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(Economist)   Tokyo's last street-level view of Mount Fuji is about to be obscured. I don't see what they did there   (economist.com) divider line 50
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2013-01-06 11:27:51 AM  
So what, the view's much better from on top of the mountain.
 
2013-01-06 11:28:52 AM  
Anyone have a google street view of that place? If you have the address in romaji, you can plug it into diddlefinger.com
 
2013-01-06 11:30:36 AM  
tokyogreenspace.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-06 11:33:42 AM  
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-06 11:35:27 AM  
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Excellent! How much for the "Mount Fuji Vista" penthouse condo?
 
2013-01-06 11:36:40 AM  

dervish16108: Anyone have a google street view of that place? If you have the address in romaji, you can plug it into diddlefinger.com


diddlefinger.com that sounds like a place one might find a load of white windowless vans... for sale.
 
2013-01-06 11:36:45 AM  
If the old-timers really miss the view, the Americans could come back in and create that view the way they did the first time.
 
2013-01-06 11:38:40 AM  
This quote from TFA surprised me:

Opponents appealed to the company, the city government and even UNESCO, which will decide by June if Mount Fuji merits the status of a World Heritage Site.

I really am surprised that Mt. Fuji isn't already a World Heritage Site, since it's probably one of the most iconic spots in Japan, like what the Grand Canyon is to America.
 
2013-01-06 11:39:07 AM  
In Tokyo they have (or used to have) 'sunshine laws' that kept you from constructing a building that blocked the sun from shining on your neighbor's home. I wonder if viewsheds fall under that law too?

/visited relative that lived in Japan
 
2013-01-06 11:39:24 AM  
It's obvious they need to build a few more streets.
 
2013-01-06 11:44:11 AM  
Given the haze and smog, I'm guessing the days you can actually see Mt. Fuji from Tokyo are negligible now anyway.
 
2013-01-06 11:45:45 AM  
They'll never see the monsters coming now.
 
2013-01-06 11:48:07 AM  
Why not put an observation deck on top of the building?
 
2013-01-06 11:51:40 AM  

stuffy: Why not put an observation deck on top of the building?


That's what this guy thinks too:

"I've seen the view of Mount Fuji from up there," said one man. "It's far better."

But both of you kinda miss the point of being able to see the mountain from the street. Maybe I don't want to have to wait in line, get in an elevator, and possibly pay to glance at the mountain, whereas before, I could stop on the street and see it just fine.

/it's inevitable, really. Nobody is going to forfeit millions of dollars in real estate deals to preserve the view of a mountain
//actually, if ANYONE would, it'd be the Japanese
///maybe the Swedes/Norwegians
 
2013-01-06 11:53:01 AM  

kd8our: dervish16108: Anyone have a google street view of that place? If you have the address in romaji, you can plug it into diddlefinger.com

diddlefinger.com that sounds like a place one might find a load of white windowless vans... for sale.


It's a Penn State fanblog.
 
2013-01-06 11:55:05 AM  
The view would be better from a gondola type ride. They should look into that.
 
2013-01-06 12:04:23 PM  
I saw an interesting piece on NHK the other day. Some Japanese artist painted a series of views of different vantage points of Mount Fuji. They were cheap when initially released. Now a print will sell for as much as a house (so they said). Damn NHK not giving exact figures again even though they do measure rainfall in millimeters. Really? Who farking cares about the millimeters of rain? I only care when we get multiple INCHES./

They didn't say it, but I got the impression the guy was like the Japanese version of Norman Rockwell.
 
2013-01-06 12:11:56 PM  

Happy Hours: I saw an interesting piece on NHK the other day. Some Japanese artist painted a series of views of different vantage points of Mount Fuji. They were cheap when initially released. Now a print will sell for as much as a house (so they said). Damn NHK not giving exact figures again even though they do measure rainfall in millimeters. Really? Who farking cares about the millimeters of rain? I only care when we get multiple INCHES./

They didn't say it, but I got the impression the guy was like the Japanese version of Norman Rockwell.


