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(Gawker)   Meet Daniel Quinnell, the luckiest asshole in 'Merika   (gawker.com) divider line 266
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2013-01-06 08:25:20 PM  
Especially once the Fark ITG contingent show up to talk about all the badassery that they would have thrown down on him.
 
2013-01-06 08:38:36 PM  
I agree with this headline.
 
2013-01-06 08:46:52 PM  
Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.
 
2013-01-06 09:07:39 PM  
NOTHING good can come from going to WalMart at 3:00am.

/unless you just like hanging with the tweakers
//yeah yeah, i know some people work at night
 
2013-01-06 09:07:42 PM  
An armed society man is a polite society man.
 
2013-01-06 09:08:05 PM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.


No doubt. I'm impressed that he was able to keep his cool so well.
 
2013-01-06 09:17:35 PM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.


Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.



Bears repeating several times.....

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.

 
2013-01-06 09:18:19 PM  
Mighty generous of him.

I wouldn't have faulted him one bit if he did waste the douche.
 
2013-01-06 09:19:04 PM  

BSABSVR: Especially once the Fark ITG contingent show up to talk about all the badassery that they would have thrown down on him.


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Saw this recently.
 
2013-01-06 09:19:34 PM  

basemetal: NOTHING good can come from going to WalMart at 3:00am.


Satisfy late night Slim Jim craving.
 
2013-01-06 09:20:43 PM  

freewill: Mighty generous of him.

I wouldn't have faulted him one bit if he did waste the douche.


+1
 
2013-01-06 09:21:19 PM  
What's that thing with an "r" that we never use? Oh right, restraint.
 
2013-01-06 09:21:45 PM  
Cameron Mohammed is exactly what a real American should be. Better than the other guy..
 
2013-01-06 09:21:56 PM  
After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.
 
2013-01-06 09:22:21 PM  
Good thing they weren't in the subway
 
2013-01-06 09:22:30 PM  
It's enough for him to know he could've blown the guy away if he had no choice.
 
2013-01-06 09:22:45 PM  
What did he expect the pellet gun to do? I agree with this headline because I know what .45 ACP can do.
 
2013-01-06 09:22:47 PM  

TwistedIvory: Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.

No doubt. I'm impressed that he was able to keep his cool so well.


Indeed.
 
2013-01-06 09:23:17 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


If Mohammed's girlfriend had a pellet gun, this would have turned out much differently.
 
2013-01-06 09:23:59 PM  

the_celt: Cameron Mohammed is exactly what a real American should be. Better than the other guy..


gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


Both good points.
 
2013-01-06 09:24:09 PM  
I smell one of those huge threads brewing, replete with trolls and ITGs.

/carry on
 
2013-01-06 09:25:37 PM  
I would have shot him.
 
2013-01-06 09:25:42 PM  
Good. A new gun troll thread. The other one was getting slow.
 
2013-01-06 09:26:13 PM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.


Absolutely. I'd like to think that in the same situation, I'd be calm enough to NOT kill someone who (despite being a grade-A asshole) wasn't actually threatening my life. And like other Farkers here, I would totally understand if he had sent this clown to the morgue, where be probably belongs.

I really, really, really hope that Quinnell thinks for a long time about what he did and what could have happened to him. He owes his life to the decency of one of the people he hates so much. He'd best not forget that, because he probably won't be so lucky the next time he behaves this way.

And as for Mr. Mohammed, he remembered the words of Gandalf. Hopefully Quinnell can make himself useful by throwing himself into an active volcano in the next movie.....
 
2013-01-06 09:26:28 PM  

the_celt: Cameron Mohammed is exactly what a real American should be. Better than the other guy..


While, on the other hand, Daniel Quinnell is everything a Real 'Murikan should be. What could possibly be more patriotic than a rage filled moron who irrationally hates Muslims and solves his problems with a gun?
 
2013-01-06 09:26:42 PM  

basemetal: NOTHING good can come from going to WalMart at 3:00am.

/unless you just like hanging with the tweakers
//yeah yeah, i know some people work at night


I like keeping tabs on the local riffraff trends, so I go to the Super Walmart every now and then. It's only at 2AM that you truly understand the need for all of the security cameras, and who ends up buying those cheap plastic fake chrome 15" spinners.
 
2013-01-06 09:27:03 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


If by tragedy you mean the death of the POS criminal (10 arrests in 6 years!) I'm not seeing it. Him being killed in the street by someone he viciously attacked is not tragedy. It's justice.
 
2013-01-06 09:29:25 PM  
I'm confused, there are some key points missing. It says that Quinnell was talking to police, so I'm guessing he was arrested at some point. What led to the arrest? Was it after the fact based on the surveillance? Security at Wal*Mart? Did the gun-owner eventually brandish his sidearm and detain him until police arrived?

This all may be somewhere in the article, my attention span is a bit waned right now.
 
2013-01-06 09:29:52 PM  

jmr61: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

If by tragedy you mean the death of the POS criminal (10 arrests in 6 years!) I'm not seeing it. Him being killed in the street by someone he viciously attacked is not tragedy. It's justice.


i think what he meant was the bystander.
 
2013-01-06 09:30:08 PM  
I wonder, if Cameron Mohammed had gotten angry and shot Daniel Quinnell, would Fox News and World Net Daily have cried foul at the "black Muslim shooting an American under questionable circumstances"?
 
2013-01-06 09:31:03 PM  
I'd have thrown the gun at his head, Oddjob-style.

/ITG
 
2013-01-06 09:31:40 PM  
Who packs a bb gun?
 
2013-01-06 09:31:52 PM  

jmr61: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

If by tragedy you mean the death of the POS criminal (10 arrests in 6 years!) I'm not seeing it. Him being killed in the street by someone he viciously attacked is not tragedy. It's justice.


It's also inevitable. If this Cameron guy doesn't want to be the one to do it, well, fine by me.
 
2013-01-06 09:32:29 PM  

Parthenogenetic: I wonder, if Cameron Mohammed had gotten angry and shot Daniel Quinnell, would Fox News and World Net Daily have cried foul at the "black Muslim shooting an American under questionable circumstances"?


Maybe not Fox News, but Fox Nation would do something like that, no doubt. At the very least, we'd hear about how the "hip-hop shooting" didn't create any jobs.
 
2013-01-06 09:32:41 PM  
I think Gandhi would have shot him.
 
2013-01-06 09:33:32 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Absolutely. I'd like to think that in the same situation, I'd be calm enough to NOT kill someone who (despite being a grade-A asshole) wasn't actually threatening my life. And like other Farkers here, I would totally understand if he had sent this clown to the morgue, where be probably belongs.


The issue for me is that, in that moment, I doubt I'd fully understand that my life was not being threatened, especially if someone I cared about was with me.

However, if you brandish a weapon and scream racial epithets at somebody, that's a risk you're sort of volunteering to take.
 
2013-01-06 09:34:08 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: I really, really, really hope that Quinnell thinks for a long time about what he did and what could have happened to him. He owes his life to the decency of one of the people he hates so much. He'd best not forget that, because he probably won't be so lucky the next time he behaves this way.


10 arrests since 2006 would suggest that thinking is not something Quinnell is capable of.
 
2013-01-06 09:34:13 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


Most gun owners are responsible. If the moron that started this had been shot, I'm not sure I'm seeing a tragedy.
 
2013-01-06 09:36:28 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


The next person that asshole attacks will probably disagree with you.
 
2013-01-06 09:37:31 PM  
Why shoot him when you can pistol whip the f*ck out of the man?
 
2013-01-06 09:37:31 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I would have shot him.


Yep.
 
2013-01-06 09:38:07 PM  
He should have done this at him:

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All kidding aside...

Daniel Quinnell... is a farking loser. I hope he never manages to breed.
 
2013-01-06 09:39:11 PM  

jmr61: If by tragedy you mean the death of the POS criminal (10 arrests in 6 years!) I'm not seeing it. Him being killed in the street by someone he viciously attacked is not tragedy. It's justice.


I would imagine the for the someone that killed him would consider it a tragedy. I could not imagine killing someone, even if totally justified it would change my life.
 
2013-01-06 09:39:12 PM  
And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.
 
2013-01-06 09:39:14 PM  

Salmon: Who packs a bb gun?


A guy who was banned from carrying firearms, apparently.  According to TFA, at least.

He asked Mohammed if he was Muslim or from the Middle East, according to the Pasco County Sheriff's Office. Mohammed said no, but, authorities said, Quinnell shot him at close range with a gas-propelled pellet gun while saying "n--- with a white girl."
 Oh, for Fark's sake.  What a farking peckerwood.  Even rednecks don't go about their racism in such an open and obvious manner.  Jeez.
 
2013-01-06 09:39:17 PM  

Parthenogenetic: I wonder, if Cameron Mohammed had gotten angry and shot Daniel Quinnell, would Fox News and World Net Daily have cried foul at the "black Muslim shooting an American under questionable circumstances"?


Absolutely.

On top of that, Mohammed would have been arrested and be on trial now facing either the death penalty (if Quinnell had been killed) or life without parole (if Quinnell survived) -- unless he was executed on the scene by the cops, or "committed suicide" in the back of the police car by shooting himself in the head multiple times with a double-action revolver while handcuffed.
 
2013-01-06 09:40:33 PM  
Is it too early to discuss this subject again?
 
2013-01-06 09:42:20 PM  
Sounds like some states still need 3 strikes laws......even a 9 strikes law would have prevented this.
 
2013-01-06 09:42:27 PM  

jmr61: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

If by tragedy you mean the death of the POS criminal (10 arrests in 6 years!) I'm not seeing it. Him being killed in the street by someone he viciously attacked is not tragedy. It's justice.


I agree. What tragedy? Another comment in this thread states they hope the suspect thinks long and hard about what he did. Based on the report that the suspect has 10 prior arrests with many of them being assault charges and violent threats, that isn't going to happen and at what point do we say enough is enough? It's not about being an ITG, it's about being able to protect yourself against a violent thug who has intentions of harming you. And for those that say it was just a pellet gun, do a Google search and see how much they look like a real firearm. So here you are in a dimly lit parking lot with that pointed at you, do you just stand there and take it when you have the chance to stop the threat and perhaps save your own life? Mohammed had two perfectly moral and legal options to this attack - do nothing or stop the assailant. I would have no problem had Mohammed chosen to stop the attack by shooting the suspect. In fact I am kind of sorry he didn't shoot his attacker. He may have done this asshole's next victim a favor.

With that being said I am now ready for the liberals to point out how wrong I am.
 
2013-01-06 09:42:53 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


The only reason it's a rare example is because responsible people rarely make the news. What would be a tragedy? A racist criminal being removed from the gene pool? Go back to Stormfront.
 
