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(Daily Mail)   Never mind the "millennials," studies show that "Generation Duckface" is even more shallow, entitled, spoiled and narcissistic   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 210
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2013-01-06 10:26:18 AM  
Whoa. Who would have expected hard-hitting journalism like this from the Daily Fail? Take that, young-uns!
 
2013-01-06 11:18:39 AM  
How will America's "Generation Duckface" ever compete with its UK equivalent, "Generation Nightclub Toilet Seat Cocaine Face?"
 
2013-01-06 11:32:30 AM  
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-01-06 11:46:32 AM  
So they're... duckadent?
 
2013-01-06 11:46:43 AM  
Six hours of studying? How does anyone get by on that?
 
2013-01-06 12:28:27 PM  
While students are much more likely to call themselves gifted in writing abilities, objective test scores actually show that their writing abilities are far less than those of their 1960s counterparts.

But their 1960s counterparts were much more likely to call themselves "far out" when they were actually  "groovy" at best.
 
2013-01-06 12:52:29 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: While students are much more likely to call themselves gifted in writing abilities, objective test scores actually show that their writing abilities are far less than those of their 1960s counterparts.

But their 1960s counterparts were much more likely to call themselves "far out" when they were actually  "groovy" at best.


s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
theconcentrium.com
 
2013-01-06 01:08:10 PM  
Moreso than the boomers? I find this difficult to believe.
 
2013-01-06 01:09:05 PM  
Who would have though getting 10,000 likes & compliments on a year on Facebook would spoil our teenage girls? You can't expect girls to be humble when EVERYONE tells them how beautiful they look.
 
2013-01-06 01:09:34 PM  
"Generation" = granfalloon.
 
2013-01-06 01:10:01 PM  
I'm surprised the OBVIOUS tag isn't on fire and shaking like an epileptic.
 
2013-01-06 01:10:33 PM  
Job security for my generation.
 
2013-01-06 01:10:56 PM  
Consumerism and the ME ME ME culture (because we're worth it!)

Mark my words, children, it is going to be the end of us.
 
2013-01-06 01:12:43 PM  
Pretty sure this story has been written about every "generation" since the beginning of time.
 
2013-01-06 01:12:45 PM  
From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression,' Twenge said. 'There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals.' "


oels.byu.edu
 
2013-01-06 01:12:48 PM  
This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat
 
2013-01-06 01:14:15 PM  
But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....
 
2013-01-06 01:14:56 PM  
To everyone who finds people more "entitled" today than previous decades/generations, how do you square the circle of competitive GDP in a climate of record unemployment? Or the increasing polarization of wealth and social inequality since the 70s... Seems to me people are getting by on less than ever...
 
2013-01-06 01:17:07 PM  
They are deh-spicable
 
2013-01-06 01:19:06 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat


You can't be my age because we weren't just selfish, lazy, and annoying, we were also drunken, irresponsible and destructive.
Or maybe that was just me and the people like me I hung out with, YMMV ;)
 
2013-01-06 01:19:32 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat


Am I the only one who's going to admit I couldn't stand the kids when I was one of them? Then again I had "real things" to do.
 
2013-01-06 01:20:16 PM  

ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....


Don't like to the poor boy. He's only better than 75,000,000 people. 100,000,000 tops.
 
2013-01-06 01:21:29 PM  
Just wait until Generation Duckface gets their dick kicked up to their watch pocket when reality sets in.
Most of these kids are still in daddy's wallet and on mama's teat.
 
2013-01-06 01:21:53 PM  

Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression,' Twenge said. 'There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals.' "


BUT I CAN BE ANYTHING I SET YOUR MIND TO, MY PARENTS TOLD ME SO!
I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
 
2013-01-06 01:23:35 PM  
Just found a narcissism quiz on some psych website.

When they give you your results, there's a big "share on facebook" button. I suspect that's the real test.
 
2013-01-06 01:23:36 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

Am I the only one who's going to admit I couldn't stand the kids when I was one of them? Then again I had "real things" to do.


Define "kids". I hated college students when I was one. None of them knew how to take care of themselves. It was amazing. The dorms regularly had fires because people would microwave metallic objects.
I don't mean like a fork, I mean like stovetop popcorn.
 
2013-01-06 01:23:44 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Job security for my generation.


Not really. The packaging is worth more than the contents of the box.
 
2013-01-06 01:25:06 PM  
Or I suppose you could say that our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, and they show disrespect for their elders and love chatting in place of exercise. You might be shocked to know that they no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, text instead of entertaining company, gobble up their food, and of course, they tyrannize their teachers.
 
2013-01-06 01:25:17 PM  
So wait, expecting to earn $80,000 in my first job out of university was unrealistic? Why then did everyone tell me I was a special snowflake who could accomplish anything I set my mind to?

WHY THEY LIE? WHY?
 
2013-01-06 01:27:08 PM  

ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....


That would make your kid "median"
 
2013-01-06 01:28:16 PM  
For the last time.... Stop callng it Duckface. The correct term is "AnusFace".

the faster you adopt that term, the faster this fad will go away.

"Hey, look, your sister posted her AnusFace on her facebook page."
 
2013-01-06 01:28:43 PM  

SirMadness: Or I suppose you could say that our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, and they show disrespect for their elders and love chatting in place of exercise. You might be shocked to know that they no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, text instead of entertaining company, gobble up their food, and of course, they tyrannize their teachers.


Thanks Aristotle, or possibly Plato.

/plans to take the "Calvin's dad" approach to character building when I have kids
 
2013-01-06 01:29:29 PM  

carnifex2005: Pretty sure this story has been written about every "generation" since the beginning of time.


And we're done here.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-06 01:30:01 PM  
Semi recent graduate (class of 2010) here. Yeah, it's kind of adorable watching a good chunk of my generation learn about bills when they get their handshake/piece of paper.

I have a safety net available if I need it (mom and dad have said I'm welcome to move home if finances get out of control), so I don't get some smug "I did it myself" crap. Right now, I don't need it, and I LIKE that. The ability to do what I want, when I want, and spend money how I want is a fantastic freedom. It's worth living paycheck to paycheck for it.

Everyone figures out really damn quick what it means to be an adult (usually back pain and stress about money). I'm glad I was given enough preparation for it, and I consider myself a bit further ahead of the curve than my peers (ironically, that's the topic of the article).
 
2013-01-06 01:31:06 PM  
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. - Socrates

/obligatory
 
2013-01-06 01:31:07 PM  
And we wonder why people of our generation have no compunction about violence towards each other.
 
2013-01-06 01:31:23 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

Am I the only one who's going to admit I couldn't stand the kids when I was one of them? Then again I had "real things" to do.


You, the sock, and a Farah Fawcett poster? Yeah, I had real things to do too.
 
2013-01-06 01:32:57 PM  
Does the realization that you're not "special" suddenly hit as a huge, life-changing epiphany? Or is it a slow realization that you gradually come to terms with? Or does it even hit at all?
 
