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(Sun Sentinel)   More than 400 hunters have signed up to find and kill Burmese Pythons in the Everglades. Surely nothing can go wrong with this plan   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 143
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2013-01-06 05:00:42 PM
The problem with this plan is they only allow it in the conservation(hunting) areas. The national park is off limits and it is loaded.
 
2013-01-06 05:10:46 PM
And when scientists start wondering where the high metal and lead content in the waters came from, we'll know the answer. It's like doing pre-research.
 
2013-01-06 05:10:51 PM

BigRightRear: The problem with this plan is they only allow it in the conservation(hunting) areas. The national park is off limits and it is loaded.


I'm as pro-hunting as can be but I still think the NP should be off limits. Let the park rangers deal with it.
 
2013-01-06 05:10:57 PM
So by my count we are up to about 1600 hunters going out?

/how many are named Pete?
 
2013-01-06 05:11:26 PM
Snakes up to eighteen feet long. Thousands of them. All going to get mowed down. That sounds like one hell of a lot of food going to waste, to me.

What do these things taste like, anyway?
 
2013-01-06 05:11:33 PM
By all means, keep destroying the balance of nature, until there's no nature left.
 
2013-01-06 05:14:09 PM

John Buck 41: FTFA--Participants do not need hunting licenses, unless they're under 18, or have prior experience with snakes.

Good Lord. What a poorly wriiten POS excuse for journalism.


Still can't figure out what the fark the author was trying to say with this "sentence."
 
2013-01-06 05:15:44 PM
I'm pulling for the pythons. Ignorant fracking mouth breathers killing them because they aren't cute and cuddly
 
2013-01-06 05:16:03 PM
My plan was to develop solar-power killbots armed with a small semiauto 0.22 barrel with a massive magazine.

Of course it will be Three Laws Safe to ensure they will never turn on their human masters.
 
2013-01-06 05:21:31 PM

Frank N Stein: Massa Damnata: give them all fully automatic 'hunting' weapons

I don't even know what you're trying to get at with this statement.


I wish that surprised me.
 
2013-01-06 05:22:29 PM

Insatiable Jesus: It will be funny when the pythons are gone and the wild pigs take over.


The pigs are tastier.
 
2013-01-06 05:27:10 PM

jso2897: flak attack: Good. This needed to happen. The python population in Florida has exploded lately.

It's a good idea - but 400 people seems like an awful lot, especially with no training or qualification required - not even a hunting license. That's an awful lot of amateurs to be roaming around the 'glades, blazing away at whatever they take to be a python.


The Googles says the everglades is 734 sq miles. Most shots will be at the ground at short range. There shouldn't be many problems.
 
2013-01-06 05:28:24 PM
"Mazzotti said the idea came from the office of Gov. Rick Scott, who he said wanted a "market-force" approach to the python problem.:

That explains it.
 
2013-01-06 05:28:44 PM

Massa Damnata: Frank N Stein: Massa Damnata: give them all fully automatic 'hunting' weapons

I don't even know what you're trying to get at with this statement.

I wish that surprised me.


It seems to me that you're implying that people are commonly calling full auto rifles hunting rifles. But that's not the case. It seems to me you're making a snide remark mocking a position that no one is arguing.
 
2013-01-06 05:29:50 PM
We need to do culling until nature re-establishes a balance, but this is a really bad idea. God knows how many non-pythons, other animals, and each other these yahoos are gonna be killing.
 
2013-01-06 05:30:25 PM

ParaHandy: As you may infer from the careful wording, I am British and thus opposed to dog pack hunting of foxes, due to the foxes' suffering. And also to raising animals for food and treating them inhumanely.

/ free range organically raised animals taste better too
// everybody wins


sooooo, these snakes should be extra tasty?
 
2013-01-06 05:31:47 PM

ParaHandy: / a snake that size views a dog as food that fights, and in any case they aren't smart enough to feel terror


Or any other emotion, for that matter, as their brains lack much in the way of the structures responsible for emotions and personality in mammals and other higher animals. That's why this statement from TFA made my laugh: "It warned against decapitating the snakes as it is considered inhumane, because if the brain is not immediately destroyed consciousness can remain for some time afterwards."

From what I've read most herpetologists consider ambush hunters like pythons to be barely conscious, and even then not in any sense like higher animals are. Certainly decapitating a python is not equivalent to the guillotine's Living Heads.
 