2013-01-06 09:45:49 PM  
I suppose he could have shot him in the knee or something. Kudos for him for not taking a life, though.
 
2013-01-06 09:46:09 PM  
Mugshot of bbgun guy:
media2.abcactionnews.com

He was turned in by his mommy, and the police reported that he continued to badmouth Muslims while being booked. This guy is a lost cause.
 
2013-01-06 09:46:20 PM  

freewill: Mighty generous of him.

I wouldn't have faulted him one bit if he did waste the douche.


Or at least shot him in the nuts to prevent him from possibly breeding.
 
2013-01-06 09:48:07 PM  

duffblue: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

The only reason it's a rare example is because responsible people rarely make the news. What would be a tragedy? A racist criminal being removed from the gene pool? Go back to Stormfront.


I've bolded the relevant data for you. He could have hit a bystander had he shot at the idiot.
 
2013-01-06 09:49:22 PM  

CaptSS: jmr61: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

If by tragedy you mean the death of the POS criminal (10 arrests in 6 years!) I'm not seeing it. Him being killed in the street by someone he viciously attacked is not tragedy. It's justice.

I agree. What tragedy? Another comment in this thread states they hope the suspect thinks long and hard about what he did. Based on the report that the suspect has 10 prior arrests with many of them being assault charges and violent threats, that isn't going to happen and at what point do we say enough is enough? It's not about being an ITG, it's about being able to protect yourself against a violent thug who has intentions of harming you. And for those that say it was just a pellet gun, do a Google search and see how much they look like a real firearm. So here you are in a dimly lit parking lot with that pointed at you, do you just stand there and take it when you have the chance to stop the threat and perhaps save your own life? Mohammed had two perfectly moral and legal options to this attack - do nothing or stop the assailant. I would have no problem had Mohammed chosen to stop the attack by shooting the suspect. In fact I am kind of sorry he didn't shoot his attacker. He may have done this asshole's next victim a favor.

With that being said I am now ready for the liberals to point out how wrong I am.


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In all seriousness, though, the averted tragedy was the non-zero chance that Mohammed might have missed Quinnell and hit the innocent bystander:

After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

And if that happened, Mohammed's fate would have been identical to what I described earlier: arrest and facing either the death penalty or life in prison without parole, summary execution on the scene, or "suicide."
 
2013-01-06 09:49:46 PM  

WhyteRaven74: And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.


If he shot the guy in the back as he scurried off? Yeah that'd be wrong. He was in danger of being blinded though (some of the pellets have to be surgically removed so they hit fairly hard). Remember legal justification for using lethal force is death or serious injury, so shooting him wouldn't have been out of the question, especially if the guy continued the attack rather than fleeing. That might seem like overkill to to us reading about it in hindsight, but it's a tougher decision to make when it's happening to you and you don't know how far the attack will go.
 
2013-01-06 09:50:08 PM  

uncleacid: I think Gandhi would have shot him.


Oh yeah, Gandhi would have blown his freakin' head off - KAPLOOSH!! Few people actually realize what an ill-tempered on-edge hunter/marksman Gandhi was.
No, you didn't want to cross Gandhi.
 
2013-01-06 09:50:16 PM  
Cameron Mohammed knew better than to be a minority and shoot someone (even in self defense) in Florida.
 
2013-01-06 09:50:43 PM  

WhyteRaven74: And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.


Got you in green, man, 'cause you say stuff like this.
 
2013-01-06 09:51:34 PM  

Salmon: Who packs a bb gun?


I bet it was a semiautomatic assault BB gun.
 
2013-01-06 09:52:14 PM  
A boot to the head would have sufficed.
 
2013-01-06 09:57:41 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


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2013-01-06 09:57:53 PM  

Hector Remarkable: uncleacid: I think Gandhi would have shot him.

Oh yeah, Gandhi would have blown his freakin' head off - KAPLOOSH!! Few people actually realize what an ill-tempered on-edge hunter/marksman Gandhi was.
No, you didn't want to cross Gandhi.


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No more passive resistance! A one man wrecking crew!
 
2013-01-06 09:58:13 PM  

King Something: Parthenogenetic: I wonder, if Cameron Mohammed had gotten angry and shot Daniel Quinnell, would Fox News and World Net Daily have cried foul at the "black Muslim shooting an American under questionable circumstances"?

Absolutely.

On top of that, Mohammed would have been arrested and be on trial now facing either the death penalty (if Quinnell had been killed) or life without parole (if Quinnell survived) -- unless he was executed on the scene by the cops, or "committed suicide" in the back of the police car by shooting himself in the head multiple times with a double-action revolver while handcuffed.


This is Florida, none of that would have happened.
 
2013-01-06 09:59:17 PM  
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Didn't realize until today that this is the same person.
 
2013-01-06 10:00:57 PM  
"Tho' I've belted you and flayed you,
By the livin' Gawd that made you,
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!"
 
2013-01-06 10:01:10 PM  
Let's play Hogan's Alley. Put a pair of sunglasses on to simulate nighttime. After looking at the picture you have .5 seconds to decide which is a pellet gun and which is a firearm and whether you think the thug is going to kill you. (And yes one is a .22 and one is a pellet gun.)
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Victim had every right to fire at the suspect as soon as he saw him point the weapon at him. I highly doubt a Grand Jury would indict the victim. Now, if he shot at him while he was fleeing, yeah maybe - but not at the point of confrontation.
 
2013-01-06 10:02:56 PM  
I would have shot him in the foot, and no regrets. And yes I can do that.
 
2013-01-06 10:04:28 PM  
Im not so quick to call him a hero. If someone is shooting you in the face with a pellet gun, how the hell are you supposed to know theyre not trying to kill you? Ive been around unexpected gunfire and its easy to think it's not real. It sounds to me like the dude froze suffering from normalcy bias and just got lucky the bullets were air pellets and not from a real firearm. It's more likely the case rather than actually him thinking it through and keeping his cool, contemplating risks, etc and then deciding against shooting the assailant because "the assailant could turn his life around someday"
Just sayin'
 
2013-01-06 10:05:56 PM  
Yeah, I'm calling BS on this story. It's BS.
 
2013-01-06 10:08:44 PM  
Should have shot him. The IQ of the entire country would have gone up just a tiny little bit.
 
2013-01-06 10:09:17 PM  

walkerhound: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

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It DOES mean what he thinks it means -- it means most people would have taken the risk of shooting an innocent bystander.

NowhereMon: King Something: Parthenogenetic: I wonder, if Cameron Mohammed had gotten angry and shot Daniel Quinnell, would Fox News and World Net Daily have cried foul at the "black Muslim shooting an American under questionable circumstances"?

Absolutely.

On top of that, Mohammed would have been arrested and be on trial now facing either the death penalty (if Quinnell had been killed) or life without parole (if Quinnell survived) -- unless he was executed on the scene by the cops, or "committed suicide" in the back of the police car by shooting himself in the head multiple times with a double-action revolver while handcuffed.

This is Florida, none of that would have happened.


I'm not nearly as confident as you in the life expectancy or the quality-of-life expectancy of a black Muslim who shot and either killed or seriously injured a white guy (or a bystander while trying to shoot that white guy) in a metro area and state run by Teabaggers.
 
2013-01-06 10:09:19 PM  
Quinnell sounds like a real winner:

1/3/13 AGGRAVATED BATTERY
4/9/2012 DOMESTIC BATTERY

8/10/11  BATTERY ON PERSON 65 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER
8/19/10 DOMESTIC BATTERY
7/22/10 RECKLESS DRIVING
6/1/2010 DOMESTIC BATTERY
4/19/2010 DOMESTIC BATTERY
2/19/2010 DOMESTIC BATTERY
8/2/2007 RECKLESS DRIVING
 
2013-01-06 10:09:29 PM  
"Hero" tag on vacation, subby? Because Conor Mohammed deserves it.
 
2013-01-06 10:09:45 PM  

WTF Indeed: Why shoot him when you can pistol whip the f*ck out of the man?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-06 10:13:07 PM  

poe_zlaw: Im not so quick to call him a hero. If someone is shooting you in the face with a pellet gun, how the hell are you supposed to know theyre not trying to kill you? Ive been around unexpected gunfire and its easy to think it's not real. It sounds to me like the dude froze suffering from normalcy bias and just got lucky the bullets were air pellets and not from a real firearm. It's more likely the case rather than actually him thinking it through and keeping his cool, contemplating risks, etc and then deciding against shooting the assailant because "the assailant could turn his life around someday"
Just sayin'


That's exactly how I pictured the situation. A quick attack with the suspect fleeing before the victim could accurately assess and respond.
 
2013-01-06 10:15:30 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


F you...please site some specifics, other than your lib opinion.
 
2013-01-06 10:16:29 PM  
From TFA:
"Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

Doesn't every hate crime victim suffer for something they aren't? (i.e. a stereotype)
 
2013-01-06 10:16:35 PM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.


If he had just wasted that racist skidmark, I would probably have been OK with it, and this realization makes me upset with myself. Time to do some thinking.
 
2013-01-06 10:16:56 PM  

Shae123: site


Adorable.
 
2013-01-06 10:16:57 PM  
The point everyone is missing is that this is a criminal who was actually obeying the "criminals can't have guns" law.

See? It totally works!
 
2013-01-06 10:18:58 PM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.

 
2013-01-06 10:19:26 PM  

JerkStore: The point everyone is missing is that this is a criminal who was actually obeying the "criminals can't have guns" law.

See? It totally works!


Giggled.
 
2013-01-06 10:20:41 PM  
Somehow I doubt that your everyday klansman is gonna view Daniel Quinnell as a "white guy".
 
2013-01-06 10:22:40 PM  
Quinnell shot him at close range with a gas-propelled pellet gun while saying "n----- with a white girl."

What is this, 1950?
 
2013-01-06 10:26:17 PM  
FTFA: "Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

What the fark does it matter whether he is or isn't a Muslim? How does that make the slightest farking difference? How did this excrement make it past an editor?

Fark, some "journalists" are dumb.
 
2013-01-06 10:28:18 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: FTFA: "Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

What the fark does it matter whether he is or isn't a Muslim? How does that make the slightest farking difference? How did this excrement make it past an editor?

Fark, some "journalists" are dumb.


The way I read it it sounds like the author is trying to say it would somehow be better if he is a Muslim. Not sure if that is his intent, but that is how that sentence comes off.
 
2013-01-06 10:30:06 PM  

poorjon: Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.

If he had just wasted that racist skidmark, I would probably have been OK with it, and this realization makes me upset with myself. Time to do some thinking.


Don't be. Said racist skidmark got way better than he deserved. He pulled (as far as the victim knew) a deadly weapon without provocation. Don't play with fire if you aren't prepared to get burned.

