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2013-01-06 08:14:29 PM

justtray: hat's because you're not very smart. The addresses of the citizens are public record, and therefore not private. It is exactly the same. What you are experiencing and demonstrating is textbook coginitive dissonance.


Nope it's because I am consistent, rather than cowardly and two faced like most liberals. See my above post.
 
2013-01-06 08:14:40 PM
Lynyrd Skynyrd, 1976
 
2013-01-06 08:14:56 PM
imageshack.us
 
2013-01-06 08:15:00 PM

inglixthemad: Do you want irony? I am currently working for a defense contractor in a concealed carry state....That's right: no private weapons allowed on the property.


That tells you where it really counts.
 
2013-01-06 08:15:15 PM

Silly Jesus: Haha, it's wonderful that you think I'm a fundie. And I was starting to like you. Oh well.


You know what? You're right. I should treat other people more respectfully, no matter how much I disagree with them, and realize that other peoples' opinions are just as valid as my own.
 
2013-01-06 08:15:22 PM
NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.

Bullshiat. If that were the case, why did they financially back Mitt Romney, a man who signed gun control legislation?
 
2013-01-06 08:16:27 PM

Clutch2013: ...Jesus.

Question: How many of these people are actually anti-gun or just merely anti-idiot with gun?


Put me in the anti-idiot with a gun category. The problem I have faced when trying to express this opinion is that I generally get driven away as an anti-freedom gun hater. I am in the freaking army. I deal with weapons on a daily basis and understand that they need to be treated as potentially deadly things if used improperly. Apparently that makes me a communist and a socialist and a fascist which I think is impossible to be all three simultaneously. There is never any sane conversation because both sides refuse to even open a dialogue that is not just a derpfest from the beginning. It is frustrating and sad.
 
2013-01-06 08:16:36 PM

Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? .


The NRA is about fear-mongering and supporting the GOP. They had their chances to start a conversation. They had their chance to redefine gun control. They failed.
 
2013-01-06 08:16:44 PM

Insatiable Jesus: [imageshack.us image 466x625]


Yea, well I just confused the mods by marking that as funny.
 
2013-01-06 08:17:01 PM

OnlyM3: ZAZ

Can I have a map with crosshairs over the anti-gun groups?
Because democrat bulls-eyes are peaceful bullseyes
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well duh those are clearly archery targets...
 
2013-01-06 08:17:03 PM

Somacandra: Turds like to complain, but notice how they never actually address the succinct legal and policy reasons the ACLU gives for its views on the 2nd Amendment.


Sure they do. The SCotUS has determined that it is an individual right via Heller. That is the reason of difference of opinion.
 
2013-01-06 08:17:52 PM

halB: Liberal logic:

Obama wants to create a list of all the guns and their owners: SUPER SMART! Nothing to worry about!

The NRA created a list of people that are opposed to gun freedom: OMGS THEY BE MAKING LISTS UP IN THIS BIATCH! DONT THEY KNOW LISTS BE EVIL?


This is what gun nuts actually think "liberal logic" is.
 
2013-01-06 08:18:31 PM
Hallmark Cards.

Cover: Sorry I missed you
Inside: Next time I will use a scope

Does that qualify me for a business class window seat?
 
2013-01-06 08:18:50 PM
I think the fear here is that a Jared Loughner, an Adam Lanza, or some other firearms enthusiast will take this as a target list.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:25 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Offer up a repeal amendment for the 2nd or quit your bellyaching. The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, That means you don't get to infringe,


Funny how you didn't quote the whole thing.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:44 PM
USEFUL AND INFORMATIVE QUOTE:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." -----ADOILF HITLER.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:48 PM

Amberleia: I would love to see a nation-wide debate on gun control wherein reasonable, intelligent, and open-minded people, on both sides of the issue, take the time to actually listen and respond thoughtfully to the other side's arguments.

A friend and I actually did this and once we realized what the other was saying, and had clarifications when needed, realized that he, a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, and I, a firm advocate for keeping guns out of the hands of people who misuse them, both actually want the same thing.

