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(Washington Times)   It's one thing to break DC's gun laws when you're white and rich but if you're non-white and non-rich... oh you better believe you're going to get charged with a crime. Bonus: Defendant is an Army vet and applicant for US Marshal   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 68
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2013-01-06 01:55:18 PM  
6 votes:
Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?
2013-01-06 01:49:10 PM  
6 votes:

St_Francis_P: I find it encouraging that the Conservative Entertainment Complex is finally worrying about the treatment of minorities and the disadvantaged. Bravo!


They have always cared about them, they don't just use them for political expediency or as background props in advertisements. They don't drop into strange dialects when speaking to African-Americans like Sec. Clinton, or when speaking to Asian-Americans like Vice President Biden.

They see them as people with the same goals, needs and families as themselves, not as votes to be duped into being cast for them through lies and manipulation.
2013-01-06 01:45:25 PM  
5 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


You are actually coming up with defense strategies because you agree with his position, or think he is cute, or want to do your hair that way or some other absurd reason. There is probable cause to believe (and video to help us see) that he broke the law and you want to argue that he didn't.

Simply amazing.

What flavor was the Kool-AId?
2013-01-06 04:03:36 PM  
4 votes:
In the much better, much longer version of the story they actually note that he had an arrest warrant out because of a prior traffic stop that never got taken care of.  That's what snowballed the search.  They should have dropped the charges.  It's a stupid law, and it shouldn't have been applied in this case anyway.  Nor should it have been applied when what's his face waved an empty magazine on tv.

Gun control laws tend to be pretty stupid, as do the people who support them.  They don't do any good, and instead exist solely so the police have an excuse to harass law-abiding citizens like this man.
2013-01-06 01:24:54 PM  
4 votes:
I find it encouraging that the Conservative Entertainment Complex is finally worrying about the treatment of minorities and the disadvantaged. Bravo!
2013-01-06 02:18:15 PM  
3 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?

One should be able to trust the MPD on taking unregistered GUNS TO THE WHITE HOUSE but personally I would have made two trips.


The man was a Maryland resident who was transporting his gun legally, as a judge found. He was not subject to DC's registration requirements.

This kind of behavior on the part of the city prosecutor does not help dispel the notion that DC's gun laws have nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with punitive punishment and active discouragement of civilian gun ownership (and mostly minority gun ownership at that).
2013-01-06 01:12:37 PM  
3 votes:
One law for thee but not for me...
2013-01-06 10:53:13 PM  
2 votes:
"Standard Capacity" 30 round AR-15 magazine
www.brownells.com

"High-capacity" 100 round AR-15 magazine.
www.mississippiautoarms.com

"Standard Capacity" 100 round Calico magazine (also comes in 50 rounds from the manufacturer)
world.guns.ru

Can someone tell me what a 'high capacity' magazine is? It seems to me that is is a magazine that holds more rounds than originaly designed by the manufacturer.
Lets look at car for a minute. A 1994 Geo Metro Holds 10 (magic number!) gallons of gas.A 1994 Ford F-250 holds about 40 gallons. So does the F-250 have a high-capacity fuel tank? Well compared to the Geo, then sure. But it was designed to take a 40 gallon tank. So what if we limited it to a 10 gallon tank? It would sure cut down on the length of illegal police chases and possibly save a life. So the 99.9999% of the other people who use the truck for sporting or transportation purposes would have to refuel more frequently, but isn't it worth a small inconvience if it saves just one life?

A 1911 was designed to hold 7-8 rounds. A Glock 17, 17 rounds. A Sig Sauer 226, 12 rounds. An AR-15, 20-30 rounds. So where does the magic number of 10 come from? What kind of slaughter can you do with 11 rounds that you cannot do with 10? And will be have 'low-capacity' magazine credits? If I have two 7 .45 caliber magazines, will I be allowed to have one 15 9mm magazine?

Who decided that 10 rounds is the perfect fit for EVERY gun? Do these people think it will make a difference? That a person will say "Well, I can't legally buy a 30 round mag for my illegally obtained rifle, so it's just not worth the trouble to go shoot up that playground over there"?