2013-01-06 01:33:06 PM  

LegoLewdite: To everyone who finds people more "entitled" today than previous decades/generations, how do you square the circle of competitive GDP in a climate of record unemployment? Or the increasing polarization of wealth and social inequality since the 70s... Seems to me people are getting by on less than ever...


poor people problems
 
2013-01-06 01:34:29 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Yeah, these kids out here, they're a new breed! I ain't never seen anything like this before! This the end of the world now!
 
2013-01-06 01:34:58 PM  
Kids these days.
 
2013-01-06 01:35:26 PM  

Kit Fister: And we wonder why people of our generation have no compunction about violence towards each other.


As opposed to any other generation in the history of people. No, your generation is actually quite a bit less violent than the last. In this country, that's been true for every generation since the civil war.
 
2013-01-06 01:35:30 PM  
What's wrong with Danny Kaye?
 
2013-01-06 01:35:32 PM  

Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.


That's the opposite of what I've seen, being a member of that-ish age group. Everyone I know just wants a freaking steady wage, a nice place to sleep, maybe some pot and beer and to not have to waste our time on useless farking shiat like wars.
 
2013-01-06 01:36:16 PM  

ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....


1, 7, 8, 9, 10
The average of those 5 numbers is 7.
The person with 7 is better than only 1 other person.
 
2013-01-06 01:37:11 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: While students are much more likely to call themselves gifted in writing abilities, objective test scores actually show that their writing abilities are far less than those of their 1960s counterparts.

But their 1960s counterparts were much more likely to call themselves "far out" when they were actually  "groovy" at best.


This is what happens when you give praise where praise isn't deserved, ensure that achievement isn't recognized but participation is, and somehow claim that the ignorance of one is just as good as the knowledge of another. It's what happens when one generation rides on the achievements of the previous, rather than ascending on their own achievements, and we've been doing it now for roughly three generations, thanks to the 1980's and the "greed is good" mantra. Why create when you can exploit? Why work when you can manipulate? As with so many other societies in history, when duty and honor become unfashionable, when labor is considered a sign of inferiority, when the need to inflate the balloon is more important than the need to fill it with substance, collapse is inevitable.

kerryfarkingking: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. - Socrates

/obligatory


And, just as obligatory, a reminder that the civilization of Socrates is just something we read about now, yet another ancient history involving an advanced civilization that slowly degraded through such actions. It's a fun quote, but it's a semaphore for calamity, not a signal of curmudgeonly griping.
 
2013-01-06 01:37:23 PM  
Kids these days.
 
2013-01-06 01:37:39 PM  

Begoggle: ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....

1, 7, 8, 9, 10
The average of those 5 numbers is 7.
The person with 7 is better than only 1 other person.


Hey now, that was just plain mean.
 
2013-01-06 01:38:18 PM  

FormlessOne: Lionel Mandrake: While students are much more likely to call themselves gifted in writing abilities, objective test scores actually show that their writing abilities are far less than those of their 1960s counterparts.

But their 1960s counterparts were much more likely to call themselves "far out" when they were actually  "groovy" at best.

This is what happens when you give praise where praise isn't deserved, ensure that achievement isn't recognized but participation is, and somehow claim that the ignorance of one is just as good as the knowledge of another. It's what happens when one generation rides on the achievements of the previous, rather than ascending on their own achievements, and we've been doing it now for roughly three generations, thanks to the 1980's and the "greed is good" mantra. Why create when you can exploit? Why work when you can manipulate? As with so many other societies in history, when duty and honor become unfashionable, when labor is considered a sign of inferiority, when the need to inflate the balloon is more important than the need to fill it with substance, collapse is inevitable.

kerryfarkingking: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. - Socrates

/obligatory

And, just as obligatory, a reminder that the civilization of Socrates is just something we read about now, yet another ancient history involving an advanced civilization that slowly degraded through such actions. It's a fun quote, but it's a semaphore for calamity, not a signal of curmudgeonly griping.


Your newsletter. I wish to subscribe.
 
2013-01-06 01:38:53 PM  

joonyer: Begoggle: ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....

1, 7, 8, 9, 10
The average of those 5 numbers is 7.
The person with 7 is better than only 1 other person.

Hey now, that was just plain mean.


nice
 
2013-01-06 01:38:57 PM  
The most stunning aspect of this new sense of entitlement is the new liberal mantra that hard work is not a factor in success. They keep spreading this self-serving idiocy that successful people are mostly the result of either luck, rich parents, handouts, or dishonesty. Holy sh*t man, these kids are setting themselves up for a lifetime of fail...
 
2013-01-06 01:40:32 PM  

SirMadness: Or I suppose you could say that our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, and they show disrespect for their elders and love chatting in place of exercise. You might be shocked to know that they no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, text instead of entertaining company, gobble up their food, and of course, they tyrannize their teachers.


You forgot cutting in line and expecting everyone to move out of their way to make room for them. I have left more than one millenial or duckface or whatever very disappointed that I would not give up my hard won spot at the front of a general admission concert. Forget giving you personal space, these are people who actually push up against you and expect you to move.

/I'll be on my lawn.
 
2013-01-06 01:40:58 PM  

miniflea: SirMadness: Or I suppose you could say that our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, and they show disrespect for their elders and love chatting in place of exercise. You might be shocked to know that they no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, text instead of entertaining company, gobble up their food, and of course, they tyrannize their teachers.

Thanks Aristotle, or possibly Plato.

/plans to take the "Calvin's dad" approach to character building when I have kids


"Calvin, go do something you hate. Being miserable builds character!"
 
2013-01-06 01:41:22 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

Am I the only one who's going to admit I couldn't stand the kids when I was one of them? Then again I had "real things" to do.


Did you get fragged by your own men in Nam? Sounds like that was a real possibility.
 
2013-01-06 01:41:49 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Job security for my generation.


We should also start working on robots to take care of us in our old age, too.
 
2013-01-06 01:42:11 PM  
Kids these days.

With their 'rock and roll', like that Eddie Van Heflin.
 
2013-01-06 01:43:24 PM  

Begoggle: ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....

1, 7, 8, 9, 10
The average of those 5 numbers is 7.
The person with 7 is better than only 1 other person.



I was told there would be no math.
 
2013-01-06 01:44:03 PM  

Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression,' Twenge said. 'There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals.' "


[oels.byu.edu image 400x300]


We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact.
 
2013-01-06 01:44:48 PM  
Where does Gen Y end and Duckface begin?
 
2013-01-06 01:45:19 PM  
Scrolling thru TFA, I was overcome with the desire to pimpslap each one of those f*cking duck-lipped spikey-haired kids.
 
2013-01-06 01:45:45 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

Am I the only one who's going to admit I couldn't stand the kids when I was one of them? Then again I had "real things" to do.


Nope. I couldn't stand being around them back then, too.
 
2013-01-06 01:47:05 PM  
I really can't handle working with, socializing with, or generally talking to a lot of these kids.

