people who don't speak guitar to understand my post, it's ok.
 
2013-01-07 03:31:07 PM
Whole pile of asshole idiots up in here.

How about the fooking airlines not completely destroy peoples crap?

Huh? Is that so damned impossible?

And the knobs railing the hardest against this guy obviously have no idea what it's like being a working musician on the road. In theory he should have been able to carry on the axe. They screwed him on it. What was he supposed to do? Cancel the gig? Leave his axe in an airport locker?

I personally wouldn't take an instrument that valuable on the road but those Gibby cases are solid. There is no excuse for what happened.

Also I'm not sure if this article mentions it (I read about this a few days ago) but the corksmoker airline offered him $1000. He declined that offer because he didn't have a quote for the repairs yet. The quote ended up being more so that was wise of him. When he did have the quote and tried to contact them they wouldn't return his messages. It was only after he made a stink in the press the airline stepped up. Dude's not being greedy either. It damaged the bridge which isn't such a huge deal but it also damaged the neck which IS a huge deal. Any neck damage and subsequent repairs significantly alter the tone and playability of a guitar and the resale value. He should have made the cocksuckers pay for the entire value because it is no longer the same instrument and any further appreciation of value will be lost.

Now I didn't mention the fact he asked to pay for an extra ticket but when this first came to light the article I read said he had. They refused. That's against the law. Perhaps the flight was filled up, perhaps that part of the story was bullsh*t... doesn't matter. The real problem here is that arseholes here seem to think that it's perfectly okay that this guy's instrument got trashed. The rape analogy upthread was apt.

Well hey, you should know that guys rape people... so you shouldn't have had a vagina. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!

Idiots.
 
2013-01-07 03:59:55 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Serious Black: My Maribel is worth about $2,500, and I don't have nearly enough money to fly first class everywhere I go.

Is Maribel a guitar? You leave the "expensive" gear at home.

A $199 Epiphone sounds remarkably similar to a '59 Les Paul in a large venue.


Funny you say that. I've recently sold my '88 Les Paul (not a particularly good year) and a Randall 100 watt 2x12" combo. Expensive Guitar, moderately cheap amp. Turned right around with the same money and bought a Squier Tele Classic Vibe, a Squier Vintage Modified Jazz Bass (about $275 each) and an Egnater Rebel-30 head and 1x12". These "cheap" guitars play and sound WAAAY better than my old setup. My old bass player was blown away by the Squier Jazz bass, and has since purchased two squier guitars, and 3 squier basses. The Squier line of Fender guitars is better than the REAL Fenders, up to the American Standards. I tried the squier tele against a boatload of other teles, and the only one that played and sounded better was a $1500 Fender AS.

It's not so much how expensive the instrument, it's how it's played in experienced hands...
 
2013-01-07 04:14:59 PM
My son the bassoonist (not an Alan Sherman record AFAIK) travels everywhere with his $25k instrument - a bassoon comes apart for storage and its case will fit in an overhead bin though. When I was younger I flew everywhere with my beloved 000-18 and never thought twice about checking it along with my other luggage. The old wooden case got beat up, but the guitar always arrived in perfect shape.

They make folding guitars now too.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-07 04:21:35 PM

Johnny Bananapeel:

They make folding guitars now too.

[i.imgur.com image 291x350]


Oh gawd... no no no NO!
 
2013-01-07 04:43:07 PM
From the comments in this thread I've learned that unless you pack your guitar in a 3 inch thick steel safe, expect it to be trashed and it's your fault because you didn't teleport it there.
 
2013-01-07 04:48:12 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: From the comments in this thread I've learned that unless you pack your guitar in a 3 inch thick steel safe, expect it to be trashed and it's your fault because you didn't teleport it there.


And even then, it'll either be destroyed or stolen by the people at the airport.
 
2013-01-07 04:48:53 PM
Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?  Did that "United Breaks Guitars" video really get 12 million views on YouTube?  Damn.  Respect.  I've never gotten that kind of publicity from a broken instrument...
 
2013-01-07 05:11:05 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: fusillade762: [content8.flixster.com image 360x270]

Can sympathize.

Is this form Electric Dreams???

I think you just won the Internet!


Yup. First thing that came to mind when I thought of "sting instrument smashed by an elevator".
 
2013-01-07 05:12:25 PM
All you farkers complaining about how he should've used a stronger case etc seem to have forgotten that he was never intending to check in the guitar. He was going to hand carry them on board until Delta denied him. It seemed like on his previous flights he had always been allowed to hand carry it on board.
 
2013-01-07 05:13:32 PM

Watubi: God invented cheap Korean knockoffs so you wouldn't have to travel with your rare guitar. Let me tell all you musicians out there, 99.99% of your live audience can't tell the difference between your rare Gibson and the $99 Walmart special. Also, don't wait till you get to the airport to ask about what to do with your guitar and don't skimp on the flight case.


