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2013-01-06 01:13:05 PM  
Gifted Many Few:

If someone doesn't come to work, they should not be expected to keep the job. People like to use cancer as a way to get special treatment. It does not work that way. All cancer means is that your time on this earth may be shorter than you like. It does not give you rights and treatment that you would otherwise not get.

No treatment that you would otherwise not get? They outlawed chemo? Will that cut the demand for medical marijuana or increase it?

"Sorry, cancer isn't special. Go suffer in a dumpster."
 
2013-01-06 01:13:46 PM  
Chinchillazilla: It is certainly hard being a white male in America.

cig-mkr: And as the demographics change it will only get worse my friend. Paybacks for all the years of white discrimination will be a biatch.

The problem with that attitude is the way that, actually, nobody will getting paid back for something they did. They'll be dead by then.
 
2013-01-06 01:14:04 PM  

ZAZ: I'm not getting the racial angle in all of this.

The mayor is from the Dominican Republic. The complaint alleges reverse discrimination.


FTFY
 
2013-01-06 01:15:58 PM  
well, now that it's made the news the nazi employer will fold and everything will be fine. it's the ghey way this country functions now, screw people over unless the media makes a stink.
 
2013-01-06 01:16:16 PM  
heartless bastards. just give him unpaid leave and seriously what maintenance could a field in Kansas need this time of year?
 
2013-01-06 01:16:18 PM  
i've been fired from SIX different jobs for illness that resulted in my missing work for 3-6 days (three of those absences being hospitalizations). so i can empathize with the heartless bullshiat system. thanks america!
 
2013-01-06 01:16:25 PM  
"My great grandparents got treated like sh*t!"

"Well, so did mine. We're supposed to learn from and improve upon bad behavior and ignorant ways of life and goals."

"But you're WHITE!"

"Dear me, you're new here, aren't you?"
 
2013-01-06 01:16:54 PM  

ZAZ: This was patronage, the mayor's favorite pastime, not racial discrimination....


Ummmm..... traditionally patronage has most often been handed out to people in one's own ethnic group. If the mayor was white and handed out city jobs to only whites, the howls of "racism!" would be heard from there to Alaska. sorry, it has to work both ways. racism? Yes, yes indeed.
 
2013-01-06 01:20:16 PM  
this is an inappropriate use of the 'race card'. they should have used the 'asshole employer' card. proper selection of cards is key to playing Magic the Gheyathering(tm), Modern America Version.
 
2013-01-06 01:20:35 PM  

KrispyKritter: last employer, a Japanese based film company, their personnel guy would find reason to fire anyone who developed an illness that kept them from being a full bore workslave. what a hunchback piece of crap he was. saw a lot of long time loyal employees get screwed when they needed their benefits the most.


Konica? Did a bit of temp work for them once, and their POV was that people should be honored to work for them, at whatever they felt like paying. Yes, they were total assholes.
 
2013-01-06 01:23:25 PM  
Gosh, unions sure do suck don't they?
I'm willing to bet there's more than meets the eye here though to be honest, I've seen this crap myself.


Upton Sinclair weeps quietly in his grave.
 
2013-01-06 01:23:59 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: i've been fired from SIX different jobs for illness that resulted in my missing work for 3-6 days (three of those absences being hospitalizations). so i can empathize with the heartless bullshiat system. thanks america!


I was doing a temp gig installing data and A/V infrastructure in four new school buildings. assigned by a technical recruiter.

At no point were any of my technical skills used as they essentially used most of the people from the tech agency as pack mules and day laborers in order to meet the contract stipulation that the work be done by "qualified technical personnel".

One guy on the crew took four days off to go and test and qualify for his new job and that wasn't a problem.

I cracked a rib while on a ladder doing all the monkey work they handed me and came in anyway. IT started to hurt rather badly and I took half a day off. And got sacked for taking that half day off. Most middle management, IMHO, of any sort, are largely dime store jerkoffs whose only skill is to walk around like a cell block trustee barking at the wage slaves.
 
2013-01-06 01:26:03 PM  
I wonder if this will have an effect moral, productivity, retention and turnover.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-06 01:26:29 PM  
well, now that it's made the news the nazi employer will fold and everything will be fine.

Mayor Lantigua seems to be immune to bad press. He's got recall efforts against him, friends under indictment, a grand jury likely to indict him, state auditors going WTF? over his city's books, and police accusing him of killing people by cutbacks. He was leeching off his girlfriend's public benefits. His friends on the police force get paid leave instead of fired for misconduct. Go to eagletribune.com any day and there's a good chance he's in the news. Cancer widower is just another notch in his belt.
 