They seem to have no idea that anything past their own nose matters.

/sure my parents said the same about my generation.
 
2013-01-06 01:47:38 PM  
The ww2 generation, gave rise to the nuclear family, who's children grew up to be
"flower children of the 60's, (baby boomers), who gave rise to the kids of the 70's-80's
who were driven around in car seats, minivans. Those kids became adults and gave
rise to the children of the 90's, who became snowflakes, who can do no wrong, are
given anything they scream their heads off for, and have a entitlement level never
seen before on this planet. They EXPECT to be given anything, think that anything
they do or say is ok. Well, I think they need a slap upside the head, throw them all
in military boot camp and let the sergeant from Full Metal Jacket set them straight.
 
2013-01-06 01:47:38 PM  

Mister Peejay: Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression,' Twenge said. 'There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals.' "


[oels.byu.edu image 400x300]

We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact.



Speak for yourself.

/Writing this as I dock my yacht before filming a few scenes before my gig tonight.
 
2013-01-06 01:51:13 PM  
And they can all go directly to the "Occupy" protests, when employers fail to be at the edge of the stage at their graduation ceremonies, with C-level position offers.
 
2013-01-06 01:52:11 PM  

technofiend: You forgot cutting in line and expecting everyone to move out of their way to make room for them. I have left more than one millenial or duckface or whatever very disappointed that I would not give up my hard won spot at the front of a general admission concert. Forget giving you personal space, these are people who actually push up against you and expect you to move.


I had that happen a couple of years back in a ski-lift line.

This kid was on a snow-board (of course) and was crowding my daughter and I, getting on top of the back of our skis and basically bieng a shiat.

So I raised my pole over his shiny board like a dagger and gave him a look he surely never had received before.

To his credit, he backed off and scurried to the next lift line in that graceless manner that boarders are known for.
 
2013-01-06 01:52:23 PM  
"The next generation is spoiled, and the one after that even more so!" said adults since always.
 
2013-01-06 01:52:28 PM  

alwaysjaded: "Calvin, go do something you hate. Being miserable builds character!"


I do this in all seriousness. My 11-year-old loves C&H, and I regularly channel Calvin's Dad when he's acting like a little brat.

/Sadly, being a scientist-geek type I can't explain why old pictures are in black and white properly.
 
2013-01-06 01:53:00 PM  
I know a 22 year old who is constantly flying into a depression over the fact that she can't yet afford to buy her dream horse farm in the country. I know you shouldn't put it in the crazy, but she is nice and slutty, so at least there's that.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do in this thread, so I'm just going to maintain the mental image of me shiatting on skrillex's chest. I guess it makes me old and lame, but basically everything attached to the current age 20 to 25 year old culture sucks. Your tv sucks, your music sucks, Facebook sucks, duck faces suck, hipsters suck, but not as bad as anti hipsters. Narcissistic, live in a bubble, with little to no human compassion, having turned the concept of friends into a digital score sheet, rather than human interaction and empathy. Bunch of ecstasy sucking, unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce unce. Oh and fark reddit. They managed to do the one thing that's even worse than the way Fark green lights stories, user up votes. Ugh.
 
2013-01-06 01:53:46 PM  

FormlessOne: Lionel Mandrake: While students are much more likely to call themselves gifted in writing abilities, objective test scores actually show that their writing abilities are far less than those of their 1960s counterparts.

But their 1960s counterparts were much more likely to call themselves "far out" when they were actually  "groovy" at best.

This is what happens when you give praise where praise isn't deserved, ensure that achievement isn't recognized but participation is, and somehow claim that the ignorance of one is just as good as the knowledge of another. It's what happens when one generation rides on the achievements of the previous, rather than ascending on their own achievements, and we've been doing it now for roughly three generations, thanks to the 1980's and the "greed is good" mantra. Why create when you can exploit? Why work when you can manipulate? As with so many other societies in history, when duty and honor become unfashionable, when labor is considered a sign of inferiority, when the need to inflate the balloon is more important than the need to fill it with substance, collapse is inevitable.

kerryfarkingking: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. - Socrates

/obligatory

And, just as obligatory, a reminder that the civilization of Socrates is just something we read about now, yet another ancient history involving an advanced civilization that slowly degraded through such actions. It's a fun quote, but it's a semaphore for calamity, not a signal of curmudgeonly griping.


Or, you know, when you poll a group ranging from seventeen to twenty who were raised with MTV and have no life experience beyond high school, your scores look utterly retarded.

You want a real poll? Go see what they do at age thirty.  That indicates far more than a news article that feels the need to let us know teenagers are shallow and slightly stupid.
 
2013-01-06 01:55:05 PM  

TomD9938: technofiend: You forgot cutting in line and expecting everyone to move out of their way to make room for them. I have left more than one millenial or duckface or whatever very disappointed that I would not give up my hard won spot at the front of a general admission concert. Forget giving you personal space, these are people who actually push up against you and expect you to move.

I had that happen a couple of years back in a ski-lift line.

This kid was on a snow-board (of course) and was crowding my daughter and I, getting on top of the back of our skis and basically bieng a shiat.

So I raised my pole over his shiny board like a dagger and gave him a look he surely never had received before.

To his credit, he backed off and scurried to the next lift line in that graceless manner that boarders are known for.


Ah, yes... snowboarders.

Q: How does a snowboarder say good morning?
A: Woops, sorrry dude.
 
2013-01-06 01:55:50 PM  
These people aren't "entitled," they're just "voting for their self-interests."
 
2013-01-06 01:57:24 PM  
I wonder if the "same old anti-youth crap every generation" people bothered to read the article. Because, you know, making assumptions with no basis in reality is part of the study.
 
2013-01-06 02:00:39 PM  
Of course, this would never apply to any of you well grounded and well adjusted young folks on TFD. Never. Particularly after you take your daily anxiety meds.

BTW. I studied 3 to 4 hours daily in college. Took Saturday off and 2 to 3 hours on Sunday. But I was paying my own way in Engineering, with a 4.0, not riding the trust fund in a dual major of Woman's studies and advanced art appreciation.

But I did have the body of a Greek god.
 
2013-01-06 02:04:41 PM  

PsiChick: You want a real poll? Go see what they do at age thirty. That indicates far more than a news article that feels the need to let us know teenagers are shallow and slightly stupid.


Why wouldn't they do fine? Narcissists usually do. But are they doing fine because they worked hard and realized that everything wasn't going to be handed to them, or are they doing fine because they stabbed everyone in the back to get what they want, and because they've learned how to be excellent users and manipulators of everyone and everything?

Self-centered assholes aren't usually bothered by their own behavior. They just make everyone who isn't just like them miserable.
 
2013-01-06 02:05:21 PM  

joonyer: You, the sock, and a Farah Fawcett poster? Yeah, I had real things to do too.


Thhhhhh...thanks for sharing.
 