/Pellet guns can kill. Maybe not as lethal as firearms, but it does happen from time to time.
 
2013-01-06 10:31:17 PM  
Does it matter what you are or who you are?
 
2013-01-06 10:32:45 PM  
I think he knew it was a air gun I have been told stop or I will shoot, and in less than one sec after I heard the airgun go off I was running It prolly took him 2 sec to realize it was a air gun and the next 2 to realize that he chose not to use lethal force
 
2013-01-06 10:33:10 PM  

JerkStore: The point everyone is missing is that this is a criminal who was actually obeying the "criminals can't have guns" law.

See? It totally works!


Yep, if he's picked up by the police.....he can use that as an excuse - "It's not a real gun"....but you can bet this jackwad has waved it around at least once or twice to show someone he's "got a real gun".
 
2013-01-06 10:33:20 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: AssAsInAssassin: FTFA: "Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

What the fark does it matter whether he is or isn't a Muslim? How does that make the slightest farking difference? How did this excrement make it past an editor?

Fark, some "journalists" are dumb.

The way I read it it sounds like the author is trying to say it would somehow be better if he is a Muslim. Not sure if that is his intent, but that is how that sentence comes off.


Jesus, fcuikn relax you two. News article/ editor police are worse than the grammar police. He told you a story. You got the information from it. Quit crying about what else he says. Go get yourself a pulitzer if you're so fcuikng good.
 
2013-01-06 10:33:42 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: I suppose he could have shot him in the knee or something. Kudos for him for not taking a life, though.


I used to be a racist like Daniel Quinnell, then I took a .45 slug in the knee.
 
2013-01-06 10:38:00 PM  
CSB time

My dad was a postal worker. While carrying mail in an apartment complex one day a 17 year old from a 2nd story shot him with a pellet rifle. It went in through his rib cage and was only a few inches from puncturing his lung. Well the police didn't take it to serious and some how the kid got let go. Fast foward a few years and the guy ended up killing 3 women and was on the run for 15+ years
 
2013-01-06 10:38:22 PM  

spacelord321: poe_zlaw: Im not so quick to call him a hero. If someone is shooting you in the face with a pellet gun, how the hell are you supposed to know theyre not trying to kill you? Ive been around unexpected gunfire and its easy to think it's not real. It sounds to me like the dude froze suffering from normalcy bias and just got lucky the bullets were air pellets and not from a real firearm. It's more likely the case rather than actually him thinking it through and keeping his cool, contemplating risks, etc and then deciding against shooting the assailant because "the assailant could turn his life around someday"
Just sayin'

That's exactly how I pictured the situation. A quick attack with the suspect fleeing before the victim could accurately assess and respond.



Yeah, had the victim been someone with a decent amount of training (cop, etc), you can bet the asshat would have left in the coroner's car.
 
2013-01-06 10:38:53 PM  
You defend your self with deadly force to prevent a forceable felony.

As defined in FL:

776.08 Forcible felony.

"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

I think being attacked with pellet gun would be an aggravated assault, so he would be able to kill the guy and not be prosecuted.

But as all concealed carry permit holders know, you only fire as a last resort, as killing someone under any circumstance is a major hassle and would at least cost you a few thousand dollars in legal defense. Not to mention the emotional trauma associated with talking a life.
 
2013-01-06 10:39:30 PM  

sloshed_again: Does it matter what you are or who you are?



Depends.

Who's asking?
 
2013-01-06 10:39:50 PM  
I have a buddy who is a shrink for the state. He tells me a lot of stories, without violating any privacy laws, about shenanigans with convicts and dopers. On a nearly daily basis he is forced to put lunatics back on the street (they have rights too, you know).

This guy sounds like he is schizophrenic. Seriously disturbed at any rate. This isn't a hate-crime so much as another example of a failed mental-health system.
 
2013-01-06 10:40:25 PM  
Not arguing for shooting anyone, ever, but if you're not willing to draw and fire on someone, you should not be carrying a firearm.

/I'll never be carrying one
 
2013-01-06 10:42:54 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: AssAsInAssassin: FTFA: "Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

What the fark does it matter whether he is or isn't a Muslim? How does that make the slightest farking difference? How did this excrement make it past an editor?

Fark, some "journalists" are dumb.

The way I read it it sounds like the author is trying to say it would somehow be better if he is a Muslim. Not sure if that is his intent, but that is how that sentence comes off.


I more took it as showing how stupid and ignorant the shooter is; he can't even target the right people of his racism.
 
2013-01-06 10:44:43 PM  
CowardlyLion Not arguing for shooting anyone, ever, but if you're not willing to draw and fire on someone, you should not be carrying a firearm.

/I'll never be carrying one


So, you're saying that anyone excercising their right to legally carry a firearm is obligated to shoot someone at some point? Nice, I like it! Kinda like a bloodsport proof of virility! You have to shoot someone every year to get your permit renewed!
 
2013-01-06 10:47:06 PM  

Amos Quito: Who's asking?


ME. I don't care if you are purple cool people always agree with me.

Whats up with attacking people on the street your ok with.
 
2013-01-06 10:47:10 PM  

grunthos: CowardlyLion Not arguing for shooting anyone, ever, but if you're not willing to draw and fire on someone, you should not be carrying a firearm.

/I'll never be carrying one

So, you're saying that anyone excercising their right to legally carry a firearm is obligated to shoot someone at some point? Nice, I like it! Kinda like a bloodsport proof of virility! You have to shoot someone every year to get your permit renewed!



Exactly - if you aren't shooting people, you don't need a gun.
 
2013-01-06 10:48:44 PM  

gilgigamesh: A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


Completely agree with you there. He held his fire, kept his weapon holstered and noted a bystander could have been in the line of fire.
 
2013-01-06 10:48:49 PM  
Damn.  A lot of you farkers could use some lessons in reading comprehension.
 
2013-01-06 10:49:39 PM  

CowardlyLion: Not arguing for shooting anyone, ever, but if you're not willing to draw and fire on someone, you should not be carrying a firearm.

/I'll never be carrying one


Eh, some people think they're ready, when they aren't.

/these people are ammo resupply depots for those of us that are
//we all need to get gear from somewhere
 
2013-01-06 10:50:41 PM  

poe_zlaw: Plant Rights Activist: AssAsInAssassin: FTFA: "Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

What the fark does it matter whether he is or isn't a Muslim? How does that make the slightest farking difference? How did this excrement make it past an editor?

Fark, some "journalists" are dumb.

The way I read it it sounds like the author is trying to say it would somehow be better if he is a Muslim. Not sure if that is his intent, but that is how that sentence comes off.

Jesus, fcuikn relax you two. News article/ editor police are worse than the grammar police. He told you a story. You got the information from it. Quit crying about what else he says. Go get yourself a pulitzer if you're so fcuikng good.


Yeah! The ignorance of that writer is just as good as your knowledge!

Seriously, this is why it's becoming harder and harder to find anyone that can write with confidence and competence - because more and more folks are happy to accept such sloppy writing.

I suppose I shouldn't complain, as folks like that are keeping me in kibble, but still, it's always fun to watch someone stand up for incompetence, as if it's somehow defensible. "It's 'Murika! Yer allow'd ta be stupid! Don't yew criticize him - he's just exercisin' his rights as a 'Murikan!"
 
2013-01-06 10:51:06 PM  
was walking with his girlfriend into Walmart at around 3 a.m.

That is one romantic fella.
 
2013-01-06 10:52:17 PM  
How would he know it was a pellet gun before being shot? I'm guessing he froze and got lucky it wasn't a real gun.
 
2013-01-06 10:53:06 PM  

gilgigamesh: Damn.  A lot of you farkers could use some lessons in reading comprehension.


It's us, not you.
 
2013-01-06 10:54:42 PM  

CowardlyLion: Not arguing for shooting anyone, ever, but if you're not willing to draw and fire on someone, you should not be carrying a firearm.


You're still a thinking human being capable of discretion. While the guy was genuinely being assaulted, the assault was not immediately considered to be life threatening. Brandishing the firearm in hopes that it would diffuse the situation was prudent,and he could have chosen to pull the trigger had the assault not ceased.
 
2013-01-06 10:55:51 PM  

CaptSS: Let's play Hogan's Alley. Put a pair of sunglasses on to simulate nighttime. After looking at the picture you have .5 seconds to decide which is a pellet gun and which is a firearm and whether you think the thug is going to kill you. (And yes one is a .22 and one is a pellet gun.)
[i.imgur.com image 850x319]

Victim had every right to fire at the suspect as soon as he saw him point the weapon at him. I highly doubt a Grand Jury would indict the victim. Now, if he shot at him while he was fleeing, yeah maybe - but not at the point of confrontation.


One of these suitcases contains a nuclear weapon.

One does not.
us.123rf.com
 
2013-01-06 10:56:03 PM  

oukewldave: How would he know it was a pellet gun before being shot? I'm guessing he froze and got lucky it wasn't a real gun.


maybe he read, "REPLICA" on the side of the gun?

i.ytimg.com
 
2013-01-06 10:57:56 PM  

Shae123: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

F you...please site some specifics, other than your lib opinion.


Put it back in your pants.  I'm not saying responsible gun owners are rare.  I am saying its rare when we have a news story about a potentially very bad situation that gets resolved peacefully and without tragedy because the guy with the gun did the right thing.

Maybe you should read all two sentences you are quoting before spouting off next time, genius.
 
2013-01-06 11:01:13 PM  

joonyer: gilgigamesh: Damn.  A lot of you farkers could use some lessons in reading comprehension.

It's us, not you.


I quoted a line from the article that stated the victim realized he could have shot an innocent bystander and said it was a good thing that tragedy was avoided, and got accused by a half dozen people of being a Nazi sympathizer or something.

So yes.  Yes it is.
 
2013-01-06 11:03:10 PM  

CowardlyLion: Not arguing for shooting anyone, ever, but if you're not willing to draw and fire on someone, you should not be carrying a firearm.

/I'll never be carrying one


I'm not with you on this, discretion is the better part of valour, and in this case discretion was used to avoid endangering a bystander.

If you are always willing to draw and fire, you shouldn't be carrying either.
 
KIA
2013-01-06 11:03:58 PM  
Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked
 
2013-01-06 11:04:19 PM  

FormlessOne: poe_zlaw: Plant Rights Activist: AssAsInAssassin: FTFA: "Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

What the fark does it matter whether he is or isn't a Muslim? How does that make the slightest farking difference? How did this excrement make it past an editor?

Fark, some "journalists" are dumb.

The way I read it it sounds like the author is trying to say it would somehow be better if he is a Muslim. Not sure if that is his intent, but that is how that sentence comes off.