And one last question for senator Feinstein (whom I like to imagine reads Fark when she's not busy getting wet over the thought of banning 'assault weapons'). If you did get this ban in effect, and no one was allowed to carry more than 10 round in their magazine....will that include the one you have a carry permit for? Or, much like ObamaCare, will senators be exempt from that as well? I'm sure your body guards won't be limited to 10 rounds, because that would just be stupid, right?
2013-01-06 06:48:37 PM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: St_Francis_P: I find it encouraging that the Conservative Entertainment Complex is finally worrying about the treatment of minorities and the disadvantaged. Bravo!

They have always cared about them, they don't just use them for political expediency or as background props in advertisements. They don't drop into strange dialects when speaking to African-Americans like Sec. Clinton, or when speaking to Asian-Americans like Vice President Biden.

They see them as people with the same goals, needs and families as themselves, not as votes to be duped into being cast for them through lies and manipulation.


This. Something the Left will never understand. It reminds me of in LotR, where it never occurred to Sauron that anyone might think to destroy the Ring. As his whole mind was bent on domination, he saw the goals of others as similar. The Left sees minorities as monolithic groups to be manipulated and cajoled into supporting certain politicians or policies. And since conservatives don't do this, they see them as being sneaky or wrong in some way. Conservatives don't constantly shine a spotlight on minorities or pander to them as a group, so they must be racist. It never occurs to a Leftists that there are people who just see minorities as other people. Not pawns to be used, or waifs to be endlessly supported. Just people with the same rights, responsibilities, choices, freedoms, and consequences as anyone else.
2013-01-06 06:46:13 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: It's worth pointing out here that a few people who are fervently pro-gun are now demanding that someone be charged with a law they consider illegal without actual proof that the law is violated. Which really boils down to nothing more than wanting to throw your political enemies in prison.


Well, I don't think David Gregory has to actually be charged to point out what a hypocrite his type is.
2013-01-06 06:43:42 PM  
2 votes:

GF named my left testicle thundercles: compare UK and US violent crime


Essentially, liberal cesspools (big cities), and their inherent government subsidized criminals, account for the crime. Thanks libs.
2013-01-06 06:39:30 PM  
2 votes:

jso2897: St_Francis_P: I find it encouraging that the Conservative Entertainment Complex is finally worrying about the treatment of minorities and the disadvantaged. Bravo!

I'm a little confused - I've always heard the same people say that the reason blacks are overrepresented in our penal system is that they commit so many more crimes than other people. Maybe having a gun makes you a "good darkie". Somebody needs to tell the Crips and the Bloods about this sudden change of heart.


From four years ago:

www.csgv.org

This "good darkie," as you so racistly phrased it, carried a loaded assault rifle openly at a Tea Party convention and not only wasn't lynched, but because a cause celebre when MSNBC used this picture as proof that the teabaggers were all gun-toting maniacs, though they carefully cropped out all exposed skin surfaces out of the picture they ran.

/funny thing about relying on the sworn enemies of a group for information about that group, you often get told a lot of stuff that just isn't true
//then the whole world seems to have gone insane and you can't make any sense of it
///the anxiety attacks are all self-inflicted, really
2013-01-06 06:38:49 PM  
2 votes:
Why does the presence of any empty holster kick off anything, much less a traffic stop? Why does a traffic stop justify searching the vehicle?
2013-01-06 06:32:25 PM  
2 votes:
Chicago is a shiat state all by its self.
2013-01-06 06:31:18 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?

One should be able to trust the MPD on taking unregistered GUNS TO THE WHITE HOUSE but personally I would have made two trips.


He didn't take a "gun to the White House, he had it legally stowed in his car while dropping his wife off for a tour. You're acting like he walked into the WH strapped. Read the article, the gun was locked securely, and according to law. He was guilty of having an empty holster.
2013-01-06 06:29:10 PM  
2 votes:

AssAsInAssassin: feckingmorons: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

You are actually coming up with defense strategies because you agree with his position, or think he is cute, or want to do your hair that way or some other absurd reason. There is probable cause to believe (and video to help us see) that he broke the law and you want to argue that he didn't.

