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(Yahoo)   Musician: "I'd like to buy an extra ticket for my $10,000 vintage Gibson guitar." Delta: "No; but at no additional cost to you we'll smash it in an elevator"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 356
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2013-01-07 12:11:38 AM
content8.flixster.com

Can sympathize.
 
2013-01-07 12:17:49 AM
Why... why did I know before I clicked the link that it would be a 335? I always dreamed of owning one

/AND THOSE FREAKING NEANDERTHALS DESTROYED IT
//hanging is too good for them
 
2013-01-07 12:24:06 AM
This is why I never check baggage.
 
2013-01-07 12:25:29 AM
Every time I see someone traveling by air with an instrument, I'm terrified for them.  Airline employees, in my experiences, are marginally competent at best.  I can't imagine having to entrust anything of real value to the baggage handlers of any airline.
 
2013-01-07 12:41:00 AM
This is exactly the type of thing a Hanukkah-themed rock band should expect.
 
2013-01-07 01:13:24 AM

fusillade762: Can sympathize.


a.abcnews.go.com
 
2013-01-07 01:14:40 AM
I saw them in concert at a Jewish youth group event once, I love Gusters older stuff so was kind of cool to get a little of the Guster experience
 
2013-01-07 01:41:39 AM
Bought a Harmonium when I was in India. Wrapped it with bubble wrap 40 centimetres deep on all sides. Put it in heavy duty cardboard 3 centimetres thick. Wrapped it another 15 centimetres deep in bubble wrap.

Airline still managed to smash it. I think when airlines see "musician" as occupation on your visa they smash the shiat out of your stuff just to make sure.
 
2013-01-07 01:43:48 AM
I used to have the same guitar, 'cept it was a '61.  My heart weeps.
 
2013-01-07 01:49:37 AM

Ghastly: Bought a Harmonium when I was in India.

Airline still managed to smash it


That blows.
 
2013-01-07 02:11:18 AM

doglover: Ghastly: Bought a Harmonium when I was in India.

Airline still managed to smash it

That blows.


Luckily I was able to repair it to a functional state. Cosmetically it's a little farked up.
 
2013-01-07 02:14:45 AM
I have a German violin (I won't name the maker here), that I would not trust to anybody. Mostly because I can't afford the insurance policy on it. I checked with Allstate, and they said they wouldn't insure it, then I checked Lloyds of London for shiats and giggles. HOLY CRAP! It would cost more than my car. That fiddle sits next to me everywhere I travel. I don't trust people, and I don't let other people touch it. That fiddle was a gift from a master Luthier. If you try to pull that fiddle out of my hands, I'll sock you in the mouth, while holding on to the case. That fiddle is my baby. I have a crappy Brazilian bow, but that violin is worth a lot of money.
 
2013-01-07 02:20:18 AM
Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.
 
2013-01-07 02:20:22 AM
Ok, the way I read the story was that he just tried to get them to let him carry the guitar on, and cited the congressional act to help his case - but didn't go so far as to buy a ticket.  If that's the case, he's an idiot for leaving a $10K instrument in the hands of the baggage monkeys.  It's still their fault it was mangled in the elevator, but he should have known better than to leave itin their care.
 
2013-01-07 02:25:10 AM
He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"
 
2013-01-07 02:25:59 AM
Hanukkah and hockey-themed rock bands? lol wut
 
2013-01-07 02:26:00 AM

me texan: Ok, the way I read the story was that he just tried to get them to let him carry the guitar on, and cited the congressional act to help his case - but didn't go so far as to buy a ticket.  If that's the case, he's an idiot for leaving a $10K instrument in the hands of the baggage monkeys.  It's still their fault it was mangled in the elevator, but he should have known better than to leave itin their care.


Then you missed the point where he asked to buy a ticket, and was denied. From the article:

While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland.

"I've always carried it on," Schneider, who also tours as the lead singer of the hockey-themed rock group the Zambonis, told Yahoo News. "Never been a problem before."

Schneider says he even showed them a link to a story about Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments.

But he was denied.


He tried, Delta humped a bunk, and the result was squished stringamajig.
 
2013-01-07 02:30:18 AM

Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"


I've seen airlines turn those nearly indestructible cases into Swiss cheese before. A good friend of mine's cello was mangled and destroyed that way. As far as I can tell airlines go out of their way to smash instruments. I managed to get lucky the one time I flew with my viola and there was a policy at the time that they could store it in a closet as carry on and not checked.

My friend was not so lucky and lost a horn on that same flight.

/after looking at the case for that horn they had to have purposefully gone out of their way to smash it
//flattened and chunks taken out
 
2013-01-07 02:31:44 AM

Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.


Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.
 
