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2013-01-07 03:31:58 AM  

Diarrhea Anne Frank: Man, what a surprise. Some loser with a neck wattle full of stupid has taken over a thread on Fark.


From the jackass with no photo in their profile...........................................
 
2013-01-07 03:32:16 AM  
OptimusHime:

At no point does it state that he offered to buy a seat. He merely points out that he is allowed to buy a seat.

See, on that I agree. We don't know what the seat availability was or whether or not he specifically offered to buy a seat. We just know that he showed the rules and that, by testimonial, they said "No." at the end of that conversation. So whether he actually offered to pay money for a seat right then and there, or whether he wasn't even offered the chance, is unknown.

Where everyone here treats those as known elements, one way or the other, in order to cast judgement on the situation... that's where I have more of a problem. But I'm not the opinion police...


This. And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.
 
2013-01-07 03:32:49 AM  
PS. the hilarious black and white thinking component is always a dead give away. Because these people are relatively low intelligence and low adaptability they take refuge in total adherence to rule based systems.
 
2013-01-07 03:33:25 AM  

BlackMtnMan: It didn't LOOK Jewish.


On the plus side... I bet the guy knows lots of good lawyers.
 
2013-01-07 03:34:03 AM  
Your mom plays an instrument.
champagnemanagement.com
 
2013-01-07 03:35:45 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: OptimusHime:

At no point does it state that he offered to buy a seat. He merely points out that he is allowed to buy a seat.

See, on that I agree. We don't know what the seat availability was or whether or not he specifically offered to buy a seat. We just know that he showed the rules and that, by testimonial, they said "No." at the end of that conversation. So whether he actually offered to pay money for a seat right then and there, or whether he wasn't even offered the chance, is unknown.

Where everyone here treats those as known elements, one way or the other, in order to cast judgement on the situation... that's where I have more of a problem. But I'm not the opinion police...

This. And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.


Yeah, on this point I'm thoroughly in agreement, at least from my own perspective. If I had valued an item that highly, I'd go beyond assuming space would just be made for me.

In the end, life is hard. If he hadn't been lulled into an "everything will end up all right" mentality and the employees had been just a bit more aware or consumer friendly, all could have been avoided. Sometimes a string of unlucky moments ends in a pretty shiatty finale for everyone. If that's a new lesson, one has led a blessed life...
 
2013-01-07 03:36:57 AM  

Bob Falfa: Diarrhea Anne Frank: Man, what a surprise. Some loser with a neck wattle full of stupid has taken over a thread on Fark.

From the jackass with no photo in their profile...........................................


Awww, how did you know I was talking about you?
 
2013-01-07 03:37:49 AM  

Bob Falfa: FTFA:
While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland.

Also, I'm going to board a flight with my vintage chopsticks that I say are worth $5,000. I mean, I don't have any proof of that or any insurance whatsoever, but I said so. That's good, right?


Actually it's value is easily verified. They have the carcass, and the serial number to work with.
That guitar is worth more than he stated. 1965 ES335s, generally go for $12k, to $15k.
He said it was only worth $10k.

As to the case, it's not a $100 case. It's the original case, which is worth about $400-$600, which makes him even goofier, because a proper flight case would have cost around $200.

Yes, rare guitars are expensive. If you look on Ebay, you can see just guitar necks, without any guitar body, tuners, pickups, no nothing, going for $4,000.
 
2013-01-07 03:38:27 AM  

Tigger: I find it an amusing study in human stupidity.

I like how, in his head, he is convinced that he alone is right and no one else gets it. He probably thinks of himself as a sort of persecuted genius like Galileo or Copernicus. The only one to see the One True Answer.

Of course a corollary to being this stupid is, of course, that it never occurs to them that the likelihood of them just being a totally pointless farkwit is massively higher.

Brilliantly though, they will literally almost never give up.


That's okay... fun is fun wherever you find it...

Me? I'm enjoying that ya'll have been trolled by a yahoo article... and subby. And that you feel so good about being "right" that your euphoria is driving you to call people names.

Proud of yourself?
 