Hokusai is the artist. My fave is the Great Wave off of Kanegowa.

/he started with pornographic prints, srsly
 
2013-01-06 12:15:40 PM  

dervish16108: Anyone have a google street view of that place? If you have the address in romaji, you can plug it into diddlefinger.com


80% of that sentence would have made absolutely no sense 20 years ago.
 
2013-01-06 12:16:41 PM  

Happy Hours: I saw an interesting piece on NHK the other day. Some Japanese artist painted a series of views of different vantage points of Mount Fuji. They were cheap when initially released. Now a print will sell for as much as a house (so they said). Damn NHK not giving exact figures again even though they do measure rainfall in millimeters. Really? Who farking cares about the millimeters of rain? I only care when we get multiple INCHES./

They didn't say it, but I got the impression the guy was like the Japanese version of Norman Rockwell.


Nolman Lockwell?
 
2013-01-06 12:47:30 PM  
A few years ago, you could drive along the waterfront in Charlestown, MA, and see Old Ironsides across a parking lot. Now there are luxury condos in the way, where luxurious condo dwellers are sitting on the view. Your memory has just been sold.
 
2013-01-06 12:49:13 PM  
Tokyo's last street-level view of Mount Fuji is about to be has been obscured since 1997. I don't see what they did there
 
2013-01-06 12:52:06 PM  
If they tried this in Cape Town, there'd be riots.
 
2013-01-06 12:53:45 PM  
Mr Kaneko remembers trudging through this neighbourhood in March 1945, after American bombers had reduced it to ruins. Donald Richie, an American who chronicled post-war Japan, marvelled at the view of Fuji's perfect cone from all around the flattened city...

Things that make you go hmmmm.
 
2013-01-06 01:04:21 PM  

Ignorant McNugget: If they tried this in Cape Town, there'd be riots.


They can see Fuji from Cape Town?
 
2013-01-06 01:08:12 PM  

Ignorant McNugget: If they tried this in Cape Town, there'd be riots.


That's ridiculous.  You can't see Mount Fuji from Cape Town anyway.
 
2013-01-06 01:09:05 PM  

Surool: They'll never see the monsters coming now.


Was gonna say some kaiju will come fix this
 
2013-01-06 01:09:39 PM  

Surool: Ignorant McNugget: If they tried this in Cape Town, there'd be riots.

They can see Fuji from Cape Town?


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2013-01-06 01:11:17 PM  

jake_lex: This quote from TFA surprised me:

Opponents appealed to the company, the city government and even UNESCO, which will decide by June if Mount Fuji merits the status of a World Heritage Site.

I really am surprised that Mt. Fuji isn't already a World Heritage Site, since it's probably one of the most iconic spots in Japan, like what the Grand Canyon is to America.


More like Bronson Canyon based on number of times in film
 
2013-01-06 01:17:04 PM  

stuffy: Why not put an observation deck on top of the building?


That wouldn't be a "street-level" view, now would it?
 
2013-01-06 01:51:25 PM  
Does anyone know of you can see Fuji from Cape Town? I'm looking to build property there.
 
2013-01-06 01:57:47 PM  

grinding_journalist: stuffy: Why not put an observation deck on top of the building?

That's what this guy thinks too:

"I've seen the view of Mount Fuji from up there," said one man. "It's far better."

But both of you kinda miss the point of being able to see the mountain from the street. Maybe I don't want to have to wait in line, get in an elevator, and possibly pay to glance at the mountain, whereas before, I could stop on the street and see it just fine.

/it's inevitable, really. Nobody is going to forfeit millions of dollars in real estate deals to preserve the view of a mountain
//actually, if ANYONE would, it'd be the Japanese
///maybe the Swedes/Norwegians


Possibly pay? A ticket for the Sky Tree elevator costs about 30 USD. Nope. Not for me.