2013-01-07 02:32:26 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I have a German violin (I won't name the maker here), that I would not trust to anybody. Mostly because I can't afford the insurance policy on it. I checked with Allstate, and they said they wouldn't insure it, then I checked Lloyds of London for shiats and giggles. HOLY CRAP! It would cost more than my car. That fiddle sits next to me everywhere I travel. I don't trust people, and I don't let other people touch it. That fiddle was a gift from a master Luthier. If you try to pull that fiddle out of my hands, I'll sock you in the mouth, while holding on to the case. That fiddle is my baby. I have a crappy Brazilian bow, but that violin is worth a lot of money.


Was his name Lex, by any chance?
 
2013-01-07 02:33:58 AM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

I've seen airlines turn those nearly indestructible cases into Swiss cheese before. A good friend of mine's cello was mangled and destroyed that way. As far as I can tell airlines go out of their way to smash instruments. I managed to get lucky the one time I flew with my viola and there was a policy at the time that they could store it in a closet as carry on and not checked.

My friend was not so lucky and lost a horn on that same flight.

/after looking at the case for that horn they had to have purposefully gone out of their way to smash it
//flattened and chunks taken out


Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Guess you have to obey the rules and check bags that don't fit into overhead bins like the rest of us mortals. Boo farking hoo.
Seems like somebody could make a fortune make really, really good instrument cases.
 
2013-01-07 02:34:44 AM

Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"


The case bent a steel beam, yet the guitar is still repairable. I'm not sure there's something more solid he could carry around...
 
2013-01-07 02:34:55 AM

Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.


How?
 
2013-01-07 02:35:04 AM

Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"


Pretty sure he did.

"The case carrying Schneider's semihollow-body guitar was lodged between the mobile service elevator and a rail on the loading dock, shaking the elevator door. The case even bent a steel beam. "

And fta he tried to buy a seat for it even but was denied. This is entirely the airlines fault.
 
2013-01-07 02:35:39 AM
Damn, I can only imagine how pissed this guy would be.
Replaced the neck of my POS Iceman last year when a shelf collapsed onto it
 
2013-01-07 02:36:12 AM

Bob Falfa: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

I've seen airlines turn those nearly indestructible cases into Swiss cheese before. A good friend of mine's cello was mangled and destroyed that way. As far as I can tell airlines go out of their way to smash instruments. I managed to get lucky the one time I flew with my viola and there was a policy at the time that they could store it in a closet as carry on and not checked.

My friend was not so lucky and lost a horn on that same flight.

/after looking at the case for that horn they had to have purposefully gone out of their way to smash it
//flattened and chunks taken out

Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Guess you have to obey the rules and check bags that don't fit into overhead bins like the rest of us mortals. Boo farking hoo.
Seems like somebody could make a fortune make really, really good instrument cases.


If the case is good enough, the instrument will disappear instead of being mangled. Problem solved!
 
2013-01-07 02:36:14 AM

Mokmo: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

The case bent a steel beam, yet the guitar is still repairable. I'm not sure there's something more solid he could carry around...


Risks of air travel. He has a $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?
Next time take Greyhound.
 
2013-01-07 02:36:58 AM
Why in the fark did he use a soft case for a valuable instrument for air travel?

He could have avoid all this by having a simple hard case to transport the thing.
Not to say the airline wasn't at fault for some of this....but fark, putting something like that in a case that has same protection level of burlap sack is dumb.
 
2013-01-07 02:38:22 AM

Bob Falfa: Mokmo: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

The case bent a steel beam, yet the guitar is still repairable. I'm not sure there's something more solid he could carry around...

Risks of air travel. He has a $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?
Next time take Greyhound.


If youre trolling, its not working, youre just coming off like you have absolutely zero reading comprehension, why dont you take the rest of the evening to reflect and come back and try again fresh tomorrow.
 
2013-01-07 02:40:26 AM

Bob Falfa: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

I've seen airlines turn those nearly indestructible cases into Swiss cheese before. A good friend of mine's cello was mangled and destroyed that way. As far as I can tell airlines go out of their way to smash instruments. I managed to get lucky the one time I flew with my viola and there was a policy at the time that they could store it in a closet as carry on and not checked.

My friend was not so lucky and lost a horn on that same flight.

/after looking at the case for that horn they had to have purposefully gone out of their way to smash it
//flattened and chunks taken out

Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Guess you have to obey the rules and check bags that don't fit into overhead bins like the rest of us mortals. Boo farking hoo.
Seems like somebody could make a fortune make really, really good instrument cases.


Seems to me that's the point of, what, both of those stories? People out there already make DAMN good cases. Unfortunately, people out there alos make multi-ton vehicles and give them to $10-an-hour employees at airports.
 
