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2013-01-06 07:39:31 PM

2wolves: Cuisine excuses slavery?


Have you ever had a Babes Chicken Fried Steak?
 
2013-01-06 07:39:48 PM

ThatGuyOverThere: Lets not forget that my 1942-stamped M1 was probably owned by somebody's grandpa - it's 70yrs old. The man I bought it from is old enough to be my father and he said his father had kept it in a safe for 40yrs - longer than I've been alive.


Let's not forget that Obama has vowed take that gun away from you. UN soldiers are probably knocking on your door as I write this. Godspeed!
 
2013-01-06 07:39:49 PM
Original Article Date: 03/01/2012

WTF Subby?
 
2013-01-06 07:39:57 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Right wingers claim that guns in private hands are needed to oust a possible tyrant; but when tyranny comes to America, it will be to the thunderous applause of Fox Izvestia and the same right wingers who claim to be defending a citizen militia.


Tyranny exist in many forms and will not come in one swift stroke. Ask Randy Weaver about that.
 
2013-01-06 07:39:58 PM

buckler: Sock Ruh Tease: The list:

American Firearms Association

lol wut?

Seems the AFA has a dual role. (eyeroll).


Does the AFA even exist? A quick google search doesn't show any working webpages for the AFA
 
2013-01-06 07:40:24 PM

Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.


There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.
 
2013-01-06 07:40:39 PM
Well how come there aren't any members of Congress listed? Oh, I see, that's a separate list - never mind.
 
2013-01-06 07:40:52 PM

thatboyoverthere: ...Hypocrisy at its finest, right up there with Matt (AKA JASON BOURNE) Damon and Michael (AKA MY ARMED GUARD JUST GOT ARRESTED IN NEW YORK FOR VIOLATING GUN LAWS) Moore - both of which are also on that list.

And how many death threats has Micheal Moore recieved? And in this poltical climate can you look me in the eye and tell me that someone crazy enough wouldn't try to shoot him because he's a libural?


Until his bodyguard got arrested for violating gun law, I don't think most of us knew he had an armed guard. If somebody really wanted to kill him, they probably would try it, with or without a guard.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:01 PM

david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

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Oh Snap.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:03 PM

thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.


How did getting shot at more than once make him a pussy? If that was going to do it, I'd think once would be enough.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:12 PM

Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.


It's made up of a lot of people who have, or would have in the past, found have found themselves the target of various anti-1st amendment groups such as groups claiming to be anti-communist, anti-pornography, anti-birth control (even the discussion of methods), etc.

Some rights are more equal than others apparently.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:13 PM

Confabulat: Shae123: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Internet toughguy..he calls people names...wow, what a stud....

More studly than needing a gun to feel like a man.


You think?
 
2013-01-06 07:41:14 PM

Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.


Because so many people die to so called "assault rifles." 323 rifle murders in 2011 vs 6220 handgun murders. Many of the rifles most likely weren't even "assault rifles."

Get rid of $125 Saturday Night Special pistols in the ghetto, and the murder rate with guns will keep dropping...not that it isn't drastically dropping every year anyway.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Link

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2013-01-06 07:41:23 PM
I would love to see a nation-wide debate on gun control wherein reasonable, intelligent, and open-minded people, on both sides of the issue, take the time to actually listen and respond thoughtfully to the other side's arguments.

A friend and I actually did this and once we realized what the other was saying, and had clarifications when needed, realized that he, a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, and I, a firm advocate for keeping guns out of the hands of people who misuse them, both actually want the same thing.

I think very few people are against taking guns away from responsible private citizens. We all should be against guns in the possession of felons, gang-members, the insane, and criminals. I don't know what the solution is, other than stiffer penalties for illegal possession and/or use of a gun. If, for example, every felon caught in possession of a gun, every criminal using a gun to commit a crime, were given a mandatory life sentence, with no hope for parole, and no exceptions, our gun control problem would be straightened out in a few years. Of course, that would put a strain on our already strained prison system, so probably isn't feasible. I don't know where the solution lies, but guns must be kept out of the hands of certain elements of our population.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:38 PM
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2013-01-06 07:41:39 PM

penfold314: buckler: Sock Ruh Tease: The list:

American Firearms Association

lol wut?

Seems the AFA has a dual role. (eyeroll).

Does the AFA even exist? A quick google search doesn't show any working webpages for the AFA


There ya go.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:42 PM

NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.


False dichotomy.

If there weren't the modern NRA there is no reason to believe we couldn't have another group (others do in fact exist) defend gun rights without all the NRA bullshiat.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:50 PM

Anderson's Pooper: NRA members are all well mannered law abiding citizens. There is no apprecible risk to their opponents.


msnbcmedia.msn.com
o'rly?
 
2013-01-06 07:42:22 PM
This is the dumbest issue yet. How is it possible for the discourse in this nation to get more stupid year after year for eternity? I mean, that should be impossible, right? How long until we go back to throwing our poop at each other? Soon, I hope. This slow descent into retardation is worse than a Chinese water torture.
 
