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(Washington Times)   It's one thing to break DC's gun laws when you're white and rich but if you're non-white and non-rich... oh you better believe you're going to get charged with a crime. Bonus: Defendant is an Army vet and applicant for US Marshal   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 310
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2013-01-06 08:12:01 PM  

GAT_00: Mrbogey: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Take that to court.

Take the prop mags to court. What would the court's opinion be if a defendant refuses to produce evidence requested?

Ah yes, the defense is legally required to provide to the prosecution evidence that could be used to convict them.  That's a nice corollary to the 5th Amendment.


It can be used to impeach credibility. David Gregory showed up with a mag and said "this is a real mag". The prosecution can compel the production of the mag to state whether he was lying on the show. Since the statement verifies the validity of the crime it is admissible. The 5th amendment is not a license for you to lie to both the public and the courts. Credibility IS a corollary to the 5th amendment.
 
2013-01-06 08:13:12 PM  

Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...


Why do you think the left is eager to take guns away from people? So they can have them themselves. David is no different than any of the other elitist shiatheads. Anybody remember that fatass Rosie O'Donnell who said people shouldn't have guns and then was found to have surrounded herself with gun toting guards? Every time a lefty opens up his greasy hole and says something, all I hear is the same crap I hear from shiatty parents. "Do as I say, not as I do." Blah blah blah.
 
2013-01-06 08:14:36 PM  
Glad to see the Fark anti-gun douchebags will ignore the law breaker as long as he has the same ideals as their dumbasses do. BTW, his anti-gun ass tried to get the permission from the police. He was denied, yet still brandished the hi-cap mag. He should be thrown in jail. Yet you idiots don't care. What hypocrites you liberal idiots are.

Just remember that for every million guns that Americans own that 34 are used in a murder.
 
2013-01-06 08:20:39 PM  

BGates: Glad to see the Fark anti-gun douchebags will ignore the law breaker as long as he has the same ideals as their dumbasses do. BTW, his anti-gun ass tried to get the permission from the police. He was denied, yet still brandished the hi-cap mag. He should be thrown in jail. Yet you idiots don't care. What hypocrites you liberal idiots are.

Just remember that for every million guns that Americans own that 34 are used in a murder.


Lying and breaking the law is acceptable when advocating the cause of prohibiting civilian ownership of "high-capacity" magazines such as those that can hold fifteen rounds of ammunition. Such devices are of use only for killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible, which is why law enforcement agencies should retain access to them.
 
2013-01-06 08:25:31 PM  
The second amendment will never be repealed.

No major gun control legislation and no new "assault" weapon or high capacity magazine ban will be passed.

The sooner you come to terms with this reality the better you will feel.

/And the sooner gun, ammo, and magazine prices will come back down to a reasonable level
 
2013-01-06 08:25:33 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


Not only are you a self-proclaimed ass, but you are also a flaming, ignorant Idiot.
 
2013-01-06 08:27:15 PM  

angryjd: It can be used to impeach credibility. David Gregory showed up with a mag and said "this is a real mag".


You're gonna charge him with lying on TV? In Washington?
 
2013-01-06 08:29:31 PM  

logicalman: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

Not only are you a self-proclaimed ass, but you are also a flaming, ignorant Idiot.


That's not much of a proof.
 
2013-01-06 08:35:07 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan told The Washington Times, "We feel it was a valid arrest, and the appropriate charges were brought." Moments later, a spokesman for the D.C. attorney general's office, Ted Gest, called and provided the exact same quote. Mr. Gest added that, despite Mr. Brinkley's acquittal, the ruling "doesn't mean the judge is right, and we're wrong."

/actually, you're being wrong with charging him with a crime is EXACTLY what the judgment means.


Dammit, came here to say that, word for word.
 
2013-01-06 08:36:54 PM  
Is this an article about a man who was wrongly charged or an article biatching that Gregory wasn't?
 
2013-01-06 08:38:04 PM  

Dimensio: Lying and breaking the law is acceptable when advocating the cause of prohibiting civilian ownership of "high-capacity" magazines such as those that can hold fifteen rounds of ammunition. Such devices are of use only for killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible, which is why law enforcement agencies should retain access to them.


