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2013-01-06 07:57:09 PM

Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS


Yea, they're too busy protecting the rights of those neo-NAZI's to march in places like Waukegan, Illinois.
 
2013-01-06 07:57:10 PM

buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.


Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.
 
2013-01-06 07:57:37 PM
Seems that half the list are various Christian and Jewish groups.

It would seem the God of Abraham is against guns despite the innate ramblings of many a gun nut.
 
2013-01-06 07:58:29 PM
Nice to see the NRA whitewashing Mitt Romney implementing the Massachusetts' assault weapons ban that was put in place so if the Federal ban expired, which it did, those weapons would still be banned in Mass, and of course Ronald Reagan's support of the Brady Bill.
 
2013-01-06 07:58:45 PM

Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS


Though they've changed their tune a little in the past, their previous explanation of why they didn't defend the 2nd amendment was absolutely absurd. If they had simply said that they don't because other national and local groups do a much better job, I could have accepted that.

I still donate to them as I think they do plenty of good.
 
2013-01-06 07:58:58 PM

HeadLever: Kome: And if the reasoning is neither arbitrary or capricious, but would still limit your enumerated rights, what then?

There are certain things that can limit these rights. Can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

However, things like thumbhole stocks and barrel shrouds have no impact on the function of these 'scary looking weapons' are basically arbitrary or capricious regarding the issue at hand.


Can you think of an example of something that you would consider neither arbitrary nor capricious that would limit the enumerated right to bear arms?

DoctorCal: Kome: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.

Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.

Batman?


Pretty much going for humor value there. I really don't like the whole "yea, well my experience is this, therefore..." approach. Even if I have found myself doing it on occasion when I'm Farking while drinking.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:00 PM

dennysgod: Seems that half the list are various Christian and Jewish groups.

It would seem the God of Abraham is against guns despite the innate ramblings of many a gun nut.


MOAR BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
 
2013-01-06 07:59:21 PM

theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?


I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:29 PM

Elmo Jones: Anderson's Pooper: NRA members are all well mannered law abiding citizens. There is no apprecible risk to their opponents.

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o'rly?


He's only a threat if you are a fenced animal, or if you are an underage girl, in which case he might rape you.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:49 PM

Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.


Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:55 PM
The Constitution is not a suicide pact
 
2013-01-06 08:00:03 PM
I read in the papers, 30--round clips have sold a 3--year supply in 8 days.

Red China probably has 50 million AK-47 30--round banana clips on hand surplus, plus factories which can make millions more.

In addition to that, a $15 mag now goes for $60 in gun shows, something I am sure every back--alley factory in China knows, and is tooling up for right now.

And in addition to all that, don't forget what is possible with a 3D printer.

Yes indeed people, if you thought the War on Drugs was great big fun, just wait until the War on Guns takes effect.
 
2013-01-06 08:00:38 PM

This About That: In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States,


Nope. That'd be the "standing armies" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence:

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures....
 
2013-01-06 08:00:38 PM

Kome: When your list of "opponents" includes the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, and American Psychological Association, and we haven't even gotten out of the "A" letters, you may seriously need to re-think your position.


Came here to say this. Seriously, I saw no one on that list that isn't pretty well-known for being all-around good guys (at least, in terms of names I recognized). I fail to see how this helps anti-regulation folks in  any way.

/Let's face it, they aren't pro-gun, they're just anti-regulation.
 
2013-01-06 08:01:02 PM

Molavian: Civil Liberty:


Attempting to redefine property rights as civil liberties by fiat doesn't work. See: the whole Anglo-American legal tradition. There is a very large difference between 1) Freedom of the Press and 2) everyone gets a free printing press.
 
2013-01-06 08:01:05 PM

BHK: Exactly. "Dumping them on the streets" implies that they had been taken off the streets at some point by someone. Why didn't someone do it again? Why didn't all those whiners who complain about Reagan go and help those unfortunates who were dumped on the streets get help? There are many foundations which help the mentally ill which are stretched to the limit yet do amazing work. Cut them a check if you are so concerned, or go volunteer. I have taken in a few people myself, when my girlfriend was one of those people. Reagan probably did them a favor by taking them out of the state-run institutions which were absolutely inhumane in many cases.


Not only that, but stopping federal funding in some areas didn't mean that no one could do anything anymore. It just meant they had to find other ways to fund it, which could have come from some of the tax cuts people got.
Any state that wanted to was free to raise taxes and cover any federal shortfalls. That they didn't shows just how important it was for everyone, left and right, dem and rep,
 
2013-01-06 08:01:43 PM

Kome: Can you think of an example of something that you would consider neither arbitrary nor capricious that would limit the enumerated right to bear arms?


Sure. Indiscriminate weapons. Bombs, mines, rockets, grenades, and to a point - automatic weapons.
 
2013-01-06 08:01:44 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.


All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:02 PM

Kome: When your list of "opponents" includes the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, and American Psychological Association, and we haven't even gotten out of the "A" letters, you may seriously need to re-think your position.