2013-01-06 07:42:44 PM

jso2897: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.

How did getting shot at more than once make him a pussy? If that was going to do it, I'd think once would be enough.


It was a demonstration of his flawed logic,

grammar nazi
 
2013-01-06 07:43:26 PM
I was straddling the fence on this issue until I saw Chaka Khan's name on that list.

I loves me some Chaka Khan.
 
2013-01-06 07:43:49 PM
So what?

It's public domain.

Anyone can look this stuff up.

Why do you find this uncomfortable?
 
2013-01-06 07:44:22 PM

violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.


Missed that.

Truly amazing and way beyond sad.
 
2013-01-06 07:44:45 PM
I would just like to take this moment to thank the NRA from saving me the trouble of researching and compiling a list of persons and organizations I can support.
 
2013-01-06 07:44:50 PM
Pillar #3 of Republicans - Hypocrisy.

Wah wah when others do it, but then we're going to do the same exact thing. Amazing how pathetic these people are.

"Do as we say, not as we do." - Idiots everywhere.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:01 PM

NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group..


Incorrect. The NRA is a pro gun manufacturers lobby. If they were pro guns, they'd be supporting the 2nd Amendment's requirement to be in a well regulated militia to use a gun.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:07 PM
it's time people take the NRA seriously
and realize that the only answer to guns is guns,

then blow away everybody at the NRA annual picnic
with automatic weapons.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:15 PM
You can fully support the second amendment and still not want your crazy redneck neighbor to own an AK-47 for "squirrel hunting"

Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:25 PM
As a gun owner (I currently own 3 guns) who supports both the Second Amendment AND keeping guns out of the hands of nuts, flakes, and other assorted lunatics, I'm vehemently anti-NRA.

/we're not all crazy, fear mongering idiots
//Feinstein and her ilk should be removed from office for violating their oath, though
 
2013-01-06 07:45:36 PM

Kome: Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.


If Thomas Wayne had been armed we wouldn't have had any problems in Aurora.
 
2013-01-06 07:46:07 PM

JosephFinn: If they were pro guns, they'd be supporting the 2nd Amendment's requirement to be in a well regulated militia to use a gun.


Where is that requirement?
 
2013-01-06 07:46:44 PM

LazerFish: Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.


It's worked pretty well in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
 
2013-01-06 07:48:18 PM

mrEdude: it's time people take the NRA seriously
and realize that the only answer to guns is guns,

then blow away everybody at the NRA annual picnic
with automatic weapons.


But it's the 'gun nuts' who are bloodthirsty?
 
2013-01-06 07:48:22 PM

Kome: In other words, maybe we need to change it. We've certainly ignored it several times.


I am not against change. I will, however, oppose those those that will arbitrarily and capriciously limit my enumerated rights.
 
2013-01-06 07:48:23 PM
Why isnt the NRA on that list? They backed the only anti-gun candidate who has passed anti second amendment legislation.
 
2013-01-06 07:48:24 PM

viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.

The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.


Well, you can't have my gun. Listen, genius, a "well regulated militia" was needed at the time the nation was founded inorder to provide for the defense of the country. In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States, not the gun manufacturing lobby or the delusional minds of pseudo-tough guys with guns who like to talk about armed insurrection against the government. You may be surprised to hear that I, too, oppose taking away my right to own a gun. I keep a gun because of the nuts and criminals who also have guns.

There are too many guns and too many gun sellers to do away with, or even effectively regulate, guns. Like lawyers, guns are necessary because guns exist.

Hunters nowadays hunt for "sport". Defense of the nation is handled by the armed forces. Guns for "home protection" more often injure the owner or his kids than some "intruder". Guns make their owners feel like superheros when they are really fools. So stop telling me about the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment. It isn't so.
 
2013-01-06 07:49:14 PM

LazerFish: You can fully support the second amendment and still not want your crazy redneck neighbor to own an AK-47 for "squirrel hunting"

Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.


And i presume that you're a qualified, board-certified psychiatrist with years of experience to be able to diagnose your "red neck neighbor" as being crazy?
 
2013-01-06 07:49:24 PM

LazerFish: Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well.


Worked fine for Randy Weaver.
 
2013-01-06 07:49:43 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


Zombies who require extra bullets?
 
2013-01-06 07:49:52 PM

Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison

"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
- James Madison

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
- Richard Henry Lee

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

" ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton


You should google those quotes before you copy pasta them from pro gun sites. There are a few fakes.
 
2013-01-06 07:51:14 PM

This About That: viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.

The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.

Well, you can't have my gun. Listen, genius, a "well regulated militia" was needed at the time the nation was founded inorder to provide for the defense of the country. In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States, not the gun manufacturing lobby or the delusional minds of pseudo-tough guys with guns who like to talk about armed insurrection against the government. You may be surprised to hear that I, too, oppose taking away my right to own a gun. I keep a gun because of the nuts and criminals who also have guns.