Jesus, fcuikn relax you two. News article/ editor police are worse than the grammar police. He told you a story. You got the information from it. Quit crying about what else he says. Go get yourself a pulitzer if you're so fcuikng good.

Yeah! The ignorance of that writer is just as good as your knowledge!

Seriously, this is why it's becoming harder and harder to find anyone that can write with confidence and competence - because more and more folks are happy to accept such sloppy writing.

I suppose I shouldn't complain, as folks like that are keeping me in kibble, but still, it's always fun to watch someone stand up for incompetence, as if it's somehow defensible. "It's 'Murika! Yer allow'd ta be stupid! Don't yew criticize him - he's just exercisin' his rights as a 'Murikan!"


It's less about trying to hold people to and encourage higher levels of competence than it is about just trying to put someone down in an attempt to look smarter. Although, I did just realize the entire MO of Fark is exactly the topic we are discussing.
 
2013-01-06 11:06:24 PM  
He should have shot him in the face. I'm sure pellet gun boy is really going places in life and is going to make a substantial contribution to society.

Should have saved the taxpayers...
 
2013-01-06 11:07:00 PM  
AWESOME
 
2013-01-06 11:09:06 PM  
Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked

Sorry it took me so long
 
2013-01-06 11:09:32 PM  

KIA: Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked


Absolutely this!
 
2013-01-06 11:12:11 PM  

SenorDan: KIA: Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked

Absolutely this!


Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.
 
2013-01-06 11:12:40 PM  

Hector Remarkable: What's that thing with an "r" that we never use? Oh right, restraint.


You must have read a different article than I did, because this guy is 10 pounds of restraint in a 5 pound sack.
 
2013-01-06 11:13:23 PM  
Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.

AND?
 
2013-01-06 11:13:39 PM  
Is it just me, or is it most concerning that both the headline and the article very clearly assume that the right and expected outcome was for this idiot to be shot by Mohammad? That's not how guns are supposed to be used!! You don't carry them to retaliate against non-lethal attackers, just deter them. Mohammad is clearly a wise man. This is exactly how most concealed carriers would have handled the situation.
 
2013-01-06 11:14:09 PM  

msirois: SenorDan: KIA: Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked

Absolutely this!

Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.


Thinking you can and having done something are two distinctly different things.
Play again after a bit of actual doing.
 
2013-01-06 11:15:35 PM  
That chickenshiat is going to have his pistol stolen because the entire world now knows he's too much of a chickenshiat and candyass to stop you
 
2013-01-06 11:16:07 PM  

KIA: Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked


Doesn't fit the narrative.
 
2013-01-06 11:17:20 PM  

sloshed_again: Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.

AND?


And gun laws don't do anything. You can get a gun anywhere, especially in the states.

snocone: msirois: SenorDan: KIA: Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked

Absolutely this!

Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.

Thinking you can and having done something are two distinctly different things.
Play again after a bit of actual doing.


I'm not thinking I can do anything. I know I can. And it's
50 times easier in the states.
 
2013-01-06 11:18:58 PM  

MJMaloney187: Yeah, I'm calling BS on this story. It's BS.


You're saying the video was staged?
 
2013-01-06 11:19:13 PM  

msirois: SenorDan: KIA: Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked

Absolutely this!

Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.


Walter Sobchek, is that you?
 
2013-01-06 11:19:29 PM  

Hector Remarkable: uncleacid: I think Gandhi would have shot him.

Oh yeah, Gandhi would have blown his freakin' head off - KAPLOOSH!! Few people actually realize what an ill-tempered on-edge hunter/marksman Gandhi was.
No, you didn't want to cross Gandhi.


1.bp.blogspot.com
No more Mr. Passive-Resistance!
 
2013-01-06 11:20:38 PM  
Part of the equation had to be the image of a brown man with a gun standing over a dead white man.
 
2013-01-06 11:21:07 PM  
I came here expecting a article about this guy:

blog.neu.com

And left even more angry.
 
2013-01-06 11:21:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: CaptSS: Let's play Hogan's Alley. Put a pair of sunglasses on to simulate nighttime. After looking at the picture you have .5 seconds to decide which is a pellet gun and which is a firearm and whether you think the thug is going to kill you. (And yes one is a .22 and one is a pellet gun.)
[i.imgur.com image 850x319]

Victim had every right to fire at the suspect as soon as he saw him point the weapon at him. I highly doubt a Grand Jury would indict the victim. Now, if he shot at him while he was fleeing, yeah maybe - but not at the point of confrontation.

One of these suitcases contains a nuclear weapon.

One does not.
[us.123rf.com image 850x762]


Is there a point to your post or did you just want to show us the luggage you inherited from your Meemaw?
 
2013-01-06 11:21:54 PM  
maybe he had drilled this in his head and realized--"hey, no loud pops...i'm not bleeding...it's gonna be hell if i shoot this guy...investigation...bail...etc."

+1 for responsible gun owners.
/i probably wouldn't be at walmart at 3am.
//i probably would have blasted him
 
KIA
2013-01-06 11:22:19 PM  

msirois: Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.


Are you a whackjob?
 
2013-01-06 11:22:23 PM  

ficklefkrfark: msirois: SenorDan: KIA: Why is it that nobody is saying:

Hey, look - a whackjob who wasn't able to get a real gun because the existing laws worked

Absolutely this!

Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.

Walter Sobchek, is that you?


I just watched that the other night haha

The dude abides
 
2013-01-06 11:24:15 PM  

KIA: msirois: Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.

Are you a whackjob?


Not usually no. But people who think that you can't get a gun because of a law are less than smart.
 
2013-01-06 11:26:39 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: oukewldave: How would he know it was a pellet gun before being shot? I'm guessing he froze and got lucky it wasn't a real gun.

maybe he read, "REPLICA" on the side of the gun?

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Wrong Guy Ritchie reference

reviewsfromtheabyss.files.wordpress.com

/Could everyone STOP GETTING SHOT
 
2013-01-06 11:26:59 PM  

Buddha Belly: WhyteRaven74: And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.

Got you in green, man, 'cause you say stuff like this.


I'm upping his "compassion" counter by one.
 
2013-01-06 11:27:40 PM  
Better than photoshop funnyI'm not thinking I can do anything. I know I can. And it's
50 times easier in the states.
 
2013-01-06 11:29:22 PM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.


Bears repeating.
 
2013-01-06 11:29:42 PM  

LesserEvil: Hector Remarkable: uncleacid: I think Gandhi would have shot him.

Oh yeah, Gandhi would have blown his freakin' head off - KAPLOOSH!! Few people actually realize what an ill-tempered on-edge hunter/marksman Gandhi was.
No, you didn't want to cross Gandhi.

[i191.photobucket.com image 320x240]

No more passive resistance! A one man wrecking crew!


*shakes tiny fist of rage*
 
2013-01-06 11:31:11 PM  

sloshed_again: Better than photoshop funnyI'm not thinking I can do anything. I know I can. And it's
50 times easier in the states.


So it's not easy to acquire a firearm in America? Thank you for clearing that up.
 
KIA
2013-01-06 11:32:15 PM  

msirois: Not usually no. But people who think that you can't get a gun because of a law are less than smart.


I thought all guns already had to be registered in Canada. Are you saying that even though Canada spent decades and untold billions of dollars on their gun control programs, you can still buy one at 1 AM from a corner dealer? Wow, that says a lot about enforceability of new laws.

Also, since you're Canadian, you cannot buy any guns in American from any licensed dealer nor from any law-abiding citizen since sales in states must be between state residents - and you're not one. So... you can't just buy a gun here.
 
2013-01-06 11:32:15 PM  

JerkStore: The point everyone is missing is that this is a criminal who was actually obeying the "criminals can't have guns" law.

See? It totally works!


Just as well as the "all gun owners are itching at a chance to empty their magazines into a bad guy" theory holds up
 
2013-01-06 11:32:16 PM  

GoodOmens: I came here expecting a article about this guy:

[blog.neu.com image 796x567]

And left even more angry.


I hate being presented with the idea that I must choose one, and only one, of the three women. If I must, I will have the one on the far left brought to me with a light perfuming.
 
2013-01-06 11:33:54 PM  
resting at home after getting shot by a bb gun beats awaiting manslaughter trial.
 
2013-01-06 11:34:18 PM  

poe_zlaw: It's less about trying to hold people to and encourage higher levels of competence than it is about just trying to put someone down in an attempt to look smarter.


I don't think the writer actually believes the shooter would have been justified if the victim had actually been a Muslim. I do believe journalists and their editors should try to avoid embarrassing mistakes like the one I cited.

I've worked as a proofreader at a newspaper. This is the kind of gaffe I was paid to catch. It's possible to point out these things AND agree with the writer. Try a little nuance. It might do you some good.
 
KIA
2013-01-06 11:34:53 PM  

Harry_Seldon: I hate being presented with the idea that I must choose one, and only one, of the three women. If I must, I will have the one on the far left brought to me with a light perfuming.


Very well, sirrah. I will have the third one from the left brought to me with a case of cold gatorade to rehydrate both of us from exhaustive gymanstics which shall follow.
 
2013-01-06 11:36:14 PM  

AirForceVet: gilgigamesh: A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

Completely agree with you there. He held his fire, kept his weapon holstered and noted a bystander could have been in the line of fire.


But it was not a rare example at all. On the contrary, most gun owners are responsible.

If most American gun owners were the type of imbeciles that many farkers believe they are, there would be a whole shtload of dead farkers and blood running in the streets ;)
 
2013-01-06 11:36:17 PM  

KIA: msirois: Not usually no. But people who think that you can't get a gun because of a law are less than smart.

I thought all guns already had to be registered in Canada. Are you saying that even though Canada spent decades and untold billions of dollars on their gun control programs, you can still buy one at 1 AM from a corner dealer? Wow, that says a lot about enforceability of new laws.

Also, since you're Canadian, you cannot buy any guns in American from any licensed dealer nor from any law-abiding citizen since sales in states must be between state residents - and you're not one. So... you can't just buy a gun here.


These are exactly my points. Despite all this. Anyone can get a gun. I can "just buy a gun" here or there. If you didn't know this, you have no idea what goes on outside.
 
2013-01-06 11:36:52 PM  

FormlessOne: poe_zlaw: Plant Rights Activist: AssAsInAssassin: FTFA: "Mohammed will have surgery to remove a few of the pellets, and the most lasting pain will be the trauma of being the victim of a hate crime - one in which he was shot in the face for being something that he isn't."

What the fark does it matter whether he is or isn't a Muslim? How does that make the slightest farking difference? How did this excrement make it past an editor?

Fark, some "journalists" are dumb.

The way I read it it sounds like the author is trying to say it would somehow be better if he is a Muslim. Not sure if that is his intent, but that is how that sentence comes off.