2013-01-06 01:26:58 PM  
To be fair, Lowell is a shiathole.
 
2013-01-06 01:26:59 PM  
Stopped reading after "reverse racial discrimination"

/is his lawyer WANTING to keep his client unemployed?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-06 01:27:56 PM  
Skarekrough: To be fair, Lowell is a shiathole.

This is about Lawrence, which makes Lowell look gentrified.
 
2013-01-06 01:27:56 PM  

Skarekrough: To be fair, Lowell is a shiathole.


Might not have happened in Andover.
 
2013-01-06 01:29:33 PM  

letrole: Chinchillazilla: It is certainly hard being a white male in America.

cig-mkr: And as the demographics change it will only get worse my friend. Paybacks for all the years of white discrimination will be a biatch.

The problem with that attitude is the way that, actually, nobody will getting paid back for something they did. They'll be dead by then.


Any one reading this now will be dead within the next seventy five years anyway, so like I say What Me Worry?
Hell, everyone on the earth now will be replaced within the next hundred years
 
2013-01-06 01:30:35 PM  

Marcintosh: Gosh, unions sure do suck don't they?
I'm willing to bet there's more than meets the eye here though to be honest, I've seen this crap myself.


Upton Sinclair weeps quietly in his grave.


.
Did you read the article. This was Mass. and he was a gov't employee. Odds are 99.9999999% that he was union.
 
2013-01-06 01:33:30 PM  
Eliot Loudermilk's leaving early today.
 
2013-01-06 01:35:07 PM  
The reverse discrimination angle my have to with the cities history of hiring Hispanic replacements (in the maintenance areas) when a none Hispanic person leaves. See nail places (korean) and parking garages (Somoli and Ethiopian)
 
2013-01-06 01:35:23 PM  
It's all temp gigs.

There are no benefits. There is no useful medical care. There is no "affordable coverage". There are no pensions within a day after retirement. There are no long range advantages. There is no loyalty and no respect. It's ALL plug and play labor. All of it.

And the thin slimy film that is the buffer between the people making millions and the wage monkeys bringing it in the door are the same toadying sh*tbags who, thousands of years ago, whipped their own tribesmen half to death in exchange for a few pieces of gold and an extra ration of food and a nifty hat that said "I'M IN CHARGE HERE". The story doesn't change. Just the trinkets and bread crusts used to distract us from noticing that it doesn't change.

The only way to kill a leviathan is to starve it. And as long as we're willing to have our time on this earth used as a disposable component in somebody else's quest for their second billion, it ain't gonna change.
 
2013-01-06 01:40:35 PM  

ZAZ: Skarekrough: To be fair, Lowell is a shiathole.

This is about Lawrence, which makes Lowell look gentrified.


Lowell makes Lawrence look like Newton.
 
2013-01-06 01:48:24 PM  

Marcintosh: Gosh, unions sure do suck don't they?
I'm willing to bet there's more than meets the eye here though to be honest, I've seen this crap myself.


Upton Sinclair weeps quietly in his grave.


Holy crap THEY BURIED HIM ALIVE.
 
2013-01-06 01:58:25 PM  
Mitt Romney strikes again.
 
2013-01-06 02:01:29 PM  

rdu_voyager: Very sad, but he didn't qualify for FMLA.

The fact his replacement was unqualified and of a different race doesn't negate the fact that he was ineligible to return to work under the FMLA.

The only way he'd have a case is if there are other people who were allowed to return to work under similar circumstances (ie, not FMLA eligible) and they were predominantly of one race (ie, Hispanic).


I agree, plus just from what little info was in the article I don't think this guy has a case.

I mean he'll probably win the public's hearts on it, cause even though they may have a legit legal reason to fire him, it was heartless and cruel considering the circumstances.
 
2013-01-06 02:01:31 PM  
7 years ago, I knew a guy who's father was on the way out. The guy worked as a car salesman & he was a darned good one (if there is such a thing...). As the guy's father was dying, the car dealership told the salesman to choose: either see his father before he dies or attend his funeral - he couldn't have the time off to do both.

He went to both & found a job elsewhere. With no regrets.

I'll never understand how any company feels it can kick their employees in the stones like this. At the same time, perhaps the mayor from the article should know what it's like to experience a loved one/himself dying/die from cancer. It ain't a day at Disneyland.
 
2013-01-06 02:04:37 PM  

Gifted Many Few: If someone doesn't come to work, they should not be expected to keep the job. People like to use cancer as a way to get special treatment. It does not work that way. All cancer means is that your time on this earth may be shorter than you like. It does not give you rights and treatment that you would otherwise not get.


