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2013-01-06 03:02:38 PM  
It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-01-06 03:05:50 PM  
Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.
 
2013-01-06 03:06:10 PM  
Pam Dawber, Peter Bonerz and Sandy "Funny Face" Duncan are on their knees thanking God right now.
 
2013-01-06 03:07:20 PM  
I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.
 
2013-01-06 03:11:46 PM  
The list:

American Firearms Association

lol wut?
 
2013-01-06 03:14:29 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.


For every basic human right, there's a movement opposed to it.
 
2013-01-06 03:25:13 PM  
It's not at all surprising to see Peter Bogdonovich on that list.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-06 03:31:35 PM  
Can I have a map with crosshairs over the anti-gun groups?
 
2013-01-06 03:39:30 PM  
It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.
 
2013-01-06 03:39:32 PM  
Kansas City Chiefs

Yeah, I can't imagine why they would be on that list.

/sarcasm
//Most NFL teams do use the shotgun though.
 
2013-01-06 03:40:42 PM  

ZAZ: Can I have a map with crosshairs over the anti-gun groups?


Surveyor's marks. They're surveyor's marks.
 
2013-01-06 03:41:03 PM  

St_Francis_P: ZAZ: Can I have a map with crosshairs over the anti-gun groups?

Surveyor's marks. They're surveyor's marks.


I see I'm not needed here.
 
2013-01-06 03:51:49 PM  
Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012
 
2013-01-06 03:59:52 PM  
It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.
 
2013-01-06 04:05:54 PM  
The pro gun paranoia is already palpable in this thread
 
2013-01-06 04:07:40 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: The pro gun paranoia is already palpable in this thread


They didn't give this the "Scary" tag, did they?
 
2013-01-06 04:09:57 PM  
That's a big list --- must be a lot of people in there. Obviously all of America is wrong.
 
2013-01-06 04:10:16 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


Doubletap Rule?
 
2013-01-06 04:16:42 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


Their anti-gun sentiment is so strong it stretches beyond the grave.
 
2013-01-06 04:17:10 PM  

edmo: That's a big list --- must be a lot of people in there. Obviously all of America is wrong.


Based on this list, it seems to me that the only people in the US that have a problem with guns is everyone.
 
2013-01-06 04:49:02 PM  
Why is this scary?
 
2013-01-06 04:56:48 PM  
Vinny Testaverde - NFL player

I'm against Testaverde holding a firearm, personally.  He couldn't shoot a meatball off of a Christmas tree.
 
2013-01-06 05:00:10 PM  
"Anti Second Amendment people were so wrong to publish the names and addresses of gun owners that we are going to do the exact same thing, but its okay when we do it, because we're the NRA."
 
2013-01-06 05:03:08 PM  
fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns. Like Alton motherfarking Brown

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2013-01-06 05:07:06 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: "Anti Second Amendment people were so wrong to publish the names and addresses of gun owners that we are going to do the exact same thing, but its okay when we do it, because we're the NRA."


"publishing the names of public people and organizations is the exact same thing as publishing the addresses of private citizens (many of whom are cops, and are now threatened by criminals [look it up. Im on my phone and not doing your homework]) because I'm sleeping Monkey and I have no ability to reason"
 
2013-01-06 05:26:29 PM  
I'm sure that this in no way lumps together anyone and everyone who supports any form of gun control into the "anti-2nd-amendment movement."

That would just be terrible.
 
2013-01-06 05:29:16 PM  

LasersHurt: I'm sure that this in no way lumps together anyone and everyone who supports any form of gun control into the "anti-2nd-amendment movement."

That would just be terrible.


You're right... it doesn't. Just like the way anybody that wants to own a gun can be accurately described as a "gun nut".
 
2013-01-06 05:33:16 PM  

Mrbogey: Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.

For every basic human right, there's a movement opposed to it.


So that's why the Confederacy existed.
 
2013-01-06 05:41:17 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: You're right... it doesn't. Just like the way anybody that wants to own a gun can be accurately described as a "gun nut".


I think most NRA members can accurately be described as "gun nuts." But they're a very small percentage of gun owners.
 
2013-01-06 05:41:40 PM  

Mrbogey: Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.

For every basic human right, there's a movement opposed to it.


Heh.. If I was mistaken you're comparing gun ownership to a basic human right akin to freedom or equality. Oh wait, you are.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

Okay, carry on
 
2013-01-06 05:41:49 PM  

2wolves: Mrbogey: Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.

For every basic human right, there's a movement opposed to it.

So that's why the Confederacy existed.


Ba-ZING!
 
2013-01-06 05:45:04 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


It's already started!


Frank N Stein: fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns. Like Alton motherfarking Brown

[savethegun.files.wordpress.com image 300x473]


At least he admits it only has one purpose.
 
2013-01-06 05:47:43 PM  

fusillade762: Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012

It's already started!


Frank N Stein: fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns. Like Alton motherfarking Brown

[savethegun.files.wordpress.com image 300x473]

At least he admits it only has one purpose.


Shooting things? Well duh, that's what guns are made for.

/oh wait, you meant that it's a murder machine.
//time to call te police on Mr Brown, looks like he murdered someone.
 
2013-01-06 05:51:32 PM  
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.
 
2013-01-06 06:08:26 PM  

2wolves: Mrbogey: Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.

For every basic human right, there's a movement opposed to it.

So that's why the Confederacy existed.


Whatever, we have better food.
 
2013-01-06 06:13:01 PM  

NFA: The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates manufacturers, so they do their best to defend their rights.


ftfy
 
2013-01-06 06:31:36 PM  

violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.


Probably because its a property right (not a civil liberty) and duplicating resources that the NRA already deploys wouldn't be very effective as an organizational strategy?
 
2013-01-06 06:35:03 PM  

Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.


Says someone who lives in Boston (allegedly)  as opposed to um, Phoenix and never had a gun pulled on her.
 
2013-01-06 06:49:24 PM  
Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.
 
2013-01-06 06:51:08 PM  
Oh fark, the LOPCATGOPATA is going to double
 
2013-01-06 06:53:14 PM  

AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.


Right... we should totally make it illegal for crooks to have guns.

That'll definitely help.
 
2013-01-06 06:53:15 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


I see what you did there.
 
2013-01-06 06:54:43 PM  
When your list of "opponents" includes the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, and American Psychological Association, and we haven't even gotten out of the "A" letters, you may seriously need to re-think your position.
 
2013-01-06 06:55:42 PM  
Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.
 
2013-01-06 06:56:16 PM  
Our militia isn't regulated well enough.
 
2013-01-06 06:56:52 PM  
...we are watching you.

Not an implied threat at all. Penis.
 
2013-01-06 06:57:18 PM  
Nothing will happen with this list. The NRA members who read it will talk tough and maybe rage jack it, but none of the people on the list are in any danger.

People who hem and haw over things like the "anti-second Amendment" movement are basically the real life equivalent of the Chicken Hawk from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons. All the list will do is feed their Red Dawn fantasy.
 
2013-01-06 06:57:22 PM  

Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.


That's likely good news if you're a woman.
 
2013-01-06 06:58:32 PM  
Oh yay another thread where we can accuse gun nuts of being pants pissers and gun control freaks of being rabid human rights violators.
 
2013-01-06 06:59:51 PM  

NFA: Submitter, why is this scary? The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group. Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.


Their JOB is to put fear into the minds of impressionable people who will write them checks.

And those people are mostly ignorant paranoids, who are itching to be the next George Zimmerman, John Hinckley, or Adam Lanza.
 
2013-01-06 06:59:56 PM  

Somacandra: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

Probably because its a property right (not a civil liberty) and duplicating resources that the NRA already deploys wouldn't be very effective as an organizational strategy?


Civil Liberty:

Freedom from arbitrary governmental interference (as with the right of free speech) specifically by denial of governmental power and in the United States especially as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.
 
2013-01-06 07:00:09 PM  

NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.


I honestly believe the NRA stopped fighting for the 2nd Amendment years ago, and became nothing but a front for manufacturers. That's when I quit funding them. Let Colt, S&W, and so one pay for their lobbying. They sure as heck don't need my money.

I honestly find it hilarious and scary, the NRA has some people so snowed that the 2nd Amendment would disappear in few years without them.
 
2013-01-06 07:00:25 PM  
NRA members are all well mannered law abiding citizens. There is no apprecible risk to their opponents.
 
2013-01-06 07:01:12 PM  

Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.


Do you know what the scary word semi-automatic means? It means that the gun fires one bullet at a time. OH NOES!
 
2013-01-06 07:01:27 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012

I see what you did there.


I don't.

/What does this random collection of letters mean?
 
2013-01-06 07:01:45 PM  

Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.


My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.
 
2013-01-06 07:01:54 PM  

jaytkay: NFA: Submitter, why is this scary? The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group. Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.

Their JOB is to put fear into the minds of impressionable people who will write them checks.

And those people are mostly ignorant paranoids, who are itching to be the next George Zimmerman, John Hinckley, or Adam Lanza.


Laf Out Loud

7/10
 
2013-01-06 07:02:15 PM  
Being on an anti-NRA list would be a boost to any celebrity or organization. As one person once put it, it's like getting hate mail from Hitler.
 
2013-01-06 07:03:17 PM  

NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.


I wonder how pro-gun they really are, as the last presidential election the NRA endorsed the candidate who signed into law an assault weapons ban. One can only wonder the reasoning behind endorsing said candidate, over the one who has signed laws expanding gun rights...
 
2013-01-06 07:04:01 PM  
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this tactic and if there is you should probably stop singling out the NRA for doing it... Since it's a fairly common tactic employed by all sides left, right, and center.
 
2013-01-06 07:04:42 PM  
Prohibition has worked sooooo well, let's extend it to guns too.