Jesus, fcuikn relax you two. News article/ editor police are worse than the grammar police. He told you a story. You got the information from it. Quit crying about what else he says. Go get yourself a pulitzer if you're so fcuikng good.

Yeah! The ignorance of that writer is just as good as your knowledge!

Seriously, this is why it's becoming harder and harder to find anyone that can write with confidence and competence - because more and more folks are happy to accept such sloppy writing.

I suppose I shouldn't complain, as folks like that are keeping me in kibble, but still, it's always fun to watch someone stand up for incompetence, as if it's somehow defensible. "It's 'Murika! Yer allow'd ta be stupid! Don't yew criticize him - he's just exercisin' his rights as a 'Murikan!"


Protip: You not liking his writing style doesn't automatically make the reporter incompetent or stupid.
 
2013-01-06 11:37:11 PM  
He wasn't trying to kill Mohammed, he was trying to harass him. He didn't count on him having a gun to defend himself. Anyone saying this is proof that criminals can't get guns is delusional or disingenuous.
 
2013-01-06 11:38:10 PM  
So it's not easy to acquire a firearm in America? Thank you for clearing that up.

EASY to get a GAT but use it and see what happens.
 
2013-01-06 11:39:16 PM  

msirois: KIA: msirois: Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.

Are you a whackjob?

Not usually no. But people who think that you can't get a gun because of a law are less than smart.


Nobody thinks that.
 
2013-01-06 11:42:08 PM  

lewismarktwo: He wasn't trying to kill Mohammed, he was trying to harass him. He didn't count on him having a gun to defend himself. Anyone saying this is proof that criminals can't get guns is delusional or disingenuous.


Don't say that on here ! Apparently you can't get a gun in the states. Only good Americans can get guns. All those killings and drug deal killings, mass murders etc etc etc ad nauseum were done with registered guns by the registered owners.
 
KIA
2013-01-06 11:48:08 PM  

msirois: I can "just buy a gun" here or there.


No. You can't just buy a gun here. Try it sometime, see what happens.
 
2013-01-06 11:48:12 PM  

gilgigamesh: joonyer: gilgigamesh: Damn.  A lot of you farkers could use some lessons in reading comprehension.

It's us, not you.

I quoted a line from the article that stated the victim realized he could have shot an innocent bystander and said it was a good thing that tragedy was avoided, and got accused by a half dozen people of being a Nazi sympathizer or something.

So yes.  Yes it is.


Sleep well.
 
2013-01-06 11:52:03 PM  
I missed something. ITG?
 
2013-01-06 11:52:06 PM  

glennizen: AirForceVet: gilgigamesh: A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

Completely agree with you there. He held his fire, kept his weapon holstered and noted a bystander could have been in the line of fire.

But it was not a rare example at all. On the contrary, most gun owners are responsible.

If most American gun owners were the type of imbeciles that many farkers believe they are, there would be a whole shtload of dead farkers and blood running in the streets ;)


Two kinds of people who should not own guns:

Those who are too afraid to use one.

Those who are too eager.

I haven't been here long, but I've come to the conclusion that a lot of farkers seem to believe all gun owners fall into the second category.
 
2013-01-06 11:52:32 PM  
You know, Mr Mohammad here really deserves the props. Being targeted as a Muslim, having the vision to see the innocent and the prophetic calm to realize it wasn't a weapon all while out with his young girl friend who he had provided clear instructions too and she followed is amazing.
 
2013-01-07 12:03:29 AM  

msirois: KIA: msirois: Not usually no. But people who think that you can't get a gun because of a law are less than smart.

I thought all guns already had to be registered in Canada. Are you saying that even though Canada spent decades and untold billions of dollars on their gun control programs, you can still buy one at 1 AM from a corner dealer? Wow, that says a lot about enforceability of new laws.

Also, since you're Canadian, you cannot buy any guns in American from any licensed dealer nor from any law-abiding citizen since sales in states must be between state residents - and you're not one. So... you can't just buy a gun here.

These are exactly my points. Despite all this. Anyone can get a gun. I can "just buy a gun" here or there. If you didn't know this, you have no idea what goes on outside.



Canada has a growing gun problem. Although I suppose many Americans imagine that firearms in Canuckistan are fiercely regulated - the truth is that over the last couple of decades, restrictions on firearms have been loosening instead of getting tighter.

The problem, to be succinct, is not just regulation of firearms (It's a pain in the ass to get one in Canada), but the elimination of them. The fact's are that 50% of gun crimes are commited with guns stolen from registered owners (with the other significant number of crimes being committed with illegally smuggled weapons from America)

Gun control in Australia (where I happen to live these days) has been very succesful because of two primary reasons:
1) Buying back guns (Reduction in the number of guns out there means less can be used for crime, duh)
2) Doesn't share a border with America (It's hard to reduce gun violence when gun smuggling is so easy)

Bans work. Might not like 'em, but they work - regulation is mostly just a pain in the bum.
 
2013-01-07 12:04:17 AM  

msirois: KIA: msirois: Because that's stupid. I live in Canada in a city of about 100,000 and I can walk down the street right now at 1am and get a gun.

Are you a whackjob?

Not usually no. But people who think that you can't get a gun because of a law are less than smart.


It wasn't just that he "couldn't get a gun"; it's that if he had had a real gun on him during this arrest, he'd have gone to jail pretty much forever.

Understand?
 
2013-01-07 12:08:40 AM  
FTFA: That didn't matter to Quinnell, who told police that "they're all the same" after being informed that Mohammed isn't Muslim.

He's not Muslim, Quinell. I mean, do a little research; be certain what you're shooting at. We can't just have people attacking non-Muslims. Non-Muslims have rights in our society!

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-01-07 12:08:53 AM  
Man, that guy deserves a big oversized HERO tag. If ever there was a straight up example of good christian "turn the other cheek" it was this Mohammed. Everyone should buy him a beer.

Also, very entertaining how he managed to prove bible-thumpers, xenophobes AND gun-control nuts ALL wrong with one simple choice.
 
2013-01-07 12:13:43 AM  

CowardlyLion: Not arguing for shooting anyone, ever, but if you're not willing to draw and fire on someone, you should not be carrying a firearm.

/I'll never be carrying one


I would never own a firearm because i feel too many people need and/or deserve shooting or killing.
----
People in the thread all angry at the guy making racist remarks - yeah right like you've never told the wrong joke or never made a racial slur. Go fark yourselves you hypocrites. In America you can be what you want to be and speak your mind. Both you and him have that privilege. Don't be a hypocrite. People say nasty things, people are nasty some times. It's our nature. it's bullshiat to think you can't express yourself or think different thoughts. Never seen a comedian? Get real. Everyone has likes and dislikes. Don't be a finger pointing hypocrite, I say to those folks. Go outside, look around. A good portion of the population are fools and cartoon characters. Don't pretend there aren't types that don't piss you off royally, folks. Politically correct namby-pamby pantywaists, some people. You don't love everyone and you never did, I say to these people.
 
2013-01-07 12:26:16 AM  
So, the libtards in here are pissed that the guy didn't shoot Mr. Quinnell? I thought that's what they wanted, a criminal to be able to do what he wants without retribution, you know, let the law sort it out.

My head hurts.
 
2013-01-07 12:30:54 AM  

ciberido: Protip: You not liking his writing style doesn't automatically make the reporter incompetent or stupid.


ProTip: Writing a sentence that implies the crime might have been mitigated had the victim been Muslim does make the writer a tad less than competent. This is not to say he isn't an otherwise good reporter, or that he should look for another job, or that the newspaper should be boycotted, or that anyone should get their panties in a tight little bunch like yours are.

Jesus. I merely pointed out that the writer wrote something badly, that came off as insensitive. It's what I do--literally. I am a proofreader. I proofread. I passed judgment only on the writer's style, not on his point of view. Please, try to compartmentalize your anger. You'll find the world works better when you can see several viewpoints simultaneously, rather than making everything black or white, us or them.

Take a nap.
 
2013-01-07 12:36:16 AM  

Tumunga: My head hurts.


not enough. needs more brain cancer.
 
2013-01-07 12:36:31 AM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


To be honest, if I'm carrying and someone pulls a gun on me, I'm not waiting to find out if it's a pellet gun or a .45. I'm drawing first and living.
 
2013-01-07 12:38:58 AM  
The entire concept of hate crime bothers me. It defines one human being as more valuable than another. Murder is murder. If a person kills a victim because he has blue eyes, is that a hate crime? If a person kills a victim because he has brown skin, that all of a sudden is a hate crime. In both cases the murderer is crazy, the murderer is guilty of the same crime, not two different ones where one is worse than the other.
 
2013-01-07 12:49:58 AM  

walkerhound: It's enough for him to know he could've blown the guy away if he had no choice.


I'm sure had he pulled the gun, this Daniel Quinnell guy would've run from the premises screaming like a little girl.
 
2013-01-07 12:51:05 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

To be honest, if I'm carrying and someone pulls a gun on me, I'm not waiting to find out if it's a pellet gun or a .45. I'm drawing first and living.


My b*tch would've already taken the perp out with the .38 holmes, you bonus! Too slow an you gotta go - I'm sayin'.

/adjusts outerwear in a confident, dominating gesture
/!!!!!!
 
2013-01-07 12:53:35 AM  

Plusone: CSB time

My dad was a postal worker. While carrying mail in an apartment complex one day a 17 year old from a 2nd story shot him with a pellet rifle. It went in through his rib cage and was only a few inches from puncturing his lung. Well the police didn't take it to serious and some how the kid got let go. Fast foward a few years and the guy ended up killing 3 women and was on the run for 15+ years


A pellet rifle went through his clothing, skin, as well as ribs and/or intercostal muscles, and was a federal government employee who was on duty at the time, and only the local cops got involved? And they caught the person responsible, but just let him go?

You're leaving a lot out of that story, or you made it up.
 
2013-01-07 12:56:37 AM  
I think his response makes perfect sense. He got shot and then by the time he could have fired back the assailant was already running away. There would have been no point, it was over, the threat was gone. In other words his gun offered no protection from an attack like this.
 
2013-01-07 01:04:29 AM  

ekdikeo4: I'm sure had he pulled the gun, this Daniel Quinnell guy would've run from the premises screaming like a little girl.


I agree. My point is What happens the next time this situation comes up with two different people.
 
2013-01-07 01:22:49 AM  

BSABSVR: Especially once the Fark ITG contingent show up to talk about all the badassery that they would have thrown down on him.


That's the shortest launch into derpville I've ever seen. Grats.
 
2013-01-07 01:26:54 AM  
Meet Daniel Quinnell, the luckiest asshole in 'Merika

img.dailymail.co.uk

Let's see how lucky his asshole feels after a few nights with his new cellblock besties.
 