THIS. Lots of smart, book learnin' types on that list.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:25 PM
ZAZ

Can I have a map with crosshairs over the anti-gun groups?

Because democrat bulls-eyes are peaceful bullseyes
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2013-01-06 08:02:31 PM

Glancing Blow: Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS

Yea, they're too busy protecting the rights of those neo-NAZI's to march in places like Waukegan, Illinois.


Didn't you mean Skokie, Il.
Link
 
2013-01-06 08:02:45 PM

HeadLever: Kome: Can you think of an example of something that you would consider neither arbitrary nor capricious that would limit the enumerated right to bear arms?

Sure. Indiscriminate weapons. Bombs, mines, rockets, grenades, and to a point - automatic weapons.


Those limits have been in place for probably longer than you or I have been alive. I meant specifically limit your enumerated rights as they currently stand.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:47 PM

Kome: ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.

All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.


Yet the permit holders seem to be getting much more pissy.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:52 PM
Now I know which organizations to support. Those on the list.
The NRA shills for manufacturers. They don't give a damn about gun safety.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:56 PM

NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.


Well, except anti-gun people aren't likely to try to shoot their political opponents. Given the sheer number of kooks in the NRA (reason I am not a member), the people on that list have a little bit of a right to be concerned.
 
2013-01-06 08:03:24 PM

Kit Fister: This About That: viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.

The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.

Well, you can't have my gun. Listen, genius, a "well regulated militia" was needed at the time the nation was founded inorder to provide for the defense of the country. In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States, not the gun manufacturing lobby or the delusional minds of pseudo-tough guys with guns who like to talk about armed insurrection against the government. You may be surprised to hear that I, too, oppose taking away my right to own a gun. I keep a gun because of the nuts and criminals who also have guns.

There are too many guns and too many gun sellers to do away with, or even effectively regulate, guns. Like lawyers, guns are necessary because guns exist.

Hunters nowadays hunt for "sport". Defense of the nation is handled by the armed forces. Guns for "home protection" more often injure the owner or his kids than some "intruder". Guns make their owners feel like superheros when they are really fools. So stop telling me about the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment. It isn't so.

Except your entire interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is both factually void and incorrect, and not based on any merit or understanding of either the existing laws of the US or the supporting data for the interpretation of the 2A.

Sorry.


This is a lot like arguing over who's religion is best, isn't it?
 
2013-01-06 08:03:57 PM

Kome: Farking while drinking


It's the only way to fly.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:07 PM

HeadLever: Sure. Indiscriminate weapons. Bombs, mines, rockets, grenades, and to a point - automatic weapons.


I'll support drawing the line at 25mm machine guns, nothing larger.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:37 PM

Somacandra: 1) Freedom of the Press and 2) everyone gets a free printing press.


The only difference is the initiative to exercise said rights. Since both are individual rights, they can be applied to anyone who wishes to exercise the right - within reason. Some choose to, some not.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:49 PM
At least we now know who's for it and who's against.
 
2013-01-06 08:05:09 PM

buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.

Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.


Oooh, I get a psychoanalysis too?
 
2013-01-06 08:05:24 PM

Lorelle: So the Nutty Raving Assholes assume that everyone who advocates gun control wants to take away all guns??

Not surprising, coming from the group that has gone out of its way to ensure that those bent on killing others have easy access to assault weapons.


Yeah, that's the only scary thing about this: That suddenly "I think we ought to look a little more closely at gun regulations" has become "DESTROY THE 2D AMENDMENT!!!" in the minds of so many people. A lot of them right here on Fark.
 
2013-01-06 08:06:08 PM

Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.


Any attempt to limit any American's access to guns is "anti-2nd Amendment" in the NRA's vocabulary.

I have a college friend who is big into guns (he trains police officers in marksmanship and firearm safety).  For years he's referred to gun control efforts as "hoplophobia."

It's not that different from people on one side or other of the abortion controversy referring to the other side as "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion."
 
2013-01-06 08:06:26 PM

Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.

Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.

Oooh, I get a psychoanalysis too?


One free with every fundie post.
 
2013-01-06 08:07:06 PM

Frank N Stein: fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns. Like Alton motherfarking Brown

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Kyle and Eric Menendez are noted gun lovers.

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Phil Spector gives a thumb's up sign for the right to bear arms.
 
2013-01-06 08:07:51 PM

Kit Fister: LazerFish: You can fully support the second amendment and still not want your crazy redneck neighbor to own an AK-47 for "squirrel hunting"

Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.

And i presume that you're a qualified, board-certified psychiatrist with years of experience to be able to diagnose your "red neck neighbor" as being crazy?

He hunts squirrels with an AK. Ive seen it. He killed a few of my dogs when i was a kid because they were "on his property scaring deer". So yes, at least in my case I can safely say he is crazy.

 
2013-01-06 08:07:58 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.


That's because you're not very smart. The addresses of the citizens are public record, and therefore not private. It is exactly the same. What you are experiencing and demonstrating is textbook coginitive dissonance.
 