There are too many guns and too many gun sellers to do away with, or even effectively regulate, guns. Like lawyers, guns are necessary because guns exist.

Hunters nowadays hunt for "sport". Defense of the nation is handled by the armed forces. Guns for "home protection" more often injure the owner or his kids than some "intruder". Guns make their owners feel like superheros when they are really fools. So stop telling me about the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment. It isn't so.


Except your entire interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is both factually void and incorrect, and not based on any merit or understanding of either the existing laws of the US or the supporting data for the interpretation of the 2A.

Sorry.
 
2013-01-06 07:51:30 PM

Silly Jesus: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Do you know what the scary word semi-automatic means? It means that the gun fires one bullet at a time. OH NOES!


This.

That said, if you feel threatened because someone fired you for being gay or might not allow you to marry, you're a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

/it's all about limiting one's ability to fulfill their legal desires
//that's why Confab's is a losing argument

We have laws against killing people. Apparently laws are not the issue, as they don't stop sick people from doing sick things. Maybe keeping the guns out of the hands of psycho's....nah, that requires actual effort. Unpossible!
 
2013-01-06 07:52:23 PM

HeadLever: Kome: In other words, maybe we need to change it. We've certainly ignored it several times.

I am not against change. I will, however, oppose those those that will arbitrarily and capriciously limit my enumerated rights.


And if the reasoning is neither arbitrary or capricious, but would still limit your enumerated rights, what then?
 
2013-01-06 07:53:45 PM

violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.


THIS
 
2013-01-06 07:53:55 PM
I suppose publishing an enemies list is at least something new. Going forward, I wonder if they'll publish an updated list after every mass shooting, or just the ones where children are the targets.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:12 PM

Kome: And if the reasoning is neither arbitrary or capricious, but would still limit your enumerated rights, what then?


There are certain things that can limit these rights. Can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

However, things like thumbhole stocks and barrel shrouds have no impact on the function of these 'scary looking weapons' are basically arbitrary or capricious regarding the issue at hand.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:14 PM
I saw "Black Mental Health Alliance" on the list, but totally read it as "Black Metal Health Alliance".
And there was a moment of awesome confusion.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:43 PM

Kome: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.

Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.


Batman?
 
BHK
2013-01-06 07:56:48 PM

pedrop357: buckler: Sure would have helped if Reagan hadn't dumped them all on the streets.

He hasn't been president in 25 YEARS. What explanation is there for the next Presidents not doing anything?


Exactly. "Dumping them on the streets" implies that they had been taken off the streets at some point by someone. Why didn't someone do it again? Why didn't all those whiners who complain about Reagan go and help those unfortunates who were dumped on the streets get help? There are many foundations which help the mentally ill which are stretched to the limit yet do amazing work. Cut them a check if you are so concerned, or go volunteer. I have taken in a few people myself, when my girlfriend was one of those people. Reagan probably did them a favor by taking them out of the state-run institutions which were absolutely inhumane in many cases.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:55 PM

farkplug: AmendmentS. There could be hundreds. And it'd be kinda sweet if a woman used her pretty little head and contributed to the mix this time, don't you think? (remember... 2013!!!! cue scary ghost music)


This reminds me of a scene from Heinleins's The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

One female (most were men, but women made up for it in silliness) had a long list she wanted made
permanent laws-about private matters. No more plural marriage of any sort. No divorces. No
"fornication"-had to look that one up. No drinks stronger than 4% beer. Church services only on
Saturdays and all else to stop that day. (Air and temperature and pressure engineering, lady? Phones and
capsules?) A long list of drugs to be prohibited and a shorter list dispensed only by licensed physicians.
(What is a "licensed physician"? Healer I go to has a sign reading "practical doctor"-makes book on
side, which is why I go to him. Look, lady, aren't any medical schools in Luna!) (Then, I mean.) She even
wanted to make gambling illegal. If a Loonie couldn't roll double or nothing, he would go to a shop that
would, even if dice were loaded.
Thing that got me was not her list of things she hated, since she was obviously crazy as a Cyborg,
but fact that always somebody agreed with her prohibitions. Must be a yearning deep in human heart to
stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws-always for other fellow. A murky part of us,
something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because
not one of those people said: "Please pass this so that I won't be able to do something I know I should
stop." Nyet,tovarishchee , was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them "for their
own good"-not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it.
...
Signing of Declaration of Independence went as Prof said it would.
...
Well, take that woman who hated everything. She was there with list; read it aloud and
moved to have it incorporated into Declaration "so that the peoples of Terra will know that we are
civilized and fit to take our places in the councils of mankind!"
Prof not only let her get away with it; he encouraged her, letting her talk when other people wanted
to-then blandly put her proposal to a vote when hadn't even been seconded. (Congress operated by
rules they had wrangled over for days. Prof was familiar with rules but followed them only as suited him.)
She was voted down in a shout, and left.
 
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