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(NPR)   Wisconsin's once-burgeoning paper industry is under threat by China, iPads, and recycling   (npr.org) divider line 40
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2013-01-06 06:27:48 PM
Fark the Koch brothers!
 
2013-01-06 06:41:32 PM
I don't like where this threat is heading.
 
2013-01-06 06:45:30 PM
There's a lot of obfuscation and poor information in the background parts of that.

Take for instance the beiginnings and burgeoning wisconsin timeber industry of the 1800's. That was mostly lumber, not paper related. By mostly I'm guessing 90%+ easily. There's just so much in the beginning of this broadcast that is omitted or just plain wrong from the context of paper making...
 
2013-01-06 07:09:03 PM
We will always need TP.
 
2013-01-06 08:03:24 PM

2wolves: I don't like where this threat is heading.


Are you threadening me?!?
 
2013-01-06 08:23:53 PM

NowhereMon: We will always need TP.


My three shells say otherwise.
 
2013-01-06 09:02:41 PM

fusillade762: 2wolves: I don't like where this threat is heading.

Are you threadening me?!?


You realize of course that the admin is just baiting you

/before this link goes live the headline will be corrected and your witty comments will make no sense at all
//trust me on this
 
2013-01-06 09:49:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: fusillade762: 2wolves: I don't like where this threat is heading.

Are you threadening me?!?

You realize of course that the admin is just baiting you

/before this link goes live the headline will be corrected and your witty comments will make no sense at all
//trust me on this


Or they'll just be deleted. Like the last time I made a comment about a misspelled headline that later got fixed.
 
2013-01-06 09:51:36 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: fusillade762: 2wolves: I don't like where this threat is heading.

Are you threadening me?!?

You realize of course that the admin is just baiting you

/before this link goes live the headline will be corrected and your witty comments will make no sense at all
//trust me on this


Trust you? I invented it.

Been playing Dean Martin to all you jerrys for a decade +.
 
2013-01-06 10:13:50 PM
They still have their God and their guns, they should be happy Americans instead of whining about half the economy being shipped to Asia in the name of Globalism.
 
2013-01-06 10:27:40 PM
Wow, Wisconsin has a paper industry, didn't know that. It's funny how some things you just never think of where they come from, paper is one of them. Before hearing this, when I thought of Wisconsin I thought of cows and cheese.
 
2013-01-06 10:31:36 PM
I love this threat.
 
2013-01-06 10:42:46 PM
I live in the big papermill area of central Wisconsin, hell the company I work for sells and repairs the radio equipment for a number of them. It's kind of sad to see the area drying up so much now that so many of the mill jobs are going. The Port Edwards mill has completely closed, the Whiting mill crews have been slashed and will be closing, the mill in my town has been dropping jobs, the Nekoosa, Mosinee, and Biron mills have drastically reduced crews in staff, and it's had a pretty major effect in this area. Other businesses have been drying up like mad, and there's not a neighborhood in the area that doesn't have at least one or more houses for sale on the block. The one new industry that was going to start in the area about 6 years ago pulled out and the local government actually had to buy the land back from those assholes. The entire region is getting an eerie ghost town feeling.
 
2013-01-06 10:44:59 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: The one new industry that was going to start in the area about 6 years ago pulled out and the local government actually had to buy the land back from those assholes.


Wind turbines?
 
2013-01-06 10:45:19 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: I live in the big papermill area of central Wisconsin, hell the company I work for sells and repairs the radio equipment for a number of them. It's kind of sad to see the area drying up so much now that so many of the mill jobs are going. The Port Edwards mill has completely closed, the Whiting mill crews have been slashed and will be closing, the mill in my town has been dropping jobs, the Nekoosa, Mosinee, and Biron mills have drastically reduced crews in staff, and it's had a pretty major effect in this area. Other businesses have been drying up like mad, and there's not a neighborhood in the area that doesn't have at least one or more houses for sale on the block. The one new industry that was going to start in the area about 6 years ago pulled out and the local government actually had to buy the land back from those assholes. The entire region is getting an eerie ghost town feeling.