Simply amazing.

What flavor was the Kool-AId?

What bothers you more: That the clip is illegal, or that a journalist from the mainstreamliberalmedia had one in his possession?
Conservative cognitive dissonance is always fun to watch.


It's called a magazine, not a clip. And if either of them was charged, they both have to be charged. Double standards are bullshiat no matter how you look at it.

/b.s. ban is b.s.
2013-01-06 06:23:30 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?

It's worth pointing out here that a few people who are fervently pro-gun are now demanding that someone be charged with a law they consider illegal without actual proof that the law is violated.  Which really boils down to nothing more than wanting to throw your political enemies in prison.


Or maybe it would be nice to give him some pause before he uses his media outlet to advocate that anyone ever convicted of a firearms related offense be required to remain 5,280 feet from a school lest they be publicly executed, or whatever else that asshat wants to do to gun owners.
2013-01-06 06:22:04 PM  
2 votes:
Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan told The Washington Times, "We feel it was a valid arrest, and the appropriate charges were brought." Moments later, a spokesman for the D.C. attorney general's office, Ted Gest, called and provided the exact same quote. Mr. Gest added that, despite Mr. Brinkley's acquittal, the ruling "doesn't mean the judge is right, and we're wrong."

/actually, you're being wrong with charging him with a crime is EXACTLY what the judgment means.
2013-01-06 06:20:24 PM  
2 votes:

St_Francis_P: I find it encouraging that the Conservative Entertainment Complex is finally worrying about the treatment of minorities and the disadvantaged. Bravo!


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You should step off of the plantation from time to time.

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com
2013-01-06 06:20:20 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


I like how this is the new, ever-evolving defense. Pretty soon, you're going to claim that it was CG'd in, even though they have it on record that the show called the police AND that he SAID it was a magazine, not that it was a replica.

Tune in next week, when the defense is that the corner of the studio where he held the mag up was actually in a parallel universe...
2013-01-06 06:19:10 PM  
2 votes:

GF named my left testicle thundercles: 5 things to remember when you enjoy firearms.

1.) never goto california
2.) or newyork
3.) or illinois
4.) or DC
5.) if you are doing something possibly illegal do not mention it to an authority.


Ironically, good luck hanging out in those cities (Chicago for 3) at night without one.
2013-01-06 06:16:19 PM  
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Lsherm: In the much better, much longer version of the story they actually note that he had an arrest warrant out because of a prior traffic stop that never got taken care of.  That's what snowballed the search.  They should have dropped the charges.  It's a stupid law, and it shouldn't have been applied in this case anyway.  Nor should it have been applied when what's his face waved an empty magazine on tv.

Gun control laws tend to be pretty stupid, as do the people who support them.  They don't do any good, and instead exist solely so the police have an excuse to harass law-abiding citizens like this man.

I guess all those countries with far more restrictive gun laws that have far fewer deaths due to gun violence are "stupid". However the belief that because Billy Joe Bob and his drinking buddies are armed, they are the last thing that stands between us and the tyranny of the US government makes complete sense


Haha cuz all gun owners are Cletus the slack jawed yokel. Ha ha


Shut the fark up.
2013-01-06 03:30:04 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: The defendant is never required to provide evidence against themselves. It is obtained by police through warrants.


Police: "Here's a warrant to produce the device you had on TV".
2013-01-06 03:14:53 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: GAT_00: Ah yes, the defense is legally required to provide to the prosecution evidence that could be used to convict them. That's a nice corollary to the 5th Amendment.

"Okay we have tape of you holding an item which appears to be contraband. You're stating in the tape that it's contraband. We have witness statements testifying that it was indeed contraband. But you're refusing to produce it and claiming it's not contraband. Okay."

Wanna discuss the limits of withholding physical evidence in terms of the fifth amendment?


The defendant is never required to provide evidence against themselves.  It is obtained by police through warrants.  But hey, good job tossing the 5th Amendment so you can throw a political enemy in prison.
2013-01-06 02:22:28 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Ah yes, the defense is legally required to provide to the prosecution evidence that could be used to convict them. That's a nice corollary to the 5th Amendment.


