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2013-01-06 11:44:10 AM
Derp much?
 
2013-01-06 12:14:10 PM
Having lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections, Republicans now face a country that is increasingly younger, multiethnic and skeptical of Republican positions on some social issues. The party's deficit-cutting agenda relies heavily on reducing taxes for the wealthy, which irks middle-class voters, and cutting spending on government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, that are popular with many voters.

ye gods, where do I start?  the GOP is wrong on just about every major issue there is in this country: budget, national defense, copyright law, technology issues, gay marriage, abortion, wall street bailouts, tax policy, health care....it's actually quite an achievement.  to be wrong on so many issues and remain consistent about it even at the state level is an amazing feat of social engineering.
 
2013-01-06 12:28:19 PM
Doing wrong? Inhaling. The GOP should stop inhaling. Mr. Obama is in favor of inhaling.
 
2013-01-06 01:20:14 PM
The party's deficit-cutting agenda relies heavily on reducing taxes for the wealthy...

GOP, the party of stupid.
 
2013-01-06 02:01:41 PM

clancifer: The party's deficit-cutting agenda relies heavily on reducing taxes for the wealthy...

GOP, the party of stupid.


and if you question why GOP math doesn't actually work out very well, they vomit blood and call you a 'librul'.
 
2013-01-06 02:51:44 PM
FTFA:  "The party, with all its problems - and I'm not disputing them - has a really large and interesting crop of new faces," he said. "Ultimately, parties tend to be defined by their most visible personalities."

And those personalities are defined by their policies.  And as long as you view it as a popularity contest and not a contest of ideas, you'll lose.
 
2013-01-06 03:17:04 PM

unyon: FTFA:  "The party, with all its problems - and I'm not disputing them - has a really large and interesting crop of new faces," he said. "Ultimately, parties tend to be defined by their most visible personalities."

And those personalities are defined by their policies.  And as long as you view it as a popularity contest and not a contest of ideas, you'll lose.


I don't know that the GOP can pull this back from the brink.  look, i'm not saying that there isn't a theoretical means for them to wake up, fix their problems and become a viable alternative to the Democrats.  But...lets face it.  the GOP as a whole STILL can't admit that they did anything wrong.  look how many comments and articles there are out there that claim Obama won because he cheated, or that the voters were stupid, fat, lazy immoral bastards...or the GOP blames technology, fact checking, the weather.  they're blaming anything/everything other than the GOP itself.  if they can't confront their flaws they can't fix them, and I don't see the Republicans having a 'come to jesus' moment with their flaws any time soon.
 
2013-01-06 03:26:05 PM
Republicans,
As someone from the outside looking in, I can tell you what you are doing wrong. There are two words you need to learn: "moderation" and "compromise". Your base of old, rich, white men is literally dying off. Instead of embracing the next generation of voters, you tell them they're stupid, lazy, poor and evil. You lamblast women, minorities, homosexuals, anyone who isn't Christian and anyone who is not in the 1%. Those groups I just mentioned, they can vote and they won't vote for a group that hates them. Until you moderate your position, you will continue to get spanked in election after election.

Get the Tea Party out of the Republican Party, they're sinking the ship. They are obstructionist and believe "compromise" is a evil word  One thing about politics is that you know won't get everything you want, but to get enough so you can live with it. That is compromise.

Don't blame the Democrats that you lose time and time again. Blame yourselves.

Signed,
An irritated voter
 
2013-01-06 03:29:38 PM

Weaver95: I don't know that the GOP can pull this back from the brink.


Maybe if a major figure in the GOP gets some saner positions and throws his weight behind them. Say, Chris Christie....
 
2013-01-06 03:30:46 PM
Maybe that cunning plan to pander to the derpiest Americans wasn't too cunning after all.
 
2013-01-06 03:52:05 PM
You aren't derping hard enough! Double and triple down!
 
2013-01-06 03:59:28 PM
Let's see, you gerrymandered yourself into a situation where only the derpiest in your party would have any power and now you're screwed because the nation as a whole isn't as derpy as they are in your back water riding.
 
2013-01-06 04:00:10 PM

abb3w: Weaver95: I don't know that the GOP can pull this back from the brink.

Maybe if a major figure in the GOP gets some saner positions and throws his weight behind them. Say, Chris Christie....


yeah, but look what the GOP leadership did to New Jersey and New York.  one of the suggestions was that the Republicans dicked over those states JUST to get back at Christie.  with leadership like that it's going to be damn near impossible for the Republicans to clean up their act and fix their internal issues.
 