2013-01-07 03:38:38 AM  
Tigger:
I find it an amusing study in human stupidity.
I like how, in his head, he is convinced that he alone is right and no one else gets it. He probably thinks of himself as a sort of persecuted genius like Galileo or Copernicus. The only one to see the One True Answer.
Of course a corollary to being this stupid is, of course, that it never occurs to them that the likelihood of them just being a totally pointless farkwit is massively higher.
Brilliantly though, they will literally almost never give up.


There are several posters here who agree with Bob Falfa. I may not agree with his style, but it doesn't make him wrong.

I'll say it again:


Do we know why he was denied? Perhaps the flight was full? Perhaps he was trying to buy a ticket at the farking gate? Were they supposed to hold the flight for him because he didn't plan ahead?

It's hard to have sympathy for someone who is too cheap to buy a travel case, and too cheap to buy a ticket for his expensive guitar in the first place. Seriously, if the guitar is that valuable why didn't he buy a ticket for it?
 
2013-01-07 03:39:19 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.


Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.
 
2013-01-07 03:41:01 AM  

red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.


Still no excuse for not traveling with a proper case.
 
2013-01-07 03:41:20 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Tigger:
I find it an amusing study in human stupidity.
I like how, in his head, he is convinced that he alone is right and no one else gets it. He probably thinks of himself as a sort of persecuted genius like Galileo or Copernicus. The only one to see the One True Answer.
Of course a corollary to being this stupid is, of course, that it never occurs to them that the likelihood of them just being a totally pointless farkwit is massively higher.
Brilliantly though, they will literally almost never give up.

There are several posters here who agree with Bob Falfa. I may not agree with his style, but it doesn't make him wrong.

I'll say it again:


Do we know why he was denied? Perhaps the flight was full? Perhaps he was trying to buy a ticket at the farking gate? Were they supposed to hold the flight for him because he didn't plan ahead?

It's hard to have sympathy for someone who is too cheap to buy a travel case, and too cheap to buy a ticket for his expensive guitar in the first place. Seriously, if the guitar is that valuable why didn't he buy a ticket for it?


It's not the rightness or wrongness.

It's the hilarious gibberish accompanying it.

My favorite part was "buy a case strong enough that it wouldn't be crushed by an elevator".
 
2013-01-07 03:41:27 AM  

OptimusHime: Runs_With_Scissors_: OptimusHime:

At no point does it state that he offered to buy a seat. He merely points out that he is allowed to buy a seat.

See, on that I agree. We don't know what the seat availability was or whether or not he specifically offered to buy a seat. We just know that he showed the rules and that, by testimonial, they said "No." at the end of that conversation. So whether he actually offered to pay money for a seat right then and there, or whether he wasn't even offered the chance, is unknown.

Where everyone here treats those as known elements, one way or the other, in order to cast judgement on the situation... that's where I have more of a problem. But I'm not the opinion police...

This. And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Yeah, on this point I'm thoroughly in agreement, at least from my own perspective. If I had valued an item that highly, I'd go beyond assuming space would just be made for me.

In the end, life is hard. If he hadn't been lulled into an "everything will end up all right" mentality and the employees had been just a bit more aware or consumer friendly, all could have been avoided. Sometimes a string of unlucky moments ends in a pretty shiatty finale for everyone. If that's a new lesson, one has led a blessed life...


Hear, hear.
 
2013-01-07 03:41:27 AM  
ITT: Mr. Alfalfa thinks professional musicians don't know how to travel with their musical instruments.
 
2013-01-07 03:43:21 AM  

Bob Falfa: red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.

Still no excuse for not traveling with a proper case.


What would you call a proper case? And what would it have been able to do against a hydraulic-powered elevator that was mangled by the case that was used in this scenario?
 
2013-01-07 03:44:10 AM  

red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.


So when did he buy the ticket from Buffalo to Florida? At the jetway in Buffalo? How did he get through security without a ticket?
 
2013-01-07 03:45:51 AM  

red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.


Which I did. I don't think you understand what I said. He should have purchased a ticket for his guitar for the entire flight. That way, even if a flight is diverted the instrument has a seat. He should have planned ahead. He shouldn't have been so cheap.
 