2013-01-07 01:33:03 AM  
Only in America would it be described as 'bizarre' when you decide not to shoot someone when you have a few pellets shot at you.
 
2013-01-07 01:37:33 AM  

gilgigamesh: A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


A tragedy for Quinnell. Blessing for anyone who might have to deal with his tard ass in the future. Unfortunately, I doubt prison is going to mellow him out.
 
2013-01-07 01:45:06 AM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


Citation please.
 
2013-01-07 01:48:35 AM  

KIA: msirois: I can "just buy a gun" here or there.

No. You can't just buy a gun here. Try it sometime, see what happens.


If you know the right people it's fairly easy. Not hard to locate private sellers, even if you don't know anyone, with sites llike armslist.com and etc.
So yeah, I can go out and buy a gun tomorrow, without waiting, registering, licensing, etc.

/unless by "here", you're talking Canadia or something
 
2013-01-07 01:52:44 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.

Absolutely. I'd like to think that in the same situation, I'd be calm enough to NOT kill someone who (despite being a grade-A asshole) wasn't actually threatening my life. And like other Farkers here, I would totally understand if he had sent this clown to the morgue, where be probably belongs.

I really, really, really hope that Quinnell thinks for a long time about what he did and what could have happened to him. He owes his life to the decency of one of the people he hates so much. He'd best not forget that, because he probably won't be so lucky the next time he behaves this way.

And as for Mr. Mohammed, he remembered the words of Gandalf. Hopefully Quinnell can make himself useful by throwing himself into an active volcano in the next movie.....


I wish I could "Smart" this twice. Unfortunately, 10 arrests in 6 years makes me think Mr. Quinnell has a severe personality disorder that is probably beyond fixing. My more humble hope is that the knowledge he could've been shot will be enough to scare him and make him reconsider similar attacks in the future.
 
2013-01-07 02:05:19 AM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


Oh, you're cute. Rare? How rare? "Most" people "would have"? (Hypothetical slipped in as fact?)

Please, give us some actual statistics to support your statements. Otherwise just STFU with the weasel-words.
 
2013-01-07 02:06:55 AM  

BojanglesPaladin: Man, that guy deserves a big oversized HERO tag. If ever there was a straight up example of good christian "turn the other cheek" it was this Mohammed. Everyone should buy him a beer.

Also, very entertaining how he managed to prove bible-thumpers, xenophobes AND gun-control nuts ALL wrong with one simple choice.


Actually, I don't see how his actions prove gun-control advocates wrong at all.

"It's too easy for assholes to get guns" is not the same statement as "all people with guns are assholes."
 
2013-01-07 02:08:48 AM  
This demonstrates that even if you're packing heat for self defence you're still farked if you're dealing with a psycho who is suddenly going to unexpectedly draw and start shooting you.

It also demonstrates that Cameron Mohammed has super human restraint. Got shot in the face and neck from something that looks like a real gun, in the dark,  and doesn't sound too dissimilar to a real gun with a silencer and he didn't return fire. I can't honestly say for sure that I'd be so level headed in that situation. I'd probably have returned fire before realizing I'd only been shot by a toy.
 
2013-01-07 02:14:28 AM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


Actually, people, I think we have all been trolled, in the real sense of the word. gilgigamesh's single initial post and two "spin" followup posts has 17 (and counting) responses, including mine. 10/10 Magnificent. A work of art.
 
2013-01-07 02:20:59 AM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.


He has compassion for retards which can't be easy.
 
2013-01-07 02:22:02 AM  

Harry_Seldon: basemetal: NOTHING good can come from going to WalMart at 3:00am.

Satisfy late night Slim Jim craving.


Those things are nasty. You'd be better off buying a pack of smokes.
 
2013-01-07 02:29:56 AM  

sloshed_again: Does it matter what you are or who you are?


Unfortunately, it does matter in some parts of Florida.
 
2013-01-07 02:30:51 AM  
The Tampa Bay police say the "pellet gun" is an airsoft gun, but the video also says they are looking for the suspect, so maybe it's early-bad info. A pellet gun with metal slugs could mess you up.
 
2013-01-07 02:36:33 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: That chickenshiat is going to have his pistol stolen because the entire world now knows he's too much of a chickenshiat and candyass to stop you


I disagree. I think it is a good thing that he decided to not risk hitting an innocent bystander. His attacker was fleeing and he wasn't sure he could take a clear shot.

Maybe I just got trolled, but I'm not comfortable with the idea that one must start firing before assessing the situation.
 
2013-01-07 02:38:13 AM  

Bucky Katt: sloshed_again: Does it matter what you are or who you are?

Unfortunately, it does matter in some parts of Florida.



Not just in Florida.
 
2013-01-07 02:49:21 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

Oh, you're cute. Rare? How rare? "Most" people "would have"? (Hypothetical slipped in as fact?)

Please, give us some actual statistics to support your statements. Otherwise just STFU with the weasel-words.


The reporter thought it was rare, because he used the words "bizarre" and "hard to reconcile".
 
2013-01-07 03:03:23 AM  

Bucky Katt: Harry_Seldon: basemetal: NOTHING good can come from going to WalMart at 3:00am.

Satisfy late night Slim Jim craving.

Those things are nasty. You'd be better off buying a pack of smokes.


Do they contained mechanically rendered animal parts?
 
2013-01-07 03:10:09 AM  
I fondly recall this one Fark thread where a bunch of conservatives were masturbating about how shooting an unarmed shoplifter who stole a bottle of liquor was justified. They truly had no problem with ending someones life over a handle.

Good times, I'd love to see their reactions to this.
 
2013-01-07 04:07:43 AM  
thanks for that pro gun propaganda Gawker...

"see, not all gun wielding people are bad?"

/keep the guns
//but get a licence to breed
///test on monday
 
2013-01-07 04:15:29 AM  

msirois: He should have shot him in the face. I'm sure pellet gun boy is really going places in life and is going to make a substantial contribution to society.


Sadly, yes, he should've shot him in the face. The next victim Mr. Quinnel attacks may not be as fortunate as the one in the story.
 
2013-01-07 04:29:40 AM  

Plusone: CSB time

My dad was a postal worker. While carrying mail in an apartment complex one day a 17 year old from a 2nd story shot him with a pellet rifle. It went in through his rib cage and was only a few inches from puncturing his lung. Well the police didn't take it to serious and some how the kid got let go. Fast foward a few years and the guy ended up killing 3 women and was on the run for 15+ years


I don't believe you. Postal workers are federal employees and it's a Federal crime to fark with them and they have their own Police Force.  A postal worker being shot would have not been handled by the local police.
 
2013-01-07 04:33:57 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: thanks for that pro gun propaganda Gawker...

"see, not all gun wielding people are bad?"


I think it shows how much more responsible your average CCW holder is than your average cop. He kept his cool and made a perfectly rational decision. One that came at the cost to his own well being, but happened to work out best for everyone involved.
Any cop would have opened fire, and been well justified to do so.

/The sad part is that people in our government would gladly disarm one of these men.
/and it wouldn't be the racist criminal nutjob....
 
2013-01-07 05:56:33 AM  
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
 
2013-01-07 06:38:49 AM  

borg: Plusone: CSB time

My dad was a postal worker. While carrying mail in an apartment complex one day a 17 year old from a 2nd story shot him with a pellet rifle. It went in through his rib cage and was only a few inches from puncturing his lung. Well the police didn't take it to serious and some how the kid got let go. Fast foward a few years and the guy ended up killing 3 women and was on the run for 15+ years

I don't believe you. Postal workers are federal employees and it's a Federal crime to fark with them and they have their own Police Force.  A postal worker being shot would have not been handled by the local police.


I knew a kid that got probation for shooting a tree from out of his window. So... yeah.
 
2013-01-07 07:10:07 AM  
sidesalad.net

That's not a real gun, is it Clark?
Are you kidding? This is a Magnum P.I.
It's a BB gun!
Don't tempt me. I could put an eye out with this thing.
You couldn't even break the skin with that thing.
/Disappointed this wasn't already posted.
 
2013-01-07 07:13:48 AM  

lewismarktwo: I knew a kid that got probation for shooting a tree from out of his window. So... yeah.


Yeah, but if the tree fit through his window it must have been a pretty small tree.
 
2013-01-07 08:08:07 AM  
See this is the guy that shouldn't have a conceal carry permit.

Why carry a gun is you aren't prepared to use it when attacked. Was he not trained?

Its as stupid as carrying around an unloaded gun for protection.
 
2013-01-07 08:08:40 AM  
If Mohammad had followed the NRA recommendations for concealed weaponry and fired wildly into the air every couple minutes, this wouldn't have happened.
 
2013-01-07 08:10:15 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: lewismarktwo: I knew a kid that got probation for shooting a tree from out of his window. So... yeah.

Yeah, but if the tree fit through his window it must have been a pretty small tree.


Even as I typed it, I knew.
 
2013-01-07 08:11:39 AM  

lewismarktwo: I knew a kid that got probation for shooting a tree from out of his window. So... yeah.


This wouldn't have happened had the tree and all the tress around it been armed. Also, the house. Arm the house. Big dick house gun. For protection.
 
2013-01-07 08:13:07 AM  
Bumper stickers telling me to keep honking because frustrated gun owners in cars are reloading wouldn't have happened had I been armed and honking.
 
2013-01-07 08:34:55 AM  
img40.imageshack.us

Can't decide between RIP PROFESSOR QUIRRELL or "Troll in the thread ... thought you should know"

/late to the party
//not my fault I have to sleep sometimes
///oh well
 
2013-01-07 08:41:39 AM  

Buffalo77: See this is the guy that shouldn't have a conceal carry permit.

Why carry a gun is you aren't prepared to use it when attacked. Was he not trained?

Its as stupid as carrying around an unloaded gun for protection.


depends on whether he froze or recognized a non-lethal threat.
/I do have a friend that carries but doesn't chamber a round. I tell him he has better odds if he just throws the gun at an attacker
 
2013-01-07 09:02:28 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

Oh, you're cute. Rare? How rare? "Most" people "would have"? (Hypothetical slipped in as fact?)

Please, give us some actual statistics to support your statements. Otherwise just STFU with the weasel-words.


Obviously this guy is not a responsible gun owner since a responsible gun owner that has a concealed carry permit is a crack shot and can hit a fleeing target even if there are bystanders around the line of fire. I've been told by many farkers in numerous gun threads that they are way better shots than cops because they spend copious amounts of time at the range just to make sure that they hit their targets in situations like this.

/amirite?
 
2013-01-07 09:04:33 AM  
As a felon, Quinnell was banned from carrying firearms. That's why, he told deputies Thursday night, he carried the pellet gun instead.

