AloysiusSnuffleupagus: Some of us are grown ups and really tire of games. Both in relationships and at work.The last time I interviewed for a job, one place had me run the gauntlet interviewing with 10 different people (for a half hour, each) culminating with the big boss who asked me some "WTF" questions. As in, "Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not sure what the appropriate response is." In the back of my mind was "what was the point of that?".I might add, I have a doctoral-level degree and the question was about being replaced by technology which doesn't exist and won't during my lifetime.So yeah, I really tire of the stupid questions.
the_chief: God Dammit, I hate the Beatles.
Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm not a good culture fit. I don't like *people*, as a general rule. I really don't like my co-workers. I enjoy tasks that are similar to my job; but I don't really want to do my job. I get paid a 'fair wage' but that limits me to only put in a 'fair amount' of effort. I don't bust my ass for the good of the company, I do just enough to get 'good' reviews - nothing more. And the entire time, I have one foot out the door waiting for anything better to come along.But I'm REALLY GOOD at interviews.It's strange. I've had a lot of similar situations growing up. When I'm 'on' I can act a certain way - for example - high school debate or theater or being the class clown; but take that away and even though I appear outgoing and social, I just like *attention*, not the people that give it. Once I'm not 'on', I really don't care. I'm not friendly. I don't want to hear about your wife or your kids or your husband or your funny story or anything else. Meh. I just want to dick around for five hours, take a long lunch, and go home.But put me in an interview - and bam - I'm Mr. Popular! Mr. Good Culture fit. Friendly, funny, knowledgeable...I don't know or plan what I'll say before I show up - but I'm really good at picking up on what they want me to say. Maybe, with some training, I could be some sort of cold-reading psychic...I don't know. One interview I find myself saying how work-life balance is important and how working at a big, faceless insurance company just wasn't for me; that I wanted to 'make a difference'. Got that job. Next interview I'm saying that I just wasn't challenged enough, that I was tired of doing a good job, I wanted to do a great job! I wanted to push myself and see just how far and how good I can become. Even the lunch-interview with co-workers....I could go 10 years without having lunch with a co-worker or asking them a question or caring about an answer; but when I'm on my job interview and we go out to lunch, bam, I can pre ...
coldf33t: Who says the "quiet ones" aren't a cultural fit?
HotIgneous Intruder: I wanted to fark the brains out of the last HR girl who interviewed me./Got the job.//Oh yeah.
Omnivorous: New: "You're just not a cultural fit for us"Translation: you're older than me and have more experience, so you're a threat.
TheGhostofFarkPast: Indypendy: coldf33t: Indypendy: Currently in the market for a job that only requires the heavy use of sarcasm, swear words, and an unfailing ability to b.s.SalesOddly enough, I'm horrible in sales. I'm not a born cheerleader and have a hard time talking people into buying shiat I know they don't really need or would.struggle to actually pay for./sold cars for one month//sold rainbow "home cleaning systems"///briefly sold my soul to Avon////fark sales marketingEven though you are that way you can still make hand over fist, I did that while at ATT. I was the complete anti-sales anti-company stooge but boy did I sell and boy did I sell a crap ton. I was a straight shooter with people and I played no games and my customers and their friends and family all appreciated it and I got a lot of word of mouth very quickly. I ended up with a stack of awards, national recognition and a bunch of free stuff from all "high sales" conventions/award ceremonies. I am glad I left though because ATT is were souls go to die.