I've climbed Fuji though. It's pretty, if you aren't just looking at the tops of clouds. It's a miserable climb though. It's not just hiking. It's an excruciating, freezing death march over razor-sharp volcanic rock and you're never out of sight of a few hundred other people doing the same thing you're doing.

I invited a friend to go with me. "No, I've already done it." "So come with me again." "Nobody does it twice."
He was right.
 
2013-01-06 02:38:20 PM  

leevis: So what, the view's much better from on top of the mountain.


Only if you can see past the thousands of tourists climbing the mountain with you that day.
 
2013-01-06 02:42:55 PM  
When I read "street view" I thought of Google Earth, and was thinking they were going to remove the last of the street view images of the mountain. I was perplexed, but hey! Other cultures right?

/the article made no sense for the first several paragraphs...
 
2013-01-06 03:11:21 PM  

Koodz: grinding_journalist: stuffy: Why not put an observation deck on top of the building?

That's what this guy thinks too:

"I've seen the view of Mount Fuji from up there," said one man. "It's far better."

But both of you kinda miss the point of being able to see the mountain from the street. Maybe I don't want to have to wait in line, get in an elevator, and possibly pay to glance at the mountain, whereas before, I could stop on the street and see it just fine.

/it's inevitable, really. Nobody is going to forfeit millions of dollars in real estate deals to preserve the view of a mountain
//actually, if ANYONE would, it'd be the Japanese
///maybe the Swedes/Norwegians

Possibly pay? A ticket for the Sky Tree elevator costs about 30 USD. Nope. Not for me.

I've climbed Fuji though. It's pretty, if you aren't just looking at the tops of clouds. It's a miserable climb though. It's not just hiking. It's an excruciating, freezing death march over razor-sharp volcanic rock and you're never out of sight of a few hundred other people doing the same thing you're doing.

I invited a friend to go with me. "No, I've already done it." "So come with me again." "Nobody does it twice."
He was right.


There is a Japanese saying: Only a fool would not climb Mt. Fuji. Only a bigger fool would do it again.

I've climbed it once, and I have a foolish friend that does it every year. The 7 hour climb up was bad. The 5 hour climb down was horrible, though watching people sliding and falling in the rock and ash is kinda funny (until I slid and fell). The 3 hour bus ride (with Japanese-sized leg-room) back to Tokyo was miserable. The 1 hour train ride (standing) back home was excruciating. The bath when I finally got home was euphoric. I found black volcanic ash in bodily crevices for 3 days thereafter, and had to throw away the shoes I wore for the hike, as they were pretty much destroyed.

After a night of drinking sake and singing karaoke in Tokyo, watching the sun rise behind Mt. Fuji in the morning is pretty mind-blowing. It's sad you'll have to be a few stories in the air to enjoy that now.
 
2013-01-06 03:25:02 PM  

Mock26: leevis: So what, the view's much better from on top of the mountain.

Only if you can see past the thousands of tourists climbing the mountain with you that day.


I guess I was lucky. When I went up there weren't any tourists, just the other guys in my marine battallion who were all wishing they had decided not to make the climb. It was optional but we were young and stupid. I took my camcorder up there with me and it wouldn't work because of the condensation.
 
2013-01-06 04:10:37 PM  

kyuzokai: Koodz: grinding_journalist: stuffy: Why not put an observation deck on top of the building?

That's what this guy thinks too:

"I've seen the view of Mount Fuji from up there," said one man. "It's far better."

But both of you kinda miss the point of being able to see the mountain from the street. Maybe I don't want to have to wait in line, get in an elevator, and possibly pay to glance at the mountain, whereas before, I could stop on the street and see it just fine.

/it's inevitable, really. Nobody is going to forfeit millions of dollars in real estate deals to preserve the view of a mountain
//actually, if ANYONE would, it'd be the Japanese
///maybe the Swedes/Norwegians

Possibly pay? A ticket for the Sky Tree elevator costs about 30 USD. Nope. Not for me.