2013-01-06 05:34:34 PM
i527.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-06 05:35:38 PM

Stone Meadow: ParaHandy: / a snake that size views a dog as food that fights, and in any case they aren't smart enough to feel terror

Or any other emotion, for that matter, as their brains lack much in the way of the structures responsible for emotions and personality in mammals and other higher animals. That's why this statement from TFA made my laugh: "It warned against decapitating the snakes as it is considered inhumane, because if the brain is not immediately destroyed consciousness can remain for some time afterwards."

From what I've read most herpetologists consider ambush hunters like pythons to be barely conscious, and even then not in any sense like higher animals are. Certainly decapitating a python is not equivalent to the guillotine's Living Heads.


Snapping turtles will still snap at you quite some time after they've been decapitated. When I was a youngster me and the old man would catch them and make turtle soup

A decapitated head shaping at a stick you were poking it with will creep out any kid.
 
2013-01-06 05:36:16 PM

Frank N Stein: Stone Meadow: ParaHandy: / a snake that size views a dog as food that fights, and in any case they aren't smart enough to feel terror

Or any other emotion, for that matter, as their brains lack much in the way of the structures responsible for emotions and personality in mammals and other higher animals. That's why this statement from TFA made my laugh: "It warned against decapitating the snakes as it is considered inhumane, because if the brain is not immediately destroyed consciousness can remain for some time afterwards."

From what I've read most herpetologists consider ambush hunters like pythons to be barely conscious, and even then not in any sense like higher animals are. Certainly decapitating a python is not equivalent to the guillotine's Living Heads.

Snapping turtles will still snap at you quite some time after they've been decapitated. When I was a youngster me and the old man would catch them and make turtle soup

A decapitated head shaping at a stick you were poking it with will creep out any kid.


Snapping, damn auto correct.
 
2013-01-06 05:36:28 PM

Aces and Eights: This actually sounds like a big ol' hoot to me. Wouldn't actually do it for love nor money, but I'll bet the participants have the time of their lives.


I'd sign up just to print business cards that listed my occupation as "Python Hunter".
 
2013-01-06 05:38:01 PM
media.midwayusa.com

/would prefer a 12 gauge
 
2013-01-06 05:41:11 PM
I really, really, really hope that the pythons manage to achieve a 1-to-1 kill ration, but I will be happy if they manage to take down just a single hunter.

/Nothing against hunting or hunters, I am a hunter myself
//Sometimes I just like to root for the animals
 
2013-01-06 05:42:58 PM

TaxiDriver: "Mazzotti said the idea came from the office of Gov. Rick Scott, who he said wanted a "market-force" approach to the python problem.:

That explains it.


That was my initial thoughts too. But then I started thinking, how much land management taxed dollars would have to be diverted to hire 400 (or more) trained hunters to go out and kill snakes and collect the same information (location, time, date, water depth, etc...)?

Also, the article stated that hunters were coming in from 17 different states. I suspect that they will rent campsites or hotel rooms, purchase meals, purchase ammo, rent boats and possibly hire guides. At the end of the day they may even purchase a beer or two.

It turns an expense into revenue generation for the state, and all the information gathered will be used to give resource officers a snap shot on the python snake population. All for the low price of two bountys totaling $2500.

Not to shabby!
/Gov. Scott, you and your "market-force" approach win this round, but don't get me started on private prisons!
 
2013-01-06 05:43:24 PM

skinink: "Participants do not need hunting licenses, unless they're under 18, or have prior experience with snakes. The only required training can be done online. Given those slender requirements, some have questioned the wisdom of encouraging amateurs with firearms, particularly non-hunters, to take on pythons in the wild."
I see it as a win-win situation. We wind up culling both pythons AND gun-loving Floridians and others.


I could not have said it better myself. Kudos!
 
2013-01-06 05:43:33 PM

Thunderbox: By all means, keep destroying the balance of nature, until there's no nature left.


The snakes are destroying the balance of nature, because they are an invasive species. This is an attempt to correct the problem. Look at the reasons behind an action before making stupid tree-hugger comments.
 
2013-01-06 05:45:16 PM

puppetmaster745: ParaHandy: As you may infer from the careful wording, I am British and thus opposed to dog pack hunting of foxes, due to the foxes' suffering. And also to raising animals for food and treating them inhumanely.

/ free range organically raised animals taste better too
// everybody wins

sooooo, these snakes should be extra tasty?


As carnivores, they will likely be a bit gamey. Snake meat is pretty healthy, and hopefully most of them will be used rather than tossed. If you don't care for the flavour, it would make good slow smoked BBQ, or at worst feed to an overweight household pet.
 