BokerBill: FormlessOne: xsarien: BokerBill: What's your favorite movie? What's your favorite website? What's the last book you read for fun? What makes you uncomfortable?- None of your business- None of your business- None of your business- A rock in my shoe/Not a good cultural fit with any company that thinks these are important questions to ask in a job interview.Do you give douchy answers to those questions when they're asked in a casual setting? Because what's being measured here is your ability to have a normal conversation that doesn't involve "talking shop."It's a little jarring and their purpose is pretty transparent these days, but they can also serve as a bit of an ice breaker in a normally tense situation, like, say, a job interview.On the other hand, discovering the folks carrying the "YER NOT THE BOSS A' ME!" chip on their shoulders in four questions or less makes a job interview go that much faster.A job interview is not a casual conversation: that's really the point here. This is not about "yer not the boss of me"; it's about what's appropriate and professional in the context of a job interview. If you really want to know what book I last read for fun - rather than for professional development - I might reasonably wonder if you ever hire anyone who isn't your personal friend.On the other hand, on the job you are emphatically the boss of me. And it's still none of your business.Like I said, if you think it's important what my favorite movie is - important enough to base a hiring decision on the answer, then it really doesn't matter whether we agree on favorite movies: I don't fit with your organization.And I can decide that in four questions or less, too.
swingerofbirches: I did phone support from home for Apple, and one week the incentive was that if your team sold more AppleCare than another team, the other team's lead would have to dress up in drag and sing "I feel pretty" via webam (it was a virtual job). I would get messages from my team lead asking me if I was "pumped" about the contest.
zedster: FTFA:""These trends are being driven by millennials because they care about culture," says Dan Schawbel, author of Me: 2.0. "Research shows that millennials typically stay at a job for about two years-and they have different priorities. They'd rather have meaningful work over more pay, or work for a company that gives back or cares about the environment. They want a culture that's less hierarchical, more flexible, and more understanding of difference, because millennials are the most diverse generation."NO NO NO NO NO NOWWII Gen: Hey I'll get a job and work at it for 20+ yrs, return you'll give me benefits like a pensionBusiness: OkayBaby Boomers: I'd like what my parents hadBusiness: nope you'll have a 401K that we will raid and no job securityMillennials: If I'm not going to be making great money and have no job security I'd rather work someplace I like and move on when I burn outBusiness: Why do you have no loyalty? come back?If I had the choice between culture or a place that actually took care of it's employees without screwing them over I would take the security. Having fallen into IT I have to say the contractor system is not going to inspire me to do anything less then the bare minimum, what incentive do I have? I have no profit share, no chance of getting hired on (always a false carrot they dangle), and very little security. At best Millennials are just waiting for the huge delayed wave of Baby Boomer to retire and open up the job market for them, at worst you are looking at generation that will have far less opportunity and quality of life then their parents.
Sygonus: DiggidyDan: "what would you say your biggest weakness is?"Blunt honesty. . . That's an inane, loaded question that you are only asking because it's on your script.This is probably one of the most useless interview questions ever. It's so common that most people, unless they're completely clueless, will have some carefully crafted non-weakness "weakness" to respond with.
Lsherm: strife: Lsherm: Turns out for years the Indian students and the Pakistani students had been swapping out the tech crew jobs because they refused to work with one another.Seems legit. IIRC, they had a thing for threatening each other with nuclear warfare not too long ago.This was years before either of them had nuclear weapons. They haven't like each other for a long time.
gadian: I've found the best work places are genuinely the most diverse. This means no one "cultural fit" for a company. You have curmudgeons, air heads, frat boys, nerds, dweebs, etc. all piled into one room and make it work because you're adults and can be professional even if you're not nearly identical to the person sitting next to you.
Nemo's Brother: Aces and Eights: Weirdest question anyone asked me in a job interview: "What would you do if you were on a bus and someone was drunk and threw up in the aisle?"Somehow I must have given the right answer. I was offered the job, and accepted it. Didn't stay long. The place was stranger than the interview.How did you respond?
StrangeQ: If you can't handle being asked what was the last movie that you saw then my question would be what is it you are trying to hide?
zedster: Millennials: If I'm not going to be making great money and have no job security I'd rather work someplace I like and move on when I burn outBusiness: Why do you have no loyalty? come back?
stiletto_the_wise: My interviews are pretty straightforward. Ask questions with one right answer and many wrong ones, and count how many right answers they give. I'm concerned only with competence, because you at least have a hope of measuring competence and using it to objectively compare candidates. I don't care if you like golf or play poker on weekends. Are you smart and can you get shiat done? Those are the only relevant measurements.