2013-01-07 03:45:58 AM  

Serious Black: ITT: Mr. Alfalfa thinks professional musicians don't know how to travel with their musical instruments.


Not at all. I have quite a few relatives and friends who make their living as musicians. I don't know a single one who has had an instrument crushed by an airline. They all have their gear shipped ahead and/or invest in proper cases and/or don't travel with $10,000 instruments. Simple as that.
 
2013-01-07 03:46:22 AM  

optikeye: Why in the fark did he use a soft case for a valuable instrument for air travel?

He could have avoid all this by having a simple hard case to transport the thing.
Not to say the airline wasn't at fault for some of this....but fark, putting something like that in a case that has same protection level of burlap sack is dumb.


Dude had a hard case. The case was rugged enough that it bent a STEEL FARKING BEAM in the elevator.

Delta didn't just drop the ball on this one. They dropped it, ran over it, and kicked it in the gutter.
 
2013-01-07 03:46:28 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: OptimusHime: Runs_With_Scissors_: OptimusHime:

At no point does it state that he offered to buy a seat. He merely points out that he is allowed to buy a seat.

See, on that I agree. We don't know what the seat availability was or whether or not he specifically offered to buy a seat. We just know that he showed the rules and that, by testimonial, they said "No." at the end of that conversation. So whether he actually offered to pay money for a seat right then and there, or whether he wasn't even offered the chance, is unknown.

Where everyone here treats those as known elements, one way or the other, in order to cast judgement on the situation... that's where I have more of a problem. But I'm not the opinion police...

This. And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Yeah, on this point I'm thoroughly in agreement, at least from my own perspective. If I had valued an item that highly, I'd go beyond assuming space would just be made for me.

In the end, life is hard. If he hadn't been lulled into an "everything will end up all right" mentality and the employees had been just a bit more aware or consumer friendly, all could have been avoided. Sometimes a string of unlucky moments ends in a pretty shiatty finale for everyone. If that's a new lesson, one has led a blessed life...

Hear, hear.


I raise a glass to you sir!
 
2013-01-07 03:46:44 AM  

Bob Falfa: red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.

Still no excuse for not traveling with a proper case.


I don't think there is any case made that would have withstood being crushed by a hydraulic cargo elevator. Those things don't stop until they reach the top and will snap a two by four like a twig.
 
2013-01-07 03:47:14 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.

Which I did. I don't think you understand what I said. He should have purchased a ticket for his guitar for the entire flight. That way, even if a flight is diverted the instrument has a seat. He should have planned ahead. He shouldn't have been so cheap.


As i said before, he has an (allegedly) $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?
 
2013-01-07 03:48:25 AM  
The case in question:
www.eddievegas.com
www.eddievegas.com
I mispoke. Those cases don't go for $600.
This one, is being offered at $1500.

It's not a "cheap" case, it's just the WRONG case for the situation.
 
2013-01-07 03:48:26 AM  

red5ish: Bob Falfa: red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.

Still no excuse for not traveling with a proper case.

I don't think there is any case made that would have withstood being crushed by a hydraulic cargo elevator. Those things don't stop until they reach the top and will snap a two by four like a twig.


Then don't travel with an instrument you can't afford to lose.
 
2013-01-07 03:49:09 AM  

Serious Black: What would you call a proper case? And what would it have been able to do against a hydraulic-powered elevator that was mangled by the case that was used in this scenario?


Odds are good that a "proper" case would not have hung up in the elevator because of its shape and construction... but I play drums... so WTF do I know.
 
2013-01-07 03:49:26 AM  

Tigger: Runs_With_Scissors_: Tigger:
I find it an amusing study in human stupidity.
I like how, in his head, he is convinced that he alone is right and no one else gets it. He probably thinks of himself as a sort of persecuted genius like Galileo or Copernicus. The only one to see the One True Answer.
Of course a corollary to being this stupid is, of course, that it never occurs to them that the likelihood of them just being a totally pointless farkwit is massively higher.
Brilliantly though, they will literally almost never give up.