I think very few people are against taking guns away from responsible private citizens. We all should be against guns in the possession of felons, gang-members, the insane, and criminals. I don't know what the solution is, other than stiffer penalties for illegal possession and/or use of a gun. If, for example, every felon caught in possession of a gun, every criminal using a gun to commit a crime, were given a mandatory life sentence, with no hope for parole, and no exceptions, our gun control problem would be straightened out in a few years. Of course, that would put a strain on our already strained prison system, so probably isn't feasible. I don't know where the solution lies, but guns must be kept out of the hands of certain elements of our population.


A co-worker and I had the EXACT same conversation. That includes neither one of us could come up with a solution that didn't cause a bunch of other problems.
 
2013-01-06 08:20:16 PM

Frank N Stein: fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns.


Here here!!

Let's talk about the heroes who promote American conservative values!

upload.wikimedia.org
www.historyguy.com
www.truthdig.com
static.globalgrind.com
 
2013-01-06 08:20:42 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Kome: All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.

True...to an extent. But I also had a problem with an anti-illegal-immigration group publishing the names and addresses of illegals (from publicly available arrest records) in the midwest a while back. Most liberals were insanely outraged over it. I am consistent. Most liberals are not. Not even close.

In other words, I wish we (liberals) could make up our minds if mining personal data, and then publishing (or selling) it is acceptable or not. Seems like a very slippery slope many liberals are defending out of political convenience lately.


To be fair, most people are not consistent. It isn't something that any individual or group is particularly known for.
 
2013-01-06 08:21:55 PM
Not to worried about all this.

I won't be handing my guns over.

Because when they take them my hands will be cold.
 
2013-01-06 08:21:56 PM

rustypouch: I wonder how pro-gun they really are, as the last presidential election the NRA endorsed the candidate who signed into law an assault weapons ban


No he didn't. The "Ban" he signed as governor of MA affirmed that the state would adhere to federal AWB of 94-04. Dont let facts get in the way of your wargarbl.

Amberleia: I would love to see a nation-wide debate on gun control wherein reasonable, intelligent, and open-minded people, on both sides of the issue, take the time to actually listen and respond thoughtfully to the other side's arguments.

A friend and I actually did this and once we realized what the other was saying, and had clarifications when needed, realized that he, a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, and I, a firm advocate for keeping guns out of the hands of people who misuse them, both actually want the same thing.

I think very few people are against taking guns away from responsible private citizens. We all should be against guns in the possession of felons, gang-members, the insane, and criminals. I don't know what the solution is, other than stiffer penalties for illegal possession and/or use of a gun. If, for example, every felon caught in possession of a gun, every criminal using a gun to commit a crime, were given a mandatory life sentence, with no hope for parole, and no exceptions, our gun control problem would be straightened out in a few years. Of course, that would put a strain on our already strained prison system, so probably isn't feasible. I don't know where the solution lies, but guns must be kept out of the hands of certain elements of our population.


Have you listened to official NRA comments on the current gun climate? There's already thousands of gun laws in effect in the states and in cases of places like Chicago and Camden, people simply choose not to follow them. In restricting access to firearms for law abiding citizens who have a right to protect themselves you make them targets for the criminal element. What we ought to do is have a rational conversation about how drug control isn't working and that nonviolent drug offenders should be let go, allowing us to crack down on violent individuals.
 
2013-01-06 08:22:13 PM
Oops! Should have spelled it "ADOLPH;" hard to type straight with ten Heinekens in yer belly.
 
2013-01-06 08:22:21 PM
several openly racist groups on the list, (No white people allowed) and many homosexual groups
 
2013-01-06 08:22:23 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


In many instances, these organizations lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation such as the March 1995 HCI "Campaign to Protect Sane Gun Laws."

It was right there in the article.
 
2013-01-06 08:22:49 PM

missiv: Phil Spector gives a thumb's up sign for the right to bear arms.


Yet he had an NYC concealed carry permit while 'little people' cannot. I always wonder where things like that fit into gun control groups support of may issue systems as safer and more reasonable than shall issue.
 
2013-01-06 08:23:14 PM

Somacandra: There is a very large difference between 1) Freedom of the Press and 2) everyone gets a free printing press


No one ever said that's what the 2nd amendment says. Everyone can own a gun if they want, or not, if they don't want one. Your logic fails.

/ Plus, with the internet, everyone DOES have a free printing press
 
2013-01-06 08:23:35 PM

buckler: Kome: ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.