Nekoosa... another reason it always smelled in Juneau County.

/Primary reason was usually us locals or the rotting fish in the Petenwell.
 
2013-01-06 10:47:49 PM

ongbok: Wow, Wisconsin has a paper industry, didn't know that. It's funny how some things you just never think of where they come from, paper is one of them. Before hearing this, when I thought of Wisconsin I thought of cows and cheese.


There are cities in Wisconsin that are now nearly ghost towns due to the dying paper industry. Wisconsin Rapids, for example.

Of course, they still produce other stuff you might not think about. Like cranberries and potatoes and...uh...well two things is pretty good?
 
2013-01-06 10:47:49 PM

phaseolus: Dingleberry Dickwad: The one new industry that was going to start in the area about 6 years ago pulled out and the local government actually had to buy the land back from those assholes.

Wind turbines?


There was that and there was talk of an ethanol plant starting in the area.
 
2013-01-06 10:50:52 PM

John Nash: ongbok: Wow, Wisconsin has a paper industry, didn't know that. It's funny how some things you just never think of where they come from, paper is one of them. Before hearing this, when I thought of Wisconsin I thought of cows and cheese.

There are cities in Wisconsin that are now nearly ghost towns due to the dying paper industry. Wisconsin Rapids, for example.

Of course, they still produce other stuff you might not think about. Like cranberries and potatoes and...uh...well two things is pretty good?


I live in Rapids, it's not that bad yet, but it's getting there. Like I was saying earlier, lots of houses and empty business buildings for sale. The cranberry industry has been growing in the area but it can only do so much.
 
2013-01-06 10:53:19 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: I live in the big papermill area of central Wisconsin, hell the company I work for sells and repairs the radio equipment for a number of them. It's kind of sad to see the area drying up so much now that so many of the mill jobs are going. The Port Edwards mill has completely closed, the Whiting mill crews have been slashed and will be closing, the mill in my town has been dropping jobs, the Nekoosa, Mosinee, and Biron mills have drastically reduced crews in staff, and it's had a pretty major effect in this area. Other businesses have been drying up like mad, and there's not a neighborhood in the area that doesn't have at least one or more houses for sale on the block. The one new industry that was going to start in the area about 6 years ago pulled out and the local government actually had to buy the land back from those assholes. The entire region is getting an eerie ghost town feeling.


What was the industry that pulled out? I used to drive by the Nekoosa mill once a month. It's just west of the bridge, right? I can't picture where the Port Edwards mill was.
 
2013-01-06 10:57:15 PM

John Nash: There are cities in Wisconsin that are now nearly ghost towns due to the dying paper industry. Wisconsin Rapids, for example.

Of course, they still produce other stuff you might not think about. Like cranberries and potatoes and...uh...well two things is pretty good?


Places over by the Fox Valley to Sheboygan will be ok; all the small time insurers (seriously it feels like there's about 80 of them from Neenah to Sheboygan) and the last of the manufacturing jobs through there can at least guarantee some semblence of a middle class and you'll always find people who go from Fond du Lac to Milwaukee everyday.

Wood County and the surrounding areas, however, have been going downhill for at least a generation. All the farmers who could sell for cranberry bogs did back in the 90's and the cash croppers barely have a pot to shiat in (not that it's a new thing). And since interstates and rail traffic aren't pristine out there they have a hell of a time getting anyone to even look at sites to put a business in.
 
2013-01-06 10:57:49 PM
Kindles, not kindling.
 
