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2013-01-07 09:24:14 AM

red5ish: I'm curious to know if anybody thinks there is any guitar case in existence that would withstand this particular punishment. I have looked at a lot of "indestructible" travel cases over the years and I don't think any of them would cut it in this instance.
[img203.imageshack.us image 630x420]
What you are looking at is a hydraulic cargo elevator. Even the strongest travel case would be crushed by this thing.
According to the article The case even bent a steel beam.


Elevator do your worst!
ecx.images-amazon.com
Yes, they appear to make them in instrument sizes. If it's good enough for the nuclear football, it's good enough for a classic instrument.
 
2013-01-07 09:24:44 AM

gulogulo: Anyone who believes the passenger was not a fool for his lackadaisical attitude towards flying with his instrument is a fool.

Anyone who believes that mean-old-Delta just wouldn't sell him an extra seat because they hate money so much is also a fool.

Anyone who isn't aware that when the overhead bin space is full that they ask passengers with large baggage to check said baggage is, wait for it...a fool.

Anyone who believes that we should just accept the damage done to our belongings in the care of the airlines is also foolish.

Delta owes this guy money for the repair to his guitar. He shouldn't be so foolish in the future.


I'm detecting large quantities of logic and understanding in this post. I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to ask you to leave this thread.

Do it again, and we kick you off of Fark for good.

/Back to the Herpaderp
 
2013-01-07 09:32:37 AM
as a musician about to pay his annual music instrument insurance premium, i'm getting a kick out of this, etc.
 
2013-01-07 09:35:16 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Flight case dude... look into them.

Cyno01: And fta he tried to buy a seat for it even but was denied.

No he didn't. Apparently you and subby both failed to RTFA...

"While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland."


This, people raging w/o rtfa are plain stupid
 
2013-01-07 09:36:24 AM
well if he actually tried to purchase an additional seat all legit and then they denied him and wrecked it? (a lot of if's there), then I say Delta is FU'ed and owes the dude about 20k.
 
2013-01-07 09:37:11 AM

Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.


But it is federal law now that they have to let you carry on.
 
2013-01-07 09:37:30 AM

utah dude: well if he actually tried to purchase an additional seat all legit and then they denied him and wrecked it? (a lot of if's there), then I say Delta is FU'ed and owes the dude about 20k.


else? dude is FU'ed. thank you for flying the skybus.
 
2013-01-07 09:37:36 AM
Ow My Balls: [i471.photobucket.com image 600x788]

...DTW baggage worker in question?


+1 internets for you sir
 
2013-01-07 09:40:10 AM

NeoBad: I'm very confused here. Most of you are defending this guy, who apparently makes his living playing this guitar, who carries it around in a leather case on commercial airlines.


Pretty much this. If this guitar was that valuable then the onus is on him to put it in a case that will protect it.
 
2013-01-07 09:47:15 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I have a German violin (I won't name the maker here), that I would not trust to anybody. Mostly because I can't afford the insurance policy on it. I checked with Allstate, and they said they wouldn't insure it, then I checked Lloyds of London for shiats and giggles. HOLY CRAP! It would cost more than my car. That fiddle sits next to me everywhere I travel. I don't trust people, and I don't let other people touch it. That fiddle was a gift from a master Luthier. If you try to pull that fiddle out of my hands, I'll sock you in the mouth, while holding on to the case. That fiddle is my baby. I have a crappy Brazilian bow, but that violin is worth a lot of money.


I'm guessing Kloz or Stainer?
 
2013-01-07 09:47:51 AM
Use a bullet proof case.
Insure the shait out of it and the contents.
Then, if anything happens, you have the backing of everyone when you get paid for someone's stupidity. Because it won't be yours.

Fricken God's way of saying you're too stupid to have a nice guitar, bucko.
 
2013-01-07 09:48:04 AM
I saw a guitar case smashed. I didn't see a Gibson in the video.
I didn't read anything. Went straight for the proof
 
2013-01-07 09:49:05 AM
that was an original "california girl" (don't ask) gibson case. not very sturdy.
 
2013-01-07 09:59:13 AM
Bob Fafta, One of the worlds truely great retards.
 
2013-01-07 09:59:16 AM
"their flight was diverted to Rochester, N.Y., due to bad weather, causing them to miss their connection in Philadelphia, Pa. They then drove to Buffalo, N.Y., to hop on a plane destined for Detroit, Mich."