2013-01-06 04:00:49 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Derp much?


I just don't know what went wrong!
 
2013-01-06 04:07:28 PM

Weaver95: clancifer: The party's deficit-cutting agenda relies heavily on reducing taxes for the wealthy...

GOP, the party of stupid.

and if you question why GOP math doesn't actually work out very well, they vomit blood and call you a 'librul'.


1) I'm a 'librul' and I don't care who knows it.

2) I read earlier that you were working with the Obama campaign in 2012 to get out the vote.  So, I have to ask: if someone in 2004 told you that you would've been working to elect the Democratic presidential nominee in 2012, what would you have said?
 
2013-01-06 04:16:28 PM
I don't suppose "being farking morons" ever crossed their radar as a reason.
 
2013-01-06 04:19:59 PM
We spend twice what we take in. Everyone agrees we have to make big changes  But not 10% cuts because that would cripple everything. And not raise taxes because that would cripple everything. So all we can do is cut the taxes for the rich and hope that by taking in even less money, the budget will balance, deficit will go away,and everything will get better.

Maybe what you're doing wrong is promoting people who think as illogically as the above.
 
2013-01-06 04:22:18 PM

RadiomanATL: I don't suppose "being farking morons" ever crossed their radar as a reason.


No.  As the party of personal responsibility, Republicans believe that anything that goes wrong is somebody else's fault.
 
2013-01-06 04:23:29 PM
Well, when literally everything you do, believe, and stand for can be summed up as "virtually indistinguishable from the Dark Lord Sauron, Great Cthulhu, or straight up Satan"

I'm not saying the GOP is the source of evil in the universe or anything, but yeah, they are.
 
2013-01-06 04:24:08 PM

dustman81: Republicans,
As someone from the outside looking in, I can tell you what you are doing wrong. There are two words you need to learn: "moderation" and "compromise". Your base of old, rich, white men is literally dying off. Instead of embracing the next generation of voters, you tell them they're stupid, lazy, poor and evil. You lamblast women, minorities, homosexuals, anyone who isn't Christian and anyone who is not in the 1%. Those groups I just mentioned, they can vote and they won't vote for a group that hates them. Until you moderate your position, you will continue to get spanked in election after election.

Get the Tea Party out of the Republican Party, they're sinking the ship. They are obstructionist and believe "compromise" is a evil word  One thing about politics is that you know won't get everything you want, but to get enough so you can live with it. That is compromise.

Don't blame the Democrats that you lose time and time again. Blame yourselves.

Signed,
An irritated voter


I approve of this post.
 
2013-01-06 04:24:22 PM
"MORE DERP FOR THE FIRES. MORE!"
 
2013-01-06 04:25:31 PM
FTA: "Walking around and pretending it doesn't exist just means you're going to become irrelevant," Mr. Gingrich said in an interview.

If anyone has the right to say that, it's Newt. And, he's correct. But, that's not the only issue.

I honestly believe Weaver95's right, in that Republicans deliberately screwed over the hapless citizens of New York and New Jersey just to retaliate against a perceived slight by Gov. Christie. That's what our Congress has become - we don't have "statemen", we have morons who hand out flyers making fun of incoming members of an opposition party, while screwing over the very people who voted for them just so they can claim a bizarre revenge against a governor who spoke the truth.

Republicans can't wash their hands and ignore the extremist members of their own party, because they spent the last two terms deliberately courting them. When the predictable chaos showed up, the moderate members of the Republican Party had the gall to be surprised that they can't get business done. The GOP's surprised that they can't control their monster? Really? Tough.

I look forward to knowing that the folks in New York and New Jersey will remember that, in their time of need, the Republicans deliberately ignored them, and vote accordingly in 2014.
 
2013-01-06 04:26:43 PM
eraser8:
2) I read earlier that you were working with the Obama campaign in 2012 to get out the vote.  So, I have to ask: if someone in 2004 told you that you would've been working to elect the Democratic presidential nominee in 2012, what would you have said?

I wouldn't have believed them.  Then again...I didn't believe the GOP would go so insane so quickly.  the more they talked the less sense they made.  the evangelical factions controlling the GOP made the gotdamn libertarians look sane!  WTF man...
 