Well, then I state my opinion that lying to police and carrying a firearm for self defense in prohibited places such as Chicago is acceptable when advocating the cause of staying alive while walking through dangerous neighborhoods such as those located in "gun free" zones (chortle). Or is that bordering on circular logic, just like your statement?

And, you actually think the reason the very subjective description of "high capacity" magazines should be given to law enforcement agencies so that "they can kill as may people as possible as quickly as possible"? I'd much rather they kill just the people they need to, not as many as possible... therefore, "standard capacity" magazines should be sufficient for them, too. Goose/gander. Local police are not a force of war.
 
2013-01-06 08:38:15 PM  
David Gregory is a total asshat. That being said neither he nor this guy should be charged with a crime.
 
2013-01-06 08:42:15 PM  
Why is it that it somehow became OK to abdicate personal judgement and responsibility as a...hmm, up here they would be the crown prosecutor, not sure with you guys, maybe district attorney? Anyhow is he pursuing zero tolerance (aka moral cowardice) or just a complete asshat. Oh, for the record I'm all for gun control because it does in fact work when implemented properly.
 
2013-01-06 08:42:16 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


Well, I am sure if it comes to court, the bigwig from the NRA is probably going to get recognized as a gun expert by the court. He was sitting about 4 feet away.

Anyway, they pretty much admitted it was a real mag by attempting to ask permission.

/nothing will happen
//some animals are more equal than others
 
2013-01-06 08:45:05 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: What bothers you more: That the clip is illegal, or that a journalist from the mainstreamliberalmedia had one in his possession?
Conservative cognitive dissonance is always fun to watch.


I'm going to go with "the selective enforcement of a law, which demonstrates that the law is not about keeping people safe, but keeping certain people under control of an authoritarian government"

White, rich, or connected ... no enforcement.

Minority, poor, or just an "average" citizen ... off to jail you go!
 
2013-01-06 08:52:17 PM  
I'm pretty sure transporting a firearm or like device through any state/city/district requires you to follow the laws of that district, including not bringing illegal weapons or magazines through. Just because the law is stupid, doesn't mean it can be ignored. Also, I wouldn't be caught approaching the White House with any part of a weapon, including a holster.

Now, did the Secret Service really have probable cause for search? I don't think so.

As for David Gregory, you have a moron who, in the process of spouting off about strengthening gun laws, (allegedly) violates a DC gun law on national TV. Way to go jackass.
 
2013-01-06 08:54:53 PM  

jafiwam: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

Well, I am sure if it comes to court, the bigwig from the NRA is probably going to get recognized as a gun expert by the court. He was sitting about 4 feet away.

Anyway, they pretty much admitted it was a real mag by attempting to ask permission.

/nothing will happen
//some animals are more equal than others


And the defense will hold up a rack of magazines four feet from him and ask him to identify the fakes and the real ones.

And the only thing they admitted is that they wanted to show a real magazine.  Asking permission is not equivalent admitting guilt.
 
2013-01-06 08:56:26 PM  

Mr. Breeze: I'm pretty sure transporting a firearm or like device through any state/city/district requires you to follow the laws of that district, including not bringing illegal weapons or magazines through.


Federal law defines a transportation storage standard that protects civilians who travel through localities that substantially restrict firearm possession on their way to a less restrictive locality.
 
2013-01-06 08:58:08 PM  

jafiwam: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

Well, I am sure if it comes to court, the bigwig from the NRA is probably going to get recognized as a gun expert by the court. He was sitting about 4 feet away.

Anyway, they pretty much admitted it was a real mag by attempting to ask permission.

/nothing will happen
//some animals are more equal than others


If they asked for permission, and didn't get it, then it would make sense to use a fake mag, no?

If the magazine was not loaded, how could anybody possibly tell if it was real just by looking at it?

www.historicreplicaguns.com

This is unbelievably stupid. The law is supposed to have a purpose, and Gregory's temporary possession of an empty magazine did not violate that purpose (if it wasn't empty, it's probably worth charging him for being stupid).

The same goes for Brinkley, though. No reason he should have been charged. It was a "Grimm" search, though, where they could search his vehicle because he had a warrant out for missing jury duty or some such shiat.
 