/Now that so-called-facists-progressives have shown their cards
//I will never register another firearm.
 
2013-01-06 07:05:05 PM  
This isn't fair. I want to respond to more than half the comments. Please green-light more pro/anti gun topics.

Oh, the list:
It does not say why names were added to the list.
It does not rank them by threat level.
It does not indicate the duration of their opposition, nor the date it was first detected.
It does not indicate whether their opposition was once, many, or ongoing.
. . .

This is a disgraceful enemies list. For help, visit the Nixon Library.
 
2013-01-06 07:05:28 PM  

zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.


"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison

"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
- James Madison

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
- Richard Henry Lee

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

" ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton
 
2013-01-06 07:05:49 PM  

Kome: When your list of "opponents" includes the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, and American Psychological Association, and we haven't even gotten out of the "A" letters, you may seriously need to re-think your position.


When those "A" letter organizations are against the Bill of Rights, they may need to seriously re-think their position.
 
2013-01-06 07:06:19 PM  

david_gaithersburg: I will never register another firearm.


I take it you'll also take to driving without a valid license...
 
2013-01-06 07:06:23 PM  

inglixthemad: NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.

I honestly believe the NRA stopped fighting for the 2nd Amendment years ago, and became nothing but a front for manufacturers. That's when I quit funding them. Let Colt, S&W, and so one pay for their lobbying. They sure as heck don't need my money.

I honestly find it hilarious and scary, the NRA has some people so snowed that the 2nd Amendment would disappear in few years without them.


You, sir, may keep your guns.

/sanity test
 
2013-01-06 07:06:34 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Pam Dawber, Peter Bonerz and Sandy "Funny Face" Duncan are on their knees thanking God right now.



Are you saying they rolled over in their graves?
 
2013-01-06 07:06:56 PM  

Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.


No I'm not!?!?!?! Bushmaster told me I'm a manly man, and I'm tough, and rugged!!!!!
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2013-01-06 07:08:55 PM  

WhyteRaven74: david_gaithersburg: I will never register another firearm.

I take it you'll also take to driving without a valid license...


.
I take it you are not familiar with inalienable rights.
 
2013-01-06 07:08:59 PM  
Cuisine excuses slavery?
 
2013-01-06 07:09:28 PM  
Liberal logic:

Obama wants to create a list of all the guns and their owners: SUPER SMART! Nothing to worry about!

The NRA created a list of people that are opposed to gun freedom: OMGS THEY BE MAKING LISTS UP IN THIS BIATCH! DONT THEY KNOW LISTS BE EVIL?
 
2013-01-06 07:09:32 PM  

NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.


This must be the short list. Levi Strauss and Sprint are missing, probably hundreds of others.
 
2013-01-06 07:11:43 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: The list:

American Firearms Association

lol wut?


Seems the AFA has a dual role. (eyeroll).
 
2013-01-06 07:11:52 PM  

david_gaithersburg: I take it you are not familiar with inalienable rights.


The ability to move about from place to place upon the public ways is an inalienable right.

halB: The NRA created a list of people that are opposed to gun freedom:


An organization that nominally has the same interest as the NRA is opposed to gun freedom? Really?
 
2013-01-06 07:12:09 PM  
:sigh:
Looks like I've got a whole lotta boycottin' ta do. Better eat another Jesus brand™ chicken sammich.
 
2013-01-06 07:12:09 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


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Cross them off, then!
 
2013-01-06 07:12:33 PM  

david_gaithersburg: I take it you are not familiar with inalienable rights.


You sound real smart. Tell us about inalienable rights and the US Constitution.

In detail, please.
 
2013-01-06 07:12:39 PM  

Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.


THIS

LOL
 
2013-01-06 07:12:40 PM  
Offer up a repeal amendment for the 2nd or quit your bellyaching. The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, That means you don't get to infringe,
 
2013-01-06 07:12:55 PM  
They're surveyor marks.
 
2013-01-06 07:12:56 PM  
Push a group hard enough and they'll push back. This group just happens to be extremely well armed. Our push back isn't going to be like the candyass responses of others.
 
2013-01-06 07:12:58 PM  
"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of an anti-gun group?"
 
2013-01-06 07:13:04 PM  

Silly Jesus: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Do you know what the scary word semi-automatic means? It means that the gun fires one bullet at a time. OH NOES!


I always find the disingenuous hee-hawing over words like "semi automatic" and "assault rifle" hilarious. Yes, a semi-automatic "assault rifle" is much more dangerous than a traditional long gun for a number of reasons, including but not limited to: the amount of barrel rise with the smaller caliber high-velocity round when firing quickly, the ease, speed of and time between reloading, and the grip style.

If you took your grandpa's hunting rifle and made it semi-automatic it wouldn't be much more dangerous because the barrel rise degrade the accuracy so much. For reference, see the problems with the M14 and why most of them had a pin inserted to prevent them from being fired fully-automatic.... even by trained soldiers in a war zone. The reason the M16 was able to shoulder its way in to the military so soon after the introduction of the M14 was that it was simply more lethal to human beings over the ranges that human beings most commonly kill each other.. That's true of the AR15 civilian model as well.
 
2013-01-06 07:13:41 PM  

halB: Obama wants to create a list of all the guns and their owners: SUPER SMART! Nothing to worry about!


He does?
 
2013-01-06 07:13:47 PM  

Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?
 
2013-01-06 07:14:58 PM  
"Oh noes, people know I own guns? Maybe I should start keeping that shiat locked up."


Personally I'd rather just let the crybabies have their toys and start working on some decent mental health care reform.
 
2013-01-06 07:15:17 PM  

Glancing Blow: Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?


Don't worry, he ignores everything they said about people doing as they please when it comes to things he doesn't like.
 
2013-01-06 07:15:23 PM  

jaytkay: david_gaithersburg: I take it you are not familiar with inalienable rights.

You sound real smart. Tell us about inalienable rights and the US Constitution.

In detail, please.


.
Sure. I'll host a course for you at $2,500 per seat once you line up 30 participants.
 
2013-01-06 07:15:56 PM  
Isn't that the same group that got upset when a newspaper published gun permit holders' information?

Isn't the same group that endorsed a Presidential candidate who pushed for gun bans?

Why do we believe them?
 
2013-01-06 07:16:04 PM  

Old enough to know better: "Oh noes, people know I own guns? Maybe I should start keeping that shiat locked up."


Personally I'd rather just let the crybabies have their toys and start working on some decent mental health care reform.


Sure would have helped if Reagan hadn't dumped them all on the streets.
 
2013-01-06 07:16:53 PM  
Anybody else notice Michel (AKA BURT MOTHERFARKING GUMMER) Gross in there?
Yes, the last half of his career he has been known for playing a character that stockpiles guns and repeatedly uses them to save people...
And he's actually anti-gun.
Hypocrisy at its finest, right up there with Matt (AKA JASON BOURNE) Damon and Michael (AKA MY ARMED GUARD JUST GOT ARRESTED IN NEW YORK FOR VIOLATING GUN LAWS) Moore - both of which are also on that list.
 
2013-01-06 07:16:59 PM  

Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.netView Full Size
 
2013-01-06 07:17:14 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: "Anti Second Amendment people were so wrong to publish the names and addresses of gun owners that we are going to do the exact same thing, but its okay when we do it, because we're the NRA."


you seem butthurt, libtardo von gungrabber
 
2013-01-06 07:17:29 PM  

Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.


Internet toughguy..he calls people names...wow, what a stud....
 
2013-01-06 07:18:35 PM  

david_gaithersburg: WhyteRaven74: david_gaithersburg: I will never register another firearm.

I take it you'll also take to driving without a valid license...

.
I take it you are not familiar with inalienable rights.


I take it you're not familiar with the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
 
2013-01-06 07:19:16 PM  

jaytkay: halB: Obama wants to create a list of all the guns and their owners: SUPER SMART! Nothing to worry about!

He does?


.
Yes, try reading the news, and pay attention.
 
2013-01-06 07:19:35 PM  

Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?


I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.
 
2013-01-06 07:19:51 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

So you also have cool quotes of people quoting people from the 18th century.

Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 735x412]

 
2013-01-06 07:20:26 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.


There isn't.

Hope that cleared things up.
 
2013-01-06 07:20:41 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Glancing Blow: Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

Don't worry, he ignores everything they said about people doing as they please when it comes to things he doesn't like.


Really? Do tell.
 
2013-01-06 07:20:45 PM  

had98c: Oh yay another thread where we can accuse gun nuts of being pants pissers and gun control freaks of being rabid human rights violators.


Yes. I, too, am thrilled to my very core.
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2013-01-06 07:21:30 PM  
Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over

etc.


Behold, at the upper right hand corner of this very post you will see four digits. That represents the year. Newsflash: this is 2013. Ever heard of an anachronism? The Constitution could do with a few more amendments.
 
2013-01-06 07:22:22 PM  

buckler: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.


I'm always happy to meet a fan.
 
2013-01-06 07:22:33 PM  

This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.


The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.
 
2013-01-06 07:22:51 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Mrbogey: Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.

For every basic human right, there's a movement opposed to it.

Heh.. If I was mistaken you're comparing gun ownership to a basic human right akin to freedom or equality. Oh wait, you are.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

Okay, carry on


Excellent.
 
2013-01-06 07:22:54 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 735x412]


And how did that work out for him?
 
2013-01-06 07:23:11 PM  

farkplug: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over

etc.

Behold, at the upper right hand corner of this very post you will see four digits. That represents the year. Newsflash: this is 2013. Ever heard of an anachronism? The Constitution could do with a few more amendments.


What amendment would you propose?
 