"Okay we have tape of you holding an item which appears to be contraband. You're stating in the tape that it's contraband. We have witness statements testifying that it was indeed contraband. But you're refusing to produce it and claiming it's not contraband. Okay."

Wanna discuss the limits of withholding physical evidence in terms of the fifth amendment?
2013-01-06 02:11:36 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?

One should be able to trust the MPD on taking unregistered GUNS TO THE WHITE HOUSE but personally I would have made two trips.


I would have as well, and that doesn't mean the guy shouldn't get a lecture.  I just don't think society is made safer by prosecuting this guy.  Or David Gregory.
2013-01-06 01:30:33 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


http://www.wtop.com/41/3171388/NBCs-David-Gregory-may-have-violated- DC -gun-laws-during-interview-
"The official said he took a phone call on Friday from someone at NBC who wanted to know about showing ammunition and a gun magazine on the show. "

Loaded or not, that sure sounds like it was a real mag.
2013-01-06 01:29:33 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


So, you think he was lying when he said it was real? That's what you're left with?

/you could hear the spring and see the follower
2013-01-06 01:25:18 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...


Hi, and welcome to The United States of America. Be very careful of your skin color, as it will affect how you are perceived in Court.
2013-01-07 03:18:01 PM  
1 votes:
i46.tinypic.com
2013-01-07 01:02:17 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Moving parts"


No, you are moving goal posts.
2013-01-07 09:36:31 AM  
1 votes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rowan

DC has a fine history of armed gun control advocates.
2013-01-07 08:55:38 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: Arguing that clips are much harder to use than detachable mags is a good way to make a case for banning detachable mags entirely. Is that what you want?


Arguing that it's harder to manufacture and hand load your gunpowder before each shot is an equally good case, and both cases are beyond ridiculous.

Decades ago, we didn't have the frequency of shooting rampages that we do today, and the difference isn't because we made some magical advance in gun design since that time. The guns we have today are essentially the same guns we had many decades ago. There is no reasonable argument pointing to the notion that guns are the problem.
2013-01-06 10:47:50 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Ah, but in that example the prosecutors have to prove which car he hit, and also have to prove that he was drunk as opposed to just blowing smoke up everybody's ass. In as much as I've talked about the subpoena, the prosecutors don't need it anyways so if they want to prosecute I don't think they'd bother. And you're right, it is an affirmative defense which I think is a long shot.


Sure, there are differences. The FB dumbass only provided probable cause. Gregory provided probable cause, a videotaped confession, video evidence of the object in his possession, and his personal identification of that object, its role, and characteristics that make it illegal.

That said, I don't favor prosecuting him. I favor abolishing a hopelessly stupid law.
2013-01-06 09:21:01 PM  
1 votes:

radiumsoup: Dimensio: Lying and breaking the law is acceptable when advocating the cause of prohibiting civilian ownership of "high-capacity" magazines such as those that can hold fifteen rounds of ammunition. Such devices are of use only for killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible, which is why law enforcement agencies should retain access to them.

Well, then I state my opinion that lying to police and carrying a firearm for self defense in prohibited places such as Chicago is acceptable when advocating the cause of staying alive while walking through dangerous neighborhoods such as those located in "gun free" zones (chortle). Or is that bordering on circular logic, just like your statement?

And, you actually think the reason the very subjective description of "high capacity" magazines should be given to law enforcement agencies so that "they can kill as may people as possible as quickly as possible"? I'd much rather they kill just the people they need to, not as many as possible... therefore, "standard capacity" magazines should be sufficient for them, too. Goose/gander. Local police are not a force of war.


I believe it was sarcasm, with the gaping logic gap as satire.
2013-01-06 07:33:08 PM  
1 votes:
Sweet!! Our guns don't even need bullets in them any more to be deadly!!!

And all this time I spent loading 50,000 rounds of various calibers... when the mag is the deadly part.

Washington DC....almost as douchebaggy as The Peeplez Republik of Kalifornia.