That's not how life really works, no matter how hard you try to rationalize it.
 
2013-01-06 02:05:09 PM  

alessandro: This case doesn't seem to be one where the guy was playing the system. His wife will only die once.


You don't know that.
 
2013-01-06 02:08:21 PM  
How much does mowing the farking lawn pay in Mass.?
 
2013-01-06 02:10:01 PM  
While the dying wife angle works for a story, the real one is given short shrift in that piece:

In the meantime Tom's position as a laborer has been filled by Jose Santiago, a former state representative who is currently sitting in jail after he was arrested early Saturday for violating a restraining order.

WTF?
 
2013-01-06 02:11:41 PM  
Job or no job, he'll never regret his decision.
 
2013-01-06 02:32:31 PM  
I'm not sure I understand the problem. He took:
- All his vacation time
- All his sick time
- All his short term disability time - he was ineligible for FMLA

He was denied an extension, because he's not eligible, and told he had to either return to work or be dismissed. He chose not to return to work, and was therefore dismissed. I went through something similar about five years ago (different reasons, but same progression) and, after being given the same choice once I ran out of vacation, sick, and short term disability time, I also resigned. That's business.

I don't see "heartless" here - that's just business. He would've had more grounds for his lawsuit had they given him more time or special consideration, because employees must be treated equally - that's why there's an employee handbook and fairly rigid policies regarding HR. It sounds like DPW did the best they could given the situation of both his employment and his wife's care, and had to follow through with policy.

The reverse discrimination lawsuit is a bald cash grab, to somehow supplement his income now that he's single and unemployed. He'll have one heck of an uphill battle to somehow prove that he was fired to make room for an Hispanic employee with dubious qualifications.
 
2013-01-06 02:33:47 PM  

swahnhennessy: While the dying wife angle works for a story, the real one is given short shrift in that piece:

In the meantime Tom's position as a laborer has been filled by Jose Santiago, a former state representative who is currently sitting in jail after he was arrested early Saturday for violating a restraining order.

WTF?


If you put any given number of average schmoes into a situation where money and power flow, they will eventually find a way to corrupt the mechanics of that system to their financial advantage. Then it's just a matter of how many accomplices you can shoehorn into the grift before the jig is up. Nowadays, most people who are trying to get their foot in that door don't even pretend that that is not precisely what they came to do.
 
2013-01-06 02:35:17 PM  

alessandro: graeylin: Being on the other end of this stick sometimes with my company, while I feel for people going through their crisis, it isn't any easier on the company sometimes.

We have people here who make a living at taking time off. It's practically a guarantee that as soon as they have their required hours for a year on their paycheck, they will come in with a doctor's note

This case doesn't seem to be one where the guy was playing the system. His wife will only die once.

Since he was ultimately replaced by a guy who is now in jail, this lawsuit might be legitimate. At a minimum, he should be immediately reinstated since there is an opening.


and honestly, in this case, I don't disagree with your viewpoint. If the job is still there, by all means, look into bringing back a good employee. There's more to this case than hit the print here.
 
2013-01-06 02:35:31 PM  

FormlessOne: business.


There's lots of businesses and ways to do business. Structured activity doesn't inherently imply positive activity.
 
2013-01-06 02:37:19 PM  
www.stevescottsite.com

What good men of business might look like.
 
2013-01-06 02:43:39 PM  
I know what it is like to be unemployed, but do you really want to work for a "company" that has so little compassion?
 
2013-01-06 02:47:01 PM  

LisaNeedsBraces: 7 years ago, I knew a guy who's father was on the way out. The guy worked as a car salesman & he was a darned good one (if there is such a thing...). As the guy's father was dying, the car dealership told the salesman to choose: either see his father before he dies or attend his funeral - he couldn't have the time off to do both.

He went to both & found a job elsewhere. With no regrets.

I'll never understand how any company feels it can kick their employees in the stones like this. At the same time, perhaps the mayor from the article should know what it's like to experience a loved one/himself dying/die from cancer. It ain't a day at Disneyland.


That's easy, many companies/government depts. are managed by sociopaths....
 
2013-01-06 02:51:05 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: That's easy, many companies/government depts. are managed by sociopaths....


Ever get into one of those discussion with a meatball middle manager and they crack that wry smile of self satisfaction and say "Yeah, well I don't care about that.", like they've been practicing it in front of a mirror for months. I'll bet they don't do that at the job interview.
 
2013-01-06 02:51:49 PM  
You fail to show up for work for an extended period of time and they fire you.  Imagine that.

Next thing you know bosses are going to expect you to do something all day while you're getting paid.
 