2013-01-06 02:08:00 PM  
There were 2 major devaluations of the SAT test since the high scoring years in the mid 60s. The first one just made the test easier and was done over years in the late 70s to early 80s because their numbers were so abysmal and then instead of adding a science section as logic would dictate they added w writing section to help the future burger friers liberal arts majors get into college.
 
2013-01-06 02:08:09 PM  

smells_like_meat: Of course, this would never apply to any of you well grounded and well adjusted young folks on TFD. Never. Particularly after you take your daily anxiety meds.

BTW. I studied 3 to 4 hours daily in college. Took Saturday off and 2 to 3 hours on Sunday. But I was paying my own way in Engineering, with a 4.0, not riding the trust fund in a dual major of Woman's studies and advanced art appreciation.

But I did have the body of a Greek god.


Did you walk 10 miles uphill in the snow there and back?

Did you like it?
 
2013-01-06 02:08:16 PM  
Pyschologist Jean Twenge and her colleagues compiled the data and found that over the last four decades there's been a dramatic rise in the number of students who describe themselves as being 'above average' in the areas of academic ability, drive to achieve, mathematical ability, and self-confidence.

Let's call this the Lake Woebegone Generation.
 
2013-01-06 02:09:47 PM  

cryinoutloud: PsiChick: You want a real poll? Go see what they do at age thirty. That indicates far more than a news article that feels the need to let us know teenagers are shallow and slightly stupid.

Why wouldn't they do fine? Narcissists usually do. But are they doing fine because they worked hard and realized that everything wasn't going to be handed to them, or are they doing fine because they stabbed everyone in the back to get what they want, and because they've learned how to be excellent users and manipulators of everyone and everything?

Self-centered assholes aren't usually bothered by their own behavior. They just make everyone who isn't just like them miserable.


...I wasn't talking about them doing fine. I'm talking about how they turn out as people. Honestly, I give no farks whether or not they succeed in life, because that wasn't the point of these surveys, and I'm feeling literal today.
 
2013-01-06 02:11:36 PM  
We beat them before, we shall beat them again!
 
2013-01-06 02:13:00 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Did you walk 10 miles uphill in the snow there and back?

Did you like it?


Only for sex or to buy drugs. Yes.
 
2013-01-06 02:13:23 PM  
I'm at the tail end of generation Y and I hate them most are pretty ignorant even about things they claim to love. They want to make films but refuse to watch anything Black and White. They want to be an artist but refuse to study art history, they write novels but don't read them. And all them get mad for pointing this. Also none of them can spell and they act like the whole world must be in college and it's soooo important.

No it's not plenty of people make good money, have lives, families and are successful and never go to college. Most of my favorite writers never set foot in college (unless it was to give a commencement address).

/Also they think Matt Smith is the third Doctor.
 
2013-01-06 02:15:29 PM  
I saw a young girl walking around making that duck face. I have never actually pointed and laughed at anyone before, and the experience was satisfying.

//My brother had bells palsy, and he made that face. But he had no choice. This chick did.
 
TWX
2013-01-06 02:17:14 PM  

WhippingBoy: Does the realization that you're not "special" suddenly hit as a huge, life-changing epiphany? Or is it a slow realization that you gradually come to terms with? Or does it even hit at all?


I don't think that it hits for most people, and living in a continuous state of denial accounts for a lot of "misdirected rage". People are subconciously mad that they're not being treated special because they haven't truly made the realization that they probably aren't, and that if they disappeared, only a few people would really be affected, and even then that would fade with time.
 
2013-01-06 02:18:02 PM  

CodeMonkey4Life: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

You can't be my age because we weren't just selfish, lazy, and annoying, we were also drunken, irresponsible and destructive.
Or maybe that was just me and the people like me I hung out with, YMMV ;)


You must be my generation--we spent most of our free time, doing drugs, looking for drugs and breaking things.
Kids today think smoking weed is "doing drugs". Hilarious.

Oh, and Iggy Pop.
 
2013-01-06 02:19:04 PM  

joonyer: Kit Fister: And we wonder why people of our generation have no compunction about violence towards each other.

As opposed to any other generation in the history of people. No, your generation is actually quite a bit less violent than the last. In this country, that's been true for every generation since the civil war.


Yep, and also every generation has considered itself to be the bestest and the other ones useless.
 
2013-01-06 02:19:06 PM  
You all get trophies, just for being you.
 
2013-01-06 02:23:02 PM  

jjorsett: Pyschologist Jean Twenge and her colleagues compiled the data and found that over the last four decades there's been a dramatic rise in the number of students who describe themselves as being 'above average' in the areas of academic ability, drive to achieve, mathematical ability, and self-confidence.

Let's call this the Lake Woebegone Generation.


...the women are robust, the men are pink-cheeked, and the children are pink-cheeked and robust...
 
2013-01-06 02:24:06 PM  

PsiChick: FormlessOne: Lionel Mandrake: While students are much more likely to call themselves gifted in writing abilities, objective test scores actually show that their writing abilities are far less than those of their 1960s counterparts.

But their 1960s counterparts were much more likely to call themselves "far out" when they were actually  "groovy" at best.

This is what happens when you give praise where praise isn't deserved, ensure that achievement isn't recognized but participation is, and somehow claim that the ignorance of one is just as good as the knowledge of another. It's what happens when one generation rides on the achievements of the previous, rather than ascending on their own achievements, and we've been doing it now for roughly three generations, thanks to the 1980's and the "greed is good" mantra. Why create when you can exploit? Why work when you can manipulate? As with so many other societies in history, when duty and honor become unfashionable, when labor is considered a sign of inferiority, when the need to inflate the balloon is more important than the need to fill it with substance, collapse is inevitable.

kerryfarkingking: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. - Socrates

/obligatory

And, just as obligatory, a reminder that the civilization of Socrates is just something we read about now, yet another ancient history involving an advanced civilization that slowly degraded through such actions. It's a fun quote, but it's a semaphore for calamity, not a signal of curmudgeonly griping.

Or, you know, when you poll a group ranging from seventeen to twenty who were raised with MTV and have no life e ...


I'm still trying to figure out how "Objective" and "writing ability" go together in a thought.
 
2013-01-06 02:24:56 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: The most stunning aspect of this new sense of entitlement is the new liberal mantra that hard work is not a factor in success. They keep spreading this self-serving idiocy that successful people are mostly the result of either luck, rich parents, handouts, or dishonesty. Holy sh*t man, these kids are setting themselves up for a lifetime of fail...


Have a link, or is this just one of many persecution fantasies banging around in your butthurt teabilly mind?
 
2013-01-06 02:25:19 PM  

joonyer: Begoggle: ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....

1, 7, 8, 9, 10
The average of those 5 numbers is 7.
The person with 7 is better than only 1 other person.

Hey now, that was just plain mean.


That took me a second. Good job, you are definitely above median.
 
2013-01-06 02:26:03 PM  
"Generation Duckface"? I-AM-SO-ADOPTING-THAT-PHRASE!!
 