It has been said a few time. It is a now a law that they have to let you take the guitar on board as carry on luggage. As for a flight case? I have seen a $1000 Carlton Case that had a hole punched into it and the guitar by an airline. The difference in a $1000 guitar and a $100 guitar? No maybe average person listening might not, but the guy on stage trying to play a guitar that hums like a florescent light and action so high a hobo could live under the strings knows.
 
2013-01-07 05:59:01 PM

fusillade762: Smoky Dragon Dish: fusillade762: [content8.flixster.com image 360x270]

Can sympathize.

Is this form Electric Dreams???

I think you just won the Internet!

Yup. First thing that came to mind when I thought of "sting instrument smashed by an elevator".


It's near impossible to find a region 1 DVD of that movie.
 
2013-01-07 06:11:57 PM

Bob Falfa: Cyno01: Bob Falfa: Mokmo: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

The case bent a steel beam, yet the guitar is still repairable. I'm not sure there's something more solid he could carry around...

Risks of air travel. He has a $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?
Next time take Greyhound.

If youre trolling, its not working, youre just coming off like you have absolutely zero reading comprehension, why dont you take the rest of the evening to reflect and come back and try again fresh tomorrow.

Not trolling, Just sick and tired of people who take up the entire overhead bin with their crap. I'm quite tall and therefore cannot put my bag under the seat in front of me.


So, your knees bend backwards? Because that's the only way you'd ever get enough leg under the seat to make sure your purse wouldn't fit.

Instruments are regularly lost and destroyed -- not just by improper handling, but the rapid, drastic temperature change of a plane's cargo hold can absolutely ruin delicately glued, finely-fit wooden parts.

Your anecdotal evidence -- that your BIL never had a problem -- means nothing, because those of us with instruments can tell you flying is nothing but problems. I always carry my guitars on, only one flight attendant has ever said anything, and she stashed it for me somewhere else on-plane. Because she knew it'd be farked if they put it down below.

So, stop.
 
2013-01-07 06:12:46 PM
funny, it looks like the original case but that's not what gibson says.

Brown hardshell case with a pink lining was the top-end Gibson case from 1958 to 1961. Then in 1962 the case changed to a black outside with a yellow plush interior.

hopefully, since the article says the only the bridge was damaged, he'll just be able to replace it and not have any damage to the neck or body.
 
2013-01-07 06:19:19 PM
i.imgur.com

"Sorry."
 
2013-01-07 06:22:54 PM

Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.


No dumbass, he tried to buy it an extra seat like every other musician does with their expensive guitars and cellos and such.
 
2013-01-07 06:27:01 PM

Bob Falfa: Pray 4 Mojo: divx88: Why do you dumb farkers not read the article? He wanted to pay for another seat for his instrument.

Really? Where does it say that?

THIS. Article never says that he offered to buy the seat.


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2013-01-07 06:38:42 PM

fusillade762: Smoky Dragon Dish: fusillade762: [content8.flixster.com image 360x270]

Can sympathize.

Is this form Electric Dreams???

I think you just won the Internet!

Yup. First thing that came to mind when I thought of "sting instrument smashed by an elevator".


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2013-01-07 06:40:43 PM

leonel: fusillade762: Smoky Dragon Dish: fusillade762: [content8.flixster.com image 360x270]

Can sympathize.

Is this form Electric Dreams???

I think you just won the Internet!

Yup. First thing that came to mind when I thought of "sting instrument smashed by an elevator".

It's near impossible to find a region 1 DVD of that movie.


I noticed that. Guess it's too much to hope for bluray
 
2013-01-07 06:41:23 PM
Concerning whether or not he offered to buy a seat why don't you ask the guy.

They have a website
 
2013-01-07 06:43:18 PM

badgerb: Concerning whether or not he offered to buy a seat why don't you ask the guy.

They have a website


They also have a facebook page, and TFA links directly to the facebook post about the incident.
 
2013-01-07 07:09:46 PM

pdrake: not have any damage to the neck or body.


Article I read a few days ago said the neck was damaged as well. She won't ever be the same.
 
2013-01-07 07:22:30 PM
yep, too bad. he should've used his calzone case. might not have happened or been as bad.
 
2013-01-07 07:45:05 PM

ccundiff: Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.

No dumbass, he tried to buy it an extra seat like every other musician does with their expensive guitars and cellos and such.


Asked to carry-on. Showed an article. Was denied.

Again... for the afternoon class... words mean things.That's why we choose different verbs for different actions. Look them up if you have to. It might help.

I'm loving the complete jackassery of the douches yelling "RTFA dumbass!" when they clearly don't understand it... even though they read it.

I'm enjoying it so much... it will probably ruin the rest of my week once there's no more douchenozzling in this thread.
 
2013-01-07 07:46:21 PM
350...

not bad. :)
 
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