All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.

Yet the permit holders seem to be getting much more pissy.


Because there is a slight difference between "Here's a list of people who spoke out against me" and "here are the home addresses of the people who legally bought and registered a thing I don't like".

The permit holders never chose to be a part of the 2A political fight.
 
2013-01-06 08:23:53 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: justtray: hat's because you're not very smart. The addresses of the citizens are public record, and therefore not private. It is exactly the same. What you are experiencing and demonstrating is textbook coginitive dissonance.

Nope it's because I am consistent, rather than cowardly and two faced like most liberals. See my above post.


Now projection. You truly have an amazing mind. I am in awe.

Imaginary, anecdotal liberals were outraged over posting names of illegal immigrants? (who were presumably deported since that's the only way they could be on a public record) Sounds legit.
 
2013-01-06 08:24:18 PM

twiztedjustin: David Canary - Actor

Might want to update that one, Bob.


Celebtards against simple white folk such as myself owning guns is no news. I won't go down the list like I usually do and point out which guys on the list use a gun IN EVERY SINGLE farkING MOVIE they make.



"Simple white folk"?  Seriously?  Are you false-flagging or something?
 
2013-01-06 08:25:01 PM

JosephFinn: NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group..

Incorrect. The NRA is a pro gun manufacturers lobby. If they were pro guns, they'd be supporting the 2nd Amendment's requirement to be in a well regulated militia to use a gun.


Except, of course, they convinced the SCOTUS to separate the "well-regulated militia" part from the "right to keep and bear arms" part of the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-01-06 08:25:09 PM

randomjsa: There is absolutely nothing wrong with this tactic and if there is you should probably stop singling out the NRA for doing it... Since it's a fairly common tactic employed by all sides left, right, and center.


Someone at the NRA must have read Rules for Radicals.....
 
2013-01-06 08:26:47 PM

jso2897: I have views about gun control, but I'm not passionate about them, and don't feel like getting screamed at by both "sides", which is what usually happens when you have a moderate opinion on a highly controversial subject.


I feel your pain.  In pretty much every Fark thread about religion, actually.
 
2013-01-06 08:27:40 PM
I think the NRA has become a domestic terrorist group, and should be dealt with accordingly.
 
2013-01-06 08:28:44 PM

Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our state ...


Nice collection but when you take history into account the times were different in those days. It is kind of out of context today. No matter how many guns we have today we are not taking over our government. Just ain't gonna happen. A bit of napalm and foosh!

/not against guns
//have a few of my own
 
2013-01-06 08:28:51 PM

Kome: To be fair, most people are not consistent. It isn't something that any individual or group is particularly known for.


As long as we now agree that data mining for all your personal transactions and private activities/hobbies is fair game.
 
2013-01-06 08:29:05 PM

OHDUDENESS: david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

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Oh Snap.


Did that really happen? I can't find anything believable.
 
2013-01-06 08:29:23 PM
Amberleia: A friend and I actually did this and once we realized what the other was saying, and had clarifications when needed, realized that he, a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, and I, a firm advocate for keeping guns out of the hands of people who misuse them, both actually want the same thing.

I think very few people are against taking guns away from responsible private citizens. We all should be against guns in the possession of felons, gang-members, the insane, and criminals. I don't know what the solution is, other than stiffer penalties for illegal possession and/or use of a gun. If, for example, every felon caught in possession of a gun, every criminal using a gun to commit a crime, were given a mandatory life sentence, with no hope for parole, and no exceptions, our gun control problem would be straightened out in a few years. Of course, that would put a strain on our already strained prison system, so probably isn't feasible. I don't know where the solution lies, but guns must be kept out of the hands of certain elements of our population.


This is Fark.  I don't think you're allowed to talk like that here.
 
2013-01-06 08:29:30 PM
USEFUL AND INFORMATIVE QUOTE:

"You'll shoot your eye out." -----Ralphie's Mom
 
2013-01-06 08:29:36 PM

stoli n coke: Nothing will happen with this list. The NRA members who read it will talk tough and maybe rage jack it, but none of the people on the list are in any danger.

People who hem and haw over things like the "anti-second Amendment" movement are basically the real life equivalent of the Chicken Hawk from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons. All the list will do is feed their Red Dawn fantasy.