2013-01-06 02:27:23 PM  
It's a function of demographics, usually.

Large population groups tend to be more full of themselves since they have the numbers and the social inertia. The Boomers and the Millenials are textbook examples (no one ever said this about the brooding, angst-filled, latchkey Generation X).
 
2013-01-06 02:29:10 PM  

AcneVulgaris: WhoopAssWayne: The most stunning aspect of this new sense of entitlement is the new liberal mantra that hard work is not a factor in success. They keep spreading this self-serving idiocy that successful people are mostly the result of either luck, rich parents, handouts, or dishonesty. Holy sh*t man, these kids are setting themselves up for a lifetime of fail...

Have a link, or is this just one of many persecution fantasies banging around in your butthurt teabilly mind?


It's much easier to feel superior to entire groups of people if you make up shiat and apply it to everyone.

Jeez, if even 5% of what wingnuts said about liberals were true, I'd hate me, too.
 
2013-01-06 02:29:51 PM  
"Think how dumb the average guy is. Now think that, by definition, half the population is stupider than that."--J.R. "Bob" Dobbs.
/Yes, I know the difference between "average" and mean."
 
2013-01-06 02:30:07 PM  
So...more people say that they're above average, and in the meanwhile the average is getting lower?

Not finding a contradiction here.

/maybe it's just that more and more people are too dumb to fill out a survey.
 
2013-01-06 02:31:01 PM  

red5ish: You all get trophies, just for being you.


Your simple statement has finally let me figure out why I hate video game trophies. Back in the day we got trophies for winning and we only had our bragging rights for finishing a video game. There were no trophies for completing level one!

/ I have the crescent hawk LAM miniature from finishing the game
// how is that for a trophy!
 
2013-01-06 02:34:20 PM  

McGrits: red5ish: You all get trophies, just for being you.

Your simple statement has finally let me figure out why I hate video game trophies. Back in the day we got trophies for winning and we only had our bragging rights for finishing a video game. There were no trophies for completing level one!

/ I have the crescent hawk LAM miniature from finishing the game
// how is that for a trophy!


I blame Xbox. If someone loves Xbox, I know automatically that they are a horrible person.
 
2013-01-06 02:36:46 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-06 02:36:56 PM  
I recently saw a "Certificate of Achievement" that was given to the student for "Following the rules." What they hades? We are now giving out awards for what should really be considered base line behavior? Every student in the class got some sort of award, and only a couple of them seemed to actually be worthwhile (such as perfect attendance or winning the spelling bee). It seems that the did not want to upset any of the children and instead of just rewarding those who deserved it they gave awards to every student in the class. Can this really be a good thing?
 
2013-01-06 02:37:20 PM  
I imagine a big part of the drop in scores is the participation rate. Used to be only the "best" would go to colleges, so there were few that were not good enough to be there, and there was little incentive to separate the good from the bad in college. Now that 'less qualified' individuals are going, they drag the scores down.

Plus stuff like science has gotten much better. Who cares how pretty the writing is so long as it is competent and gets the point across.
 
2013-01-06 02:39:24 PM  

TheBigJerk: I'm still trying to figure out how "Objective" and "writing ability" go together in a thought.


You slept through most of your English classes, didn't you.

/Seriously? There are rules of grammar, what makes people think there aren't rules of writing? Relative, yes, but there's enough consensus so you can discuss writing ability without 'art in the eye of the beholder' bullshiat.
//Sorry, this one just annoys me. Mostly because I have a lot of conversations where I water down the highly-technical writing problems I run into working on my book and people then feel the need to imply my job is 'so easy lol'.
 
2013-01-06 02:41:53 PM  

BoothbyTCD: "The next generation is spoiled, and the one after that even more so!" said adults since always.

 
2013-01-06 02:46:27 PM  

neongoats: I know a 22 year old who is constantly flying into a depression over the fact that she can't yet afford to buy her dream horse farm in the country.


I know a 26 year old that just bought a condo(she can actually afford it), because her mom told her-"you've graduated college, no more free living", and she has had the audacity to complain that her life has been harder than mine, when her parents payed for her entire college education, while mine kicked me out on the street at age 16(I was dating a member of the same gender-that was apparently horrific enough to render me homeless).

Yes how awful, you had to buy a one-bedroom condo, because you didn't have the downpayment for the two bedroom you wanted, that's so much worse than eating out of dumpsters, and sleeping on people's floors while trying to finish high school.
 
2013-01-06 02:46:45 PM  
"Whut UVVUR! Everybody TOTALLY wants to put it IN meh and I have this wai kewl PHONE!" I wish I could be around to see this pack of sponges sitting in old age home, all trying to talk over each other with their stories of "that time that that one guy totally dissed me!" *snort* News? No. Interesting? Not really. That "Oh, look a car wreck!" vibe? Mos def.
 
2013-01-06 02:53:01 PM  

Free Radical: Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression,' Twenge said. 'There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals.' "

BUT I CAN BE ANYTHING I SET YOUR MIND TO, MY PARENTS TOLD ME SO!
I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!


Of course you can.

But that doesn't necessarily mean you will. Things happen, stuff doesn't always go as planned, but that doesn't mean you never try.

/your parents told you the truth
 
2013-01-06 02:55:26 PM  

TheBigJerk: I'm still trying to figure out how "Objective" and "writing ability" go together in a thought.


The objective part refers to the testing standards and writing ability is what the tests measure.
 
2013-01-06 02:55:31 PM  

cuzsis: Free Radical: Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression,' Twenge said. 'There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals.' "

BUT I CAN BE ANYTHING I SET YOUR MIND TO, MY PARENTS TOLD ME SO!
I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

Of course you can.

But that doesn't necessarily mean you will. Things happen, stuff doesn't always go as planned, but that doesn't mean you never try.

/your parents told you the truth


And yet, they get blamed when they try to reach their goals, instead of just getting a degree or a job that will work well with the current/future market.  I've heard many on fark call them stupid for daring to do something other than what the market desires.
 
2013-01-06 02:59:14 PM  

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: CodeMonkey4Life: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

You can't be my age because we weren't just selfish, lazy, and annoying, we were also drunken, irresponsible and destructive.
Or maybe that was just me and the people like me I hung out with, YMMV ;)

You must be my generation--we spent most of our free time, doing drugs, looking for drugs and breaking things...


Yes, usually all at the same time!
 
2013-01-06 03:02:24 PM  
The NEA is doing to America's children what the UAW did to America's automobile manufacturing. Thanks!
 
2013-01-06 03:05:24 PM  

technofiend: TomD9938: technofiend: You forgot cutting in line and expecting everyone to move out of their way to make room for them. I have left more than one millenial or duckface or whatever very disappointed that I would not give up my hard won spot at the front of a general admission concert. Forget giving you personal space, these are people who actually push up against you and expect you to move.

I had that happen a couple of years back in a ski-lift line.

This kid was on a snow-board (of course) and was crowding my daughter and I, getting on top of the back of our skis and basically bieng a shiat.