2013-01-06 07:24:00 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: Anybody else notice Michel (AKA BURT MOTHERFARKING GUMMER) Gross in there?
Yes, the last half of his career he has been known for playing a character that stockpiles guns and repeatedly uses them to save people...
And he's actually anti-gun.
Hypocrisy at its finest, right up there with Matt (AKA JASON BOURNE) Damon and Michael (AKA MY ARMED GUARD JUST GOT ARRESTED IN NEW YORK FOR VIOLATING GUN LAWS) Moore - both of which are also on that list.


And that Bastard Tony Hopkins, portraying Hannibal Lechter. Why, he's never eaten even one, single person!
 
2013-01-06 07:24:08 PM  
This is no different than gay rights activists noting those who oppose their own agenda. (Boy Scouts of America, Chic-Fil-A, Family research Council, etc, etc.)

It's exactly the same actually.
 
2013-01-06 07:24:46 PM  
Holy sweet Jeebus the comments after that article are terrifying. Above all others the one where the poster says that "It's OK to lose a few individuals in these situations to save the much bigger whole". I think Newtown might disagree. Unless the common thought is that it's important enough for unstable people to have access to ridiculous amounts of firepower that children need to die?

Is there ANYBODY out there that is both pro-gun and is sane enough to think there's room for improvement? All I've seen so far is the extreme: anybody that wants a gun has the Constitutionally guaranteed right to get one, no questions asked (or training required).

Surely there's got to a modicum of common sense. Somewhere? Please?
 
2013-01-06 07:24:52 PM  
Wait, I didn't make the list? I must try harder.
 
2013-01-06 07:25:26 PM  

david_gaithersburg: I'll host a course for you at $2,500 per seat once you line up 30 participants.


Clowns are MAX about $500 a show around here.

And that's only if you get divorce-dad paying the bill out of guilt.
 
2013-01-06 07:26:04 PM  
So the Nutty Raving Assholes assume that everyone who advocates gun control wants to take away all guns??

Not surprising, coming from the group that has gone out of its way to ensure that those bent on killing others have easy access to assault weapons.
 
2013-01-06 07:26:25 PM  
This comments section is a bona-fide watch list. Thanks fark!

/"Someone just shot up another school. I wonder what their Fark handle is?"
 
2013-01-06 07:26:40 PM  

tblax: david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 735x412]

And how did that work out for him?


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Perfectly, one of the worst presidents in history for dragging us into Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, etc.
 
2013-01-06 07:26:55 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: "Anti Second Amendment people were so wrong to publish the names and addresses of gun owners that we are going to do the exact same thing, but its okay when we do it, because we're the NRA."


No, it's different: One is publishing the names of people who had to ask permission from the government to own a handgun, something that they shouldn't have to do because it's an enumerated constitutional right.

The other is publishing the names of people who have actively shown their support opposing that right, and people who are in the public eye already to boot, so they have a much lowered expectation of privacy.
 
2013-01-06 07:27:27 PM  

Lorelle: So the Nutty Raving Assholes assume that everyone who advocates gun control wants to take away all guns??

Not surprising, coming from the group that has gone out of its way to ensure that those bent on killing others have easy access to assault weapons.


The people at both of the extreme ends of this discussion make a lot of preposterous assumptions about each other.
 
2013-01-06 07:27:37 PM  
Ted Nugent's music sucks too.
 
2013-01-06 07:28:09 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

No I'm not!?!?!?! Bushmaster told me I'm a manly man, and I'm tough, and rugged!!!!!


The funny thing is that anyone would consider the AR15 manly.

FN-FAL or GTFO.
 
2013-01-06 07:28:39 PM  

jaytkay: And those people are mostly ignorant paranoids, who are itching to be the next George Zimmerman, John Hinckley, or Adam Lanza.


That's a very common assumption that's quite wrong.
 
2013-01-06 07:29:07 PM  
Right wingers claim that guns in private hands are needed to oust a possible tyrant; but when tyranny comes to America, it will be to the thunderous applause of Fox Izvestia and the same right wingers who claim to be defending a citizen militia.

The reason I can't get behind an "assault weapons" ban is quite different. There's no way short of an outright ban on all private possession of firearms that such things as Newtown could be prevented entirely. Given how the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs has been used by those self-same would-be tyrants that the right wingers claim to worry about, we can well predict what the outcome would be.

There are reasonable steps that can be taken. Background checks for private sales. Limits on how many guns can be purchased -- if you're equipping a citizen militia, each of your militiamen can get his own weapon. Bust the goddamn straw purchasers in Arizona and STFU about Fast and Furious. Ramp down the paramilitarization of law enforcement, and end the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs -- preserving that citizen militia means keeping guns out of the hands of that tyrant. ("[George III] has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures." -- T. J.)

I worry not for the Second Amendment, but for the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth.
 
2013-01-06 07:29:11 PM  
Getting struck by big scary gun lightning sure is scary!
 
2013-01-06 07:29:25 PM  

Shae123: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Internet toughguy..he calls people names...wow, what a stud....


More studly than needing a gun to feel like a man.
 
2013-01-06 07:29:30 PM  
Oppression....how do it work?

/was in the Army for 10 years, seen it first hand.

No thanks, I'll keep all of my guns, bullets, hoarded food, water, and precious civil rights.

/Have that exact Bushmaster in the pic above. Very nice weapon, but I think it's broke it hasn't shot any kids yet.

Maybe I need to oil it with the soul of an unbaptized baby?
 
2013-01-06 07:29:38 PM  

XveryYpettyZ: If you took your grandpa's hunting rifle and made it semi-automatic it wouldn't be much more dangerous because the barrel rise degrade the accuracy so much.


Actually, my great-grandfather's hunting rifle *WAS* a semi-automatic. Remington Model 8. Introduced in 1906. His shotgun was a semi-auto too: Browning Auto-5, introduced in 1905.
 
2013-01-06 07:29:39 PM  

NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.


Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

/I love shooting and support others' rights to have guns
//but the NRA will never get my money
 
2013-01-06 07:29:53 PM  
Silly Jesus: farkplug: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

...

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over

etc.
- - -
Behold, at the upper right hand corner of this very post you will see four digits. That represents the year. Newsflash: this is 2013. Ever heard of an anachronism? The Constitution could do with a few more amendments.

What amendment would you propose?


AmendmentS. There could be hundreds. And it'd be kinda sweet if a woman used her pretty little head and contributed to the mix this time, don't you think? (remember... 2013!!!! cue scary ghost music)
 
2013-01-06 07:29:55 PM  

jso2897: And that Bastard Tony Hopkins, portraying Hannibal Lechter. Why, he's never eaten even one, single person!


Be that as it may, if they are so opposed to guns, maybe they should take the moral high ground and stop accepting money to glorify them. Michael Moore is the exception here, although he is a life-member to the NRA, so I'm a little confused by him.
 
2013-01-06 07:31:45 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: Anybody else notice Michel (AKA BURT MOTHERFARKING GUMMER) Gross in there?
Yes, the last half of his career he has been known for playing a character that stockpiles guns and repeatedly uses them to save people...
And he's actually anti-gun.
Hypocrisy at its finest, right up there with Matt (AKA JASON BOURNE) Damon and Michael (AKA MY ARMED GUARD JUST GOT ARRESTED IN NEW YORK FOR VIOLATING GUN LAWS) Moore - both of which are also on that list.


Sylvester Stallone is on the list as well. That motherfarker's made a living off of guns and entertainment.
 
2013-01-06 07:31:49 PM  
There is going to be so much butthurt when no new laws are passed, especially that abortion of an overreach that Feinstein proposed. It's so far out that it doesn't have a chance. May as well steel yourself for it, guys.
 
2013-01-06 07:32:19 PM  

computerguyUT: Oppression....how do it work?

/was in the Army for 10 years, seen it first hand.

No thanks, I'll keep all of my guns, bullets, hoarded food, water, and precious civil rights.

/Have that exact Bushmaster in the pic above. Very nice weapon, but I think it's broke it hasn't shot any kids yet.

Maybe I need to oil it with the soul of an unbaptized baby?


What the hell are you talking about?

You need to use the blood of forsaken children as lube. No wonder your shiat is broke.
 
2013-01-06 07:32:37 PM  
...Jesus.

Question: How many of these people are actually anti-gun or just merely anti-idiot with gun?
 
2013-01-06 07:33:58 PM  

dittybopper: XveryYpettyZ: If you took your grandpa's hunting rifle and made it semi-automatic it wouldn't be much more dangerous because the barrel rise degrade the accuracy so much.

Actually, my great-grandfather's hunting rifle *WAS* a semi-automatic. Remington Model 8. Introduced in 1906. His shotgun was a semi-auto too: Browning Auto-5, introduced in 1905.


Lets not forget that my 1942-stamped M1 was probably owned by somebody's grandpa - it's 70yrs old. The man I bought it from is old enough to be my father and he said his father had kept it in a safe for 40yrs - longer than I've been alive.
 
2013-01-06 07:34:39 PM  
David Canary - Actor

Might want to update that one, Bob.


Celebtards against simple white folk such as myself owning guns is no news. I won't go down the list like I usually do and point out which guys on the list use a gun IN EVERY SINGLE farkING MOVIE they make.

Steve Booscheemy is a appointment though :/
 
2013-01-06 07:35:10 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: This is no different than gay rights activists noting those who oppose their own agenda. (Boy Scouts of America, Chic-Fil-A, Family research Council, etc, etc.)

It's exactly the same actually.


^ Came here to say this. There's no difference. Various "progressive" organizations have no qualms about posting lists of their political enemies. This is no different.
 
2013-01-06 07:35:13 PM  

AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.


Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.
 
2013-01-06 07:35:26 PM  
Hallmark Cards is a gun control-loving corporation. This is probably because they do not make sympathy cards for accidental shootings and mass murders.