2013-01-06 04:26:54 PM

Weaver95: Having lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections, Republicans now face a country that is increasingly younger, multiethnic and skeptical of Republican positions on some social issues. The party's deficit-cutting agenda relies heavily on reducing taxes for the wealthy, which irks middle-class voters, and cutting spending on government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, that are popular with many voters.

ye gods, where do I start?  the GOP is wrong on just about every major issue there is in this country: budget, national defense, copyright law, technology issues, gay marriage, abortion, wall street bailouts, tax policy, health care....it's actually quite an achievement.  to be wrong on so many issues and remain consistent about it even at the state level is an amazing feat of social engineering.


Nonono, the GOP is never wrong. Reality and common decency are wrong! Clearly the GOP just needs even better propaganda and lies.
 
2013-01-06 04:27:09 PM
So when the Republicans win big again, and sooner or later they will just like they did in 2010, you're going to sit around going "Clearly our ideas are wrong, we must change them"
 
2013-01-06 04:29:33 PM
we see the same denial of reality among our home grown GOP types here on fark - the Republicans aren't wrong, it's everyone/everything else that's f*cked up.  And if you start talking about mistakes the Republicans have made/continue to make generally there's an almost immediate attempt to change the subject back to the Democrats.

its like the Republicans can't bear to focus on their own internal issues.
 
2013-01-06 04:30:10 PM
Obviously not conservative enough.

Time to double down!
 
2013-01-06 04:30:15 PM

clancifer: The party's deficit-cutting agenda relies heavily on reducing taxes for the wealthy...

GOP, the party of stupid.


Wha'dya mean, the party of supid? It worked so well under Bush43, don'tcha remember? All those years from 2001 - 2008 when we had low taxes for everyone and ran HUGE budget surpluses.

Ahh, the good ole days!
 
2013-01-06 04:30:35 PM

dustman81: Republicans,
As someone from the outside looking in, I can tell you what you are doing wrong. There are two words you need to learn: "moderation" and "compromise". Your base of old, rich, white men is literally dying off. Instead of embracing the next generation of voters, you tell them they're stupid, lazy, poor and evil. You lamblast women, minorities, homosexuals, anyone who isn't Christian and anyone who is not in the 1%. Those groups I just mentioned, they can vote and they won't vote for a group that hates them. Until you moderate your position, you will continue to get spanked in election after election.

Get the Tea Party out of the Republican Party, they're sinking the ship. They are obstructionist and believe "compromise" is a evil word  One thing about politics is that you know won't get everything you want, but to get enough so you can live with it. That is compromise.

Don't blame the Democrats that you lose time and time again. Blame yourselves.

Signed,
An irritated voter


It's too late for that. Too many folks remember that the GOP used the teabaggers for muscle - fed them, stoked their extremism, provided funding for even the craziest of them, and then thought they were geniuses for unleashing them on the Democrats, only to discover the teabaggers really didn't care who they attacked as long as they got their way.

The TEA Party has a foothold in Congress now, and they're not going to relinquish it easily. The Republicans can't get what they want done before the next generation is eligible to vote (that's the clock that's ticking) without the teabaggers. The Democrats are pressing, and pressing hard, for a progressive America, and the current two generations are backing them fairly well. It's an uneasy partnership between the GOP and the teabaggers, and they're stuck with it until one or the other dies out due to attrition. The future, whether they like it or not, is coming, and it's not a Republican future.

Adapt or die.
 
2013-01-06 04:31:21 PM

randomjsa: So when the Republicans win big again, and sooner or later they will just like they did in 2010, you're going to sit around going "Clearly our ideas are wrong, we must change them"


its waaaaaay early yet to say who's going to win in 2016.  hell, at this point I can't even say what's going to happen in 2014.  what I *do* know is that if the Republicans don't stop acting like idiots they'll lose the mid term elections and then set themselves up for a massive loss come the next presidential election cycle.
 
2013-01-06 04:32:11 PM

Weaver95: ye gods, where do I start?  the GOP is wrong on just about every major issue there is in this country: budget, national defense, copyright law, technology issues, gay marriage, abortion, wall street bailouts, tax policy, health care....it's actually quite an achievement.  to be wrong on so many issues and remain consistent about it even at the state level is an amazing feat of social engineering.


Here we demonstrate the mechanism of faith-based politics ... or pretty much anything else.

Facts don't matter. Reality is the work of Satan. What matters is the avidity of your faith and your willingness to sacrifice all to its apotheosis.
 