So I raised my pole over his shiny board like a dagger and gave him a look he surely never had received before.

To his credit, he backed off and scurried to the next lift line in that graceless manner that boarders are known for.

Ah, yes... snowboarders.

Q: How does a snowboarder say good morning?
A: Woops, sorrry dude.


Smug 2 planker wanker talk...

/does both
 
2013-01-06 03:07:02 PM  

LegoLewdite: To everyone who finds people more "entitled" today than previous decades/generations, how do you square the circle of competitive GDP in a climate of record unemployment?


Ha. You don't. You don't even think about it in those egghead libby-lib terms. You keep it to the individual and the work ethic you grew up with, and you blame the victim.

Or the increasing polarization of wealth and social inequality since the 70s... Seems to me people are getting by on less than ever...

If you grew up around people who remembered the 1930s, you give less than no farks about the problems of people today. The modern world is paradise, and those who are not measuring up have only themselves to blame.
 
2013-01-06 03:07:12 PM  
Uh, teens and young adults are dumb. Nothing new there.
 
2013-01-06 03:16:36 PM  
This is how many give-a-damns I have:

0
 
2013-01-06 03:17:03 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

That's the opposite of what I've seen, being a member of that-ish age group. Everyone I know just wants a freaking steady wage, a nice place to sleep, maybe some pot and beer and to not have to waste our time on useless farking shiat like wars.


Do you know what level of privilege is represented by even that seemingly unselfish existence? Even in the history of this country you'd be in the 1% of the 1%. Even without a second pair of levi's or ten bucks in the bank.

You're asking that your life be your own without paying the price to society. And no, you can't work off the debt by volunteering or co-opping or any such hipsterism. You have to earn your lifestyle through the market. Our society is a market society and our morality is a market morality. If it weren't, you couldn't even dream of that unassuming, low-impact lifestyle you want.

Earn it. Generate surplus value so others may profit. Don't presume to change the system until you've become part of it.

/OK, I'm trolling. But I'd like to hear your best argument back.
 
2013-01-06 03:18:31 PM  
Are you telling me that teenagers are inconsiderate, selfish and entitled bags of hormones incapable of thinking beyond their immediate needs and impulses?

I am SHOCKED!!! That's NEVER happened before!!!

Seriously, I'm not a fan of teenagers, I didn't like them even when I was one of them, but it comes a time when the previous generations have to look themselves in the mirror and think about their part in the mess.

Kids just don't come up with values, ethics and world views ingrained in their brains from birth and then choose to not follow them just because. Adults are the ones supposed to teach those things and lead by example.

A friend (married and with a kid) of mine told me once that people do one of 2 things when comes to parenting: Either do exactly as their parents did, or completely the opposite... that makes me thing how much of the so vilified "EVERYBODY is special" culture is derived of the previous generation lack of sense of worth? Seems to be that today's parents aren't satisfied with their own relationship with THEIR parents, so that projects on their own parenting skills and attitudes.

I'm not saying that the kids are a-OK... Just wondering how much is our own fault as environment.
 
2013-01-06 03:19:00 PM  
I debated which of my folders was best for the bookmark of his page and decided that my "Apocalypse Cow" folder under Entertainment was propably better than any of my Humanities folders or my Politics folder.

I take the common sense position that each generation is very much like every other generation, except they are a different age and in a different position on the learning curve of life. This explains why every generation has made exactly the same complaints about their youngers and their elders. It is simply not possible for every generation to be worse or better than the last, so a lot of these fears and recriminations have to be, on the whole, wrong.

My parents, who were born in the Great Depressiion and grew up during World War II and its revolutionary aftermath, complain that kids nowadays expect to have everything their parents and grandparents had from the get-go, without paying the dues and doing the time to acquire all the luxuries of comfortable middle and old age. They do, perhaps, but I expect the complaint could easily have been made about any generation since my ancestors carved crude farmland out of the forest primeval. In the 1920s, the bright young things were furnishing utility apartments on the newly invented credit. More frugal and conservative young people were buying everything on the layaway plan, which seems to be as dead as the typewriter and the black Bakelite telephones of the 1940s. Their parents and grandparents (who were much rarer in those days) no doubt felt that the kids were expecting to be handed life on a German Silver(TM) platter, with a cocktail shaker plated with real silver. They were right. My parents are right. Socrates was right. The kids nowadays are not what their parents are or were. They start from a different springboard, perhaps higher, perhaps lower.

I envy the real Baby Boomers the ease with which they walked into jobs and home ownership and many things which became unattainable simply because of demographic and economic trends that were really nobody's fault and everybody's fault. But they did spend mightily to give their own children many new toys that they never had and that their parents have never really understood or wanted. The next generation may have been latch-key kids, but it was for the same reason that many of the Boomers did not have both parents around at any given time--they were out paying for all the stuff bought on credit, including the mortgage and the BMW leases.

In short, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. You take the bad, you take the good, the Facts of Life, the Facts of Life. God that was a dumb show.

I always say that being born in New Brunswick, Canada, I grew up in at least three or four centuries (XVII, XVII, XVIII, and XXth). In some ways the customs and the lifestyles and values and beliefs of my family, friends, close personal enemies, and neighbours partook of different generations and ages all the way from the pioneers to the jetsetters and beyond. Sometimes I saw or even did things that died out elsewhere hundreds of years ago in the UK, the US or even the rest of Canada.

This experience has made me a sort of outsider everywhere and at all times, but also able to understand and empathize with people in wildly different situations from my own. It has made me marginal but also able to laugh at and love people who hate each other deeply, sincerely and sometimes wisely.

Meh. The kids are alright, I suppose.

It is true though that high expectations are dangerous and damaging. My youngest niece attempted suicide recently. I don't know all of what she has been through but she is smart, pretty, well-off and a decent girl with some of the faults of her Mother and Father--perhaps partly inherited as well as learned. I worry about her but can not do much to help as a distant uncle. She is part of this post-Millennnial generation but there were girls like her in the 1950s let alone the 1960s and so forth. God help her, if there is a God. Otherwise we all have to do the best we can to fill the void left by Divine Providence and Nobodaddy in the Sky.

Oddly enough, my nephew, who is the most-farked-up of the lot is the only one who buys me Christmas presents in return for my generous offerings, and he's not half bad at buying something fun and useless, like his uncle.

My oldest niece has a new tattoo on her arm, which comes as a surprise to all of us, since she seems to be the quiet and sensible one who reads a lot of books like her uncle, but meh. It's been so long since tattoos were for rebels and carnies and sailors that my father's navy tattoo is unreckonizable. It's a ship but I had entirely forgotten about the rose and you can't tell what it is from looking at it.

There's a guy who wrote about book about generations who claims that generations arise in a cycle (partly driven by rebellion against the success and failures, values and obsessions of their parents and grandparents). I think I should see if I can look his theory up and see how well he is doing now that we have a couple more generations to work with.