Funny, I was sure criminals don't respect gun laws.
 
2013-01-07 09:13:03 AM  

PsyLord: I've been told by many farkers in numerous gun threads that they are way better shots than cops because they spend copious amounts of time at the range just to make sure that they hit their targets in situations like this.


Time that cops should probably spend, considering that their accuracy far worse but their risk for a violent encounter is much higher.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-01-07 09:29:55 AM  

Irving Maimway: Cameron Mohammed is a better man than I am.


allow me to also echo this
 
2013-01-07 09:33:35 AM  
Cameron Mohammed for Congress!


'Bout time we get somebody that isn't "trigger-happy".
 
2013-01-07 09:39:56 AM  
Give the guy a break on the not drawing and firing nonsense. Firstly you have no idea how you would react in the exact same situation trained or not. Secondly, I may have read TFA wrong but it seems to me he was hit by BBs on the first shot before he had his hand on his gun. I'm guessing that he was pretty sure that it was a non-lethal weapon but was ready to draw and fire if the situation changed.
 
2013-01-07 09:42:04 AM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


I think the real tragedy is that Daniel Quinnell is still alive. Seems to me that society as a whole would be better off without him.
 
2013-01-07 09:48:17 AM  

Buffalo77: See this is the guy that shouldn't have a conceal carry permit.

Why carry a gun is you aren't prepared to use it when attacked. Was he not trained?

Its as stupid as carrying around an unloaded gun for protection.


Where wolf: depends on whether he froze or recognized a non-lethal threat.


Just took my CHL course yesterday. He would have been completely justified had he shot him and I think he showed tremendous self control.
 
2013-01-07 09:54:58 AM  

JohnnyC: Daniel Quinnell... is a farking loser. I hope he never manages to breed.


It's Florida, man. Skinheads breed down there like the vermin that they are.
 
2013-01-07 09:58:42 AM  

Egoy3k: Give the guy a break on the not drawing and firing nonsense. Firstly you have no idea how you would react in the exact same situation trained or not. Secondly, I may have read TFA wrong but it seems to me he was hit by BBs on the first shot before he had his hand on his gun. I'm guessing that he was pretty sure that it was a non-lethal weapon but was ready to draw and fire if the situation changed.


THIS

He was there, he made the decision. The only problem I have is all the gun grabbers in this thread trying to make this an example of "the ONLY responsible choice a gun owner should be allowed to make," when blowing the punk's head off would have been an equally responsible choice in this situation.

/but then, making everyone except the noble classes a helpless victim is the goal of the progressive left
//and every news story, including this one, will be used as a weapon toward that goal
 
2013-01-07 10:03:15 AM  

CheekyMonkey: gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.

I think the real tragedy is that Daniel Quinnell is still alive. Seems to me that society as a whole would be better off without him.


Agreed, but according to the victim he didn't have a clear shot and his attacker ran off. So He used his discretion and left the job of man hunting to the cops.

Having the gun may have prevented a worse outcome tho. I'm curious what made the attacker run, and the victim reaching for his waist was probably it.

/people want the option to be armed.
/but being armed isn't an obligation to use force.
 
2013-01-07 10:09:37 AM  
He should have dropped a one-liner on him right before he blasted him, then he would be a real hero.

Sort of like how in Crocodile Dundee, when the bad guy pulls out a knife and he tells him "that's not a knife, this is a knife". Something like that.

Maybe "Allah Akbar, Mother F*cker!"
 
2013-01-07 10:12:39 AM  

Egoy3k: Give the guy a break on the not drawing and firing nonsense. Firstly you have no idea how you would react in the exact same situation trained or not.


Didn't you read any comments after the movie theater massacre? Every single guy online would have calmly drawn his pistol and safely put one shot into the guy's face because real life is exactly like a range. Then everyone in the theater would applaud and everyone who was ever mean to them in high school would be sorry.
 
2013-01-07 10:29:22 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Egoy3k: Give the guy a break on the not drawing and firing nonsense. Firstly you have no idea how you would react in the exact same situation trained or not.

Didn't you read any comments after the movie theater massacre? Every single guy online would have calmly drawn his pistol and safely put one shot into the guy's face because real life is exactly like a range. Then everyone in the theater would applaud and everyone who was ever mean to them in high school would be sorry.


Oh yeah and you forgot that all of the hot chicks in the theater would have totally banged them too.

This is pretty much the problem with both sides of this debate. Simply put guns are not as closely related to crime statistics as either side of the debate would like us to believe. In this instance I think the gun was used by an innocent man to help protect himself and his girlfriend from serious injury.
 
2013-01-07 10:51:08 AM  

mizchief: You defend your self with deadly force to prevent a forceable felony.

As defined in FL:

776.08 Forcible felony.

"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

I think being attacked with pellet gun would be an aggravated assault, so he would be able to kill the guy and not be prosecuted.

But as all concealed carry permit holders know, you only fire as a last resort, as killing someone under any circumstance is a major hassle and would at least cost you a few thousand dollars in legal defense. Not to mention the emotional trauma associated with talking a life.


That last one is what would give me pause to pull the trigger. There's no "reload game" IRL.
 
2013-01-07 10:56:48 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Egoy3k: Give the guy a break on the not drawing and firing nonsense. Firstly you have no idea how you would react in the exact same situation trained or not.

Didn't you read any comments after the movie theater massacre? Every single guy online would have calmly drawn his pistol and safely put one shot into the guy's face because real life is exactly like a range. Then everyone in the theater would applaud and everyone who was ever mean to them in high school would be sorry.


They had to shoot him in the face. He was wearing MKIV power armor with an iron halo to boot!
 
2013-01-07 11:24:12 AM  

OscarTamerz: Meet Daniel Quinnell, the luckiest asshole in 'Merika

[img.dailymail.co.uk image 300x360]

Let's see how lucky his asshole feels after a few nights with his new cellblock besties.


With as many convictions as that idiot has, I'm pretty sure he likes that. Why else would he keep going back?
 
2013-01-07 11:40:19 AM  

Plusone: CSB time

My dad was a postal worker. While carrying mail in an apartment complex one day a 17 year old from a 2nd story shot him with a pellet rifle. It went in through his rib cage and was only a few inches from puncturing his lung. Well the police didn't take it to serious and some how the kid got let go. Fast foward a few years and the guy ended up killing 3 women and was on the run for 15+ years


FWIW if you hold a butter knife against your ribcage you are "within a few inches of puncturing your lung", but still, CSB.
 
2013-01-07 01:20:33 PM  

CaptSS: Victim had every right to fire at the suspect as soon as he saw him point the weapon at him.


USA USA USA!!!!
 
2013-01-07 01:28:58 PM  

MaritimeGirl: The entire concept of hate crime bothers me. It defines one human being as more valuable than another. Murder is murder. If a person kills a victim because he has blue eyes, is that a hate crime? If a person kills a victim because he has brown skin, that all of a sudden is a hate crime. In both cases the murderer is crazy, the murderer is guilty of the same crime, not two different ones where one is worse than the other.


It's not about the victim themselves. It's about the intent to frighten others like the victim into behaving as the criminal wants them to. For example, this guy yelling about a "n----- with a white girl" suggests that he wanted this victim to be a symbol of what happens to black guys who date white women, and scare black people into not dating white people. It's similar to terrorism in that the goal is greater than the immediate crime; it's meant to frighten the populace, which is a more serious crime than simply hurting one person.

Whether you can prove intent is another story, but I think at their core, hate-crime laws are a good thing.
 
2013-01-07 01:36:04 PM  

gilgigamesh: After taking two pellets to his head and neck, Mohammed stands and watches the man flee, then notices a bystander who could have been hit if Mohammed had taken a shot. His hand is on his gun. But it stays in the holster.

A rare example of a responsible gun owner. Most people in this situation probably would have caused a tragedy here.


No kidding. If more gun owners were this responsible, we wouldn't have tens of millions of gun deaths every year.
 
2013-01-07 02:48:58 PM  

umad: tens of millions of gun deaths every year.


How many?
 
2013-01-07 02:54:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: umad: tens of millions of gun deaths every year.

How many?


The tens of millions that obviously happen since most gun owners aren't this responsible. Tens is probably underestimating a bit. We have to be killing our entire population every five years or so at least.
 
2013-01-07 02:58:39 PM  

Red_Fox: CaptSS: Victim had every right to fire at the suspect as soon as he saw him point the weapon at him.

USA USA USA!!!!


Damn straight!
 
2013-01-07 03:00:56 PM  

Chinchillazilla: MaritimeGirl: The entire concept of hate crime bothers me. It defines one human being as more valuable than another. Murder is murder. If a person kills a victim because he has blue eyes, is that a hate crime? If a person kills a victim because he has brown skin, that all of a sudden is a hate crime. In both cases the murderer is crazy, the murderer is guilty of the same crime, not two different ones where one is worse than the other.

It's not about the victim themselves. It's about the intent to frighten others like the victim into behaving as the criminal wants them to. For example, this guy yelling about a "n----- with a white girl" suggests that he wanted this victim to be a symbol of what happens to black guys who date white women, and scare black people into not dating white people. It's similar to terrorism in that the goal is greater than the immediate crime; it's meant to frighten the populace, which is a more serious crime than simply hurting one person.

Whether you can prove intent is another story, but I think at their core, hate-crime laws are a good thing.


That's a pretty good explanation.
 
2013-01-07 03:03:29 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Tumunga: My head hurts.

not enough. needs more brain cancer.


No thanks. I've already eaten.

home.comcast.net
Is that Simon Crowel??
 
2013-01-07 04:43:50 PM  

vodka: I think his response makes perfect sense. He got shot and then by the time he could have fired back the assailant was already running away. There would have been no point, it was over, the threat was gone. In other words his gun offered no protection from an attack like this.


We have a winner!
Remarkable good sense.
Since I have been ambushed IRL, on occasion, I am getting a kick,,,
 
2013-01-07 05:19:15 PM  
I really like you

WhyteRaven74: And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.


You should have been added to my faves eons ago, but as it is, you are added today. Thank you and keep the peace and the sane vibe.
 
2013-01-07 05:27:12 PM  

specialkae: I really like you WhyteRaven74: And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.

You should have been added to my faves eons ago, but as it is, you are added today. Thank you and keep the peace and the sane vibe.


I am a political polar opposite of WhyteRaven74 in many ways, and I will still vouch that he is indeed a completely awesome human being.
 
2013-01-07 05:27:22 PM  
He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)
 
2013-01-07 05:42:29 PM  

mizchief: But as all concealed carry permit holders know, you only fire as a last resort, as killing someone under any circumstance is a major hassle and would at least cost you a few thousand dollars in legal defense.


Not to mention the possible civil ramifications...a point hammered home quite a bit in my class.
 