2013-01-06 08:58:33 PM  
I'm still amused that the right is willing to eat their own for having the audacity to question our gun laws. Or lack thereof
 
2013-01-06 09:06:19 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: compare UK and US violent crime


Ok one major complaint with this video and why statistics are so hard to translate over from country to country. Definition of violent crime varies by country. The guy does a direct comparison between the U.S. and the UK, which is nice and all, but one might wonder "Why does the UK have a way higher violent crime rate?" or you could be this guy and compare irrelevant stats.

As it turns out the UK has a much broader definition of violent crime, in particular in regards to sex offenses.
The U.S. has a much narrower definition.

The end result is that the UK has a much higher violent crime rate because more crimes are classified as violent. TADA.

The argument is whether gun control laws actually would reduce gun violence, which is a far more complicated question. In Mexico for instance laws do not work so well, then again what are the point of laws if you cannot enforce them. Canada has gun control laws and enforce them and have decent results.

There are two issues with gun control laws in the U.S. 1. Developing an effective gun law that at the same time is not prohibitive to the useful uses of a gun.. 2. Enforcing said law.

1. I am ignoring the developing the gun law part of this because, fark that can of worms.
2. Enforcing the law. Any law that is passed is only effective if it is enforced. Lets look at only one aspect of this, implementation. You have created and passed a gun control law the first thing you will have to do is get all current gun owners to comply...good luck. There are +300 million REGISTERED guns in the U.S. I personally have no guns, I enjoy shooting and I know how to use one but personally I do not have one my dad on the other hand has eight unregistered guns. These 8 guns legally do not need to be registered, a significant portion of the population will have similar guns. Lets take a conservative number and say there are +300 million legally unregistered guns in the U.S. That leaves ?? million unregistered guns that are illegal. A good example of what is out there are the rocket launchers and assault rifles (blah blah blah msm ignorance about what an assault rifle is, if they got 2 rocket launchers they got assault rifles) from the L.A. gun turn in. If someone turned those in odds are someone else did not.

Implementation and enforcement are major issues for any laws passed.

The gun control law that SHOULD be passed, but have been consistently weakened anytime they are proposed, are laws when obtaining a gun legally. It is very easy to get a gun and that is a problem, but an even bigger problem that it is so easy to get a gun you do not even need to know how to properly handle a gun to get one. Many of the laws that have been passed to try and correct the problem of how to handle a gun have been watered down to the point where it is little more than getting your signature. I personally do not care if you own a gun, I do care if you own a gun and have no clue wtf you are doing with it.


Guns are far more than point and shoot and the biggest problem our country faces is that it there is a sizable portion of the population that thinks this way. I do not care if you have been handling a gun for your entire life, if you want to buy a gun or have a registered gun, you should be REQUIRED to take two training courses.

1. General gun safety, don't point it at anything you don't want to shoot, lock it away from kids, don't hold it against your head for facebook pictures, even if you think it is unloaded treat it like it is loaded etc... You know the shiat that should not have to be said but apparently does need to be said. (you can even hand out little cards, so you only have to do it once every I don't know 10 years (only needed for purchasing a new gun), would only take one hour probably two though because people are idiots.

2. How to use your new gun, have it take place at a firing range, and have people actually shoot the gun.


If you want to buy a fire arm you should have to learn how to use it. It is not limiting your rights it primarily is protecting YOUR (gun owners) safety because the gun YOU own is more likely to kill or harm you or a family member than anyone else.
 
2013-01-06 09:09:01 PM  

Mrbogey: GAT_00: The defendant is never required to provide evidence against themselves. It is obtained by police through warrants.

Police: "Here's a warrant to produce the device you had on TV".


I hope you are trolling and not really that stupid
 
2013-01-06 09:09:51 PM  

Mr. Breeze: I'm pretty sure transporting a firearm or like device through any state/city/district requires you to follow the laws of that district, including not bringing illegal weapons or magazines through.


Pretty sure = wrong.

A lot of times the law is written so that those *transporting* guns are exempt, which is what appears to be the case here, since the violation was thrown out by the court.
 
2013-01-06 09:21:01 PM  

radiumsoup: Dimensio: Lying and breaking the law is acceptable when advocating the cause of prohibiting civilian ownership of "high-capacity" magazines such as those that can hold fifteen rounds of ammunition. Such devices are of use only for killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible, which is why law enforcement agencies should retain access to them.