Perhaps the NRA can lobby them to start making their greeting cards more sympathetic to Second Amendment fans. Here are a few helpful tips on greeting cards that support the Second Amendment.

Congratulations on exercising your Second Amendment rights. Sorry to hear about your gun cleaning accident. I hope you are up and walking soon!

Condoleances on the death of your two year old. I guess you're sorry you didn't teach your five year old all about guns and gun safety now, stupid!

Sorry to hear your lovely teenage daughter blew her brains out because she was depressed and bulemic. At least she had the good taste to do it with a fine American-made, hand-tooled handgun!

Sorry about the tragedy at your school. Guns don't kill people. True, many guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing a very large number of people in a very short period of time, but really it's not the gun that kills the people. It's the ammo in the gun clips with rounds of 30 or more bullets that kill people. Remember to buy ammo as part of your back to kindergarten gear! Now 30% to 70% off at WallyMart!
 
2013-01-06 07:35:29 PM  

HeadLever: Kome: When your list of "opponents" includes the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, and American Psychological Association, and we haven't even gotten out of the "A" letters, you may seriously need to re-think your position.

When those "A" letter organizations are against the Bill of Rights, they may need to seriously re-think their position.


"Strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means." -Thomas Jefferson

In other words, maybe we need to change it. We've certainly ignored it several times. And more times than not for more specious reasons than over 100,000 gun injuries and fatalities each year, and almost always at the behest of conservative Republicans. The Bill of Rights should not ever be used to handcuff us in pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - which has been used as a justification numerous times over the course of the War on Terror for the curtailment of several more valuable and crucial liberties, freedoms, and rights.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think any single legislative act will do much of anything, whether it's more regulation or an outright ban. I genuinely don't see it doing any thing. However, that is because we have allowed ourselves to let the problem escalate to the point where there are almost as many guns as citizens in the US allowing for incredibly easy access to firearms for nearly anyone at nearly any point. But considering it's a course of action that we have no tried before in an attempt to address a serious issue of violence in our country, I fail to see any legitimate objection to some more regulation or even bans of certain weapons or firearm accessories.
 
2013-01-06 07:35:38 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard:
I worry not for the Second Amendment, but for the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth.


Well said.
 
2013-01-06 07:36:36 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: Anybody else notice Michel (AKA BURT MOTHERFARKING GUMMER) Gross in there?
Yes, the last half of his career he has been known for playing a character that stockpiles guns and repeatedly uses them to save people...
And he's actually anti-gun.
Hypocrisy at its finest, right up there with Matt (AKA JASON BOURNE) Damon and Michael (AKA MY ARMED GUARD JUST GOT ARRESTED IN NEW YORK FOR VIOLATING GUN LAWS) Moore - both of which are also on that list.


And how many death threats has Micheal Moore recieved? And in this poltical climate can you look me in the eye and tell me that someone crazy enough wouldn't try to shoot him because he's a libural?
 
2013-01-06 07:36:40 PM  
Stallone is on that list? What a farkin' hypocritical asshole.
 
2013-01-06 07:36:44 PM  

buckler: Sure would have helped if Reagan hadn't dumped them all on the streets.


He hasn't been president in 25 YEARS. What explanation is there for the next Presidents not doing anything?
 
2013-01-06 07:36:50 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.


If you slight the NRA then they're gonna get you. It progressed beyond the Second Amendment a long time ago.
 
2013-01-06 07:37:10 PM  
Maybe they should consider posting their addresses as well and arranging them on a handy google map.

Would that be more appropriate?
 
2013-01-06 07:37:10 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


That's the Chicago way.
 
2013-01-06 07:38:44 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: maybe they should take the moral high ground and stop accepting money to glorify them


You know... Burt Gummer is like a parody of a gun owner, right?
 
2013-01-06 07:38:58 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: jso2897: And that Bastard Tony Hopkins, portraying Hannibal Lechter. Why, he's never eaten even one, single person!

Be that as it may, if they are so opposed to guns, maybe they should take the moral high ground and stop accepting money to glorify them. Michael Moore is the exception here, although he is a life-member to the NRA, so I'm a little confused by him.


Well, maybe they aren't as opposed to guns as you think they are. As I mentioned earlier, the people who are passionate about this debate tend to vastly exaggerate the views of their opposition. But I don't know, or care, and pretty much stay out of the debate for that reason. I'm just here to try a lighten things up a little.
I have views about gun control, but I'm not passionate about them, and don't feel like getting screamed at by both "sides", which is what usually happens when you have a moderate opinion on a highly controversial subject.
 
2013-01-06 07:39:06 PM  

Frank N Stein: Sleeping Monkey: "Anti Second Amendment people were so wrong to publish the names and addresses of gun owners that we are going to do the exact same thing, but its okay when we do it, because we're the NRA."

"publishing the names of public people and organizations is the exact same thing as publishing the addresses of private citizens (many of whom are cops, and are now threatened by criminals [look it up. Im on my phone and not doing your homework]) because I'm sleeping Monkey and I have no ability to reason"


It was already public information
 
2013-01-06 07:39:14 PM  

thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.


Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.
 
2013-01-06 07:39:29 PM  

pedrop357: buckler: Sure would have helped if Reagan hadn't dumped them all on the streets.

He hasn't been president in 25 YEARS. What explanation is there for the next Presidents not doing anything?


I wish I had an answer. I'm guessing political inertia.
 
2013-01-06 07:39:31 PM  

2wolves: Cuisine excuses slavery?


Have you ever had a Babes Chicken Fried Steak?
 
2013-01-06 07:39:48 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: Lets not forget that my 1942-stamped M1 was probably owned by somebody's grandpa - it's 70yrs old. The man I bought it from is old enough to be my father and he said his father had kept it in a safe for 40yrs - longer than I've been alive.


Let's not forget that Obama has vowed take that gun away from you. UN soldiers are probably knocking on your door as I write this. Godspeed!
 
2013-01-06 07:39:49 PM  
Original Article Date: 03/01/2012

WTF Subby?
 
2013-01-06 07:39:57 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Right wingers claim that guns in private hands are needed to oust a possible tyrant; but when tyranny comes to America, it will be to the thunderous applause of Fox Izvestia and the same right wingers who claim to be defending a citizen militia.


Tyranny exist in many forms and will not come in one swift stroke. Ask Randy Weaver about that.
 
2013-01-06 07:39:58 PM  

buckler: Sock Ruh Tease: The list:

American Firearms Association

lol wut?

Seems the AFA has a dual role. (eyeroll).


Does the AFA even exist? A quick google search doesn't show any working webpages for the AFA
 
2013-01-06 07:40:24 PM  

Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.


There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.
 
2013-01-06 07:40:39 PM  
Well how come there aren't any members of Congress listed? Oh, I see, that's a separate list - never mind.
 
2013-01-06 07:40:52 PM  

thatboyoverthere: ...Hypocrisy at its finest, right up there with Matt (AKA JASON BOURNE) Damon and Michael (AKA MY ARMED GUARD JUST GOT ARRESTED IN NEW YORK FOR VIOLATING GUN LAWS) Moore - both of which are also on that list.

And how many death threats has Micheal Moore recieved? And in this poltical climate can you look me in the eye and tell me that someone crazy enough wouldn't try to shoot him because he's a libural?


Until his bodyguard got arrested for violating gun law, I don't think most of us knew he had an armed guard. If somebody really wanted to kill him, they probably would try it, with or without a guard.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:01 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington


Cool quotes, got any from the 19th, 20th, or 21st century, or do you just have this founding-fathers johnson?

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Oh Snap.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:03 PM  

thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.


How did getting shot at more than once make him a pussy? If that was going to do it, I'd think once would be enough.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:12 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.


It's made up of a lot of people who have, or would have in the past, found have found themselves the target of various anti-1st amendment groups such as groups claiming to be anti-communist, anti-pornography, anti-birth control (even the discussion of methods), etc.

Some rights are more equal than others apparently.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:13 PM  

Confabulat: Shae123: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Internet toughguy..he calls people names...wow, what a stud....

More studly than needing a gun to feel like a man.


You think?
 
2013-01-06 07:41:14 PM  

Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.


Because so many people die to so called "assault rifles." 323 rifle murders in 2011 vs 6220 handgun murders. Many of the rifles most likely weren't even "assault rifles."

Get rid of $125 Saturday Night Special pistols in the ghetto, and the murder rate with guns will keep dropping...not that it isn't drastically dropping every year anyway.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

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2013-01-06 07:41:23 PM  
I would love to see a nation-wide debate on gun control wherein reasonable, intelligent, and open-minded people, on both sides of the issue, take the time to actually listen and respond thoughtfully to the other side's arguments.

A friend and I actually did this and once we realized what the other was saying, and had clarifications when needed, realized that he, a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, and I, a firm advocate for keeping guns out of the hands of people who misuse them, both actually want the same thing.

I think very few people are against taking guns away from responsible private citizens. We all should be against guns in the possession of felons, gang-members, the insane, and criminals. I don't know what the solution is, other than stiffer penalties for illegal possession and/or use of a gun. If, for example, every felon caught in possession of a gun, every criminal using a gun to commit a crime, were given a mandatory life sentence, with no hope for parole, and no exceptions, our gun control problem would be straightened out in a few years. Of course, that would put a strain on our already strained prison system, so probably isn't feasible. I don't know where the solution lies, but guns must be kept out of the hands of certain elements of our population.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:38 PM  
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2013-01-06 07:41:39 PM  

penfold314: buckler: Sock Ruh Tease: The list:

American Firearms Association

lol wut?

Seems the AFA has a dual role. (eyeroll).

Does the AFA even exist? A quick google search doesn't show any working webpages for the AFA


There ya go.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:42 PM  

NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.


False dichotomy.