I've climbed Fuji though. It's pretty, if you aren't just looking at the tops of clouds. It's a miserable climb though. It's not just hiking. It's an excruciating, freezing death march over razor-sharp volcanic rock and you're never out of sight of a few hundred other people doing the same thing you're doing.

I invited a friend to go with me. "No, I've already done it." "So come with me again." "Nobody does it twice."
He was right.

There is a Japanese saying: Only a fool would not climb Mt. Fuji. Only a bigger fool would do it again.

I've climbed it once, and I have a foolish friend that does it every year. The 7 hour climb up was bad. The 5 hour climb down was horrible, though watching people sliding and falling in the rock and ash is kinda funny (until I slid and fell). The 3 hour bus ride (with Japanese-sized leg-room) back to Tokyo was miserable. The 1 hour train ride (standing) back home was excruciating. The bath when I finally got home was euphoric. I found black volcanic ash in bodily crevices for 3 days thereafter, and had to throw away the shoes I wore for the hike, as they were pretty much destroyed.

After a night of drinking sake and singing karaoke in Tokyo, watching the sun ...


I made my wife read your post. She could have written exactly the same thing minus falling. We did indeed waste two pairs of shoes on the trip (I have 34cm feet, so I couldn't find hiking boots in Japan). And yes, going down was horrible. I had a hell of a sunburn on my few exposed areas of skin, my legs felt like they were made of broken glass, and we didn't bring anything like enough water on the trip. I also carried my awesome Fuji hiking stick instead of using it to hike because I didn't want to get it dirty.

/For an extra challenge, we lived in Osaka, so it was over four hours home afterward.
 
2013-01-06 04:19:37 PM  

Ignorant McNugget: If they tried this in Cape Town, there'd be riots.


If they tried this in Hong Kong, there'd...
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Be no reaction whatsoever...

/if anything, it's Victoria Harbour that's in danger
 
2013-01-06 04:33:29 PM  

kyuzokai: After a night of drinking sake and singing karaoke in Tokyo, watching the sun rise behind Mt. Fuji in the morning is pretty mind-blowing. It's sad you'll have to be a few stories in the air to enjoy that now


Do you mean Nagoya? The sun doesn't rise over Fuji when in Tokyo.
 
2013-01-06 05:17:48 PM  
Godzirra in 3....2....1...
 
2013-01-06 05:42:33 PM  
Mt Fuji! It's a myth! I've been to Tokyo several times and never seen it: not from street level, not from the observation platform at the maritime museum, not from the top of the Tokyo Tower. I've even been right past it on the Shinkansen - but apparently it was on vacation that day?

It's just a story, like the Loch Ness Monster - designed to fleece the gullible.
 
2013-01-06 07:04:16 PM  

Vlad the Impala: Mt Fuji! It's a myth! I've been to Tokyo several times and never seen it: not from street level, not from the observation platform at the maritime museum, not from the top of the Tokyo Tower. I've even been right past it on the Shinkansen - but apparently it was on vacation that day?

It's just a story, like the Loch Ness Monster - designed to fleece the gullible.


You can see it from Yokota Air Base.

/Tokyo is a big city
 
2013-01-06 10:42:43 PM  
I worked at KEK in Ibaraki for a little bit. We'd used to go on top of our office building in the morning to check if we could see Fuji-san from all the way across Tokyo. Only on the clearest mornings we could see it, but on those days we could see all the mountains ringing the Kanto plain as well.

/They planted grass on the roof, it was great to hang out there.
 
2013-01-06 10:56:45 PM  
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2013-01-07 12:58:27 AM  

bakarocket: kyuzokai: After a night of drinking sake and singing karaoke in Tokyo, watching the sun rise behind Mt. Fuji in the morning is pretty mind-blowing. It's sad you'll have to be a few stories in the air to enjoy that now

Do you mean Nagoya? The sun doesn't rise over Fuji when in Tokyo.