ModernLuddite: But seriously, I do NOT socialize with my coworkers. I do not talk to my coworkers. I do not share personal or private information with my coworkers. It's none of their damn business and I will not play games or jockey for position. This is, incidentally, why I will never be in charge of anything, but fark it. I don't like the admission price.
Nurglitch: It's like intelligence: you can be the smartest person in the world, but nobody is going to notice your rich, inner life if you cannot communicate it, bro.
DanInKansas: ModernLuddite: But seriously, I do NOT socialize with my coworkers. I do not talk to my coworkers. I do not share personal or private information with my coworkers. It's none of their damn business and I will not play games or jockey for position. This is, incidentally, why I will never be in charge of anything, but fark it. I don't like the admission price.Take it from someone who's made the mistake: you're on the right track. The more you treat your coworkers as friends or -- even worse -- extended family, the more backs you will eventually have to stab.Or, worse, the more knives you will have to end up removing from yours.People who don't socialize with their coworkers have a reputation for being "standoffish" and "arrogant". We also have a reputation for working hard and getting results, because we don't spend 45 minutes bullshiatting about last night's episode of Archer or what the f ever.
YodaBlues: DanInKansas: ModernLuddite: But seriously, I do NOT socialize with my coworkers. I do not talk to my coworkers. I do not share personal or private information with my coworkers. It's none of their damn business and I will not play games or jockey for position. This is, incidentally, why I will never be in charge of anything, but fark it. I don't like the admission price.Take it from someone who's made the mistake: you're on the right track. The more you treat your coworkers as friends or -- even worse -- extended family, the more backs you will eventually have to stab.Or, worse, the more knives you will have to end up removing from yours.People who don't socialize with their coworkers have a reputation for being "standoffish" and "arrogant". We also have a reputation for working hard and getting results, because we don't spend 45 minutes bullshiatting about last night's episode of Archer or what the f ever.TRUTH. I don't care what obscure feature you've hacked to work in Android or how the Bills did yesterday. I'm trying to get my shiat done, go away.
HempHead: And no, you don't get to invest in individual stocks in a 401-K because that's about the stupidest thing you could do. If you want to gamble in the stock market, do it with money that's not set aside for retirement.My last company allowed user directed investments, which was pretty nice.My current company restricts investments to funds with the highest fees in the industry. I have no doubt that the company (or someone high up) gets a kick back from the fees.
Mr. Eugenides: Even in situations like this though I still say that a 401-K is better than a pension.
GoldSpider: I never understood the aversion to 401k retirement accounts.
Yoyo: I haven't got the capital nor the borrowing power nor business knowledge needed to start my own business. There's a reason that engineering and business are in two different colleges at most universities.
SkunkWerks: There's "aversion" to 401K accounts?
NephilimNexus: My favorite new trend is asking thinly veiled questions to determine your political & religious beliefs so that they can discriminate based on that. And yes, companies totally discriminate based on political & religious beliefs, all day, every day, all over the country- and any laws saying otherwise may as well be printed on toilet paper.
GoldSpider: I never understood the aversion to 401k retirement accounts. Unlike a pension, a company can't simply "loot" it.
whatshisname: What's asinine about it? Fitting into a workplace is just as important as skills.
AloysiusSnuffleupagus: A resource is something that exists to be exploited.When personnel became human resources is when it all went to hell.
GoldSpider: Perhaps not the right word (only 1 cup of coffee yet).
StinkyFiddlewinks: Seems these days when I interview for a web-design/programming position I'm confronted with nothing but self-important hipsters, and it gives me a sad.
sethstorm: Market instability, otherwise everyone from the top down would take a 401k.
SkunkWerks: I was thinking it had more to do with "needing that money to live on a day-to-day basis" myself.
Mr. Eugenides: I still say that a 401-K is better than a pension. You just need to be a lot more savvy.
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