2013-01-06 05:48:22 PM
If I manage to retire early with a bit of cash, I plan to move back to Eastern Scotland and open an authentic rural Texas barbecue pit, using organically raised Scottish meats (the best Texas beef cattle are descended from the Angus line) so I can take the best thing about Texas home with me and share it widely.
 
2013-01-06 05:50:51 PM

puppetmaster745: jso2897: flak attack: Good. This needed to happen. The python population in Florida has exploded lately.

It's a good idea - but 400 people seems like an awful lot, especially with no training or qualification required - not even a hunting license. That's an awful lot of amateurs to be roaming around the 'glades, blazing away at whatever they take to be a python.

The Googles says the everglades is 734 sq miles. Most shots will be at the ground at short range. There shouldn't be many problems.


Well, I hope not. Still, as you point out - the 'glades are a big, godforsaken place - and 400 untrained individuals venturing into them, with or without guns, carries some risks with it. On the other hand, I don't actually care too much, and nobody is being forced or enticed to do it.
 
2013-01-06 05:53:43 PM

doralives: What do these things taste like, anyway?


Mercury.
 
2013-01-06 06:13:45 PM
Am I the only one picturing that scene from 'Jaws' when all the tons of amateur shark hunters ahow up and are basically smashing their boats into each other.....
 
2013-01-06 06:19:30 PM

Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: Stone Meadow: ParaHandy: / a snake that size views a dog as food that fights, and in any case they aren't smart enough to feel terror

Or any other emotion, for that matter, as their brains lack much in the way of the structures responsible for emotions and personality in mammals and other higher animals. That's why this statement from TFA made my laugh: "It warned against decapitating the snakes as it is considered inhumane, because if the brain is not immediately destroyed consciousness can remain for some time afterwards."

From what I've read most herpetologists consider ambush hunters like pythons to be barely conscious, and even then not in any sense like higher animals are. Certainly decapitating a python is not equivalent to the guillotine's Living Heads.

Snapping turtles will still snap at you quite some time after they've been decapitated. When I was a youngster me and the old man would catch them and make turtle soup

A decapitated head shaping at a stick you were poking it with will creep out any kid.

Snapping, damn auto correct.


IIRC in the early 1980s a guy on vacation somwhere in the far east was swimming nude when a snapping turtle bit off his you know what .... ouch! Apparently he had the (ahem) balls to chase it and try to retreive his member, but he could not catch the turtle and it ended up eating it.

/ in this day and age he'd have been an internet hit
// as it is, he was the Reuter's wire service "amusing anecdote of the day"
/// poor pastard, totaly not CSB
 
2013-01-06 06:20:39 PM

doralives: What do these things taste like, anyway?


Chicken
 
2013-01-06 06:25:47 PM

Frank N Stein: Stone Meadow: ParaHandy: / a snake that size views a dog as food that fights, and in any case they aren't smart enough to feel terror

Or any other emotion, for that matter, as their brains lack much in the way of the structures responsible for emotions and personality in mammals and other higher animals. That's why this statement from TFA made my laugh: "It warned against decapitating the snakes as it is considered inhumane, because if the brain is not immediately destroyed consciousness can remain for some time afterwards."

From what I've read most herpetologists consider ambush hunters like pythons to be barely conscious, and even then not in any sense like higher animals are. Certainly decapitating a python is not equivalent to the guillotine's Living Heads.

Snapping turtles will still snap at you quite some time after they've been decapitated. When I was a youngster me and the old man would catch them and make turtle soup

A decapitated head shaping at a stick you were poking it with will creep out any kid.


The first time I cleaned a catfish (in the 70's), my father and I nailed the fish to a board through the head, used pliers to tear off the skin, and made filets from the flesh. I was astounded that the head (still nailed to the board) was still gasping for air when we took the nail out an hour later.

My father explained to me that "snakes and catfish don't die until the sun goes down"
 
2013-01-06 06:25:57 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-01-06 06:31:34 PM

Thunderbox: By all means, keep destroying the balance of nature, until there's no nature left.


Stupid comment.
1) Burmese pythons are not native to the Everglades
2) Burmese pythons are currently destroying the eco-system; one example is that the white tail deer population is
down 90%(!!!!) due to the pythons eating them. Many other species are experiencing similar declines.
3) Burmese pythons have no natural predators in the Everglades so bring on the harvesting
4) Next time RTFA, ya ignorant tree-hugger.
 
2013-01-06 06:35:48 PM
"Newbolt, 27, an experienced hunter of hog and deer, is looking forward to the chance to go after an unusual species with his .22 caliber rifle."

I'd use a 12 gauge shotgun myself, but it is Florida.
 