Wow... I guess I really was THAT drunk. I'm confusing the sun setting behind Fuji that night with watching the sun come up and illuminate Fuji in the morning. Drinking a 1.8L carton of Hakutsuru will do that, I suppose.
 
2013-01-07 01:01:18 AM  

Vlad the Impala: Mt Fuji! It's a myth! I've been to Tokyo several times and never seen it: not from street level, not from the observation platform at the maritime museum, not from the top of the Tokyo Tower. I've even been right past it on the Shinkansen - but apparently it was on vacation that day?

It's just a story, like the Loch Ness Monster - designed to fleece the gullible.


Crazy! My dad says the same thing. He's been to Hakone (missed Fuji), took the Shinkansen to Osaka (missed Fuji), back to Hakone on another trip (missed Fuji), to the top of the Metropolitan Government Building in Shinjuku at dusk for prime Fuji-chance... twice! (and STILL missed Fuji). He is convinced it doesn't really exist, except in legend and artists depictions.
 
2013-01-07 02:09:42 AM  

Vlad the Impala: Mt Fuji! It's a myth! I've been to Tokyo several times and never seen it: not from street level, not from the observation platform at the maritime museum, not from the top of the Tokyo Tower. I've even been right past it on the Shinkansen - but apparently it was on vacation that day?

It's just a story, like the Loch Ness Monster - designed to fleece the gullible.


I didn't see Mt Rainier the first two times I was in Seattle, and I didn't see Mount Hood until I had lived around Portland for about a month.

grinding_journalist: /it's inevitable, really. Nobody is going to forfeit millions of dollars in real estate deals to preserve the view of a mountain
//actually, if ANYONE would, it'd be the Japanese
///maybe the Swedes/Norwegians


Portland has some of the strictest self-imposed building height limits in the US to preserve views of Mount Hood and Mount St Helens from strategic locations. People got pretty damn pissed when the Wells Fargo Center and Big Pink (aka the US Bancorp Tower) started obstructing views of the mountains from the West Hills and Washington Park, so now even in Downtown it's nearly impossible to get permits to build anything over 500' tall, and for most areas surrounding downtown the limits are 125 to 325 feet. They're almost entirely laid out to carefully frame, but not obscure, the mountains from the most accessible and scenic locations while still maximizing land use..

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It's probably worth it. For reference, the Wells Fargo Center is the tall white building on the right.
 
2013-01-07 03:35:26 AM  

leevis: Mock26: leevis: So what, the view's much better from on top of the mountain.

Only if you can see past the thousands of tourists climbing the mountain with you that day.

I guess I was lucky. When I went up there weren't any tourists, just the other guys in my marine battallion who were all wishing they had decided not to make the climb. It was optional but we were young and stupid. I took my camcorder up there with me and it wouldn't work because of the condensation.


It is only condescending to foreigners.
 
2013-01-07 02:53:01 PM  
davidphogan:
I didn't see Mt Rainier the first two times I was in Seattle,

Exactly!  That's how you know you were really here.
 
2013-01-09 04:34:27 PM  

leevis: Mock26: leevis: So what, the view's much better from on top of the mountain.

Only if you can see past the thousands of tourists climbing the mountain with you that day.

I guess I was lucky. When I went up there weren't any tourists, just the other guys in my marine battallion who were all wishing they had decided not to make the climb. It was optional but we were young and stupid. I took my camcorder up there with me and it wouldn't work because of the condensation.


I did the climb when I was 12 ('88). I was sore and tired as hell when I got to the top where it was snowing, but there was a clear view towards Tokyo Bay as the sun came up that made it worth it. Being a kid, I ran and mostly "skied" down the volcanic sands on the trail and was down in 2.5 hours, and yes, I destroyed my shoes (had to wait a hour for my father to catch up). The climb down was awesome fun.
 
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