There are several posters here who agree with Bob Falfa. I may not agree with his style, but it doesn't make him wrong.

I'll say it again:


Do we know why he was denied? Perhaps the flight was full? Perhaps he was trying to buy a ticket at the farking gate? Were they supposed to hold the flight for him because he didn't plan ahead?

It's hard to have sympathy for someone who is too cheap to buy a travel case, and too cheap to buy a ticket for his expensive guitar in the first place. Seriously, if the guitar is that valuable why didn't he buy a ticket for it?

It's not the rightness or wrongness.

It's the hilarious gibberish accompanying it.

My favorite part was "buy a case strong enough that it wouldn't be crushed by an elevator"


I don't think that's what he said. In fact, if the guitar was traveling in a better case it might not slipped between the elevat.or floor and the shaft
 
2013-01-07 03:52:13 AM  

Bob Falfa: Runs_With_Scissors_: red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.

Which I did. I don't think you understand what I said. He should have purchased a ticket for his guitar for the entire flight. That way, even if a flight is diverted the instrument has a seat. He should have planned ahead. He shouldn't have been so cheap.

As i said before, he has an (allegedly) $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?


My Maribel is worth about $2,500, and I don't have nearly enough money to fly first class everywhere I go.
 
2013-01-07 03:52:39 AM  

digitalrain: optikeye: Why in the fark did he use a soft case for a valuable instrument for air travel?

He could have avoid all this by having a simple hard case to transport the thing.
Not to say the airline wasn't at fault for some of this....but fark, putting something like that in a case that has same protection level of burlap sack is dumb.

Dude had a hard case. The case was rugged enough that it bent a STEEL FARKING BEAM in the elevator.

Delta didn't just drop the ball on this one. They dropped it, ran over it, and kicked it in the gutter.

.
No. He didn't. He was travelling with an original case. Look at the pics upthread of what he should have been transporting his guitar in. In a seat with a ticket for the entire flight.
 
2013-01-07 03:52:56 AM  

TommyymmoT: The case in question:
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
I mispoke. Those cases don't go for $600.
This one, is being offered at $1500.

It's not a "cheap" case, it's just the WRONG case for the situation.


The case for my sunglasses is sturdier than that.
If I had a $10,00 guitar, it would travel in this:
www.drumza.com
Also, I wouldn't travel with something that valuable.
 
2013-01-07 03:54:39 AM  

FormlessOne: Then you missed the point where he asked to buy a ticket, and was denied. From the article:


This is what I'm figuring. He didn't have it in a Pellican type case because that would be too big to fit into an overhead bin. He was being cheap, hoping not to have to buy a seat. Hoping he'd be allowed to put it in the overhead bin. So he used a regular case.

If he carried it in a the sort of large, padded, hard case that could have protected it from that damage, he'd have to buy a seat every single leg of every single flight - expensive!

Airline to blame? Absolutely. Anyone flying with something that fragile should know rule #1 of airline baggage. Never trust the throwers. They can break anything. Why didn't they let him buy a seat? Probably because it was full, probably because the airline serves passengers before cargo. So his best choice of action would have been to wait for a flight that wasn't full, a flight that would have allowed him to store his guitar in the cabin, either in the overhead bin or in a purchased seat.

This probably isn't the first time he's risked his guitar with the throwers, he was playing the odds, he lot.
 
2013-01-07 03:54:41 AM  

digitalrain: optikeye: Why in the fark did he use a soft case for a valuable instrument for air travel?

He could have avoid all this by having a simple hard case to transport the thing.
Not to say the airline wasn't at fault for some of this....but fark, putting something like that in a case that has same protection level of burlap sack is dumb.

Dude had a hard case. The case was rugged enough that it bent a STEEL FARKING BEAM in the elevator.

Delta didn't just drop the ball on this one. They dropped it, ran over it, and kicked it in the gutter.


I don't think anyone here is defending Delta... or saying they shouldn't compensate the guy. That doesn't defend this guys epic stupidity though. And it is truly epic stupidity.
 