Almost, but not quite.
2013-01-06 07:19:41 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: hasty ambush:

Here's another for your collection

"And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."-27 April 1995 Dianne Feinstein


Considering that it is impossible (not "almost",impossible not "virtually" impossible) for a non-government connected citizen to get a CCW in San Francisco... this is the most disgusting one.
2013-01-06 07:12:26 PM  
1 votes:

AssAsInAssassin: GAT_00: BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?

It's worth pointing out here that a few people who are fervently pro-gun are now demanding that someone be charged with a law they consider illegal without actual proof that the law is violated.  Which really boils down to nothing more than wanting to throw your political enemies in prison.

Thiis. You said it more eloquently than I just did.


Or maybe some of us think that neither should be charged with anything because the law is utterly retarded, and are pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of the anti-gun stance when they want to exempt "their" guy from the laws they intend for everyone else.

We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not men. If a law becomes a burden for the politically connected class, either repeal it, or suck it up. But please stop the mental gymnastics to defend the status quo.
2013-01-06 07:05:13 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: I find it encouraging that the Conservative Entertainment Complex is finally worrying about the treatment of minorities and the disadvantaged. Bravo!

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You should step off of the plantation from time to time.

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"I think that some restriction on speech is appropriate." -Sen. Dianne Feinstein, on C-span2, Monday, June 5th, 1995

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."
Bill Clinton, 42nd US President MTV's "Enough is Enough" 4-19-94

"We still will have the freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of movement, but we may have to have more discipline in doing it..." -President Clinton referring to his Ominibus Counterterrorism Act on "60 Minutes".

"[the United States] can't be so fixed on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..." -- President William Clinton, Boston Globe, 3/2/93, page 3
2013-01-06 07:05:07 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: They cannot be compelled by subpoena to produce specifically the item in evidence that the police and prosecutors want to convict a person unless the authorities want to give them use immunity. The police can search their premises to locate that item and can seize that item, but searching ain't always finding.


Works for me, immunize the producers and charge Gregory
2013-01-06 07:05:01 PM  
1 votes:
From an law standpoint, the whole deal is ridiculous, and the law shouldn't even be on the books. From an equal protection standpoint, these cops are hypocrites. To sum up: stupid hypocrites hold positions of power in the Washington D.C. area. Shocking, I know.

In the Atlantic Civil War archives, there is a phrase used here in the writings of a man who led one of the first black regiments during the Civil War.

For the tldr crowd: ...for there is nothing in human history so momentous as the transit of a race from chattel-slavery to armed freedom...

It's the "armed freedom" bit that is interesting, implying that there are indeed tiers of "freedom". Before everyone starts pointing out these men were in the army, yeah, I know. My point is this: armed freedom is freedom with power. Power in anyone else's hands always leaves would-be tyrants clutching at their pearls.
2013-01-06 07:03:56 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Producers: "Here's the fifth amendment. Unless that warrant comes with an offer of immunity, go fark yourselves".


I'd like to see that. He would be legally justified in doing so and there wouldn't be evidence to try him, BUT we would all get to call him the hypocrite that he is. I hope he goes that route.

I take the same approach with people claiming nothing was wrong with the Fast and Furious scandal. Why then did Obama claim executive privilege, and why did Holder refuse to testify?
2013-01-06 06:57:59 PM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Mrbogey: GAT_00: The defendant is never required to provide evidence against themselves. It is obtained by police through warrants.

Police: "Here's a warrant to produce the device you had on TV".

Producers: "Here's the fifth amendment. Unless that warrant comes with an offer of immunity, go fark yourselves".


You cannot be seriously suggesting that no criminal defendant has ever been compelled by subpoena to produce evidence that might incriminate them. No, you cannot be that stupid. How else do you believe prosecutors obtain evidence only under control of a dedendant? Magic, perhaps?
2013-01-06 06:53:30 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: GAT_00: The defendant is never required to provide evidence against themselves. It is obtained by police through warrants.

Police: "Here's a warrant to produce the device you had on TV".