If there weren't the modern NRA there is no reason to believe we couldn't have another group (others do in fact exist) defend gun rights without all the NRA bullshiat.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:50 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: NRA members are all well mannered law abiding citizens. There is no apprecible risk to their opponents.


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o'rly?
 
2013-01-06 07:42:22 PM  
This is the dumbest issue yet. How is it possible for the discourse in this nation to get more stupid year after year for eternity? I mean, that should be impossible, right? How long until we go back to throwing our poop at each other? Soon, I hope. This slow descent into retardation is worse than a Chinese water torture.
 
2013-01-06 07:42:44 PM  

jso2897: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.

How did getting shot at more than once make him a pussy? If that was going to do it, I'd think once would be enough.


It was a demonstration of his flawed logic,

grammar nazi
 
2013-01-06 07:43:26 PM  
I was straddling the fence on this issue until I saw Chaka Khan's name on that list.

I loves me some Chaka Khan.
 
2013-01-06 07:43:49 PM  
So what?

It's public domain.

Anyone can look this stuff up.

Why do you find this uncomfortable?
 
2013-01-06 07:44:22 PM  

violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.


Missed that.

Truly amazing and way beyond sad.
 
2013-01-06 07:44:45 PM  
I would just like to take this moment to thank the NRA from saving me the trouble of researching and compiling a list of persons and organizations I can support.
 
2013-01-06 07:44:50 PM  
Pillar #3 of Republicans - Hypocrisy.

Wah wah when others do it, but then we're going to do the same exact thing. Amazing how pathetic these people are.

"Do as we say, not as we do." - Idiots everywhere.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:01 PM  

NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group..


Incorrect. The NRA is a pro gun manufacturers lobby. If they were pro guns, they'd be supporting the 2nd Amendment's requirement to be in a well regulated militia to use a gun.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:07 PM  
it's time people take the NRA seriously
and realize that the only answer to guns is guns,

then blow away everybody at the NRA annual picnic
with automatic weapons.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:15 PM  
You can fully support the second amendment and still not want your crazy redneck neighbor to own an AK-47 for "squirrel hunting"

Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-06 07:45:25 PM  
As a gun owner (I currently own 3 guns) who supports both the Second Amendment AND keeping guns out of the hands of nuts, flakes, and other assorted lunatics, I'm vehemently anti-NRA.

/we're not all crazy, fear mongering idiots
//Feinstein and her ilk should be removed from office for violating their oath, though
 
2013-01-06 07:45:36 PM  

Kome: Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.


If Thomas Wayne had been armed we wouldn't have had any problems in Aurora.
 
2013-01-06 07:46:07 PM  

JosephFinn: If they were pro guns, they'd be supporting the 2nd Amendment's requirement to be in a well regulated militia to use a gun.


Where is that requirement?
 
2013-01-06 07:46:44 PM  

LazerFish: Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.


It's worked pretty well in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
 
2013-01-06 07:48:18 PM  

mrEdude: it's time people take the NRA seriously
and realize that the only answer to guns is guns,

then blow away everybody at the NRA annual picnic
with automatic weapons.


But it's the 'gun nuts' who are bloodthirsty?
 
2013-01-06 07:48:22 PM  

Kome: In other words, maybe we need to change it. We've certainly ignored it several times.


I am not against change. I will, however, oppose those those that will arbitrarily and capriciously limit my enumerated rights.
 
2013-01-06 07:48:23 PM  
Why isnt the NRA on that list? They backed the only anti-gun candidate who has passed anti second amendment legislation.
 
2013-01-06 07:48:24 PM  

viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.

The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.


Well, you can't have my gun. Listen, genius, a "well regulated militia" was needed at the time the nation was founded inorder to provide for the defense of the country. In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States, not the gun manufacturing lobby or the delusional minds of pseudo-tough guys with guns who like to talk about armed insurrection against the government. You may be surprised to hear that I, too, oppose taking away my right to own a gun. I keep a gun because of the nuts and criminals who also have guns.

There are too many guns and too many gun sellers to do away with, or even effectively regulate, guns. Like lawyers, guns are necessary because guns exist.

Hunters nowadays hunt for "sport". Defense of the nation is handled by the armed forces. Guns for "home protection" more often injure the owner or his kids than some "intruder". Guns make their owners feel like superheros when they are really fools. So stop telling me about the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment. It isn't so.
 
2013-01-06 07:49:14 PM  

LazerFish: You can fully support the second amendment and still not want your crazy redneck neighbor to own an AK-47 for "squirrel hunting"

Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.


And i presume that you're a qualified, board-certified psychiatrist with years of experience to be able to diagnose your "red neck neighbor" as being crazy?
 
2013-01-06 07:49:24 PM  

LazerFish: Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well.


Worked fine for Randy Weaver.
 
2013-01-06 07:49:43 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


Zombies who require extra bullets?
 
2013-01-06 07:49:52 PM  

Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison

"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
- James Madison

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
- Richard Henry Lee

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

" ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton


You should google those quotes before you copy pasta them from pro gun sites. There are a few fakes.
 
2013-01-06 07:51:14 PM  

This About That: viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.

The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.

Well, you can't have my gun. Listen, genius, a "well regulated militia" was needed at the time the nation was founded inorder to provide for the defense of the country. In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States, not the gun manufacturing lobby or the delusional minds of pseudo-tough guys with guns who like to talk about armed insurrection against the government. You may be surprised to hear that I, too, oppose taking away my right to own a gun. I keep a gun because of the nuts and criminals who also have guns.

There are too many guns and too many gun sellers to do away with, or even effectively regulate, guns. Like lawyers, guns are necessary because guns exist.

Hunters nowadays hunt for "sport". Defense of the nation is handled by the armed forces. Guns for "home protection" more often injure the owner or his kids than some "intruder". Guns make their owners feel like superheros when they are really fools. So stop telling me about the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment. It isn't so.


Except your entire interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is both factually void and incorrect, and not based on any merit or understanding of either the existing laws of the US or the supporting data for the interpretation of the 2A.

Sorry.
 
2013-01-06 07:51:30 PM  

Silly Jesus: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Do you know what the scary word semi-automatic means? It means that the gun fires one bullet at a time. OH NOES!


This.

That said, if you feel threatened because someone fired you for being gay or might not allow you to marry, you're a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

/it's all about limiting one's ability to fulfill their legal desires
//that's why Confab's is a losing argument

We have laws against killing people. Apparently laws are not the issue, as they don't stop sick people from doing sick things. Maybe keeping the guns out of the hands of psycho's....nah, that requires actual effort. Unpossible!
 
2013-01-06 07:52:23 PM  

HeadLever: Kome: In other words, maybe we need to change it. We've certainly ignored it several times.

I am not against change. I will, however, oppose those those that will arbitrarily and capriciously limit my enumerated rights.


And if the reasoning is neither arbitrary or capricious, but would still limit your enumerated rights, what then?
 
2013-01-06 07:53:45 PM  

violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.


THIS
 
2013-01-06 07:53:55 PM  
I suppose publishing an enemies list is at least something new. Going forward, I wonder if they'll publish an updated list after every mass shooting, or just the ones where children are the targets.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:12 PM  

Kome: And if the reasoning is neither arbitrary or capricious, but would still limit your enumerated rights, what then?


There are certain things that can limit these rights. Can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

However, things like thumbhole stocks and barrel shrouds have no impact on the function of these 'scary looking weapons' are basically arbitrary or capricious regarding the issue at hand.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:14 PM  
I saw "Black Mental Health Alliance" on the list, but totally read it as "Black Metal Health Alliance".
And there was a moment of awesome confusion.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:43 PM  

Kome: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.

Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.


Batman?
 
BHK
2013-01-06 07:56:48 PM  

pedrop357: buckler: Sure would have helped if Reagan hadn't dumped them all on the streets.

He hasn't been president in 25 YEARS. What explanation is there for the next Presidents not doing anything?


Exactly. "Dumping them on the streets" implies that they had been taken off the streets at some point by someone. Why didn't someone do it again? Why didn't all those whiners who complain about Reagan go and help those unfortunates who were dumped on the streets get help? There are many foundations which help the mentally ill which are stretched to the limit yet do amazing work. Cut them a check if you are so concerned, or go volunteer. I have taken in a few people myself, when my girlfriend was one of those people. Reagan probably did them a favor by taking them out of the state-run institutions which were absolutely inhumane in many cases.
 
2013-01-06 07:56:55 PM  

farkplug: AmendmentS. There could be hundreds. And it'd be kinda sweet if a woman used her pretty little head and contributed to the mix this time, don't you think? (remember... 2013!!!! cue scary ghost music)


This reminds me of a scene from Heinleins's The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress.

One female (most were men, but women made up for it in silliness) had a long list she wanted made
permanent laws-about private matters. No more plural marriage of any sort. No divorces. No
"fornication"-had to look that one up. No drinks stronger than 4% beer. Church services only on
Saturdays and all else to stop that day. (Air and temperature and pressure engineering, lady? Phones and
capsules?) A long list of drugs to be prohibited and a shorter list dispensed only by licensed physicians.
(What is a "licensed physician"? Healer I go to has a sign reading "practical doctor"-makes book on
side, which is why I go to him. Look, lady, aren't any medical schools in Luna!) (Then, I mean.) She even
wanted to make gambling illegal. If a Loonie couldn't roll double or nothing, he would go to a shop that
would, even if dice were loaded.
Thing that got me was not her list of things she hated, since she was obviously crazy as a Cyborg,
but fact that always somebody agreed with her prohibitions. Must be a yearning deep in human heart to
stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws-always for other fellow. A murky part of us,
something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because
not one of those people said: "Please pass this so that I won't be able to do something I know I should
stop." Nyet,tovarishchee , was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them "for their
own good"-not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it.
...
Signing of Declaration of Independence went as Prof said it would.
...
Well, take that woman who hated everything. She was there with list; read it aloud and
moved to have it incorporated into Declaration "so that the peoples of Terra will know that we are
civilized and fit to take our places in the councils of mankind!"
Prof not only let her get away with it; he encouraged her, letting her talk when other people wanted
to-then blandly put her proposal to a vote when hadn't even been seconded. (Congress operated by
rules they had wrangled over for days. Prof was familiar with rules but followed them only as suited him.)
She was voted down in a shout, and left.
 