People won't support/donate to those groups?
 
2013-01-06 08:30:11 PM
Good for the NRA to make their enemies list public.

Bad for the people who get killed by the NRA's insane members

Good for normal people when the NRA is sued into oblivion
 
2013-01-06 08:30:37 PM

Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.


This is the best post on the subject I have ever seen.
 
2013-01-06 08:31:04 PM

ciberido: jso2897: I have views about gun control, but I'm not passionate about them, and don't feel like getting screamed at by both "sides", which is what usually happens when you have a moderate opinion on a highly controversial subject.

I feel your pain.  In pretty much every Fark thread about religion, actually.


Then why participate in them?
 
2013-01-06 08:32:13 PM

lexslamman: I think the NRA has become a domestic terrorist group, and should be dealt with accordingly.


I think the democrat party has become a domestic terrorist group, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Basically you're a farking idiot. The NRA protects our 2nd amendment. Maybe you don't care about your rights, but I and the NRA do.
 
2013-01-06 08:33:10 PM

Somacandra: The actual difference is over whether an material item exists. You can have all the initiative you want and that doesn't create anything material.


With enough initiative, you can create or buy the material means. That is the least of the worry.
 
2013-01-06 08:33:57 PM

jaytkay: Frank N Stein: fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns.

Here here!!

Let's talk about the heroes who promote American conservative values!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x254]
[www.historyguy.com image 220x326]
[www.truthdig.com image 220x266]
[static.globalgrind.com image 220x275]


Oh god the trolling. Its beautiful. Take a bow man, you earned it. You are the front runner for troll of the year man. Two anti government nutjobs, a plain old nutjob and a honest to god damn Norwegian. Dude, 9.9/10. I'm thinking of favoriting you if you come up with any more gems like this.
 
2013-01-06 08:34:34 PM

jaytkay: Good for the NRA to make their enemies list public.

Bad for the people who get killed by the NRA's insane members

Good for normal people when the NRA is sued into oblivion


Like the 500 people who were killed in Chicago by Obama's insane followers?
 
KIA
2013-01-06 08:34:39 PM
Murder - illegal
Premeditated murder - illegal
Multiple malicious homicide - illegal x number of victims
Attempted homicide - illegal x number of people endangered
Attempted malicious wounding - illegal x number of people shot at
Malicious wounding - illegal x number of people wounded
Assault - illegal x number of people put in fear
Battery - illegal x number of people struck
Theft - illegal
Breaking and entering - illegal
Use of a firearm in a crime - illegal
Violation of Operation Exile (mandatory 5 years hard time for gun violations) - illegal - btw, take a look at some of the testimony from Columbine survivor's family in suppoer of Project Exile here: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=832

News reports suggest that 17 federal laws were violated at Columbine. There were probably at least as many violated at Newtown so once again the question is raised: do you really expect drug dealers and criminals to follow even more laws? Do you expect crazy people to have any comprehension of the laws or regard for them? Of course not, because you're not a crazy person.

So, don't give crazy people or criminals guns. Dandy. Done.
 
2013-01-06 08:34:39 PM
This sort of double standard is the foundation of liberal logic. These are the same assholes that told me "If I hit my wife, I would've killed her" isn't considered a valid legal defense.

Example:
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-06 08:35:10 PM
I don't believe in gun control. I think illegal immigrant terrorist felons should be allowed to buy fully automatic weapons with silencers and armor piercing bullets with no background checks out of the back of any car. Because THAT'S what the founding fathers intended as proven by the fwd email I received
 
2013-01-06 08:35:28 PM

Glancing Blow: bim1154: Glancing Blow: Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS

Yea, they're too busy protecting the rights of those neo-NAZI's to march in places like Waukegan, Illinois.

Didn't you mean Skokie, Il.
Link

Yes, you're right. It was around the time that I first joined the ACLU and it cost them dearly with their (some now X-)Jewish members.


I was working in that area at that time. Had a lot of Jewish customers that who, at that time, were Holocaust survivors. I know if the neos would have marched, there were Jews ready to whoop some nazi ass. Later on the head of that neo-nazi group got convicted of diddling little boys... can't remember those details.
 
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