Producers: "Here's the fifth amendment. Unless that warrant comes with an offer of immunity, go fark yourselves".
2013-01-06 06:50:15 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Farkage: And if either of them was charged, they both have to be charged.

Because a picture of you holding a magazine in a place not your residence is EXACTLY the same class of evidence as being busted with said magazine in your vehicle along with the weapon it is intended to be used with.

The desperation here is hilarious.


Geez, I hate to burst your condom but video (and pictures) is used to convict people all the time. And, as someone else pointed out, all the prosecutors have to do is subpoena people involved with that broadcast to testify that this was a real mag and Gregory is cooked which would make the rest of us who hate liberal hypocrisy laugh.

Farkin idiot.
2013-01-06 06:47:29 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: vudutek: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

http://www.wtop.com/41/3171388/NBCs-David-Gregory-may-have-violated- DC -gun-laws-during-interview-
"The official said he took a phone call on Friday from someone at NBC who wanted to know about showing ammunition and a gun magazine on the show. "

Loaded or not, that sure sounds like it was a real mag.

Go to court with that and see what happens.

Yeah, speculation is not proof.  Lack of proof appears to be enough for a few people who are quite concerned though.


Because a video of him holding the mag, him stating that it is a high capacity magazine, and the fact that he asked the police if the magazine would be legal to have are all completely irrelevant. Do you think that leaves "reasonable doubt" because it sounds like the only doubt that's left is closer to a 1/1,000,000 chance of him not having broken the law, which isn't exactly reasonable. Look, it's ok that you want 2 sets of rules for people, but your statement here isn't going to affect any court decision, so can you come off the full retard act and admit he broke the law beyond a reasonable doubt?
2013-01-06 06:46:50 PM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: Why does the presence of any empty holster kick off anything, much less a traffic stop? Why does a traffic stop justify searching the vehicle?


Because the law in D.C. only allows for criminals to have weapons. Then the guy told him the shiat was in his car. Pretty simple.
2013-01-06 06:45:32 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The desperation here is hilarious.


I agree. At least about the desperation coming from you. A news anchor went on TV and claimed the object in his hand was a 30 round magazine, it resembled a 30 round magazine, and he had even called the police department ahead of time to see how to possess a 30 round magazine.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if this was some right wing hack holding a firearm that resembled a machinegun, which he claimed was a machinegun and of which he had talked to the NYC or DC PD about before bringing on his show, we'd be hearing a very different tune from you.
2013-01-06 06:45:06 PM  
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian:
This "good darkie," as you so racistly phrased it, carried a loaded assault rifle openly...


Nitpick: unless that gun has fully automatic functionality, it is not an assault rifle.

/but hey, at least you didn't call it an AK47
2013-01-06 06:44:39 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Farkage: And if either of them was charged, they both have to be charged.

Because a picture of you holding a magazine in a place not your residence is EXACTLY the same class of evidence as being busted with said magazine in your vehicle along with the weapon it is intended to be used with.

The desperation here is hilarious.


Not so much, but nice try. I'm glad you approve of double standards though. It is either very illegal to have a high capacity magazine or it isn't, correct?
2013-01-06 06:43:18 PM  
1 votes:

Giltric: Oblio13: We came close to ruining a law-abiding working man's life, and are arguing about causing a TV anchor grief, because of a silly, arbitrary limit on a simple device any car mechanic could make. And people still think our gun laws are too lax?

Based on the prior gun control threads i am convinced that the gun control crowd has no idea what laws actually exist....therefore they believe they are too lax.


For a minority of gun control advocates, that civilians are able to legally own any firearms is proof that existing laws are too "lax".

For a larger minority, that civilians are able to legally own any firearm reliant upon technology developed within the previous two-hundred years is proof that existing laws are too "lax".
2013-01-06 06:43:11 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Farkage: And if either of them was charged, they both have to be charged.

Because a picture of you holding a magazine in a place not your residence is EXACTLY the same class of evidence as being busted with said magazine in your vehicle along with the weapon it is intended to be used with.

The desperation here is hilarious.