2013-01-07 03:55:25 AM  
As an airport employee, I can say with confidence that baggage handlers sling bags around like giant hunks of meat.
 
2013-01-07 03:55:37 AM  

Bob Falfa: TommyymmoT: The case in question:
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
I mispoke. Those cases don't go for $600.
This one, is being offered at $1500.

It's not a "cheap" case, it's just the WRONG case for the situation.

The case for my sunglasses is sturdier than that.
If I had a $10,00 guitar, it would travel in this:
[www.drumza.com image 250x250]
Also, I wouldn't travel with something that valuable.


I posted the same picture earlier in the thread.
The case in your picture (and mine) is currently the preferred case to use, as it has TSA approved locks.
 
2013-01-07 03:56:28 AM  
You know.. I was waiting at the terminal in Charlotte waiting on my connecting flight once and I was watching the little carts dart back and forth between planes with luggage on them and I saw 3-4 pieces of luggage fall off one of the carts and onto the tarmac.. Not one person walking around loading the farking planes stopped the driver and picked up the luggage to make sure it made its flight.. Lazy farkers... Feel sorry for the people that never got their belongings on behalf of someones incompetence..

/Airlines are the devil..
 
2013-01-07 03:56:47 AM  
I've flown around the world with musicians on Armed Forces Entertainment tours overseas. They get a little more leeway with military orders on accommodating gear, but for the life of me cannot place a single touring musician (using air travel) who would travel with something that could not be immediately replaced. The last thing you need is someone running off with your pedalboard filled with $9k of boutique pedals and one-off guitars and have to play a sold out gig and rushing to piece back together your precious tone. Begging for trouble beyond comprehension.
 
2013-01-07 03:57:21 AM  

TommyymmoT: The case in question:
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
[www.eddievegas.com image 450x337]
I mispoke. Those cases don't go for $600.
This one, is being offered at $1500.

It's not a "cheap" case, it's just the WRONG case for the situation.


Then, I would like to amend my statement: He should have had a proper traveling case. He shouldn't have been cheap and should have purchased a seat for his guitar for all flights.
 
2013-01-07 03:57:55 AM  

Serious Black: Bob Falfa: Runs_With_Scissors_: red5ish: Runs_With_Scissors_: And, as I pointed out, the time to buy a ticket is not when you're standing on the jetway.

Their original flight was diverted due to bad weather. It's all in the article, which you should read.

Which I did. I don't think you understand what I said. He should have purchased a ticket for his guitar for the entire flight. That way, even if a flight is diverted the instrument has a seat. He should have planned ahead. He shouldn't have been so cheap.

As i said before, he has an (allegedly) $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?

My Maribel is worth about $2,500, and I don't have nearly enough money to fly first class everywhere I go.


How the fark is this relevant?
I'll bet when you get to the point in your career that you guitar is worth FOUR TIMES AS MUCH, you'll be able to fly something other than steerage.
Good luck and keep practicing.
 
2013-01-07 03:59:08 AM  

Serious Black: My Maribel is worth about $2,500, and I don't have nearly enough money to fly first class everywhere I go.


Is Maribel a guitar? You leave the "expensive" gear at home.

A $199 Epiphone sounds remarkably similar to a '59 Les Paul in a large venue.
 
2013-01-07 03:59:48 AM  

OptimusHime: Bob Falfa: alienated: Bob Falfa: Pray 4 Mojo: divx88: Why do you dumb farkers not read the article? He wanted to pay for another seat for his instrument.

Really? Where does it say that?

THIS. Article never says that he offered to buy the seat.

you really are not bright, i dont care what score you got on some intelligence test


Schneider says he even showed them a link to a story about Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments.
But he was denied.
But he was denied.
But he was denied.
But he was denied.

At no point does it state that he offered to buy a seat. He merely points out that he is allowed to buy a seat.

See, on that I agree. We don't know what the seat availability was or whether or not he specifically offered to buy a seat. We just know that he showed the rules and that, by testimonial, they said "No." at the end of that conversation. So whether he actually offered to pay money for a seat right then and there, or whether he wasn't even offered the chance, is unknown.