2013-01-06 06:40:12 PM

jso2897: puppetmaster745: jso2897: flak attack: Good. This needed to happen. The python population in Florida has exploded lately.

It's a good idea - but 400 people seems like an awful lot, especially with no training or qualification required - not even a hunting license. That's an awful lot of amateurs to be roaming around the 'glades, blazing away at whatever they take to be a python.

The Googles says the everglades is 734 sq miles. Most shots will be at the ground at short range. There shouldn't be many problems.

Well, I hope not. Still, as you point out - the 'glades are a big, godforsaken place - and 400 untrained individuals venturing into them, with or without guns, carries some risks with it. On the other hand, I don't actually care too much, and nobody is being forced or enticed to do it.


I was addressing what seemed to be your primary concern, people "blazing away". It's not exactly confined quarters, but yeah, hopefully those who venture out are prepared.
 
2013-01-06 06:40:53 PM
There are way too many pythons already out there. This hunting season is too little, too late.
 
2013-01-06 06:45:58 PM

puppetmaster745: [media.midwayusa.com image 850x637]

/would prefer a 12 gauge


With the size of some of them you'd better to go to 10.
 
2013-01-06 06:53:44 PM
This tears at me, because it's horrible for the Everglades that the snakes are there, but it's horrible that because of some irresponsible PEOPLE, we have to kill the snakes. I know there isn't really a better solution, because trapping them and returning them to their native habitat would be prohibitively expensive. It breaks my heart that these beautiful snakes have to die, but I support any measures to protect the Everglades.

BTW, how long before the python skin products come up on Ebay? Seems like that much python skin flooding the market will drive the price down to Ebay.
 
2013-01-06 06:55:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-06 06:57:19 PM
Jesus. The staff writers at SyFy just got hard.
 
2013-01-06 07:06:05 PM

douchebag/hater: Thunderbox: By all means, keep destroying the balance of nature, until there's no nature left.

Stupid comment.
1) Burmese pythons are not native to the Everglades
2) Burmese pythons are currently destroying the eco-system; one example is that the white tail deer population is
down 90%(!!!!) due to the pythons eating them. Many other species are experiencing similar declines.
3) Burmese pythons have no natural predators in the Everglades so bring on the harvesting
4) Next time RTFA, ya ignorant tree-hugger.


www.commonwealthfoundation.org
 
2013-01-06 07:07:16 PM

douchebag/hater: Thunderbox: By all means, keep destroying the balance of nature, until there's no nature left.

Stupid comment.
1) Burmese pythons are not native to the Everglades
2) Burmese pythons are currently destroying the eco-system; one example is that the white tail deer population is down 90%(!!!!) due to the pythons eating them. Many other species are experiencing similar declines.
3) Burmese pythons have no natural predators in the Everglades so bring on the harvesting
4) Next time RTFA, ya ignorant tree-hugger.


Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing that part. And the "no natural predators" thing, everything that eats eggs and young snakes eats the pythons' eggs and young as well, and alligators munch on the adults.
 
2013-01-06 07:18:21 PM

douchebag/hater: Thunderbox: By all means, keep destroying the balance of nature, until there's no nature left.

Stupid comment.
1) Burmese pythons are not native to the Everglades
2) Burmese pythons are currently destroying the eco-system; one example is that the white tail deer population is
down 90%(!!!!) due to the pythons eating them. Many other species are experiencing similar declines.
3) Burmese pythons have no natural predators in the Everglades so bring on the harvesting
4) Next time RTFA, ya ignorant tree-hugger.


This. In addition any 'collateral' damage will most likely me minor compared to the damage that the Python's would have done.

Is trapping not an option? Can't a trap be designed to catch Python's over a certain size, to minimize killing native snakes. The bigger snakes would be the ones taking down big game and having the most offspring. It's not a permanent fix but may help to at least control the population.
 
2013-01-06 07:25:29 PM
Pythons, nutria, and feral hogs are invasive species, which is why they are killed/captured on site.
 
2013-01-06 07:30:57 PM
Good PR for the next presidential run.

cdn.static.ovimg.com
 
2013-01-06 07:35:40 PM

bmr68: Pythons, nutria, and feral hogs are invasive species, which is why they are killed/captured on site>.


And whenever we see them, too! :^)
 
2013-01-06 07:35:49 PM

ParaHandy: As you may infer from the careful wording, I am British and thus opposed to dog pack hunting of foxes, due to the foxes' suffering. And also to raising animals for food and treating them inhumanely.

/ free range organically raised animals taste better too
// everybody wins


You are a daft wanker
 
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