2013-01-07 05:46:06 PM  

Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)


AKA Two hugs and a kiss
 
2013-01-07 05:46:12 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Actually, I don't see how his actions prove gun-control advocates wrong at all.

"It's too easy for assholes to get guns" is not the same statement as "all people with guns are assholes."


I mean more the implied assumption among many gun-control zealots that the average joe can't be relied upon to restrain himself from blasting away at the slightest provocation and that more people armed will absolutely mean more minor conflicts end in gunfights.
 
2013-01-07 05:50:03 PM  

R.A.Danny: specialkae: I really like you WhyteRaven74: And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.

You should have been added to my faves eons ago, but as it is, you are added today. Thank you and keep the peace and the sane vibe.

I am a political polar opposite of WhyteRaven74 in many ways, and I will still vouch that he is indeed a completely awesome human being.


I love this post, so very much
 
2013-01-07 05:54:25 PM  

Phoenix_M: Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)

AKA Two hugs and a kiss


I have to admit I never heard that, but I like it. They mostly just drilled double tap into our heads over and over and there seemed to always be someone who would only tap once which would earn us some team work discipline work out time.
 
2013-01-07 05:55:15 PM  

Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)


Thanks for explaining that. i was wondering about the terminology and then I read the rest of your sentence. You sound really dangerous and like someone I DEFINITELY want on my side in a situation where a "triple tap" would be necessary.!
 
2013-01-07 05:57:08 PM  

specialkae: R.A.Danny: specialkae: I really like you WhyteRaven74: And this, is justice. Shooting and likely killing the guy would just be vengeance not justice. And vengeance gets you nowhere.

You should have been added to my faves eons ago, but as it is, you are added today. Thank you and keep the peace and the sane vibe.

I am a political polar opposite of WhyteRaven74 in many ways, and I will still vouch that he is indeed a completely awesome human being.

I love this post, so very much


Thanks so much! I am *hearting* all of Fark so much that it's a shame my meds/whiskey ran out!
 
2013-01-07 06:17:39 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)

Thanks for explaining that. i was wondering about the terminology and then I read the rest of your sentence. You sound really dangerous and like someone I DEFINITELY want on my side in a situation where a "triple tap" would be necessary.!


chortle.
 
2013-01-07 09:42:20 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: Jesus. I merely pointed out that the writer wrote something badly, that came off as insensitive. It's what I do--literally. I am a proofreader. I proofread. I passed judgment only on the writer's style, not on his point of view. Please, try to compartmentalize your anger. You'll find the world works better when you can see several viewpoints simultaneously, rather than making everything black or white, us or them.

Take a nap.


I see you can't take what you dish out.

If you want to be an opinionated jerk, that's fine.  This is Fark after all.  But it looks pretty pathetic when you tear into someone like you did and then go all "waaah!  Poor persecuted me!" when someone calls you on it.

Take a nap?  Grow some thicker skin or don't dash into the kitchen.
 
2013-01-07 10:08:58 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Hickory-smoked: Actually, I don't see how his actions prove gun-control advocates wrong at all.

"It's too easy for assholes to get guns" is not the same statement as "all people with guns are assholes."

I mean more the implied assumption among many gun-control zealots that the average joe can't be relied upon to restrain himself from blasting away at the slightest provocation and that more people armed will absolutely mean more minor conflicts end in gunfights.


Wel, again... that argument does not rely on the premise that all gun owners are irresponsible psychopaths, just that the number of irresponsible gun owning psychopaths is higher than optimal.
 
2013-01-07 10:37:28 PM  

MaritimeGirl: The entire concept of hate crime bothers me. It defines one human being as more valuable than another.


No, it doesn't.  What makes a crime a hate crime is what was going on in the mind of the perpetrator.  Much like how accidentally killing someone with a car is usually manslaughter, whereas intentionally killing someone with a car is usually murder.  Charging someone who accidentally killed Bob with a car with manslaughter while charging someone who intentionally ran over Alice with murder has nothing to do with Alice being any more valuable than Bob.


MaritimeGirl:   Murder is murder.

No, it isn't. The legal concept that there are different kinds of murder (as well as acts of killing which are not murder) goes back to  Hammurabi (and probably is much older than that).


MaritimeGirl:   If a person kills a victim because he has blue eyes, is that a hate crime?

It would be, yes, if there were systemic bigotry against blue-eyed people.
 
2013-01-07 10:41:40 PM  

Buffalo77: See this is the guy that shouldn't have a conceal carry permit.

Why carry a gun is you aren't prepared to use it when attacked. Was he not trained?

Its as stupid as carrying around an unloaded gun for protection.


So your argument is that, if you have a gun, and you're in a situation where you could legally use the gun, it's stupid not to use the gun in every such situation?  You should shoot and kill EVERYONE you have a legal right to, every time?
 
2013-01-07 10:48:27 PM  

Chinchillazilla: MaritimeGirl: The entire concept of hate crime bothers me. It defines one human being as more valuable than another. Murder is murder. If a person kills a victim because he has blue eyes, is that a hate crime? If a person kills a victim because he has brown skin, that all of a sudden is a hate crime. In both cases the murderer is crazy, the murderer is guilty of the same crime, not two different ones where one is worse than the other.

It's not about the victim themselves. It's about the intent to frighten others like the victim into behaving as the criminal wants them to. For example, this guy yelling about a "n----- with a white girl" suggests that he wanted this victim to be a symbol of what happens to black guys who date white women, and scare black people into not dating white people. It's similar to terrorism in that the goal is greater than the immediate crime; it's meant to frighten the populace, which is a more serious crime than simply hurting one person.

Whether you can prove intent is another story, but I think at their core, hate-crime laws are a good thing.



Your explanation is much better than mine.
 
2013-01-07 11:05:42 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Wel, again... that argument does not rely on the premise that all gun owners are irresponsible psychopaths, just that the number of irresponsible gun owning psychopaths is higher than optimal.


I don't know anyone who has ever said that every single gun owner is an irresponsible psychopath, and I did not say that either.

But I think we can agree that there is an implied (and sometimes explicit) assumption among many gun-control zealots that widespread gun ownership increases the likelihood of gun violence because the average joe can't be relied upon to restrain himself from blasting away at the slightest provocation and that more people armed will absolutely mean more minor conflicts end in gunfights.

And this guy illustrated nicely that even under extreme provocation, a rational and reasonable person can choose not to resort to lethal force, even when armed. (Also, so do the strong statistics on licensed conceal carry guyn owners.)

/full disclosure, I am not a CCL nor do I intend to be having only ever fired a gun a few times in my life.
 
2013-01-08 09:17:44 AM  

ciberido: AssAsInAssassin: Jesus. I merely pointed out that the writer wrote something badly, that came off as insensitive. It's what I do--literally. I am a proofreader. I proofread. I passed judgment only on the writer's style, not on his point of view. Please, try to compartmentalize your anger. You'll find the world works better when you can see several viewpoints simultaneously, rather than making everything black or white, us or them.

Take a nap.

I see you can't take what you dish out.

If you want to be an opinionated jerk, that's fine.  This is Fark after all.  But it looks pretty pathetic when you tear into someone like you did and then go all "waaah!  Poor persecuted me!" when someone calls you on it.

Take a nap?  Grow some thicker skin or don't dash into the kitchen.


No irony there.
 
2013-01-08 10:15:36 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)

Thanks for explaining that. i was wondering about the terminology and then I read the rest of your sentence. You sound really dangerous and like someone I DEFINITELY want on my side in a situation where a "triple tap" would be necessary.!


Thanks, but I am still torn on whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. Right now I am just happy there has not been a situation where it was necessary since leaving the service.
 
2013-01-08 12:41:29 PM  
Well, since you are more likely to get struck by lightning than shot,,,
All of you reading this are luckier than that guy.

If you died in a car accident, less lucky, but you're not reading are you?
 
2013-01-08 01:06:00 PM  

Profedius: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)

Thanks for explaining that. i was wondering about the terminology and then I read the rest of your sentence. You sound really dangerous and like someone I DEFINITELY want on my side in a situation where a "triple tap" would be necessary.!

Thanks, but I am still torn on whether it is a good thing or a bad thing. Right now I am just happy there has not been a situation where it was necessary since leaving the service.


Better man, luckier man, man who processed sensory input fast enough to realize he wasn't actually in a lethal force situation, man who would rather die himself than have his girlfriend think he was a killer morally equivallent to the guy attacking them... whatever the case, the only thing it really means is he made a good call this time. Hopefully if I'm in a similar situation I'll also be able to correctly assess it and take appropriate action, but the odds are pretty good I'll make a bad call, or one that's perceived as bad (because I'm not pretty, if for no other reason) and the rest of civilization will put an end to my own life for it.

/we will all be Zimmerman some day
//well, unless you commit suicide before you get unattractively old
 
2013-01-08 06:45:14 PM  

Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)


Oh snap. I thought it was happened to your mother all the time. Wait a second.. It kind of is.
 
2013-01-08 10:15:47 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Hickory-smoked: Wel, again... that argument does not rely on the premise that all gun owners are irresponsible psychopaths, just that the number of irresponsible gun owning psychopaths is higher than optimal.

I don't know anyone who has ever said that every single gun owner is an irresponsible psychopath, and I did not say that either.

But I think we can agree that there is an implied (and sometimes explicit) assumption among many gun-control zealots that widespread gun ownership increases the likelihood of gun violence because the average joe can't be relied upon to restrain himself from blasting away at the slightest provocation and that more people armed will absolutely mean more minor conflicts end in gunfights.


I think the only point we disagree on here is that it isn't the "average joe" people are worried about being armed, but rather the "sub-average joe." In which case, yes, I'd hypothesize that wider-spread gun ownership among the untrained and unlicensed would result in more accidents, crimes, and violent acts of stupidity.

That's the theory I approach the issue of gun control with, anyway... but perhaps it's not me you were referring to in your initial statement. I believe gun laws should have high standards of responsibility and strong powers of enforcement, but I've never advocated a universal ban.

Maybe we can split the difference and agree Mr. Mohammed doesn't disprove gun-control arguments, but he does disprove the worst anti-gun stereotypes.
 
2013-01-08 10:17:40 PM  

Profedius: He is a better man then I since I would have triple tapped him (that is two to the chest one to the head for those that don't know)


That would make a great cover article for the next issue of ITGQ.
 
2013-01-09 05:32:08 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Maybe we can split the difference and agree Mr. Mohammed's behavior doesn't disprove [completely dispute] gun-control arguments, but it does disprove dispute the worst anti-gun stereotypes.


I would agree with that. In most circumstances, no one action can possibly disprove anything.

And no, I did not mean you, specifically, were a representative of gun control zealots.
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