2013-01-06 11:00:41 PM

StingerJ: Dingleberry Dickwad: I live in the big papermill area of central Wisconsin, hell the company I work for sells and repairs the radio equipment for a number of them. It's kind of sad to see the area drying up so much now that so many of the mill jobs are going. The Port Edwards mill has completely closed, the Whiting mill crews have been slashed and will be closing, the mill in my town has been dropping jobs, the Nekoosa, Mosinee, and Biron mills have drastically reduced crews in staff, and it's had a pretty major effect in this area. Other businesses have been drying up like mad, and there's not a neighborhood in the area that doesn't have at least one or more houses for sale on the block. The one new industry that was going to start in the area about 6 years ago pulled out and the local government actually had to buy the land back from those assholes. The entire region is getting an eerie ghost town feeling.

What was the industry that pulled out? I used to drive by the Nekoosa mill once a month. It's just west of the bridge, right? I can't picture where the Port Edwards mill was.


The one I remember wasthe turbine plant that the city ended up buying the land back from. Yeah, the Nekoosa one is just off the bridge on 73. The Port Edwards one is right by the YMCA there.
 
2013-01-06 11:02:12 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: StingerJ: Dingleberry Dickwad: I live in the big papermill area of central Wisconsin, hell the company I work for sells and repairs the radio equipment for a number of them. It's kind of sad to see the area drying up so much now that so many of the mill jobs are going. The Port Edwards mill has completely closed, the Whiting mill crews have been slashed and will be closing, the mill in my town has been dropping jobs, the Nekoosa, Mosinee, and Biron mills have drastically reduced crews in staff, and it's had a pretty major effect in this area. Other businesses have been drying up like mad, and there's not a neighborhood in the area that doesn't have at least one or more houses for sale on the block. The one new industry that was going to start in the area about 6 years ago pulled out and the local government actually had to buy the land back from those assholes. The entire region is getting an eerie ghost town feeling.

What was the industry that pulled out? I used to drive by the Nekoosa mill once a month. It's just west of the bridge, right? I can't picture where the Port Edwards mill was.

The one I remember wasthe turbine plant that the city ended up buying the land back from. Yeah, the Nekoosa one is just off the bridge on 73. The Port Edwards one is right by the YMCA there.


Dammit, it threw away the link. Try this.
 
2013-01-06 11:14:00 PM
One huge issue is that the paper suppliers squeezed the newspapers to the point of bankruptcy. Newspapers with declining revenues, cut pages. Mills raise price per ton to offset lower volume, papers cut back pages and edition, mills close down, Squeezing supply, prices go up. Newspapers cut back...

And on and on....

And gov regs for de-inking and recycling in the US are really almost prohibitive price wise.
 
2013-01-06 11:24:20 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: live in Rapids, it's not that bad yet, but it's getting there. Like I was saying earlier, lots of houses and empty business buildings for sale. The cranberry industry has been growing in the area but it can only do so much.


It's been a slow decline, for sure. This all started in the 80's, and it's still going.

So glad I didn't get that paper science degree.
 
2013-01-07 12:29:15 AM
Nice to see NPR stealing ideas from the larges paper in the state; The Journal Sentinel ran a three part article on the condition of the State's paper industry three weeks ago.
 
2013-01-07 02:29:22 AM
Me and my wife own a print shop.

Fortunately, we are very busy (Oilpatch loves paper).

We do our best to stick to north american paper. Xpedx shut down there warehouse in our area, so we lost Boise ans Wausau papers. Now our supplier (Spicers, part of Paperlinx) has 2 major house lines. One is from China, and the other is from Domtar (Ontario).

We use the paper from Ontario, because the paper from China is crap. Doesn't run worth a damn on our machines. People will bring us paper they buy at staples, and ask us to print on it. We refuse because almost anything that says "Staples" on it is made in China and is crap.

BTW, we run tons of NCR from Appleton. One of my favorite papers to run.
 
2013-01-07 06:26:33 AM

douchebag/hater: Nice to see NPR stealing ideas from the larges paper in the state; The Journal Sentinel ran a three part article on the condition of the State's paper industry three weeks ago.