Says the guy who thinks the perp was parked in the lincoln bedroom
2013-01-06 06:39:11 PM  
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Oblio13: We came close to ruining a law-abiding working man's life, and are arguing about causing a TV anchor grief, because of a silly, arbitrary limit on a simple device any car mechanic could make. And people still think our gun laws are too lax?


Based on the prior gun control threads i am convinced that the gun control crowd has no idea what laws actually exist....therefore they believe they are too lax.
2013-01-06 06:37:38 PM  
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FTA: Ted Gest, called and provided the exact same quote. Mr. Gest added that, despite Mr. Brinkley's acquittal, the ruling "doesn't mean the judge is right, and we're wrong."

YES, if farking does, you idiot fark.

This is the goddamn problem with law enforcement in the US. They think they ARE the law, and judges' opinions contrary to that be damned.

/eat my shiat, Ted Gest
2013-01-06 06:29:21 PM  
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Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


I heard that mr gregory may or may not have had possession of a real high capacity magazine in 1990 and that you are still a moron in 2013.
2013-01-06 06:28:13 PM  
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ecmoRandomNumbers: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Hi, and welcome to The United States of America. Be very careful of your skin color, as it will affect how you are perceived in Court.


Has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with one being a normal dude and the other being a rich and connected TV personality.

Average white dude would probably face similar bullshiat. Al Roker would have gotten a pass.
2013-01-06 06:27:09 PM  
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We came close to ruining a law-abiding working man's life, and are arguing about causing a TV anchor grief, because of a silly, arbitrary limit on a simple device any car mechanic could make. And people still think our gun laws are too lax?
2013-01-06 06:25:39 PM  
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2013-01-06 06:18:48 PM  
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Progressives gonna progress.
2013-01-06 06:15:31 PM  
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5 things to remember when you enjoy firearms.

1.) never goto california
2.) or newyork
3.) or illinois
4.) or DC
5.) if you are doing something possibly illegal do not mention it to an authority.
2013-01-06 06:08:00 PM  
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ecmoRandomNumbers: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Hi, and welcome to The United States of America. Be very careful of your skin color, as it will affect how you are perceived in Court.


Or if you're a Kennedy.
2013-01-06 05:54:05 PM  
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Peter von Nostrand: Lsherm: In the much better, much longer version of the story they actually note that he had an arrest warrant out because of a prior traffic stop that never got taken care of.  That's what snowballed the search.  They should have dropped the charges.  It's a stupid law, and it shouldn't have been applied in this case anyway.  Nor should it have been applied when what's his face waved an empty magazine on tv.

Gun control laws tend to be pretty stupid, as do the people who support them.  They don't do any good, and instead exist solely so the police have an excuse to harass law-abiding citizens like this man.

I guess all those countries with far more restrictive gun laws that have far fewer deaths due to gun violence are "stupid". However the belief that because Billy Joe Bob and his drinking buddies are armed, they are the last thing that stands between us and the tyranny of the US government makes complete sense


You could always move to Mexico... guns are illegal there. Seems like a safe place.
2013-01-06 03:29:00 PM  
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Obviously, DC's gun laws are designed to get guns & accessories off the streets, not out of TV studios.  It has nothing to do with race or socioeconomic status.
2013-01-06 03:27:18 PM  
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Even if a bank robber passes a note stating he has a gun he's going down for armed robbery if all he's got is a rotten banana in his pocket. And in some states that's a minimum jail term outside the judge's discretion.
2013-01-06 03:24:42 PM  
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Ya'll are insane... and this thread is a perfect example of why can't have a reasonable discourse about gun control in this country.
2013-01-06 02:05:34 PM  
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BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?


One should be able to trust the MPD on taking unregistered GUNS TO THE WHITE HOUSE but personally I would have made two trips.
2013-01-06 02:02:18 PM  
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Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Take that to court.


Take the prop mags to court. What would the court's opinion be if a defendant refuses to produce evidence requested?
2013-01-06 01:58:19 PM  
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BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?


It's worth pointing out here that a few people who are fervently pro-gun are now demanding that someone be charged with a law they consider illegal without actual proof that the law is violated.  Which really boils down to nothing more than wanting to throw your political enemies in prison.
 
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