Well, then I state my opinion that lying to police and carrying a firearm for self defense in prohibited places such as Chicago is acceptable when advocating the cause of staying alive while walking through dangerous neighborhoods such as those located in "gun free" zones (chortle). Or is that bordering on circular logic, just like your statement?

And, you actually think the reason the very subjective description of "high capacity" magazines should be given to law enforcement agencies so that "they can kill as may people as possible as quickly as possible"? I'd much rather they kill just the people they need to, not as many as possible... therefore, "standard capacity" magazines should be sufficient for them, too. Goose/gander. Local police are not a force of war.


I believe it was sarcasm, with the gaping logic gap as satire.
 
2013-01-06 09:44:14 PM  

pueblonative: But here's the thing that a lot of you are forgetting: the whole point of the article is that the prosecutors tried to convict a guy for that and FAILED before the David Gregory case with shockingly similar circumstances. Yeah they can bluster all they want about the previous case, but they know that with that around their neck second time really will be harder.


You should read the article for quotes from the prosecutor's office.

Mazzic518: I hope you are trolling and not really that stupid


You're right... the police never issue subpoenas for evidence.
 
2013-01-06 09:54:27 PM  

Mrbogey: pueblonative: But here's the thing that a lot of you are forgetting: the whole point of the article is that the prosecutors tried to convict a guy for that and FAILED before the David Gregory case with shockingly similar circumstances. Yeah they can bluster all they want about the previous case, but they know that with that around their neck second time really will be harder.

You should read the article for quotes from the prosecutor's office.

Mazzic518: I hope you are trolling and not really that stupid

You're right... the police never issue subpoenas for evidence.


Because police don't issue subpoenas retard
 
2013-01-06 10:01:30 PM  

Mrbogey: pueblonative: But here's the thing that a lot of you are forgetting: the whole point of the article is that the prosecutors tried to convict a guy for that and FAILED before the David Gregory case with shockingly similar circumstances. Yeah they can bluster all they want about the previous case, but they know that with that around their neck second time really will be harder.

You should read the article for quotes from the prosecutor's office.

Mazzic518: I hope you are trolling and not really that stupid

You're right... the police never issue subpoenas for evidence.


Who is going to receive this subpoena?
 
2013-01-06 10:02:03 PM  

Nadnerbus: AssAsInAssassin: Nadnerbus: AssAsInAssassin:
Where did I say neither (or both) should be charged? I just pointed out that the same people who think the magazines should be legal also want to see the liberal David Gregory prosecuted. No hypocrisy on my end.

I think you are misreading the intent (though I can't speak for anyone but myself). Again, either the law applies to Gregory the same as everyone else, or it should not apply to anyone. By pointing out that he absolutely should be charged under the law as it is written and implemented, the hope is that people will concede that the law is in fact stupid and protects no one, while empowering the state to control people to an even higher degree.

Think of it as the Socratic method. If Gregory shouldn't be charged, then why should TFA guy be?


I didn't say Gregory shouldn't be charged. You assume too much.
 
2013-01-06 10:12:04 PM  

Mazzic518: Because police don't issue subpoenas retard


You're gonna nitpick my phrasing? Okay, the court issues it... the police sometimes serve the subpoena... happy?
 
2013-01-06 10:22:34 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


If X were serious about enforcing the law for him, X could easily obtain a warrant to search the newsroom/his house based on the footage of him waving the clip, could probably detain and interrogate Gregory, and would certainly interrogate the other involved nincompoops.

It's not our job to prove Gregory had a real mag. It's not our job to prove Gregory was snorting coke if someone snaps film of him doing that, or that he was looking at cheese pizza if he confesses on TV to having that on his computer. If there's solid evidence that he's probably doing those things, though, and the prosecutor is remotely interested in enforcing the law, he'll follow up on it, and he'll do the proving with the tools at his disposal.

That sort of interest seems to be lacking in this case. Incidentally, you look like a jackass for pretending that this is the issue, since not even Gregory is saying the mag was a fake.
 
2013-01-06 10:25:35 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.


Does it matter? If a person, say, posts a status update on Facebook that says, "Drivin drunk ... classsic ;) but to whoever's vehicle i hit i am sorry. :P", that person is screwed. They just provided probable cause. Well, so did Gregory. He said, "Here is a magazine for ammunition that carries 30 bullets." He identified the object in his possession. It's up to the investigator to show that the evidence goes against the accused. He was kind enough to hand that evidence over to them and the entire viewership of the show. In short, he stupidly made the investigator's case for them. Because of his stupidity, it's no longer up to them to show it was real. It's up to him to show it's not.
 
2013-01-06 10:27:01 PM  

Dimensio: BGates: Glad to see the Fark anti-gun douchebags will ignore the law breaker as long as he has the same ideals as their dumbasses do. BTW, his anti-gun ass tried to get the permission from the police. He was denied, yet still brandished the hi-cap mag. He should be thrown in jail. Yet you idiots don't care. What hypocrites you liberal idiots are.

Just remember that for every million guns that Americans own that 34 are used in a murder.


Lying and breaking the law is acceptable when advocating the cause of prohibiting civilian ownership of "high-capacity" magazines such as those that can hold fifteen rounds of ammunition. Such devices are of use only for killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible, which is why law enforcement agencies should retain access to them.


Uh, pardon me but NO.

It's not.
 
2013-01-06 10:31:45 PM  

treesloth: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

Does it matter? If a person, say, posts a status update on Facebook that says, "Drivin drunk ... classsic ;) but to whoever's vehicle i hit i am sorry. :P", that person is screwed. They just provided probable cause.


Ah, but in that example the prosecutors have to prove which car he hit, and also have to prove that he was drunk as opposed to just blowing smoke up everybody's ass. In as much as I've talked about the subpoena, the prosecutors don't need it anyways so if they want to prosecute I don't think they'd bother. And you're right, it is an affirmative defense which I think is a long shot.

And even if for some reason Gregory was jailed, it wouldn't change the minds of people who want sensible gun regulation one bit.
 
2013-01-06 10:44:00 PM  

treesloth: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

It's up to him to show it's not.


Not in this country.
 
2013-01-06 10:47:33 PM  

pueblonative: treesloth: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrbogey: One law for thee but not for me...

Prove Gregory had a real mag.

Does it matter? If a person, say, posts a status update on Facebook that says, "Drivin drunk ... classsic ;) but to whoever's vehicle i hit i am sorry. :P", that person is screwed. They just provided probable cause.

Ah, but in that example the prosecutors have to prove which car he hit, and also have to prove that he was drunk as opposed to just blowing smoke up everybody's ass. In as much as I've talked about the subpoena, the prosecutors don't need it anyways so if they want to prosecute I don't think they'd bother. And you're right, it is an affirmative defense which I think is a long shot.

And even if for some reason Gregory was jailed, it wouldn't change the minds of people who want sensible gun regulation one bit.


It would also not alter the opinions of advocates of unreasonable firearm regulations, like advocates of banning "assault weapons".
 
2013-01-06 10:47:50 PM  

pueblonative: Ah, but in that example the prosecutors have to prove which car he hit, and also have to prove that he was drunk as opposed to just blowing smoke up everybody's ass. In as much as I've talked about the subpoena, the prosecutors don't need it anyways so if they want to prosecute I don't think they'd bother. And you're right, it is an affirmative defense which I think is a long shot.


Sure, there are differences. The FB dumbass only provided probable cause. Gregory provided probable cause, a videotaped confession, video evidence of the object in his possession, and his personal identification of that object, its role, and characteristics that make it illegal.

That said, I don't favor prosecuting him. I favor abolishing a hopelessly stupid law.
 
2013-01-06 10:51:19 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not in this country.


Yes, in this country, since he was kind enough to hand all the evidence over. They have to make the case. He was nice enough to do that for them. He willingly and stupidly gave up the protection of presumed innocence. He walked away from it. It wasn't taken from him.
 
2013-01-06 10:53:13 PM  
"Standard Capacity" 30 round AR-15 magazine
www.brownells.com

"High-capacity" 100 round AR-15 magazine.
www.mississippiautoarms.com

"Standard Capacity" 100 round Calico magazine (also comes in 50 rounds from the manufacturer)
world.guns.ru

Can someone tell me what a 'high capacity' magazine is? It seems to me that is is a magazine that holds more rounds than originaly designed by the manufacturer.
Lets look at car for a minute. A 1994 Geo Metro Holds 10 (magic number!) gallons of gas.A 1994 Ford F-250 holds about 40 gallons. So does the F-250 have a high-capacity fuel tank? Well compared to the Geo, then sure. But it was designed to take a 40 gallon tank. So what if we limited it to a 10 gallon tank? It would sure cut down on the length of illegal police chases and possibly save a life. So the 99.9999% of the other people who use the truck for sporting or transportation purposes would have to refuel more frequently, but isn't it worth a small inconvience if it saves just one life?

A 1911 was designed to hold 7-8 rounds. A Glock 17, 17 rounds. A Sig Sauer 226, 12 rounds. An AR-15, 20-30 rounds. So where does the magic number of 10 come from? What kind of slaughter can you do with 11 rounds that you cannot do with 10? And will be have 'low-capacity' magazine credits? If I have two 7 .45 caliber magazines, will I be allowed to have one 15 9mm magazine?

Who decided that 10 rounds is the perfect fit for EVERY gun? Do these people think it will make a difference? That a person will say "Well, I can't legally buy a 30 round mag for my illegally obtained rifle, so it's just not worth the trouble to go shoot up that playground over there"?

And one last question for senator Feinstein (whom I like to imagine reads Fark when she's not busy getting wet over the thought of banning 'assault weapons'). If you did get this ban in effect, and no one was allowed to carry more than 10 round in their magazine....will that include the one you have a carry permit for? Or, much like ObamaCare, will senators be exempt from that as well? I'm sure your body guards won't be limited to 10 rounds, because that would just be stupid, right?
 
2013-01-06 10:56:14 PM  

treesloth: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not in this country.

Yes, in this country, since he was kind enough to hand all the evidence over. They have to make the case. He was nice enough to do that for them. He willingly and stupidly gave up the protection of presumed innocence. He walked away from it. It wasn't taken from him.


Your alma mater?

www.pitt.edu
 
2013-01-07 12:07:37 AM  
"All animals are created equal / Except that some are more equal than others"
 
2013-01-07 12:14:39 AM  
Shove it.
 
2013-01-07 01:10:27 AM  

pedrop357: Why does the presence of any empty holster kick off anything, much less a traffic stop? Why does a traffic stop justify searching the vehicle?


I think it was a combination of three things:

1) He was at a White House tour
2) He was at a White House tour acting suspicious by asking a secret service agent question about White House security.
3) He was at a White House tour acting strangely and had an outstanding arrest warrant
4) He was at a White House tour acting strangely, had an outstanding arrest warrant, and had decided to wear a holster that day.

Also, according to the article, he called the Washington Police Department before the incident asking more strange security-related questions, for example if he could bring a gun to the White House, and they told him yes, but only as long as it was locked in his trunk and he didn't get out of his car. So, he got out of his car.

I'm guessing the guy is crazier than a sack of potato bugs.
 
2013-01-07 01:18:09 AM  
What article did you read?
 
2013-01-07 05:53:40 AM  
could have been this douchebag
 
2013-01-07 07:05:38 AM  
Needs a hero tag,

FTA:


Mr. Brinkley refused to take a plea bargain and admit guilt, so the matter went to trial Dec. 4. The judge sided with Mr. Brinkley, saying he had met the burden of proof that he was legally transporting. Mr. Brinkley was found not guilty on all firearms-related charges, including for the "high-capacity" magazines, and he was left with a $50 traffic ticket.

Hey, citizen! You're under arrest for this, that and the other thing. How about you just confess to some bullshiat charge we have no evidence of and call it a day?
 
2013-01-07 07:19:21 AM  

GAT_00: BSABSVR: Can I say neither should be charged with anything, or is that going to throw you dipshiats into a fake goddamned froth?

It's worth pointing out here that a few people who are fervently pro-gun are now demanding that someone be charged with a law they consider illegal without actual proof that the law is violated.  Which really boils down to nothing more than wanting to throw your political enemies in prison.


The reason for that is to point out the unfairness and absurdity of that particular law, especially when you consider that something like it is being proposed as a nation-wide federal law.
 
2013-01-07 07:19:23 AM  

MythDragon: "Standard Capacity" 30 round AR-15 magazine
[www.brownells.com image 400x400]

"High-capacity" 100 round AR-15 magazine.
[www.mississippiautoarms.com image 330x310]

"Standard Capacity" 100 round Calico magazine (also comes in 50 rounds from the manufacturer)
[world.guns.ru image 597x168]

Can someone tell me what a 'high capacity' magazine is? It seems to me that is is a magazine that holds more rounds than originaly designed by the manufacturer.
Lets look at car for a minute. A 1994 Geo Metro Holds 10 (magic number!) gallons of gas.A 1994 Ford F-250 holds about 40 gallons. So does the F-250 have a high-capacity fuel tank? Well compared to the Geo, then sure. But it was designed to take a 40 gallon tank. So what if we limited it to a 10 gallon tank? It would sure cut down on the length of illegal police chases and possibly save a life. So the 99.9999% of the other people who use the truck for sporting or transportation purposes would have to refuel more frequently, but isn't it worth a small inconvience if it saves just one life?

A 1911 was designed to hold 7-8 rounds. A Glock 17, 17 rounds. A Sig Sauer 226, 12 rounds. An AR-15, 20-30 rounds. So where does the magic number of 10 come from? What kind of slaughter can you do with 11 rounds that you cannot do with 10? And will be have 'low-capacity' magazine credits? If I have two 7 .45 caliber magazines, will I be allowed to have one 15 9mm magazine?

Who decided that 10 rounds is the perfect fit for EVERY gun? Do these people think it will make a difference? That a person will say "Well, I can't legally buy a 30 round mag for my illegally obtained rifle, so it's just not worth the trouble to go shoot up that playground over there"?

And one last question for senator Feinstein (whom I like to imagine reads Fark when she's not busy getting wet over the thought of banning 'assault weapons'). If you did get this ban in effect, and no one was allowed to carry more than 10 round in their magazine....will that include the ...


Actually, when you're dealing with a deranged person, the act of changing magazines can be relevant:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/18/us/penn-state-shooting-is-fatal-to- s tudent-woman-is-arressted.html
 
2013-01-07 07:39:41 AM  

Animatronik: Actually, when you're dealing with a deranged person, the act of changing magazines can be relevant:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/18/us/penn-state-shooting-is-fatal-to- s tudent-woman-is-arressted.html


FTFA:

Officials said she fired at least five shots from her rifle, a Mauser with a telescopic sight,

Mausers have *FIXED* 5 magazines (ie., they are not removable). You can't change the magazine without disassembling the gun.

That said, she *COULD* have reloaded quickly using stripper clips if she didn't have that scope on the rifle. Stripper clips are clips that hold multiple bullets (usually 5 or 10) by holding the base of the bullets. You insert the clip into a slot at the top of the action, and you press down with your thumb, and you instantly loaded a full 5 or 10 round magazine. One most scope installations on Mauser rifles especially "sporterized" guns used for hunting, though, the scope covers the top of the action so you can't use a stripper clip. Military scope mounts for them (mostly sniper use) are generally offset so you can still use stripper clips.

Even some rifles with larger capacity removable magazines commonly used stripper clips: The British SMLE has a removable 10 round magazine, but they were commonly loaded with 5 round stripper clips (you'd need 2 to fill an empty magazine).

Anyway, you're arguing apples and oranges here: The gun in the story you quoted didn't have a removable magazine.
 
2013-01-07 07:41:41 AM  
I hasten to add that it's likely that if she had a common hunting scope mounting on that Mauser, she would have had to load the magazine one bullet at a time, a laborious process.
 
2013-01-07 08:00:29 AM  
All I got out of this thread before my eyes rolled back in my head and foam started pouring from the corner of my mouth was:

1. If David Gregory had robbed a bank with a banana he'd go to prison
2. Certain people think David Gregory should be charged with a crime they think shouldn't exist based on evidence they don't have
3. Gun nuts are, as always, utterly imbecilic

I think we should strip every gun control law from the books both federal and state and replace them with one:

"In order to legally own any firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition you must have a working IQ of at least 85"

No grandfather clause.

If you could instantly confiscate the guns that became illegal I'll bet accidents and crimes related to firearms would be cut in half the next day since no gun nut, NRA member or NRA official would be allowed within 50 feet of a gun ever again.

/ but seriously though, gun nut logic is pretty painfully broken
 
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