2013-01-06 04:34:01 PM
G.O.P. Begins Soul-Searching After Tax Vote

I'm calling shenanigans on the headline.
First, I question the supposition that the GOP has a soul.
Second, even if the GOP has a soul I have seen zero evidence of meaningful introspection on the part of the GOP.

It is clear to me that they are losing because they have bad ideas that have alienated the majority of American voters.
This will continue to be the case as long as they embrace a radical right-wing agenda. I don't think they are even "conservative" anymore, they're extremists.
 
2013-01-06 04:35:27 PM
There are stupid people in the GOP, but that doesn't mean they're all stupid.

The tacticians can see as clearly as we can that they can't win with the Tea Party and the Religious Right determining the agenda and the candidates.

So they will figure out a way to marginalize those factions, probably by running more centrist candidates both in primaries, and if necessary, as Independents.

May take more than just 2014 election cycle to bring them to heel, but it will happen.
 
2013-01-06 04:36:41 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Kick out the social right. Embrace fiscal restraint for real. Accept compromise.
 
2013-01-06 04:37:34 PM
Have stricter purity tests. The answer is right in front of your face GOP. You are not conservative enough. It's that simple.
 
2013-01-06 04:38:09 PM

dionysusaur: Facts don't matter. Reality is the work of Satan. What matters is the avidity of your faith and your willingness to sacrifice all to its apotheosis.


Holy crap, the GOP are the Thalmor! And hating Lorkhan for causing reality to exist!

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW.
 
2013-01-06 04:38:34 PM

red5ish: G.O.P. Begins Soul-Searching After Tax Vote

I'm calling shenanigans on the headline.
First, I question the supposition that the GOP has a soul.
Second, even if the GOP has a soul I have seen zero evidence of meaningful introspection on the part of the GOP.

It is clear to me that they are losing because they have bad ideas that have alienated the majority of American voters.
This will continue to be the case as long as they embrace a radical right-wing agenda. I don't think they are even "conservative" anymore, they're extremists.


No, silly, they're not searching for their own souls. They're harvesting the souls of innocent victims for Mammon, in order to appease his wrath. Now read the headline again, and it makes sense!
 
2013-01-06 04:38:40 PM
Other leaders have urgently ordered top-to-bottom reviews to determine how the party lost touch with the most important and fastest-growing voting blocs, including women and Hispanics, and how it can win them over by the 2014 midterm elections.

Gosh it is a puzzler.
 
2013-01-06 04:38:49 PM

bhcompy: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x352]

Kick out the social right. Embrace fiscal restraint for real. Accept compromise.


Nah, they gotta blow on the cartridge first, then stick it in and out a couple of times.
 
2013-01-06 04:39:09 PM
"Republicans will get their mojo back when they define themselves as the party of economic growth and upward mobility," said Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana

Yes....define yourselves as that. So much easier than actually working to promote what you say you believe in.
 
2013-01-06 04:39:24 PM
as someone who has identified as a member of the GOP for a while, what it has become has left me without a party. The GOP will not survive another 10 years if they keep up the path they are on. How to fix it?

1.you want small government, that means all of government. not just social programs.
2.you want freedom, that means all freedom. gay marriage, abortion, not the governments place to say.
3.catch up to the social standards of this century.

Too many GOP "leaders" spend their time complaining about things that should no longer be relevant in modern day politics. I hate visiting my parents due to the fact that as die hard republicans, they fail to understand how i can say im a republican when i dont care if someone can get an abortion, or if gays can marry. Fark, i almost got disowned being in the military and not being upset about the repeal of DADT. And that is a personal example of the problem. The powerbase and spokespeople of the GOP have the same views as my parents. The day the GOP gets back to the party belief of small government, low taxation, and most of all LIMITED GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE, and realizes they are fighting battles now for MORE government interference into personal life, that will be the day that the GOP actually can be respected again.

/not gonna happen
 
2013-01-06 04:39:35 PM
Double down on the crazy, ya bastards. Clearly, you're not conservative enough. I mean, geez, Victoria Jackson can't stop crying because you're nowhere near conservative enough. She. Can't. Stop. Crying.
 
2013-01-06 04:40:50 PM
Nothing. Stay the course because you can feel in your gut that it's the right way.
 
2013-01-06 04:41:40 PM
Oh good, we're giving Republicans advice again.

1. Find someone to "better articulate conservative values." Don't change a single thing about your policies. The problem is obviously that no one was able to hear your side of the argument during the last election. Which brings me to point number 2.