2013-01-07 02:40:34 AM

Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.


He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.
 
2013-01-07 02:41:11 AM
Too bad he doesn't have a guitar, he could write a song about it.


/that sucks.
//farking delta.
 
2013-01-07 02:42:55 AM

Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.


Again dude, reading comprehension.

"Schneider says he even showed them a link to a story about Congress passing the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 that made it easier for musicians to fly with their instruments-allowing them to purchase an extra seat on the plane for their fragile instruments.
But he was denied."
 
2013-01-07 02:43:20 AM

Bob Falfa: Mokmo: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

The case bent a steel beam, yet the guitar is still repairable. I'm not sure there's something more solid he could carry around...

Risks of air travel. He has a $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?
Next time take Greyhound.


Granted, I've been drinking so I may not get the point, but I think the complaint's main point is that he had legitimate precedent to buy the instrument a seat, was refused, and then suffered what one could logically consider the consequences of not being prepared for such a refusal.

Granted, I'm a bit touchy about even my worthless possessions, and will try to prepare for every conceivable instance ahead of time, but as far as dealing with the airline and its employees, it's a legitimate complaint that he should have been allowed, by their own rules, to buy a ticket for it or stow it in an available space.

But I do recognize your point that if it was that valuable it should be protected against human incompetence better.
 
2013-01-07 02:43:42 AM

Bob Falfa: Kuroshin: Bob Falfa: Does it meet the size requirements for carry-ons? No? THEN farkING CHECK IT.

Good jorb. You've outed yourself as an idiot. Congrats.

He didn't want to abide by the rules and I'm the idiot? If his guitar fits under the seat in front of him or in the overhead bin, fine carry it on. Otherwise CHECK IT.


Let us repeat, since you are obviously suffering from serious brain damage.  Federal law allows musicians to buy an extra seat for a musical instrument.  He attempted to do so, the airline refused.

Let's repeat for the slow (that would be you).  The airline ignored a federal law that is meant to protect valuable instruments, then caused serious damage to the instrument.  The exact thing the law is supposed to prevent.

So who's the idiot, you farking idiot?
 
2013-01-07 02:44:17 AM

Cyno01: Bob Falfa: Mokmo: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

The case bent a steel beam, yet the guitar is still repairable. I'm not sure there's something more solid he could carry around...

Risks of air travel. He has a $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?
Next time take Greyhound.

If youre trolling, its not working, youre just coming off like you have absolutely zero reading comprehension, why dont you take the rest of the evening to reflect and come back and try again fresh tomorrow.


Not trolling, Just sick and tired of people who take up the entire overhead bin with their crap. I'm quite tall and therefore cannot put my bag under the seat in front of me. This is also why I don't fly coach.
As I said, my BIL makes his living playing his trombone all over the world. Number of horns he's had wrecked by airlines? Zero.
 
2013-01-07 02:46:24 AM
Flight case dude... look into them.

Cyno01: And fta he tried to buy a seat for it even but was denied.


No he didn't. Apparently you and subby both failed to RTFA...

"While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland."
 
2013-01-07 02:46:30 AM
two emails he sent to Delta chief executive Richard Anderson were not returned.

No shiat. It's probably in his spam folder.

Also, why did he pack his semi hollow-body guitar in a soft vinyl case?
 
2013-01-07 02:47:00 AM

Bob Falfa: Cyno01: Bob Falfa: Mokmo: Bob Falfa: He's an idiot for not investing in a decent case. My BIL makes his living by playing his trombone and believe me, he has a goddamn bulletproof case for that instrument.
Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"

The case bent a steel beam, yet the guitar is still repairable. I'm not sure there's something more solid he could carry around...

Risks of air travel. He has a $10,000 guitar and he's flying coach?
Next time take Greyhound.

If youre trolling, its not working, youre just coming off like you have absolutely zero reading comprehension, why dont you take the rest of the evening to reflect and come back and try again fresh tomorrow.

Not trolling, Just sick and tired of people who take up the entire overhead bin with their crap. I'm quite tall and therefore cannot put my bag under the seat in front of me. This is also why I don't fly coach.
As I said, my BIL makes his living playing his trombone all over the world. Number of horns he's had wrecked by airlines? Zero.


He was trying to buy a ticket to put the instrument in the seat next to him. Unless Delta has started selling tickets for the overhead storage bins (which really wouldn't surprise me).
 
2013-01-07 02:47:17 AM
What a miserable situation! And that's why when I hit the road, I do NOT bring an heirloom. That's just me.
 
2013-01-07 02:47:20 AM
This is a bad story.
 