Where everyone here treats those as known elements, one way or the other, in order to cast judgement on the situation... that's where I have more of a problem. But I'm not the opinion police...


By "DENIED", it is likely that's because THE FLIGHT WAS FULL.

Why else would Delta NOT sell him an empty seat? "Hey Delta, I need a seat for my guitar, and money is no object". Delta: "We have a seat, but won't take your money, we'd rather leave it empty"
Said no airline, ever.
So why didn't he buy a second seat when he booked, if this was the plan?

Well, perhaps that rule about allowing it as a carry-on CAUSED the problem. This is a very large carry-on, you must admit. He's allowed to do so, but if there's no space for everyone's carry-ons, people will be forced to check bags. This is surely what happened, he then asked to buy a seat. but the reason they ran out of overhead storage is because the flight was filled and there were no seats to purchase.
 
2013-01-07 04:00:06 AM  
Compensation?
Unless you make special arrangements before time (like preferably carrying your own insurance)  no airline is going to compensate you $10,000 for ANY piece of luggage.
 
2013-01-07 04:00:25 AM  

Bob Falfa: Serious Black: ITT: Mr. Alfalfa thinks professional musicians don't know how to travel with their musical instruments.

Not at all. I have quite a few relatives and friends who make their living as musicians. I don't know a single one who has had an instrument crushed by an airline. They all have their gear shipped ahead and/or invest in proper cases and/or don't travel with $10,000 instruments. Simple as that.


This was a rare and unfortunate event, but I still maintain that he could have been traveling with a Stanley Tool Box and that elevator would have crushed it. The airline screwed up and his instrument was broken. Really you would have a hard time finding a machine better suited to crushing things than a hydraulic cargo elevator. I guess a hydraulic car crusher at a wrecking yard would be better, but the elevator will do the job.
 
2013-01-07 04:00:53 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: digitalrain: optikeye: Why in the fark did he use a soft case for a valuable instrument for air travel?

He could have avoid all this by having a simple hard case to transport the thing.
Not to say the airline wasn't at fault for some of this....but fark, putting something like that in a case that has same protection level of burlap sack is dumb.

Dude had a hard case. The case was rugged enough that it bent a STEEL FARKING BEAM in the elevator.

Delta didn't just drop the ball on this one. They dropped it, ran over it, and kicked it in the gutter.
.
No. He didn't. He was travelling with an original case. Look at the pics upthread of what he should have been transporting his guitar in. In a seat with a ticket for the entire flight.


It was a hard case. It just wasn't some high density unobtanium alloy metal case :) Some folks are going on in this thread like he tried to carry it on in a soft vinyl gig bag or something.
 
2013-01-07 04:02:08 AM  

Bob Falfa: Then don't travel with an instrument you can't afford to lose.


That, unfortunately, is the moral to the story. It is a bad story.
 
2013-01-07 04:02:33 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Serious Black: My Maribel is worth about $2,500, and I don't have nearly enough money to fly first class everywhere I go.

Is Maribel a guitar? You leave the "expensive" gear at home.

A $199 Epiphone sounds remarkably similar to a '59 Les Paul in a large venue.


Just read your profile... in your case... you fly with the Crushinator and Maribel stays safely at home.
 
2013-01-07 04:02:47 AM  

red5ish: Bob Falfa: Serious Black: ITT: Mr. Alfalfa thinks professional musicians don't know how to travel with their musical instruments.

Not at all. I have quite a few relatives and friends who make their living as musicians. I don't know a single one who has had an instrument crushed by an airline. They all have their gear shipped ahead and/or invest in proper cases and/or don't travel with $10,000 instruments. Simple as that.

This was a rare and unfortunate event, but I still maintain that he could have been traveling with a Stanley Tool Box and that elevator would have crushed it. The airline screwed up and his instrument was broken. Really you would have a hard time finding a machine better suited to crushing things than a hydraulic cargo elevator. I guess a hydraulic car crusher at a wrecking yard would be better, but the elevator will do the job.


If you can't afford to lose it, don't take it on a commercial flight.
 