2013-01-06 07:57:09 PM  

Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS


Yea, they're too busy protecting the rights of those neo-NAZI's to march in places like Waukegan, Illinois.
 
2013-01-06 07:57:10 PM  

buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.


Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.
 
2013-01-06 07:57:37 PM  
Seems that half the list are various Christian and Jewish groups.

It would seem the God of Abraham is against guns despite the innate ramblings of many a gun nut.
 
2013-01-06 07:58:29 PM  
Nice to see the NRA whitewashing Mitt Romney implementing the Massachusetts' assault weapons ban that was put in place so if the Federal ban expired, which it did, those weapons would still be banned in Mass, and of course Ronald Reagan's support of the Brady Bill.
 
2013-01-06 07:58:45 PM  

Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS


Though they've changed their tune a little in the past, their previous explanation of why they didn't defend the 2nd amendment was absolutely absurd. If they had simply said that they don't because other national and local groups do a much better job, I could have accepted that.

I still donate to them as I think they do plenty of good.
 
2013-01-06 07:58:58 PM  

HeadLever: Kome: And if the reasoning is neither arbitrary or capricious, but would still limit your enumerated rights, what then?

There are certain things that can limit these rights. Can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

However, things like thumbhole stocks and barrel shrouds have no impact on the function of these 'scary looking weapons' are basically arbitrary or capricious regarding the issue at hand.


Can you think of an example of something that you would consider neither arbitrary nor capricious that would limit the enumerated right to bear arms?

DoctorCal: Kome: thisisarepeat: AirForceVet: Having been robbed at gunpoint once, I'm cool with gun control because it's too easy for crooks and nuts to get guns.

Having been shot at more than once, you are a pussy.

Having watched both my parents get shot to death by a mugger when I was a child and then raised by the family valet in a socially, economically, and physically isolated environment, you are superstitious and cowardly.

Batman?


Pretty much going for humor value there. I really don't like the whole "yea, well my experience is this, therefore..." approach. Even if I have found myself doing it on occasion when I'm Farking while drinking.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:00 PM  

dennysgod: Seems that half the list are various Christian and Jewish groups.

It would seem the God of Abraham is against guns despite the innate ramblings of many a gun nut.


MOAR BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
 
2013-01-06 07:59:21 PM  

theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?


I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:29 PM  

Elmo Jones: Anderson's Pooper: NRA members are all well mannered law abiding citizens. There is no apprecible risk to their opponents.

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o'rly?


He's only a threat if you are a fenced animal, or if you are an underage girl, in which case he might rape you.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:49 PM  

Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.


Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.
 
2013-01-06 07:59:55 PM  
The Constitution is not a suicide pact
 
2013-01-06 08:00:03 PM  
I read in the papers, 30--round clips have sold a 3--year supply in 8 days.

Red China probably has 50 million AK-47 30--round banana clips on hand surplus, plus factories which can make millions more.

In addition to that, a $15 mag now goes for $60 in gun shows, something I am sure every back--alley factory in China knows, and is tooling up for right now.

And in addition to all that, don't forget what is possible with a 3D printer.

Yes indeed people, if you thought the War on Drugs was great big fun, just wait until the War on Guns takes effect.
 
2013-01-06 08:00:38 PM  

This About That: In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States,


Nope. That'd be the "standing armies" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence:

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures....
 
2013-01-06 08:00:38 PM  

Kome: When your list of "opponents" includes the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, and American Psychological Association, and we haven't even gotten out of the "A" letters, you may seriously need to re-think your position.


Came here to say this. Seriously, I saw no one on that list that isn't pretty well-known for being all-around good guys (at least, in terms of names I recognized). I fail to see how this helps anti-regulation folks in  any way.

/Let's face it, they aren't pro-gun, they're just anti-regulation.
 
2013-01-06 08:01:02 PM  

Molavian: Civil Liberty:


Attempting to redefine property rights as civil liberties by fiat doesn't work. See: the whole Anglo-American legal tradition. There is a very large difference between 1) Freedom of the Press and 2) everyone gets a free printing press.
 
2013-01-06 08:01:05 PM  

BHK: Exactly. "Dumping them on the streets" implies that they had been taken off the streets at some point by someone. Why didn't someone do it again? Why didn't all those whiners who complain about Reagan go and help those unfortunates who were dumped on the streets get help? There are many foundations which help the mentally ill which are stretched to the limit yet do amazing work. Cut them a check if you are so concerned, or go volunteer. I have taken in a few people myself, when my girlfriend was one of those people. Reagan probably did them a favor by taking them out of the state-run institutions which were absolutely inhumane in many cases.


Not only that, but stopping federal funding in some areas didn't mean that no one could do anything anymore. It just meant they had to find other ways to fund it, which could have come from some of the tax cuts people got.
Any state that wanted to was free to raise taxes and cover any federal shortfalls. That they didn't shows just how important it was for everyone, left and right, dem and rep,
 
2013-01-06 08:01:43 PM  

Kome: Can you think of an example of something that you would consider neither arbitrary nor capricious that would limit the enumerated right to bear arms?


Sure. Indiscriminate weapons. Bombs, mines, rockets, grenades, and to a point - automatic weapons.
 
2013-01-06 08:01:44 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.


All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:02 PM  

Kome: When your list of "opponents" includes the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, and American Psychological Association, and we haven't even gotten out of the "A" letters, you may seriously need to re-think your position.


THIS. Lots of smart, book learnin' types on that list.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:25 PM  
ZAZ

Can I have a map with crosshairs over the anti-gun groups?

Because democrat bulls-eyes are peaceful bullseyes
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2013-01-06 08:02:31 PM  

Glancing Blow: Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS

Yea, they're too busy protecting the rights of those neo-NAZI's to march in places like Waukegan, Illinois.


Didn't you mean Skokie, Il.
Link
 
2013-01-06 08:02:45 PM  

HeadLever: Kome: Can you think of an example of something that you would consider neither arbitrary nor capricious that would limit the enumerated right to bear arms?

Sure. Indiscriminate weapons. Bombs, mines, rockets, grenades, and to a point - automatic weapons.


Those limits have been in place for probably longer than you or I have been alive. I meant specifically limit your enumerated rights as they currently stand.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:47 PM  

Kome: ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.

All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.


Yet the permit holders seem to be getting much more pissy.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:52 PM  
Now I know which organizations to support. Those on the list.
The NRA shills for manufacturers. They don't give a damn about gun safety.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:56 PM  

NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.


Well, except anti-gun people aren't likely to try to shoot their political opponents. Given the sheer number of kooks in the NRA (reason I am not a member), the people on that list have a little bit of a right to be concerned.
 
2013-01-06 08:03:24 PM  

Kit Fister: This About That: viscountalpha: This About That: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And the more I hear from the NRA, and the "cold dead hands" types, the more I lean toward keeping those folks away from guns.

The second amendment is due to the abusive nature of governments. I'd rather keep guns away from idiots like you who don't understand this basic fact.

Well, you can't have my gun. Listen, genius, a "well regulated militia" was needed at the time the nation was founded inorder to provide for the defense of the country. In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States, not the gun manufacturing lobby or the delusional minds of pseudo-tough guys with guns who like to talk about armed insurrection against the government. You may be surprised to hear that I, too, oppose taking away my right to own a gun. I keep a gun because of the nuts and criminals who also have guns.

There are too many guns and too many gun sellers to do away with, or even effectively regulate, guns. Like lawyers, guns are necessary because guns exist.

Hunters nowadays hunt for "sport". Defense of the nation is handled by the armed forces. Guns for "home protection" more often injure the owner or his kids than some "intruder". Guns make their owners feel like superheros when they are really fools. So stop telling me about the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment. It isn't so.

Except your entire interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is both factually void and incorrect, and not based on any merit or understanding of either the existing laws of the US or the supporting data for the interpretation of the 2A.

Sorry.


This is a lot like arguing over who's religion is best, isn't it?
 
2013-01-06 08:03:57 PM  

Kome: Farking while drinking


It's the only way to fly.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:07 PM  

HeadLever: Sure. Indiscriminate weapons. Bombs, mines, rockets, grenades, and to a point - automatic weapons.


I'll support drawing the line at 25mm machine guns, nothing larger.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:37 PM  

Somacandra: 1) Freedom of the Press and 2) everyone gets a free printing press.


The only difference is the initiative to exercise said rights. Since both are individual rights, they can be applied to anyone who wishes to exercise the right - within reason. Some choose to, some not.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:49 PM  
At least we now know who's for it and who's against.
 
2013-01-06 08:05:09 PM  

buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.

Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.


Oooh, I get a psychoanalysis too?
 
2013-01-06 08:05:24 PM  

Lorelle: So the Nutty Raving Assholes assume that everyone who advocates gun control wants to take away all guns??

Not surprising, coming from the group that has gone out of its way to ensure that those bent on killing others have easy access to assault weapons.


Yeah, that's the only scary thing about this: That suddenly "I think we ought to look a little more closely at gun regulations" has become "DESTROY THE 2D AMENDMENT!!!" in the minds of so many people. A lot of them right here on Fark.
 
2013-01-06 08:06:08 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I didn't even know there was an anti-2nd Amendment movement.