God help us all. Folly is at least as big a part of life as forethought and action.

Such as he roared at dawn's creation, so roars he now.--John Milton
 
2013-01-06 03:21:29 PM  
.. according to study from My Dad Fought In The War Institute
 
2013-01-06 03:25:29 PM  

jso2897: "Generation" = granfalloon.


Well, thanks Grandpa. Now the kids have to read another old book.

But I agree. Generations are granfalloons, and the sooner you realize it, the sooner you can stop whinging about those that came before and those that come after yours. And yours. I really, really find my own generation annoying. In fact, I spent most of my life playing with the big kids (Baby Boomers) or with the little kids who grew up after me (the third Generation X, my own generaton being the second Generation X, and the Baby Boomers being the original Generation X in the 1950s).

Not only are generations Granfalloons, they are marketing tools and inventions. Beware the market man! He is trying to sell you. And to sell stuff to you.

That's one thing my generation and the generations before and after me got from MAD magazine and other satirists of the 1940s and 1950s. A healthy skepticism and contempt for attempts to sell us things we don't want and don't need. Not that we don't buy any thing, but we are a hard sell.
 
2013-01-06 03:28:03 PM  

DarkPascual: how much of the so vilified "EVERYBODY is special" culture is derived of the previous generation lack of sense of worth? Seems to be that today's parents aren't satisfied with their own relationship with THEIR parents, so that projects on their own parenting skills and attitudes.


Um, dude? We don't talk about that. We're not that intelligent, and we're too goddam busy making a living, and moral values and stuff and um, we don't talk about that because we just don't.
 
2013-01-06 03:29:17 PM  
Tell me folks? Do you say that most really successful people didn't take short cuts or sell themselves hard at first even though they probably weren't qualified at the start? Isn't most of success really "fake it till you make it"?
 
2013-01-06 03:31:23 PM  

mrlewish: Tell me folks? Do you say that most really successful people didn't take short cuts or sell themselves hard at first even though they probably weren't qualified at the start? Isn't most of success really "fake it till you make it"?


Hard sell qualifies as hard work. Finding ways around the system doesn't.
 
2013-01-06 03:31:29 PM  
I must be lucky, or doing something right. I have five kids - 26, 20, 18, 11, 9. Not a single self entitled twat. This is how we have raised them:You want it, you work for it. World owes you nothing. Don't like society? Me neither, that's why I work from within it to improve it. Respect other people of you wish to be respected, but not everyone is worthy of your respect. Be a good person, not a shiate. Luck is random, and life is not fair. Who told you to expect fair? Because I said so is perfectly valid while we pay the bills, but we will debate it reasonably if you don't turn into whiny brat. Do not treat me like an idiot if you don't want to be treated as an idiot. A family is a team of people - we work together, we can fight each other, but these are the people who will always have your back, so do not shiate in your own nest. Also, fun is a damn good thing, but so is the satisfaction of working hard at what you love. It took me thirty years before I had worked hard enough to have the luxury of working at what I love, things often have to be earnt. Then they are valued. What gets given has less value. And always apologize if genuinely in the wrong, and once sorry is said and meant, it is over. No grudges held. And we love you deeply - but there is no rule that says we have to like everything you do. We will always be here to support you, but we will tell you if we think t is wrong. You can then make your own mistakes. Anything between consenting adults, fine. Good manners are the social lubricant, apply freely and frequently and things run more smoothly. Even more important to apply it to your own family.It is pretty simple to be a parent. Raise kids you will like as adults. I lucked out. Damn fine, smart kids. And that damn expression is known fondly here as 'cat bum face'.
 
2013-01-06 03:32:31 PM  
loopedblog.files.wordpress.com: just because I got around?
 
2013-01-06 03:33:38 PM  

mrlewish: Tell me folks? Do you say that most really successful people didn't take short cuts or sell themselves hard at first even though they probably weren't qualified at the start? Isn't most of success really "fake it till you make it"?


You're absolutely right. The reason most people succeed can be printed on a bumper sticker or chanted at an AA meeting.
 
2013-01-06 03:35:38 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Job security for my generation.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-01-06 03:37:51 PM  

Need a Dispenser Here: Smug 2 planker wanker talk...

/does both


Dude,

If I had *two* planks, the wanking would never end. My God, one is enough.

/I too snowboarded some, at least until I swapped to visiting Colorado in the summer and river rafting instead.
//Couldn't pass up the joke, either way.
 
2013-01-06 03:38:31 PM  

red5ish: mrlewish: Tell me folks? Do you say that most really successful people didn't take short cuts or sell themselves hard at first even though they probably weren't qualified at the start? Isn't most of success really "fake it till you make it"?

You're absolutely right. The reason most people succeed can be printed on a bumper sticker or chanted at an AA meeting.


The world treats people with simple views a lot better than it does people who try to understand it.
 
2013-01-06 03:42:05 PM  

joonyer: You, the sock, and a Farah Fawcett poster? Yeah, I had real things to do too.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-06 03:43:46 PM  
good luck finding work

the generation behind you is already farked
never mind yours
 
2013-01-06 03:46:24 PM  

timelady: I must be lucky, or doing something right. I have five kids - 26, 20, 18, 11, 9. Not a single self entitled twat. This is how we have raised them:You want it, you work for it. World owes you nothing. Don't like society? Me neither, that's why I work from within it to improve it. Respect other people of you wish to be respected, but not everyone is worthy of your respect. Be a good person, not a shiate. Luck is random, and life is not fair. Who told you to expect fair? Because I said so is perfectly valid while we pay the bills, but we will debate it reasonably if you don't turn into whiny brat. Do not treat me like an idiot if you don't want to be treated as an idiot. A family is a team of people - we work together, we can fight each other, but these are the people who will always have your back, so do not shiate in your own nest. Also, fun is a damn good thing, but so is the satisfaction of working hard at what you love. It took me thirty years before I had worked hard enough to have the luxury of working at what I love, things often have to be earnt. Then they are valued. What gets given has less value. And always apologize if genuinely in the wrong, and once sorry is said and meant, it is over. No grudges held. And we love you deeply - but there is no rule that says we have to like everything you do. We will always be here to support you, but we will tell you if we think t is wrong. You can then make your own mistakes. Anything between consenting adults, fine. Good manners are the social lubricant, apply freely and frequently and things run more smoothly. Even more important to apply it to your own family.It is pretty simple to be a parent. Raise kids you will like as adults. I lucked out. Damn fine, smart kids. And that damn expression is known fondly here as 'cat bum face'.


Did you teach them to use paragraphs or any kind of formatting? "Don't make the same mistakes I did, kids..."
 
2013-01-06 03:47:45 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: The world treats people with simple views a lot better than it does people who try to understand it.


and dumb people are happier. Since I've given up ever being happy or fulfilled, now I wish I was dumber.

/I don't really, but damn, it would make some things easier.
 