That guitar committed suicide. I would too if I had to travel through those 3 cities.
 
2013-01-07 10:00:30 AM
I'm surprised that I seem to be in before a Fender fanboi saying "nothing of value was lost"
 
2013-01-07 10:02:52 AM

Bob Falfa: red5ish: Bob Falfa: Serious Black: ITT: Mr. Alfalfa thinks professional musicians don't know how to travel with their musical instruments.

Not at all. I have quite a few relatives and friends who make their living as musicians. I don't know a single one who has had an instrument crushed by an airline. They all have their gear shipped ahead and/or invest in proper cases and/or don't travel with $10,000 instruments. Simple as that.

This was a rare and unfortunate event, but I still maintain that he could have been traveling with a Stanley Tool Box and that elevator would have crushed it. The airline screwed up and his instrument was broken. Really you would have a hard time finding a machine better suited to crushing things than a hydraulic cargo elevator. I guess a hydraulic car crusher at a wrecking yard would be better, but the elevator will do the job.

If you can't afford to lose it, don't take it on a commercial flight.


You're sooo close now. Just one more step: Why shouldn't you take it on a commerical flight?
Answer: Because airlines suck at almost everything they're supposed to do. But just because everyone knows that fact, it doesn't mean they have a free pass to fark up without consequences.

Congratulations, you're now on the same side as the majority of the thread. The problem is it took you about 100 posts to get there. Next time sit quitely and try to figure stuff out in your head before you start blabbing.
 
2013-01-07 10:09:29 AM

People_are_Idiots: Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.

It is mentioned there's also the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, which he quoted and was denied, where he pays for an extra seat, the airline must comply. Your comment is invalid because the airline refused to follow -this- law. You know who else breaks guitars? United.


Sec. 41724. Musical instruments

'(a) In General-

'(1) SMALL INSTRUMENTS AS CARRY-ON BAGGAGE- An air carrier providing air transportation shall permit a passenger to carry a violin, guitar, or other musical instrument in the aircraft cabin, without charging the passenger a fee in addition to any standard fee that carrier may require for comparable carry-on baggage, if--

'(A) the instrument can be stowed safely in a suitable baggage compartment in the aircraft cabin or under a passenger seat, in accordance with the requirements for carriage of carry-on baggage or cargo established by the Administrator; and

'(B) there is space for such stowage at the time the passenger boards the aircraft.

So:

1. They cannot charge a fee.
2. They still don't have to allow the instrument on board if there is insufficient room for it.

The whole "buy an extra ticket" provision only applies to larger instruments.
 
2013-01-07 10:09:45 AM

OgreMagi: Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.

Let us repeat, since you are obviously suffering from serious brain damage.  Federal law allows musicians to buy an extra seat for a musical instrument.  He attempted to do so, the airline refused.

Let's repeat for the slow (that would be you).  The airline ignored a federal law that is meant to protect valuable instruments, then caused serious damage to the instrument.  The exact thing the law is supposed to prevent.

So who's the idiot, you farking idiot?


The article didn't specify why he was refused. It's possible that there were no available seats. He chose to fly anyway.
 
2013-01-07 10:18:14 AM
Remember, this is what you will find working at the airport:

i48.tinypic.com

plan accordingly.
 
2013-01-07 10:20:08 AM

Helena Handbasket: OgreMagi: Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.

Let us repeat, since you are obviously suffering from serious brain damage.  Federal law allows musicians to buy an extra seat for a musical instrument.  He attempted to do so, the airline refused.

Let's repeat for the slow (that would be you).  The airline ignored a federal law that is meant to protect valuable instruments, then caused serious damage to the instrument.  The exact thing the law is supposed to prevent.

So who's the idiot, you farking idiot?

The article didn't specify why he was refused. It's possible that there were no available seats. He chose to fly anyway.


Can anyone please find the segment of the article that states he tried to buy a ticket for his guitar? I will give you a hint, you can't, because it is not there.

The article has two sentences. One that states he asked to place his guitar in an available seat (no indication that this would have been a seat he paid for), another sentence stated that he referenced a law that allowed musicians to bring their instruments on board, even allowing them to buy a ticket for them.

This is like saying the sentence 'Give me food, the law says you have to sell me food' is the same as 'Sell me food, the law says you have to sell me food'.
 