Any attempt to limit any American's access to guns is "anti-2nd Amendment" in the NRA's vocabulary.

I have a college friend who is big into guns (he trains police officers in marksmanship and firearm safety).  For years he's referred to gun control efforts as "hoplophobia."

It's not that different from people on one side or other of the abortion controversy referring to the other side as "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion."
 
2013-01-06 08:06:26 PM  

Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.

Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.

Oooh, I get a psychoanalysis too?


One free with every fundie post.
 
2013-01-06 08:07:06 PM  

Frank N Stein: fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns. Like Alton motherfarking Brown

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Kyle and Eric Menendez are noted gun lovers.

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Phil Spector gives a thumb's up sign for the right to bear arms.
 
2013-01-06 08:07:51 PM  

Kit Fister: LazerFish: You can fully support the second amendment and still not want your crazy redneck neighbor to own an AK-47 for "squirrel hunting"

Also, in case you haven't noticed, fighting the US government with guns rarely works out well. Just sayin'.

And i presume that you're a qualified, board-certified psychiatrist with years of experience to be able to diagnose your "red neck neighbor" as being crazy?

He hunts squirrels with an AK. Ive seen it. He killed a few of my dogs when i was a kid because they were "on his property scaring deer". So yes, at least in my case I can safely say he is crazy.

 
2013-01-06 08:07:58 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.


That's because you're not very smart. The addresses of the citizens are public record, and therefore not private. It is exactly the same. What you are experiencing and demonstrating is textbook coginitive dissonance.
 
2013-01-06 08:08:15 PM  
I'm Canadian, and left on the political spectrum, but I don't understand why so many of the issues in the US are so polarized. Despite my political leanings, I don't think the NRA expects everyone to own a gun, and I don't think those on the other side want all private gun ownership banned.

Maybe gun ownership wouldn't be such a big issue if your leaders addressed the question of why people go on shooting sprees, and tried to do something about that.
 
2013-01-06 08:08:39 PM  

This About That: lawyers, guns a

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...nd money...Dad, get me out of this!
 
2013-01-06 08:09:12 PM  

buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: buckler: Silly Jesus: I only keep him un-ignored for "WTF" and humor value.

I'm always happy to meet a fan.

There's a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.

Aww, now my feelings are hurt because I hold your view of me in incredibly high regard.

Such a lovely defense mechanism. You roll with that.

Oooh, I get a psychoanalysis too?

One free with every fundie post.


Haha, it's wonderful that you think I'm a fundie. And I was starting to like you. Oh well.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:33 PM  

XveryYpettyZ: Silly Jesus: Confabulat: Gun control won't work any more than the drug war has succeeded. That said, if you feel threatened because someone might take away your semi-automatic assault rifle, you a giant pussy and are too cowardly to call yourself a man.

Do you know what the scary word semi-automatic means? It means that the gun fires one bullet at a time. OH NOES!

I always find the disingenuous hee-hawing over words like "semi automatic" and "assault rifle" hilarious. Yes, a semi-automatic "assault rifle" is much more dangerous than a traditional long gun for a number of reasons, including but not limited to: the amount of barrel rise with the smaller caliber high-velocity round when firing quickly, the ease, speed of and time between reloading, and the grip style.

If you took your grandpa's hunting rifle and made it semi-automatic it wouldn't be much more dangerous because the barrel rise degrade the accuracy so much. For reference, see the problems with the M14 and why most of them had a pin inserted to prevent them from being fired fully-automatic.... even by trained soldiers in a war zone. The reason the M16 was able to shoulder its way in to the military so soon after the introduction of the M14 was that it was simply more lethal to human beings over the ranges that human beings most commonly kill each other.. That's true of the AR15 civilian model as well.


Actually, the reason they Adopted the M-16 was because they were closing the Springfield Armory and wanted to give a contract to Colt.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:48 PM  
Nothing.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:58 PM  

fredklein: This About That: In modern times, the "well regulated militia" exists in the armed forces of the United States,

Nope. That'd be the "standing armies" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence:


Umm, the redcoats are the US Army?

You conservatives are real smart-like, yep, I tell you what.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:06 PM  

bim1154: Glancing Blow: Cyrusv10: violentsalvation: It is sad that the ACLU does not support an American civil liberty.

THIS

Yea, they're too busy protecting the rights of those neo-NAZI's to march in places like Waukegan, Illinois.

Didn't you mean Skokie, Il.
Link


Yes, you're right. It was around the time that I first joined the ACLU and it cost them dearly with their (some now X-)Jewish members.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:29 PM  
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Turds like to complain, but notice how they never actually address the succinct legal and policy reasons the ACLU gives for its views on the 2nd Amendment. Also note that the NRA's own list includes the ACLU merely for daring to take a collective rather than an individualist position on gun ownership--as advocated by the SCOTUS in the 1939 Miller case. This apparently is called "hating guns." Among all the other reasons cited, this is how the NRA gives fodder to its critics. By acting as if everyone else must either agree or be blacklisted.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:40 PM  
FTFL:

National Association of Police Organizations
National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
National Education Association
National Association of Elementary School Principals*



Hmm, if those guys think your plan to make sure the fourth hour chemistry teacher is strapped is a bit nuts, you might want to take a look at your policies.
 
2013-01-06 08:10:55 PM  

zenobia: inglixthemad: NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.  Their job is to identify and out-politic their opponents.  They are funded by gun advocates, so they do their best to defend their rights.  Do I agree with the NRA all the time?  Nope.  I honestly do not believe we would still be allowed to possess guns without the work of the NRA.

I honestly believe the NRA stopped fighting for the 2nd Amendment years ago, and became nothing but a front for manufacturers. That's when I quit funding them. Let Colt, S&W, and so one pay for their lobbying. They sure as heck don't need my money.

I honestly find it hilarious and scary, the NRA has some people so snowed that the 2nd Amendment would disappear in few years without them.

You, sir, may keep your guns.

/sanity test


Do you want irony? I am currently working for a defense contractor in a concealed carry state.

That's right: no private weapons allowed on the property.
 
2013-01-06 08:12:08 PM  

Kome: Those limits have been in place for probably longer than you or I have been alive. I meant specifically limit your enumerated rights as they currently stand.


When discussing specifically the 2nd, not much. I would be amenable to making sure that the law stays up to speed with respect to the indiscriminate nature of weapons. Banning semi-autos? No. Banning extended magazines. Not really as this is a minor thing with respect to how quickly someone can reload.
 
2013-01-06 08:12:09 PM  

Kome: All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.


True...to an extent. But I also had a problem with an anti-illegal-immigration group publishing the names and addresses of illegals (from publicly available arrest records) in the midwest a while back. Most liberals were insanely outraged over it. I am consistent. Most liberals are not. Not even close.

In other words, I wish we (liberals) could make up our minds if mining personal data, and then publishing (or selling) it is acceptable or not. Seems like a very slippery slope many liberals are defending out of political convenience lately.
 
2013-01-06 08:13:59 PM  

HeadLever: The only difference is the initiative to exercise said rights.


The actual difference is over whether an material item exists. You can have all the initiative you want and that doesn't create anything material. Conflating the actual with the potential means that all distinctions collapse. I can add all the zeros I want to my bank account balance and it while true it makes me no richer.
 
2013-01-06 08:14:29 PM  

justtray: hat's because you're not very smart. The addresses of the citizens are public record, and therefore not private. It is exactly the same. What you are experiencing and demonstrating is textbook coginitive dissonance.


Nope it's because I am consistent, rather than cowardly and two faced like most liberals. See my above post.
 
2013-01-06 08:14:40 PM  
Lynyrd Skynyrd, 1976
 
2013-01-06 08:14:56 PM  
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2013-01-06 08:15:00 PM  

inglixthemad: Do you want irony? I am currently working for a defense contractor in a concealed carry state....That's right: no private weapons allowed on the property.


That tells you where it really counts.
 
2013-01-06 08:15:15 PM  

Silly Jesus: Haha, it's wonderful that you think I'm a fundie. And I was starting to like you. Oh well.


You know what? You're right. I should treat other people more respectfully, no matter how much I disagree with them, and realize that other peoples' opinions are just as valid as my own.
 
2013-01-06 08:15:22 PM  
NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group.

Bullshiat. If that were the case, why did they financially back Mitt Romney, a man who signed gun control legislation?
 
2013-01-06 08:16:27 PM  

Clutch2013: ...Jesus.

Question: How many of these people are actually anti-gun or just merely anti-idiot with gun?


Put me in the anti-idiot with a gun category. The problem I have faced when trying to express this opinion is that I generally get driven away as an anti-freedom gun hater. I am in the freaking army. I deal with weapons on a daily basis and understand that they need to be treated as potentially deadly things if used improperly. Apparently that makes me a communist and a socialist and a fascist which I think is impossible to be all three simultaneously. There is never any sane conversation because both sides refuse to even open a dialogue that is not just a derpfest from the beginning. It is frustrating and sad.
 
2013-01-06 08:16:36 PM  

Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? .


The NRA is about fear-mongering and supporting the GOP. They had their chances to start a conversation. They had their chance to redefine gun control. They failed.
 
2013-01-06 08:16:44 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: [imageshack.us image 466x625]


Yea, well I just confused the mods by marking that as funny.
 
2013-01-06 08:17:01 PM  

OnlyM3: ZAZ

Can I have a map with crosshairs over the anti-gun groups?
Because democrat bulls-eyes are peaceful bullseyes
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well duh those are clearly archery targets...
 
2013-01-06 08:17:03 PM  

Somacandra: Turds like to complain, but notice how they never actually address the succinct legal and policy reasons the ACLU gives for its views on the 2nd Amendment.


Sure they do. The SCotUS has determined that it is an individual right via Heller. That is the reason of difference of opinion.
 