2013-01-06 08:08:15 PM
I'm Canadian, and left on the political spectrum, but I don't understand why so many of the issues in the US are so polarized. Despite my political leanings, I don't think the NRA expects everyone to own a gun, and I don't think those on the other side want all private gun ownership banned.

Maybe gun ownership wouldn't be such a big issue if your leaders addressed the question of why people go on shooting sprees, and tried to do something about that.
 
2013-01-06 08:08:39 PM

This About That: lawyers, guns a

...

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...nd money...Dad, get me out of this!
 
2013-01-06 08:09:12 PM

buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.

Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.

Oooh, I get a psychoanalysis too?

One free with every fundie post.


Haha, it's wonderful that you think I'm a fundie. And I was starting to like you. Oh well.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:33 PM

XveryYpettyZ: Silly Jesus: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Do you know what the scary word semi-automatic means? It means that the gun fires one bullet at a time. OH NOES!

I always find the disingenuous hee-hawing over words like "semi automatic" and "assault rifle" hilarious. Yes, a semi-automatic "assault rifle" is much more dangerous than a traditional long gun for a number of reasons, including but not limited to: the amount of barrel rise with the smaller caliber high-velocity round when firing quickly, the ease, speed of and time between reloading, and the grip style.

If you took your grandpa's hunting rifle and made it semi-automatic it wouldn't be much more dangerous because the barrel rise degrade the accuracy so much. For reference, see the problems with the M14 and why most of them had a pin inserted to prevent them from being fired fully-automatic.... even by trained soldiers in a war zone. The reason the M16 was able to shoulder its way in to the military so soon after the introduction of the M14 was that it was simply more lethal to human beings over the ranges that human beings most commonly kill each other.. That's true of the AR15 civilian model as well.


Actually, the reason they Adopted the M-16 was because they were closing the Springfield Armory and wanted to give a contract to Colt.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:48 PM
Nothing.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:58 PM

fredklein: This About That: In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States,

Nope. That'd be the "standing armies" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence:


Umm, the redcoats are the US Army?

You conservatives are real smart-like, yep, I tell you what.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:06 PM

bim1154: Glancing Blow: Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS

Yea, they're too busy protecting the rights of those neo-NAZI's to march in places like Waukegan, Illinois.

Didn't you mean Skokie, Il.
Link


Yes, you're right. It was around the time that I first joined the ACLU and it cost them dearly with their (some now X-)Jewish members.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:29 PM
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Turds like to complain, but notice how they never actually address the succinct legal and policy reasons the ACLU gives for its views on the 2nd Amendment. Also note that the NRA's own list includes the ACLU merely for daring to take a collective rather than an individualist position on gun ownership--as advocated by the SCOTUS in the 1939 Miller case. This apparently is called "hating guns." Among all the other reasons cited, this is how the NRA gives fodder to its critics. By acting as if everyone else must either agree or be blacklisted.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:40 PM
FTFL:

National Association of Police Organizations
National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
National Education Association
National Association of Elementary School Principals*



Hmm, if those guys think your plan to make sure the fourth hour chemistry teacher is strapped is a bit nuts, you might want to take a look at your policies.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:55 PM

zenobia: inglixthemad: NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.

I honestly believe the NRA stopped fighting for the 2nd Amendment years ago, and became nothing but a front for manufacturers. That's when I quit funding them. Let Colt, S&W, and so one pay for their lobbying. They sure as heck don't need my money.

I honestly find it hilarious and scary, the NRA has some people so snowed that the 2nd Amendment would disappear in few years without them.

You, sir, may keep your guns.

/sanity test


Do you want irony? I am currently working for a defense contractor in a concealed carry state.

That's right: no private weapons allowed on the property.
 
2013-01-06 08:12:08 PM

Kome: Those limits have been in place for probably longer than you or I have been alive. I meant specifically limit your enumerated rights as they currently stand.


When discussing specifically the 2nd, not much. I would be amenable to making sure that the law stays up to speed with respect to the indiscriminate nature of weapons. Banning semi-autos? No. Banning extended magazines. Not really as this is a minor thing with respect to how quickly someone can reload.
 
2013-01-06 08:12:09 PM

Kome: All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.


True...to an extent. But I also had a problem with an anti-illegal-immigration group publishing the names and addresses of illegals (from publicly available arrest records) in the midwest a while back. Most liberals were insanely outraged over it. I am consistent. Most liberals are not. Not even close.

In other words, I wish we (liberals) could make up our minds if mining personal data, and then publishing (or selling) it is acceptable or not. Seems like a very slippery slope many liberals are defending out of political convenience lately.
 
2013-01-06 08:13:59 PM

HeadLever: The only difference is the initiative to exercise said rights.


The actual difference is over whether an material item exists. You can have all the initiative you want and that doesn't create anything material. Conflating the actual with the potential means that all distinctions collapse. I can add all the zeros I want to my bank account balance and it while true it makes me no richer.
 
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