2013-01-07 10:21:41 AM

Lochsteppe: ecmoRandomNumbers: I have a German violin (I won't name the maker here), that I would not trust to anybody. Mostly because I can't afford the insurance policy on it. I checked with Allstate, and they said they wouldn't insure it, then I checked Lloyds of London for shiats and giggles. HOLY CRAP! It would cost more than my car. That fiddle sits next to me everywhere I travel. I don't trust people, and I don't let other people touch it. That fiddle was a gift from a master Luthier. If you try to pull that fiddle out of my hands, I'll sock you in the mouth, while holding on to the case. That fiddle is my baby. I have a crappy Brazilian bow, but that violin is worth a lot of money.

Was his name Lex, by any chance?


When no one was looking, ecmoRandomNumbers took forty violins. He took 40 violins.
That's as many as four tens.
And that's terrible.
 
2013-01-07 10:26:43 AM
was he playing for the Queen? no? bring a different guitar, fancy pants. it doesn't sound like he tried to buy a ticket, sounds like he cited the law, and tried to squeak by via agent ignorance to bring his case on for free. sounds like when the agent said, 'that indeed is the law, you can purchase a ticket for your gee-tar now, for 5x's the cost of your ticket, last minute tickets are expensive, eh?' and he balked. they do owe him for damages, but he isn't totally in the clear, he took his chances and is still trying to get the money for the full repair back. that is why he is being so cool about it...i wish him the best, this does suck for him. at leadt it can be fixed.
 
2013-01-07 10:26:50 AM

me texan: Ok, the way I read the story was that he just tried to get them to let him carry the guitar on, and cited the congressional act to help his case - but didn't go so far as to buy a ticket.  If that's the case, he's an idiot for leaving a $10K instrument in the hands of the baggage monkeys.  It's still their fault it was mangled in the elevator, but he should have known better than to leave itin their care.


That sounds like what really happened.
 
2013-01-07 10:27:25 AM

Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

How?


God damn you are not just an idiot, but a farking master idiot. GO YOU!
 
2013-01-07 10:27:52 AM
How does this guy not have his own plane with all his Hanukkah-themed rock band money?
 
2013-01-07 10:30:46 AM

LemSkroob: Remember, this is what you will find working at the airport:

[i48.tinypic.com image 400x577]

plan accordingly.


My Cool Story Bro:
I was waiting on my plane to board and looking out the window when something moving caught my Eye. I didn't see exactly what it was until the third time. At the top of the conveyor loading the plane, luggage was falling out of the 737 cargo hold about 20' to the tarmac. I now pack accordingly.

Previous to that I flew a case of wine when moving to a new city (Pre-9-11 checked baggage fees). It was just the cardboard case with the airlines Fragile stickers. I think 9 of the 12 bottles arrived. Fortunately it was $12 a bottle wine that I only took because I was allowed a second checked bag.
 
2013-01-07 10:32:42 AM
If Delta's looking for a way to make Guster whole -- here it is. Feature his band and friends' band on the next round of commercials, after they find him a real replacement.
 
2013-01-07 10:36:57 AM

zedster: I saw them in concert at a Jewish youth group event once, I love Gusters older stuff so was kind of cool to get a little of the Guster experience


BitwiseShift: If Delta's looking for a way to make Guster whole -- here it is. Feature his band and friends' band on the next round of commercials, after they find him a real replacement.


Guster's appearance on Live from Darryl's House
 
2013-01-07 10:44:50 AM
what was he flying delta??
seriously
 
2013-01-07 10:46:08 AM

fusillade762: [content8.flixster.com image 360x270]

Can sympathize.


Is this form Electric Dreams???

I think you just won the Internet!
 
2013-01-07 10:46:53 AM

vudukungfu: Use a bullet proof case.
Insure the shait out of it and the contents.
Then, if anything happens, you have the backing of everyone when you get paid for someone's stupidity. Because it won't be yours.

Fricken God's way of saying you're too stupid to have a nice guitar, bucko.


I also was given a suggestion for traveling with tools that seems legit, though I haven't tried it. Travel with a gun. The hard case must be locked, and you must be the only one with the key. TSA will search the case in front of you, and you get to lock it then no one can open that bag until you pick it up. Get a cheap single shot, or even a broken down flintlock if you don't like guns for your luggage.

At least at that point the TSA apes can't pocket anything from your luggage, they need to make off with the whole case.
 
2013-01-07 10:48:47 AM

Naked Singularity: You know, I'm not going to comment about whether or not this guy should have invested in an indestructable case or not, but I'm going to have to ask:

What's with the idea that we should *expect* that our luggage should risk being destroyed in transit?

Are we saying that letting a bunch of baggage handlers (and the interim mechanical systems) damage our property is a legitimately expected course of action?

Regardless of how we put these items up for travel, isn't the default expectation the one where those personnel charged with handling them are presumed to be accountable for the intact delivery of said items?

Of all of the rhetoric about how this guy should have handled this, why aren't we talking about why it seems to be okay that the normal handling process damages what is being shipped?

Are you really arguing that it's okay for the airline to damage luggage (under any circumstance), and that the onus is always on the traveler to prevent it?
I'm of the opinion that when we pay a provider to ship our items (whether checked or not), it's on them to be held accountable for the delivery of those items.

Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, but it seems to me that some among the posters here are trying to defend the idea that it's okay for the airline to mishandle our luggage.


Well, they acknowledge its inevitability ... but it shouldn't be expected.

Unfortunately the airline economy is to blame here. What is needed is more baggage handlers that can double up and get a plane loaded & unloaded quickly without smashing anything. But with air travel becoming worse and more expensive, the airlines will cut costs everywhere, including baggage handlers.

I would like to see positive change in this regard, however it's going to mean an almost ground-up overhaul of the air travel industry. Being a die-hard capitalist, I'd say they could start by getting the state out of their business.
 
2013-01-07 10:51:51 AM

Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.


FTA: He wanted to by a ticket for the guitar. But, Delta said no.

You sound like you ate a lot of paste in second grade.
 
2013-01-07 10:54:28 AM
A guy I used to work with years ago used to pack his music cases in other cases. I always thought it ws kind of funny and would tease him. He showed me what happend to a horn of his when it was "secured" once. I never teased him after that. He would also ship his things UPS or FedEx and insurethe fark out of them.
 
2013-01-07 10:55:23 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Two things I learned in this thread:

1) Don't bring an instrument into an airport under any circumstances.
2) Bob Falfa was beat up by a gang of musicians when he was a kid.


and 3) if he ever encounters musicians on a commercial flight, it will probably happen again.

/I have a few traveling-saxophone stories I could tell
//but who gives a fark about saxophones?
 
2013-01-07 10:56:03 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Flab: Did anyone read TFA?

I did!

If the airline was honoring his ticket to get him to his destination... he would have already had the ticket (had he bought one like he should have).

If he booked the flight and paid for it after landing in Rochester (see, i did read it)... he could have bought a ticket then.

If the flight from buffalo was fully booked and didn't have a seat for his guitar... well... too late to do anything since he left home with the guitar in it's lightweight, non ATA approved case. Rolling the dice at that point.


Total conjecture on my part:  Since they drove from Rochester to Buffalo to catch a flight to Detroit to make it to Florida on time, I would guess no airline was honoring any tickets he may have had, and the band was improvising at that point.

It still does not change the fact that he should have used a sturdier case.

[CSB]
10 years ago, I was working for an airline's IT supplier, and we were tired of having the baggage crews destroying servers (the airline wouldn't pay for Fedex-like shipping and said they would handle shipping themselves) so we had their millwrights build custom shipping crates built to the exact spec of the server models we had at the time, since the vendor's cardboard / styrofoam boxes were obviously not good enough.

The ratio of DOA servers didn't change all that much.  We had one of the totalled server (cracked Mobo, bent frame) sent to the Senior Director responsible for the baggage handlers to show him how bad his guys were at handling fragile parts.  Even the shipping container's steel frame was bent out of shape and one of the side had been punctured by something very sharp and hard.

From that day on, computer parts were FEDEXed to their intended location.
[/CSB]
 
2013-01-07 11:01:17 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Two things I learned in this thread:

1) Don't bring an instrument into an airport under any circumstances.
2) Bob Falfa was beat up by a gang of Jewish musicians when he was a kid.


Ok, now everybody is wondering why I'm laughing at my desk.

/FIFY
 
2013-01-07 11:05:49 AM
Remember folks there is a reason they call bag boys "Throwers".
 
2013-01-07 11:08:05 AM
At least it wasn't a Fender. That would be a REAL tragedy. (I hate Gibson purists, love the guitars though)
 
2013-01-07 11:09:52 AM
Flab: Pray 4 Mojo: Flab: Did anyone read TFA?

I did!

If the airline was honoring his ticket to get him to his destination... he would have already had the ticket (had he bought one like he should have).