2013-01-06 08:17:52 PM  

halB: Liberal logic:

Obama wants to create a list of all the guns and their owners: SUPER SMART! Nothing to worry about!

The NRA created a list of people that are opposed to gun freedom: OMGS THEY BE MAKING LISTS UP IN THIS BIATCH! DONT THEY KNOW LISTS BE EVIL?


This is what gun nuts actually think "liberal logic" is.
 
2013-01-06 08:18:31 PM  
Hallmark Cards.

Cover: Sorry I missed you
Inside: Next time I will use a scope

Does that qualify me for a business class window seat?
 
2013-01-06 08:18:50 PM  
I think the fear here is that a Jared Loughner, an Adam Lanza, or some other firearms enthusiast will take this as a target list.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:25 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Offer up a repeal amendment for the 2nd or quit your bellyaching. The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, That means you don't get to infringe,


Funny how you didn't quote the whole thing.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:44 PM  
USEFUL AND INFORMATIVE QUOTE:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." -----ADOILF HITLER.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:48 PM  

Amberleia: I would love to see a nation-wide debate on gun control wherein reasonable, intelligent, and open-minded people, on both sides of the issue, take the time to actually listen and respond thoughtfully to the other side's arguments.

A friend and I actually did this and once we realized what the other was saying, and had clarifications when needed, realized that he, a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, and I, a firm advocate for keeping guns out of the hands of people who misuse them, both actually want the same thing.

I think very few people are against taking guns away from responsible private citizens. We all should be against guns in the possession of felons, gang-members, the insane, and criminals. I don't know what the solution is, other than stiffer penalties for illegal possession and/or use of a gun. If, for example, every felon caught in possession of a gun, every criminal using a gun to commit a crime, were given a mandatory life sentence, with no hope for parole, and no exceptions, our gun control problem would be straightened out in a few years. Of course, that would put a strain on our already strained prison system, so probably isn't feasible. I don't know where the solution lies, but guns must be kept out of the hands of certain elements of our population.


A co-worker and I had the EXACT same conversation. That includes neither one of us could come up with a solution that didn't cause a bunch of other problems.
 
2013-01-06 08:20:16 PM  

Frank N Stein: fark the negativity. Lets talk about people that are down with guns.


Here here!!

Let's talk about the heroes who promote American conservative values!

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2013-01-06 08:20:42 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Kome: All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.

True...to an extent. But I also had a problem with an anti-illegal-immigration group publishing the names and addresses of illegals (from publicly available arrest records) in the midwest a while back. Most liberals were insanely outraged over it. I am consistent. Most liberals are not. Not even close.

In other words, I wish we (liberals) could make up our minds if mining personal data, and then publishing (or selling) it is acceptable or not. Seems like a very slippery slope many liberals are defending out of political convenience lately.


To be fair, most people are not consistent. It isn't something that any individual or group is particularly known for.
 
2013-01-06 08:21:55 PM  
Not to worried about all this.

I won't be handing my guns over.

Because when they take them my hands will be cold.
 
2013-01-06 08:21:56 PM  

rustypouch: I wonder how pro-gun they really are, as the last presidential election the NRA endorsed the candidate who signed into law an assault weapons ban


No he didn't. The "Ban" he signed as governor of MA affirmed that the state would adhere to federal AWB of 94-04. Dont let facts get in the way of your wargarbl.

Amberleia: I would love to see a nation-wide debate on gun control wherein reasonable, intelligent, and open-minded people, on both sides of the issue, take the time to actually listen and respond thoughtfully to the other side's arguments.

A friend and I actually did this and once we realized what the other was saying, and had clarifications when needed, realized that he, a staunch supporter of the right to bear arms, and I, a firm advocate for keeping guns out of the hands of people who misuse them, both actually want the same thing.

I think very few people are against taking guns away from responsible private citizens. We all should be against guns in the possession of felons, gang-members, the insane, and criminals. I don't know what the solution is, other than stiffer penalties for illegal possession and/or use of a gun. If, for example, every felon caught in possession of a gun, every criminal using a gun to commit a crime, were given a mandatory life sentence, with no hope for parole, and no exceptions, our gun control problem would be straightened out in a few years. Of course, that would put a strain on our already strained prison system, so probably isn't feasible. I don't know where the solution lies, but guns must be kept out of the hands of certain elements of our population.


Have you listened to official NRA comments on the current gun climate? There's already thousands of gun laws in effect in the states and in cases of places like Chicago and Camden, people simply choose not to follow them. In restricting access to firearms for law abiding citizens who have a right to protect themselves you make them targets for the criminal element. What we ought to do is have a rational conversation about how drug control isn't working and that nonviolent drug offenders should be let go, allowing us to crack down on violent individuals.
 
2013-01-06 08:22:13 PM  
Oops! Should have spelled it "ADOLPH;" hard to type straight with ten Heinekens in yer belly.
 
2013-01-06 08:22:21 PM  
several openly racist groups on the list, (No white people allowed) and many homosexual groups
 
2013-01-06 08:22:23 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some of the celebrities & notables on the list are dead, so why weren't their names removed. It makes me question how accurate this list is.

Jackie Cooper died in 2011.
Nora Ephron died in 2012
Coretta Scott King died in 2006
Sydney Pollack died in 2008
Ruth Warrick died in 2005
James Whitmore died in 2009
Andy Williams died in 2012


In many instances, these organizations lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation such as the March 1995 HCI "Campaign to Protect Sane Gun Laws."

It was right there in the article.
 
2013-01-06 08:22:49 PM  

missiv: Phil Spector gives a thumb's up sign for the right to bear arms.


Yet he had an NYC concealed carry permit while 'little people' cannot. I always wonder where things like that fit into gun control groups support of may issue systems as safer and more reasonable than shall issue.
 
2013-01-06 08:23:14 PM  

Somacandra: There is a very large difference between 1) Freedom of the Press and 2) everyone gets a free printing press


No one ever said that's what the 2nd amendment says. Everyone can own a gun if they want, or not, if they don't want one. Your logic fails.

/ Plus, with the internet, everyone DOES have a free printing press
 
2013-01-06 08:23:35 PM  

buckler: Kome: ThrobblefootSpectre: theMightyRegeya: NutWrench: It's no more scary than posting lists of legal gun owners, subby.

Exactly the point. If it's not okay to publish a list of registered gun owners, why would this be okay?

I can see a distinct and large difference between listing the names of public organizations and publishing the addresses of private citizens.

I am really surprised people are trying to equate the two.

All the information that has been provided so far is freely accessible to the public, for both types of lists. So they are equally legal, and to be fair, equally inane and pointless.

Yet the permit holders seem to be getting much more pissy.


Because there is a slight difference between "Here's a list of people who spoke out against me" and "here are the home addresses of the people who legally bought and registered a thing I don't like".

The permit holders never chose to be a part of the 2A political fight.
 
2013-01-06 08:23:53 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: justtray: hat's because you're not very smart. The addresses of the citizens are public record, and therefore not private. It is exactly the same. What you are experiencing and demonstrating is textbook coginitive dissonance.

Nope it's because I am consistent, rather than cowardly and two faced like most liberals. See my above post.


Now projection. You truly have an amazing mind. I am in awe.

Imaginary, anecdotal liberals were outraged over posting names of illegal immigrants? (who were presumably deported since that's the only way they could be on a public record) Sounds legit.
 
2013-01-06 08:24:18 PM  

twiztedjustin: David Canary - Actor

Might want to update that one, Bob.


Celebtards against simple white folk such as myself owning guns is no news. I won't go down the list like I usually do and point out which guys on the list use a gun IN EVERY SINGLE farkING MOVIE they make.



"Simple white folk"?  Seriously?  Are you false-flagging or something?
 
2013-01-06 08:25:01 PM  

JosephFinn: NFA: Submitter, why is this scary?  The NRA is a pro-gun lobby group..

Incorrect. The NRA is a pro gun manufacturers lobby. If they were pro guns, they'd be supporting the 2nd Amendment's requirement to be in a well regulated militia to use a gun.


Except, of course, they convinced the SCOTUS to separate the "well-regulated militia" part from the "right to keep and bear arms" part of the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-01-06 08:25:09 PM  

randomjsa: There is absolutely nothing wrong with this tactic and if there is you should probably stop singling out the NRA for doing it... Since it's a fairly common tactic employed by all sides left, right, and center.


Someone at the NRA must have read Rules for Radicals.....
 
2013-01-06 08:26:47 PM  

jso2897: I have views about gun control, but I'm not passionate about them, and don't feel like getting screamed at by both "sides", which is what usually happens when you have a moderate opinion on a highly controversial subject.


I feel your pain.  In pretty much every Fark thread about religion, actually.
 
2013-01-06 08:27:40 PM  
I think the NRA has become a domestic terrorist group, and should be dealt with accordingly.
 
2013-01-06 08:28:44 PM  

Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our state ...


Nice collection but when you take history into account the times were different in those days. It is kind of out of context today. No matter how many guns we have today we are not taking over our government. Just ain't gonna happen. A bit of napalm and foosh!

/not against guns
//have a few of my own
 
2013-01-06 08:28:51 PM  

Kome: To be fair, most people are not consistent. It isn't something that any individual or group is particularly known for.


As long as we now agree that data mining for all your personal transactions and private activities/hobbies is fair game.
 
2013-01-06 08:29:05 PM  

OHDUDENESS: david_gaithersburg: Glancing Blow: Silly Jesus: zenobia: Theaetetus: It could start a conversation, Subby? I fail to see what your fearmongering is pointing at.

My guess is that subby was amazed -- as am I -- at how many organizations and people of impeccable credentials are on The Big List. I'd like to see a list of pro-assault weapon organizations to compare the educational and sanity levels.

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington