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(Miami Herald)   When it comes to pulling a train, size really DOES matter   (miamiherald.com) divider line 54
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-06 03:30:10 PM  
They are also exploring whether to build a bridge over the platform or sink the roadway below it, options which may prove unfeasible

That could be a ten million dollar option, or even higher.

That said, we have to accommodate it.

Do they really have to? Most trains are short. So tell Amtrak run short trains or skip the station.
 
2013-01-06 05:04:35 PM  
You should see the size of the trains I could pull in Unrest, MM, or Karnor's.

/always train left.
 
2013-01-06 05:12:36 PM  

had98c: You should see the size of the trains I could pull in Unrest, MM, or Karnor's.

/always train left.


Don't forget Blackburrow.
 
2013-01-06 05:12:51 PM  
Why would you pull a train with your penis?
 
2013-01-06 05:13:04 PM  
Ha-Ha. Planning at it's peak.
 
2013-01-06 05:13:15 PM  
Measure twice. Cut once.
 
2013-01-06 05:15:24 PM  

Ravijn: had98c: You should see the size of the trains I could pull in Unrest, MM, or Karnor's.

/always train left.

Don't forget Blackburrow.


Train to zone!!
 
2013-01-06 05:18:03 PM  
+1, subby, even if most people missed it.
 
2013-01-06 05:18:36 PM  
Skipped the article.

i1303.photobucket.com

Size really does matter, when your pulling a train.
 
2013-01-06 05:18:49 PM  

sloshed_again: Ha-Ha. Planning at it's peak.


Give em a little credit, after all, they only had 20 years. That's the minimum amount of time it takes to blame a predecessor.
 
2013-01-06 05:20:23 PM  

"The first inkling FDOT officials got of a possible issue, they say, came during the 2011 groundbreaking, when an Amtrak official remarked casually that 25th Street seemed too close to where the platforms would end. Filer said he subsequently emailed the official to elaborate on his concern, but got no answer over several months. He later learned the official had left Amtrak."


I fark up on small stuff at work and have to worry if my boss will write me up of fire me over it. These government guys have a farkup costing millions but no one learns about it until groundbreakings, and people make throwaway comments over it and never follow up. But that's all normal.

 
2013-01-06 05:22:04 PM  
That's what your mom said.... heh.
 
2013-01-06 05:26:19 PM  
Wait, I'm confused.  Why can't they just use the crossing gates to temporarily close the road the occasional times a long train is in the station?
 
2013-01-06 05:28:59 PM  
Feeling a bit old. I thought it was the woman that pulled the train. If she was doing so, you would think she would want a bunch of teenie weenies.
 
2013-01-06 05:29:07 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

/agrees

//so does Polly Perkins
 
2013-01-06 05:31:48 PM  
Was hoping for a different kind of " train", leaving disappointed....
 
2013-01-06 05:32:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-06 05:36:30 PM  

Big Merl: Wait, I'm confused.  Why can't they just use the crossing gates to temporarily close the road the occasional times a long train is in the station?


That doesn't spend enough.
 
2013-01-06 05:36:42 PM  
I love this headline....for so many naughty reasons.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-06 05:39:44 PM  
Why can't they just use the crossing gates to temporarily close the road the occasional times a long train is in the station?

I assume passengers can't exit except at a platform.
 
2013-01-06 05:40:31 PM  
I work for a state DOT, and one of my projects involved providing space for a future light rail train station. There were literally a half dozen consultants I had to speak with; the track work was split up among a couple of firms, the station itself was being done by another firm, the drainage by yet another company, and the utilities and signage were being handled by other consultants.

Finding out even simple dimensions like "how much parking space will you need?" or "how much distance between these two bridges is necessary?" was more difficult than learning Chinese. Designs kept changing (and we weren't informed until later), people would be replaced at the firms and their replacements had different ideas as to what worked best, and when something didn't "fit" properly we were the ones expected to adjust our design instead of the consultant fixing their mistake. So no, this news article doesn't surprise me in the least.

/light rail project then got canceled
//but the city wants our plans to still take it into account "just in case"
 
2013-01-06 05:44:26 PM  

Big Merl: Wait, I'm confused.  Why can't they just use the crossing gates to temporarily close the road the occasional times a long train is in the station?


They can. They should. They even might.

But first they're going to whine and kick and stomp in an attempt to extort some money from Amtrak and/or the federal government.
 
2013-01-06 05:46:29 PM  

ZAZ: I assume passengers can't exit except at a platform.


If only there was some way to move the passengers with respect to the platform. Some sort of car that moves on tracks and can be stopped in different places to let people on or off. Maybe some sort of "horizontal elevator"...
 
2013-01-06 05:52:17 PM  

Bendal: I work for a state DOT, and one of my projects involved providing space for a future light rail train station. There were literally a half dozen consultants I had to speak with; the track work was split up among a couple of firms, the station itself was being done by another firm, the drainage by yet another company, and the utilities and signage were being handled by other consultants.

Finding out even simple dimensions like "how much parking space will you need?" or "how much distance between these two bridges is necessary?" was more difficult than learning Chinese. Designs kept changing (and we weren't informed until later), people would be replaced at the firms and their replacements had different ideas as to what worked best, and when something didn't "fit" properly we were the ones expected to adjust our design instead of the consultant fixing their mistake. So no, this news article doesn't surprise me in the least.

/light rail project then got canceled
//but the city wants our plans to still take it into account "just in case"


Nimby, SLAPP, or Budget?
 
2013-01-06 05:52:47 PM  
Lol, railway travel. "I could fly out there tomorrow, but instead, I'd rather pay more than double the cost and travel by rail. I'll see you next week."
 
2013-01-06 05:54:04 PM  

Big Merl: Wait, I'm confused.  Why can't they just use the crossing gates to temporarily close the road the occasional times a long train is in the station?


Uh. could be several hours because it is the end of the line?
 
2013-01-06 05:55:08 PM  

Mark Ratner: Measure twice. Cut once.


Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, and cut with an axe.
 
2013-01-06 05:56:03 PM  

m1ke: Lol, railway travel. "I could fly out there tomorrow, but instead, I'd rather pay more than double the cost and travel by rail. I'll see you next week."


I like looking at poor people's backyards and I hate the TSA.
 
2013-01-06 05:56:43 PM  
but enough about subby's mom...
 
2013-01-06 06:04:09 PM  

m1ke: Lol, railway travel. "I could fly out there tomorrow, but instead, I'd rather pay more than double the cost and travel by rail. I'll see you next week."


It's ideal for traveling between cities. I would gladly pay to take a train from Tallahassee to Miami or Fort Lauderdale if such a service existed. as it is, you can either drive 8 hours (which sucks because by the time you arrive you are exhausted) OR you can pay the airlines the exuberant price of $400 to fly 2 hours on a shiatty 14 passenger plane.

ideally there would be high speed train service between all the major cities in Florida. they are far enough apart to warrant it and the terrain is mostly flat. (not to mention thousands commute between them every day anyways via car). but of course our idiot governor shot down a federal grant to build such a network because fark you and give the airlines more money! that's why.
 
2013-01-06 06:07:13 PM  
Hmmm, its not about pulling, it's about PARKING.
 
2013-01-06 06:09:14 PM  
Not if you're the first conductor, the caboose need some girth though
 
2013-01-06 06:13:32 PM  
1. Back consist into station.
2. Debark passengers only from the cars adjacent to the platform.
3. Pull train forward out of station to clear crossing and let accumulated traffic pass.
4. When departing passengers are on the platform, back train back in, load passengers.
5. Depart
6. Now send me the 3 mil $.
 
2013-01-06 06:18:04 PM  
Plenty of trains and stations on NJ Transit do not match the station exactly, they don't open the doors on the cars that don't make it. You have to walk up or back to the doors that are accessable. Oh wait, that is free and stuff, no kickbacks. So that is right out.
 
2013-01-06 06:21:02 PM  

skinink: I fark up on small stuff at work and have to worry if my boss will write me up of fire me over it. These government guys have a farkup costing millions but no one learns about it until groundbreakings, and people make throwaway comments over it and never follow up. But that's all normal.


I take it you've never worked for a big company where you're exposed to internal politics. Try and tell the VP of whatever that there is problem with his cunning plan that will cost the company 80 million dollars. Next round of layoffs, guess who's out the door.
 
2013-01-06 06:36:14 PM  
The incompetence of Governor Voldemort is spreading like a virus.
 
2013-01-06 06:37:35 PM  

ZAZ: Why can't they just use the crossing gates to temporarily close the road the occasional times a long train is in the station?

I assume passengers can't exit except at a platform.


That's what I'm thinking. The track is at grade level and there would be doors on the cars that would have no platform to use.
 
2013-01-06 06:49:03 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Challenge accepted.
 
xcv
2013-01-06 06:49:50 PM  

asmodeus224: Plenty of trains and stations on NJ Transit do not match the station exactly, they don't open the doors on the cars that don't make it. You have to walk up or back to the doors that are accessable. Oh wait, that is free and stuff, no kickbacks. So that is right out.


Yeah, it's common to hear "Only the first 4 cars will make the platform" on the Long Island Railroad. I'm surprised NJ/NY didn't take advantage of the kickback potential first.
 
2013-01-06 07:01:39 PM  

d-fens99: Challenge accepted.


Pretty sure she completed that challenge a while back.
 
2013-01-06 07:07:18 PM  

Big Merl: Wait, I'm confused.  Why can't they just use the crossing gates to temporarily close the road the occasional times a long train is in the station?


Then the friends and contracters wouldn't profit from it. Hush, citizen.
 
2013-01-06 07:33:47 PM  

Dudley_Nightsoil: 1. Back consist into station.
2. Debark passengers only from the cars adjacent to the platform.
3. Pull train forward out of station to clear crossing and let accumulated traffic pass.


+ Does the train block the intersection too long to be practical?
+ Does the train have the ability to detect which doors are at a platform and not open the others?
+ Can a two-phase boarding plan fit in the train's schedule?
+ Is running more, smaller trains cost-prohibitive or otherwise impractical?

These are likely closer to the questions being weighed. People who own and operate trains know you can move them forwards and backwards. But when you're building a platform that might be in use for a few decades, a few million up front could be the right decision. Still, someone at Amtrak screwed up, but under the arrangement there's apparently no way to hold them responsible.
 
2013-01-06 07:54:17 PM  
I'd like to propose the following solution for FREE to the City of Miami:

www.smidgeindustriesltd.com

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2013-01-06 08:38:28 PM  
Subby, I see what you did there. +1
 
2013-01-06 08:47:22 PM  
I gave you a real +1 Subs.

Nice work
 
2013-01-06 09:27:44 PM  
i172.photobucket.com

What 200 feet short may look like.
 
2013-01-06 10:34:22 PM  
Obviously, they've never ridden the LIRR.

"Next stop is Kew Gardens. You MUST be in the first 4 cars of the train to exit at Kew Gardens."
 
2013-01-06 11:03:19 PM  
or the Crushbone trains with the Dvinn caboose for the newbies.
 
2013-01-06 11:27:55 PM  

Domoarigato: Obviously, they've never ridden the LIRR.

"Next stop is Kew Gardens. You MUST be in the first 4 cars of the train to exit at Kew Gardens."


A friend lived in Florida for a job for half a dozen years. From his descriptions of old people driving, I don't think it would work to try and tell people they can't get off the last four cars, they'd get off anyways, fall down and hurt themselves. Then sue.
 
2013-01-07 12:15:01 AM  

Domoarigato: Obviously, they've never ridden the LIRR.


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Frowns on your shenanigans.
 
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