2wolves: Cuisine excuses slavery?
ThatGuyOverThere: Lets not forget that my 1942-stamped M1 was probably owned by somebody's grandpa - it's 70yrs old. The man I bought it from is old enough to be my father and he said his father had kept it in a safe for 40yrs - longer than I've been alive.
Lee Jackson Beauregard: Right wingers claim that guns in private hands are needed to oust a possible tyrant; but when tyranny comes to America, it will be to the thunderous applause of Fox Izvestia and the same right wingers who claim to be defending a citizen militia.
buckler: Sock Ruh Tease: The list:American Firearms Associationlol wut?Seems the AFA has a dual role. (eyeroll).
Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.I'm always happy to meet a fan.
thatboyoverthere: ...Hypocrisy at its finest, right up there with Matt (AKA JASON BOURNE) Damon and Michael (AKA MY ARMED GUARD JUST GOT ARRESTED IN NEW YORK FOR VIOLATING GUN LAWS) Moore - both of which are also on that list.And how many death threats has Micheal Moore recieved? And in this poltical climate can you look me in the eye and tell me that someone crazy enough wouldn't try to shoot him because he's a libural?
david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels."A free people ought to be armed."- George WashingtonCool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 735x412]
thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.
Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.
Confabulat: Shae123: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.Internet toughguy..he calls people names...wow, what a stud....More studly than needing a gun to feel like a man.
Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.
penfold314: buckler: Sock Ruh Tease: The list:American Firearms Associationlol wut?Seems the AFA has a dual role. (eyeroll).Does the AFA even exist? A quick google search doesn't show any working webpages for the AFA
NFA: Submitter, why is this scary? The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group. Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents. They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights. Do I agree with the NRA all the time? Nope. I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.
Anderson's Pooper: NRA members are all well mannered law abiding citizens. There is no apprecible risk to their opponents.
jso2897: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.How did getting shot at more than once make him a pussy? If that was going to do it, I'd think once would be enough.
violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.
NFA: Submitter, why is this scary? The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group..
Kome: Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.
JosephFinn: If they were pro guns, they'd be supporting the 2nd Amendment's requirement to be in a well regulated militia to use a gun.
LazerFish: Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.
mrEdude: it's time people take the NRA seriouslyand realize that the only answer to guns is guns,then blow away everybody at the NRA annual picnicwith automatic weapons.
Kome: In other words, maybe we need to change it. We've certainly ignored it several times.
viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.
LazerFish: You can fully support the second amendment and still not want your crazy redneck neighbor to own an AK-47 for "squirrel hunting"Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.
LazerFish: Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well.
Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.Jackie Cooper died in 2011.Nora Ephron died in 2012Coretta Scott King died in 2006Sydney Pollack died in 2008Ruth Warrick died in 2005James Whitmore died in 2009Andy Williams died in 2012
Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels."A free people ought to be armed."- George Washington"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."- George Washington"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."- Thomas Jefferson"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."- Thomas Jefferson"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."- Thomas Jefferson"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."- Thomas Jefferson"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."- John Adams"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."- George Mason"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."- Noah Webster"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."- Noah Webster"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."- James Madison"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."- James Madison"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."- James Madison"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."- James Madison"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."- William Pitt"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."- Richard Henry Lee"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."- Richard Henry Lee"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."- Patrick Henry"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."- St. George Tucker"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."- Thomas Paine"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."- Samuel Adams"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."- Joseph Story"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts" ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."- Alexander Hamilton
This About That: viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.Well, you can't have my gun. Listen, genius, a "well regulated militia" was needed at the time the nation was founded inorder to provide for the defense of the country. In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States, not the gun manufacturing lobby or the delusional minds of pseudo-tough guys with guns who like to talk about armed insurrection against the government. You may be surprised to hear that I, too, oppose taking away my right to own a gun. I keep a gun because of the nuts and criminals who also have guns.There are too many guns and too many gun sellers to do away with, or even effectively regulate, guns. Like lawyers, guns are necessary because guns exist.Hunters nowadays hunt for "sport". Defense of the nation is handled by the armed forces. Guns for "home protection" more often injure the owner or his kids than some "intruder". Guns make their owners feel like superheros when they are really fools. So stop telling me about the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment. It isn't so.
Silly Jesus: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.Do you know what the scary word semi-automatic means? It means that the gun fires one bullet at a time. OH NOES!
HeadLever: Kome: In other words, maybe we need to change it. We've certainly ignored it several times.I am not against change. I will, however, oppose those those that will arbitrarily and capriciously limit my enumerated rights.
Kome: And if the reasoning is neither arbitrary or capricious, but would still limit your enumerated rights, what then?
Kome: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.
pedrop357: buckler: Sure would have helped if Reagan hadn't dumped them all on the streets.He hasn't been president in 25 YEARS. What explanation is there for the next Presidents not doing anything?
farkplug: AmendmentS. There could be hundreds. And it'd be kinda sweet if a woman used her pretty little head and contributed to the mix this time, don't you think? (remember... 2013!!!! cue scary ghost music)
One female (most were men, but women made up for it in silliness) had a long list she wanted madepermanent laws-about private matters. No more plural marriage of any sort. No divorces. No"fornication"-had to look that one up. No drinks stronger than 4% beer. Church services only onSaturdays and all else to stop that day. (Air and temperature and pressure engineering, lady? Phones andcapsules?) A long list of drugs to be prohibited and a shorter list dispensed only by licensed physicians.(What is a "licensed physician"? Healer I go to has a sign reading "practical doctor"-makes book onside, which is why I go to him. Look, lady, aren't any medical schools in Luna!) (Then, I mean.) She evenwanted to make gambling illegal. If a Loonie couldn't roll double or nothing, he would go to a shop thatwould, even if dice were loaded.Thing that got me was not her list of things she hated, since she was obviously crazy as a Cyborg,but fact that always somebody agreed with her prohibitions. Must be a yearning deep in human heart tostop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws-always for other fellow. A murky part of us,something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Becausenot one of those people said: "Please pass this so that I won't be able to do something I know I shouldstop." Nyet,tovarishchee , was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them "for theirown good"-not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it....Signing of Declaration of Independence went as Prof said it would....Well, take that woman who hated everything. She was there with list; read it aloud andmoved to have it incorporated into Declaration "so that the peoples of Terra will know that we arecivilized and fit to take our places in the councils of mankind!"Prof not only let her get away with it; he encouraged her, letting her talk when other people wantedto-then blandly put her proposal to a vote when hadn't even been seconded. (Congress operated byrules they had wrangled over for days. Prof was familiar with rules but followed them only as suited him.)She was voted down in a shout, and left.
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