If he booked the flight and paid for it after landing in Rochester (see, i did read it)... he could have bought a ticket then.

If the flight from buffalo was fully booked and didn't have a seat for his guitar... well... too late to do anything since he left home with the guitar in it's lightweight, non ATA approved case. Rolling the dice at that point.

Total conjecture on my part:  Since they drove from Rochester to Buffalo to catch a flight to Detroit to make it to Florida on time, I would guess no airline was honoring any tickets he may have had, and the band was improvising at that point.

It still does not change the fact that he should have used a sturdier case.

[CSB]
10 years ago, I was working for an airline's IT supplier, and we were tired of having the baggage crews destroying servers (the airline wouldn't pay for Fedex-like shipping and said they would handle shipping themselves) so we had their millwrights build custom shipping crates built to the exact spec of the server models we had at the time, since the vendor's cardboard / styrofoam boxes were obviously not good enough.

The ratio of DOA servers didn't change all that much.  We had one of the totalled server (cracked Mobo, bent frame) sent to the Senior Director responsible for the baggage handlers to show him how bad his guys were at handling fragile parts.  Even the shipping container's steel frame was bent out of shape and one of the side had been punctured by something very sharp and hard.

From that day on, computer parts were FEDEXed to their intended location.
[/CSB]


Well I work for a company that Fed Ex subcontracts out stuff going to US post offices to, and you would not believe how bad shiat gets FUBARed on the fed ex truck before it gets unloaded at out warehouse (much less any damage it takes going from the fed ex truck to our truck or our truck to the post office) Anything you can tell me a package or baggage handler has farked up I'll believe it.
 
2013-01-07 11:10:47 AM

brian7dog: Bob Falfa: FTFA:
While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland.

Also, I'm going to board a flight with my vintage chopsticks that I say are worth $5,000. I mean, I don't have any proof of that or any insurance whatsoever, but I said so. That's good, right?

Link


Thanks for the link,tried to find comparison to my 1939 Epiphone Triumph. Some were very close.
 
2013-01-07 11:13:22 AM

Cataholic: People_are_Idiots: Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.

It is mentioned there's also the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, which he quoted and was denied, where he pays for an extra seat, the airline must comply. Your comment is invalid because the airline refused to follow -this- law. You know who else breaks guitars? United.

Sec. 41724. Musical instruments

'(a) In General-

'(1) SMALL INSTRUMENTS AS CARRY-ON BAGGAGE- An air carrier providing air transportation shall permit a passenger to carry a violin, guitar, or other musical instrument in the aircraft cabin, without charging the passenger a fee in addition to any standard fee that carrier may require for comparable carry-on baggage, if--

'(A) the instrument can be stowed safely in a suitable baggage compartment in the aircraft cabin or under a passenger seat, in accordance with the requirements for carriage of carry-on baggage or cargo established by the Administrator; and

'(B) there is space for such stowage at the time the passenger boards the aircraft.

So:

1. They cannot charge a fee.
2. They still don't have to allow the instrument on board if there is insufficient room for it.

The whole "buy an extra ticket" provision only applies to larger instruments.


Uhm, and how many times have you tried carrying a 3-4 foot long item as carry-on? I had issues with my 1-2 foot laptop turned off in a protective bag, and it's the only carry-on. Also, while this can easily work for flutes/clarinets/trumpets, most airlines (especially puddle-jumpers) are becoming increasingly adamant you must check your instrument in if it's over a certain size. On the puddle-jumpers it's ok (you can watch them put the instrument away), but on larger planes... you best has packed your love right.
 
2013-01-07 11:18:46 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.

FTA: He wanted to by a ticket for the guitar. But, Delta said no.

You sound like you ate a lot of paste in second grade.


Please find the exact words in the article that says this. The article does not ever say that he tried to buy a ticket.
 
2013-01-07 11:19:46 AM
I hate stories like this. As a musician, and a world traveller, I am frequently flying across the pond and to the asias. I feel bad for the guy, but moat airline employees and most TSA employees are ignorant. They have no clue about recent laws that protect you or prevent these types of gross mis-carriages of personal property.
My point: I play the double bass, the real bass, not the bastard bass prevelent in popular musix, but the big violin. It usuakly takes me checking into fed-ex, or another cargo carrier a week or more to get the instrumeny weighed and checked for flight, fully preped with flight case, bridge removed, and extra insurance. Normally, it's not worth the hassle, and I leave my expensive instruments at home, and just rent sometging where ever I go.
Pro tip: most instrument shops, and for that matter, sound/stage companies can get you pretty decent instruments, for reasonable amounts. You just have to ask, and plan ahead.
Musician has for to long been associated with slacker.
 