2013-01-06 02:55:09 PM  

ReapTheChaos: You fail to show up for work for an extended period of time and they fire you.  Imagine that.

Next thing you know bosses are going to expect you to do something all day while you're getting paid.


Well, yeah. I mean, unless you're in management.
 
2013-01-06 03:00:32 PM  

ReapTheChaos: You fail to show up for work for an extended period of time and they fire you.  Imagine that.

Next thing you know bosses are going to expect you to do something all day while you're getting paid.


You have a heart of gold. Stay gold.
 
2013-01-06 03:03:57 PM  
Damn Unions!
 
2013-01-06 03:13:09 PM  
"Well, we got all the ducks in a row to make millions. Now we just have to hire people who know how to do this and make sure they do the work."

"I don't wanna f*ck with all that sh*t. Just hire a couple of goons and give them some tassley shoes and make them wear a suit and let them herd the monkeys."

"Don't you want to have your company be a well run and respe..."

"What I want is to knock this motherf*cker together for cheap, take in billions, gut it, foist it off on some broker who'll turn it into derivatives, sell the portfolio before it tanks and buy my mistress a new Lexus. I'll be in the Caymans. Don't call me unless this motherf*cker burns down."

This is the private sector success story of the week.

What the "public service sector" learned long ago is that their money lies in a steady stream of grift, graft, favors granted and an endless parade of disposable workers and bureaucrats. Their feeding tube is best served by their leviathan like girth and almost impossible to dismantle institutionalization.

Predators or leeches.

Either way, they're just gonna use people as spackling compound until cracks get to big to care about and then leave the ruins.

And if you're one of those people filling in the cracks, you are disposable. Because when you keep adding mouths to feed to a planet that is coming up with fewer ways to honestly create or administer wealth or even sustenance, you are a liability to the people whose only motive is to have more than the other guy.

And you know why all this keeps working?

Because for every self important dickwad who will happily step on some guy's face for a few bucks or to feel the tingle of a power boner, there's a thousand people with sore faces who will happily acquiesce to the notion that "that's just the way it is".
 
2013-01-06 03:14:58 PM  

Hale-Bopp: ReapTheChaos: You fail to show up for work for an extended period of time and they fire you.  Imagine that.

Next thing you know bosses are going to expect you to do something all day while you're getting paid.

You have a heart of gold. Stay gold.


I've got all the sympathy in the world for the guy, hell I would have done the same thing.  But I wouldn't expect my job to be waiting for me afterward.  What if she had held on another month or two?  Or three?  How long are they supposed to hold a persons job open?
 
2013-01-06 03:20:23 PM  
My best friend at work was fired for a similar situation. Her mother was in a Kansas City hospital dying, and she was stuck in Wichita because she was only on the job three months when her mom got sick. I said, "spend time with your mom," and basically said this job really is not worth it. She tried to stick it out but was eventually let go. That was a year ago, and while she found another job, she's not doing well financially. I worry.
 
2013-01-06 03:26:25 PM  

bunner: And you know why all this keeps working?

Because for every self important dickwad who will happily step on some guy's face for a few bucks or to feel the tingle of a power boner, there's a thousand people with sore faces who will happily acquiesce to the notion that "that's just the way it is".


Maybe it time for something like this to happen:

ms-brown.wikispaces.com

....but the Left in the USA is too compromised, weak, limp-wristed, and spineless to attempt anything like it today...

/ doesn't help that most people like me can still get 3 squares a day and have a roof over our heads
//....and the fact that I fear imprisonment and death...
 
2013-01-06 03:32:43 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: bunner: And you know why all this keeps working?

Because for every self important dickwad who will happily step on some guy's face for a few bucks or to feel the tingle of a power boner, there's a thousand people with sore faces who will happily acquiesce to the notion that "that's just the way it is".

Maybe it time for something like this to happen:

[ms-brown.wikispaces.com image 475x346]

....but the Left in the USA is too compromised, weak, limp-wristed, and spineless to attempt anything like it today...

/ doesn't help that most people like me can still get 3 squares a day and have a roof over our heads
//....and the fact that I fear imprisonment and death...


History has shown us that advancing inequalities and oppression always leads to the etch a sketch being shaken and I truly hope I wont have to live through that, because it's inevitable. History has also shown that who is holding the etch a sketch is crucially important in regards to the results and aftermath. The thing with capitalism as a religion and all this fake debt and fake money we keep tossing out in front of it's march to the sea, like some magic collection of stones that will allow us to walk on the waterm is that it is literally, physically - like within the realm of physics - unsustainable. And things farting in the face of common sense and math usually take care of themselves. *sigh*
 
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