2013-01-07 04:03:30 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: digitalrain: optikeye: Why in the fark did he use a soft case for a valuable instrument for air travel?

He could have avoid all this by having a simple hard case to transport the thing.
Not to say the airline wasn't at fault for some of this....but fark, putting something like that in a case that has same protection level of burlap sack is dumb.

Dude had a hard case. The case was rugged enough that it bent a STEEL FARKING BEAM in the elevator.

Delta didn't just drop the ball on this one. They dropped it, ran over it, and kicked it in the gutter.

I don't think anyone here is defending Delta... or saying they shouldn't compensate the guy. That doesn't defend this guys epic stupidity though. And it is truly epic stupidity.


No doubt. There's the hard case that's suitable for road trips to gigs where you know who will be handling your instrument and then there's hard cases that are better suited to airline travel when you don't know who the hell will be handling it or how pissed at the world they will be at the particular moment when they are loading your instrument.

He chose poorly.
 
2013-01-07 04:07:49 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Serious Black: My Maribel is worth about $2,500, and I don't have nearly enough money to fly first class everywhere I go.

Is Maribel a guitar? You leave the "expensive" gear at home.

A $199 Epiphone sounds remarkably similar to a '59 Les Paul in a large venue.


My "cheap" guitar, the Crushinator, is a Squier Strat whose fretboard is so terrible that the strings are automatically out of tune once you pass the fifth fret. I'm pretty sure that would be audible in a large venue.
 
2013-01-07 04:08:38 AM  

Oznog: OptimusHime: Bob Falfa: alienated: Bob Falfa: Pray 4 Mojo: divx88: Why do you dumb farkers not read the article? He wanted to pay for another seat for his instrument.

Really? Where does it say that?

THIS. Article never says that he offered to buy the seat.

you really are not bright, i dont care what score you got on some intelligence test


Schneider says he even showed them a link to a story about Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments.
But he was denied.
But he was denied.
But he was denied.
But he was denied.

At no point does it state that he offered to buy a seat. He merely points out that he is allowed to buy a seat.

See, on that I agree. We don't know what the seat availability was or whether or not he specifically offered to buy a seat. We just know that he showed the rules and that, by testimonial, they said "No." at the end of that conversation. So whether he actually offered to pay money for a seat right then and there, or whether he wasn't even offered the chance, is unknown.

Where everyone here treats those as known elements, one way or the other, in order to cast judgement on the situation... that's where I have more of a problem. But I'm not the opinion police...

By "DENIED", it is likely that's because THE FLIGHT WAS FULL.

Why else would Delta NOT sell him an empty seat? "Hey Delta, I need a seat for my guitar, and money is no object". Delta: "We have a seat, but won't take your money, we'd rather leave it empty"
Said no airline, ever.
So why didn't he buy a second seat when he booked, if this was the plan?

Well, perhaps that rule about allowing it as a carry-on CAUSED the problem. This is a very large carry-on, you must admit. He's allowed to do so, but if there's no space for everyone's carry-ons, people will be forced to check bags. This is surely what happened, h ...


Are you responding to my post specifically? Because I think I'm pretty close to Switzerland on this issue on the neutrality spectrum...

But for the sake of argument: Delta as a company would probably sell him a ticket on the spot. They should have the credit card swipers for drinks enabled to buy tickets as well just in that eventuality. But could I see a flight attendant saying "Sir, no, we're happy to check it, but right now you need to sit down."? Absolutely. Because selling someone a seat on the spot takes time these employees aren't paid for, and the people they work for will fire them for less.

Still, I think you're picking a fight where there isn't one to be offered... I don't disagree with your stance, I just think it's a little hasty of a conclusion.
 
2013-01-07 04:08:40 AM  

red5ish: This was a rare and unfortunate event, but I still maintain that he could have been traveling with a Stanley Tool Box and that elevator would have crushed it


That's 'cause Stanley tool boxes are garbage.

Seriously... it's important to point out that ATA approved cases are not only designed for a certain amount of impact resistance... they are shaped to prevent hang ups and problems in the transport equipment to avoid this kind of thing.
 
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