2. BLAME THE MEDIA. Every chance you get. It makes you look strong. You do not fail. Only the media and the voters fail.
 
2013-01-06 04:43:24 PM

MooseUpNorth: Double down on the crazy, ya bastards. Clearly, you're not conservative enough. I mean, geez, Victoria Jackson can't stop crying because you're nowhere near conservative enough. She. Can't. Stop. Crying.


www.faithmouse.com
 
2013-01-06 04:44:06 PM

Weaver95: we see the same denial of reality among our home grown GOP types here on fark - the Republicans aren't wrong, it's everyone/everything else that's f*cked up.  And if you start talking about mistakes the Republicans have made/continue to make generally there's an almost immediate attempt to change the subject back to the Democrats.

its like the Republicans can't bear to focus on their own internal issues.


Bit of a threadjack, but I'll be quick...

Weaver, do you know who Tom Sullivan is?  For others: he's a radio guy from Sacramento who had a show that was on the two or three hours just before Limbaugh's show, when El Rushbo was merely a Sacramento blowhard.  He was a pal (maybe still is), and used to fill in for Rush sometimes.

Anyway, some friends of mine still in the Sacto area said he publicly announced leaving the Republican Party recently.  Apparently he didn't become a Dem or anything, but has had it with the GOP. He never seemed that derpy to me, just a standard economic conservative-type of Republican.  I never thought he fit well with the Rush folks.

Just another sign of the rats jumping off the Titanic, except that Sullivan never seemed like a rat...pretty decent as I recall (though I haven't listened to him in years)
 
2013-01-06 04:48:50 PM

Emposter: Weaver95: Having lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections, Republicans now face a country that is increasingly younger, multiethnic and skeptical of Republican positions on some social issues. The party's deficit-cutting agenda relies heavily on reducing taxes for the wealthy, which irks middle-class voters, and cutting spending on government programs, like Social Security and Medicare, that are popular with many voters.

ye gods, where do I start?  the GOP is wrong on just about every major issue there is in this country: budget, national defense, copyright law, technology issues, gay marriage, abortion, wall street bailouts, tax policy, health care....it's actually quite an achievement.  to be wrong on so many issues and remain consistent about it even at the state level is an amazing feat of social engineering.

Nonono, the GOP is never wrong. Reality and common decency are wrong! Clearly the GOP just needs even better propaganda and lies.


I think that pretty much sums it up. It is like on Facebook and the main difference between the postings by those who are liberal and those who are conservative. The majority of the "liberal" posts I see state something about about past liberal policies and their positive effects or proposed liberal policies and the possible positive effects.

Meanwhile the majority of the "conservative" posts I see are trying to denigrate or belittle those they consider "liberal"; and a lot are strawmen, red herrings, or outright lies.

This tends to be par for the course whether induviduals or right wing leaning media.

The reason why? Both of you nailed it. They are on the wrong side of everything. They are so wrong to the point that there is no way that they could actually sell the policies they endorse to tyhe general public on their merits. Thus rather than move to more acceptable policy positions, they try to hide them with propoganda villifying the other guy.
 
2013-01-06 04:49:09 PM

born_yesterday: No, silly, they're not searching for their own souls. They're harvesting the souls of innocent victims for Mammon, in order to appease his wrath. Now read the headline again, and it makes sense!


I find your argument strangely compelling.
 
2013-01-06 04:50:02 PM
Gosh I don't know what they're doing wrong. I really don't think they're doing anything wrong, unless you count pushing a bizarre social narrative that decomposes society into evil moochers and noble creators, speaks in constant coded language that appeals to racists, can't read anything other than the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights while at the same time being blind to the phrase "well-regulated militia," is waging a war on women, hates pornography and recreational sex and other fun stuff, thinking they have anything interesting to say about rape, the xenophobia, the constant attempts to push a particular religion on the rest of us, a general dislike of science and learning, and their constant warmongering, but other than that I can't really think of anything. I don't know, maybe the fact that they're never, ever right about anything?
 
2013-01-06 04:51:02 PM

hiwoman: Other leaders have urgently ordered top-to-bottom reviews to determine how the party lost touch with the most important and fastest-growing voting blocs, including women and Hispanics, and how it can win them over by the 2014 midterm elections.

Gosh it is a puzzler.


They're actually paying people money to figure out why women won't vote for them. What a great scamming opportunity.
 
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