2013-01-07 11:21:35 AM
The guy is a bit of a moron for going on gigs around with a guitar THAT expensive (I NEVER go to gigs with my good bass) and not putting it a strong travel case...

HOWEVER, I am not sure that ANY case would have been of much protection against an elevator (could be wrong) and it is clear to me that the airline managed it like shiat and the guy has a base to complain. I mean, an airline company still should handle your belongings properly and this is clearly not doing it... at least in my opinion.
 
2013-01-07 11:21:50 AM
"Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments. But he was denied."

"The guitar itself was pinned between two beams and took workers an hour to retrieve it. It sustained damage to the bridge, neck and tail that would cost an estimated $1,980. But so far, Schneider says, Delta has given him the 'runaround.'"

/a couple of people in this thread are retarded... or 10/10 trolls based on persistence.
 
2013-01-07 11:26:07 AM

Oldiron_79: Flab: Pray 4 Mojo: Flab: Did anyone read TFA?

I did!

If the airline was honoring his ticket to get him to his destination... he would have already had the ticket (had he bought one like he should have).

If he booked the flight and paid for it after landing in Rochester (see, i did read it)... he could have bought a ticket then.

If the flight from buffalo was fully booked and didn't have a seat for his guitar... well... too late to do anything since he left home with the guitar in it's lightweight, non ATA approved case. Rolling the dice at that point.

Total conjecture on my part:  Since they drove from Rochester to Buffalo to catch a flight to Detroit to make it to Florida on time, I would guess no airline was honoring any tickets he may have had, and the band was improvising at that point.

It still does not change the fact that he should have used a sturdier case.

[CSB]
10 years ago, I was working for an airline's IT supplier, and we were tired of having the baggage crews destroying servers (the airline wouldn't pay for Fedex-like shipping and said they would handle shipping themselves) so we had their millwrights build custom shipping crates built to the exact spec of the server models we had at the time, since the vendor's cardboard / styrofoam boxes were obviously not good enough.

The ratio of DOA servers didn't change all that much.  We had one of the totalled server (cracked Mobo, bent frame) sent to the Senior Director responsible for the baggage handlers to show him how bad his guys were at handling fragile parts.  Even the shipping container's steel frame was bent out of shape and one of the side had been punctured by something very sharp and hard.

From that day on, computer parts were FEDEXed to their intended location.
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Well I work for a company that Fed Ex subcontracts out stuff going to US post offices to, and you would not believe how bad shiat gets FUBARed on the fed ex truck before it gets unloaded at out warehouse (much less any dama ...


The main difference between Fed Ex and the airline's baggage crew, was not the quality of the service, but that stuff sent via Fed Ex was insured, whereas stuff sent via the airline itself would come out the airline's pockets.
 
2013-01-07 11:27:46 AM

D135: "Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments. But he was denied."

"The guitar itself was pinned between two beams and took workers an hour to retrieve it. It sustained damage to the bridge, neck and tail that would cost an estimated $1,980. But so far, Schneider says, Delta has given him the 'runaround.'"

/a couple of people in this thread are retarded... or 10/10 trolls based on persistence.


Here is the quoted part in context of the article.

While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland.

"I've always carried it on," Schneider, who also tours as the lead singer of the hockey-themed rock group the Zambonis, told Yahoo News. "Never been a problem before."

Schneider says he even showed them a link to a story about Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments.

But he was denied.


So, from the article, the action that was denied was not purchasing another ticket, which there was indication he tried, but being allowed to carry on the guitar.

No one is saying that Delta is not responsible for the damage, just that the idea that Delta denied him the chance to buy a second ticket is probably not accurate. The article is ambiguous on that point.
 
2013-01-07 11:29:06 AM
As some have already pointed out, the Delta link states you can buy a full-fare ticket for your instrument.
And I know that's true.

But... it used to be that you could get a tkt for your cello (for ex) for a full-fare *childs* ticket price.
Now airlines are strapped for cash... are they making musicians pay a full-fare *adult* ticket for their instrument?

/used to be 10% of the price of a full-fare ticket
//haven't flown with my instrument in years
 
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