Sure, but did they run it on their radio stations?

Dingleberry Dickwad: There was that and there was talk of an ethanol plant starting in the area.


Those types of plants have been closing in other places too (IA) but were booming before.
 
2013-01-07 07:08:28 AM

Rob3Fan: Me and my wife own a print shop.

Fortunately, we are very busy (Oilpatch loves paper).

We do our best to stick to north american paper. Xpedx shut down there warehouse in our area, so we lost Boise ans Wausau papers. Now our supplier (Spicers, part of Paperlinx) has 2 major house lines. One is from China, and the other is from Domtar (Ontario).

We use the paper from Ontario, because the paper from China is crap. Doesn't run worth a damn on our machines. People will bring us paper they buy at staples, and ask us to print on it. We refuse because almost anything that says "Staples" on it is made in China and is crap.

BTW, we run tons of NCR from Appleton. One of my favorite papers to run.


Domtar is run out of Canada, but they have several mills in the central Wisconsin area. There's one in Wausau still and the one in Nekoosa.
 
2013-01-07 08:30:58 AM
We need William Randolph Hurst to get a law to outlaw the competition
 
2013-01-07 09:03:15 AM
So paper cuts across the state?

/Where jobs Scott Walker? Wher?
 
2013-01-07 09:28:28 AM
Buggy whip factories not showing much growth either, etc, etc...
 
2013-01-07 10:12:50 AM
As someone who's cleaned out two hoarder-houses of people who couldn't throw out a book or a Rolling Stone or a twenty-year-old phone bill, and a several offices of paper-accumulators as well, the day can't come soon enough.
 
2013-01-07 10:35:05 AM

Lawnchair: As someone who's cleaned out two hoarder-houses of people who couldn't throw out a book or a Rolling Stone or a twenty-year-old phone bill, and a several offices of paper-accumulators as well, the day can't come soon enough.


Sooooo...you're actually looking forward to being unemployed? Who knew?

And I only partially keed.
 
2013-01-07 11:51:05 AM
A similar thing happened in Maine a few years ago. There used to be a large number of paper mills, and most of them have shut down. There are a few holdouts, but paper was once a major industry for the state, and it is no longer.
 
2013-01-07 05:11:11 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: So paper cuts across the state?

/Where jobs Scott Walker? Wher?


Whenever the Koch brothers get mad...i fully assume they will close all the mills here in Green Bay just to make a point since i think they are union mills
 
2013-01-07 07:41:09 PM
Good thing they finally became a "right to work" state. It's hard enough paying union fees when my checks are already shrinking
 
2013-01-07 11:47:35 PM

Rob3Fan: We do our best to stick to north american paper. Xpedx shut down there warehouse in our area, so we lost Boise ans Wausau papers. Now our supplier (Spicers, part of Paperlinx) has 2 major house lines. One is from China, and the other is from Domtar (Ontario).


Just curious, that would be the Espanola mill, wouldn't it? I work for the railroad that services it.
 
2013-01-08 01:43:31 AM

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: Rob3Fan: We do our best to stick to north american paper. Xpedx shut down there warehouse in our area, so we lost Boise ans Wausau papers. Now our supplier (Spicers, part of Paperlinx) has 2 major house lines. One is from China, and the other is from Domtar (Ontario).

Just curious, that would be the Espanola mill, wouldn't it? I work for the railroad that services it.


Based upon Domtar's site, you would be correct. Also use alot of Carolina Cover from International Paper's Riegelwood Mill near Wilmington, NC.

Which Railroad? Curious as I'm a model railroader.
 
2013-01-08 11:18:29 AM

Rob3Fan: DBased upon Domtar's site, you would be correct. Also use alot of Carolina Cover from International Paper's Riegelwood Mill near Wilmington, NC.

Which Railroad? Curious as I'm a model railroader.


Huron Central Railway. A former CP short-line spinoff.
 
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