2013-01-07 02:47:37 AM

CMcMahon: Hanukkah and hockey-themed rock bands? lol wut


Sounds like the plot for Happy Gilmore 2, or maybe The Wedding Singer 2. Either way, I hope Adam Sandler never hears of this.
 
2013-01-07 02:48:02 AM
"It was this crazy sound," Schneider said. "Metal on metal."

A jam session gone wrong.
 
2013-01-07 02:49:16 AM

Bob Falfa: Sorry if this guy thought that airline rules don't apply to him. Jackass. "Bbbbbbut my guitar is special. Can't I take up three people's overhead bins if my guitar is special? Waaaaa"


It takes one overhead bin for luggage, but if you have a hard case you can fit backbacks, coats, small bags and lots of other stuff with it with no problem.  It's totally within the rules to have it up there.

The problem though - from experience - is that he flew on Delta.  All the airlines that charge to check luggage completely fill up the overheads every flight.  The trick is to fly on Virign or Jet Blue, because there are always plenty of completely open overheads, even on the cross country flights during the holidays.  I always bring my guitar because it takes forever to get good at it and being away is the best time to put in monster practices, so I am experienced on bringing them.  Fly an airline with a free bag allowance and you should be ok.* **

/*Jet Blue doesn't have a front closet so sometimes they give you a hard time, but just insist.  I promise you the overheads won't be full.  Worst case is you ask someone politely to move their bag from a half full overhead to a second half full one.  Even though they don't have a closet though, Jet Blue is the best for this.
//**Once I flew on a flight and like 4 other guys all had guitars too and I had to valet it, but it was fine.  If you are going to check it, use the valet at the gate and not the checked baggage part.  They store it in a seperate area like where they would keep your dog or something.
 
2013-01-07 02:49:55 AM
According to the story, he claims to have a $10,000 guitar, and he's asking for $1980?
FTFA:

Schneider, though, says he isn't looking for that kind of fame.

"I'm not a greedy dude," he said. "I'm just looking for $1,980."


Did he misplace a decimal in the value of his instrument?

Also FTFA: The Federal Aviation Administration will permit any instrument that can be safely stored in the overhead compartment or underneath a seat to be treated as carry-on luggage.

Would his guitar fit? If so, he should have carried it on.
 
2013-01-07 02:51:04 AM

n_carrvoigt: He was trying to buy a ticket to put the instrument in the seat next to him. Unless Delta has started selling tickets for the overhead storage bins (which really wouldn't surprise me).


TFA article doesn't say that.

Dude is a dumbass... has a legit gripe and deserves to be compensated... but still a dumbass.
 
2013-01-07 02:51:08 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Flight case dude... look into them.

Cyno01: And fta he tried to buy a seat for it even but was denied.

No he didn't. Apparently you and subby both failed to RTFA...

"While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland."


Insofar as the link he showed the employees was a rule allowing musicians to buy a separate seat for their instrument, I'm going to assume that his implied offer was buying the ticket. It seems more believable than the employees go through the hassle of offering him the chance to buy the ticket right then and there. Of course it could have been the lack of foresight on his part not to buy the ticket ahead of time, and the crunch of travel that made carrying it and just putting it in an available space impossible. Really, to me, both perspectives are conceivable.
 
2013-01-07 02:51:33 AM
I bet part of the reason instruments seem to get ruined more often is simply that the airport baggage conveyors are designed with more rectangular shaped objects in mind, and instrument cases are often irregularly shaped. Probably makes it easier to get stuck in some corner of the machine and chewed up. That being said, an instrument getting destroyed like that is a damn shame.
 
2013-01-07 02:51:50 AM
dumb guy puts $10,000 guitar in $100 case
 
2013-01-07 02:53:00 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Flight case dude... look into them.

Cyno01: And fta he tried to buy a seat for it even but was denied.

No he didn't. Apparently you and subby both failed to RTFA...

"While boarding in Buffalo, Schneider says he asked Delta staffers not to check in the vintage guitar-which he estimates is worth about $10,000-and allow him to carry it on the plane and place it in an available space, as he did on the flight from Portland."


Here is the knock out blow:  Delta's own farking "allowable carry on items" page.  Here it is

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/baggage/be for e-your-trip/special-items.html

Click on the Musical Instruments tab and then look at what Instruments Can I Carry On?

Here is the text:

What Instruments Can I Carry On?

Guitars and other smaller musical instruments, such as violins, will be accepted as your free carry-on baggage item on Delta and Delta Connection® carriers flights¹. These items must easily fit in the overhead bin or other approved storage location in the cabin, based on available space at the time of boarding. Musical instruments may be gate claimed at the discretion of the passenger and as a result of limited overhead space.

/Google is your friend
 
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