2013-01-06 03:47:59 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: The world treats people with simple views a lot better than it does people who try to understand it.


coachotis.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-06 03:56:19 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Who would have though getting 10,000 likes & compliments on a year on Facebook would spoil our teenage girls? You can't expect girls to be humble when EVERYONE tells them how beautiful they look.


You know how I know you didn't read TFA?
 
2013-01-06 03:56:41 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: red5ish: mrlewish: Tell me folks? Do you say that most really successful people didn't take short cuts or sell themselves hard at first even though they probably weren't qualified at the start? Isn't most of success really "fake it till you make it"?

You're absolutely right. The reason most people succeed can be printed on a bumper sticker or chanted at an AA meeting.

The world treats people with simple views a lot better than it does people who try to understand it.


Don't care, still getting a physics PhD, screw you.
 
2013-01-06 03:59:46 PM  
There's a theory that times change.

Not really.

Technology changes. And the effect that those technologies will have on the zeitgeist to come and how our offspring will view, utilize and weave it into their mythology are well thought out by the people who pay to create and develop it.

People don't change much. Just the tools and the toys and the definition of "normal" that we ascribe to their use.
 
2013-01-06 04:05:45 PM  
Don't hang around youngsters.
 
2013-01-06 04:07:15 PM  
In high school they made us read this book about the decline of society, specifically referring to teenagers. It was all blamed on the change of technology making life easier and allowing teens to be more independent. Inventions such as the car were noted as being a major shift in teenagers due to them being able to go out on their own without parental supervision. Television was as well because now the kids were exposed to new information, world views, and lifestyles that might have opposed their parents. Then it discussed the popularization and glorification of rock stars and the introduction of mass marketing to the younger generation. There was a shift that occurred when businesses realized they could market to teenagers and make a lot of money whereas before businesses only marketed towards adults since they were the ones that made the money.

Of course one could always make the argument that it occurred during Queen Victoria's reign when the culture shifted towards seeing children as children and there was a major push towards putting in child labor laws. Thus the concept of a childhood was created as before they were just seen as little adults and expected to behave as such.

Meh, it's all interesting speculative stuff. I'm sure that every advancement in technology makes it worse or perhaps the same level of narcissism as the previous generation only in different ways.
 
2013-01-06 04:27:09 PM  

PillsHere: There was a shift that occurred when businesses realized they could market to teenagers and make a lot of money whereas before businesses only marketed towards adults since they were the ones that made the money.


There is now an entire industry devoted to marketing only to children. It is how the fast food industry took over the country--they realized that selling kids things was an untapped market, and they went after it. Now, I am not a marketing person, and I hate it all with a passion, but think about the ideas that go into marketing and advertising--either convincing a person that they will be a better person if they use this product, or telling someone that they aren't worth a damn unless they have a certain product. And the overall message is "you deserve all of this, you should have it, and without it, you are a lesser person."

So marketing both tells everyone that they are soooo special, they deserve everything, AND that they aren't worth a crap because they don't have enough. Since you never get to the end of "having enough," this message, from cradle to grave, is a great way to create people who will never be happy with what they have and who they are, and also convince them that being self-centered--in order to gain the rich material possessions that will finally make them happy--is the only way to go.

It is an entirely farked-up message, and we wallow in it 24 hours a day. And if you think that advertising and our "American dream" way of life hasn't changed the way you think, I think you'd be wrong. It is designed to change the way we think. And advertisers don't give a fark whether that change is good or bad, just that we consume their products.
 
2013-01-06 04:31:20 PM  

cryinoutloud: There is now an entire industry devoted to marketing only to children. It is how the fast food industry took over the country--they realized that selling kids things was an untapped market, and they went after it. Now, I am not a marketing person, and I hate it all with a passion, but think about the ideas that go into marketing and advertising--either convincing a person that they will be a better person if they use this product, or telling someone that they aren't worth a damn unless they have a certain product. And the overall message is "you deserve all of this, you should have it, and without it, you are a lesser person."

So marketing both tells everyone that they are soooo special, they deserve everything, AND that they aren't worth a crap because they don't have enough. Since you never get to the end of "having enough," this message, from cradle to grave, is a great way to create people who will never be happy with what they have and who they are, and also convince them that being self-centered--in order to gain the rich material possessions that will finally make them happy--is the only way to go.

It is an entirely farked-up message, and we wallow in it 24 hours a day. And if you think that advertising and our "American dream" way of life hasn't changed the way you think, I think you'd be wrong. It is designed to change the way we think. And advertisers don't give a fark whether that change is good or bad, just that we consume their products.


You have just successfully delineated the precise metrics of most of western culture and it's both tidy and terrible. Well done.
 
2013-01-06 04:36:35 PM  

Felgraf: Moreso than the boomers? I find this difficult to believe.


The flies don't hover far from the feces.
 
2013-01-06 04:42:21 PM  

miss diminutive: So wait, expecting to earn $80,000 in my first job out of university was unrealistic? Why then did everyone tell me I was a special snowflake who could accomplish anything I set my mind to?

WHY THEY LIE? WHY?


This. Gets right down to the cause and effect of it all.
 
2013-01-06 04:43:04 PM  

cryinoutloud: PillsHere: There was a shift that occurred when businesses realized they could market to teenagers and make a lot of money whereas before businesses only marketed towards adults since they were the ones that made the money.

There is now an entire industry devoted to marketing only to children. It is how the fast food industry took over the country--they realized that selling kids things was an untapped market, and they went after it. Now, I am not a marketing person, and I hate it all with a passion, but think about the ideas that go into marketing and advertising--either convincing a person that they will be a better person if they use this product, or telling someone that they aren't worth a damn unless they have a certain product. And the overall message is "you deserve all of this, you should have it, and without it, you are a lesser person."

So marketing both tells everyone that they are soooo special, they deserve everything, AND that they aren't worth a crap because they don't have enough. Since you never get to the end of "having enough," this message, from cradle to grave, is a great way to create people who will never be happy with what they have and who they are, and also convince them that being self-centered--in order to gain the rich material possessions that will finally make them happy--is the only way to go.

It is an entirely farked-up message, and we wallow in it 24 hours a day. And if you think that advertising and our "American dream" way of life hasn't changed the way you think, I think you'd be wrong. It is designed to change the way we think. And advertisers don't give a fark whether that change is good or bad, just that we consume their products.


Or, just don't watch so much advertising. Problem solved.
 
2013-01-06 04:52:28 PM  

SDRR: Watching_Epoxy_Cure: CodeMonkey4Life: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

You can't be my age because we weren't just selfish, lazy, and annoying, we were also drunken, irresponsible and destructive.
Or maybe that was just me and the people like me I hung out with, YMMV ;)

You must be my generation--we spent most of our free time, doing drugs, looking for drugs and breaking things...

Yes, usually all at the same time!


Willfully destructive, in my case, explosively.
 
2013-01-06 04:55:18 PM  
If, as the article suggests, this leads to more depressed people, it could be a good thing for the music industry.
 
2013-01-06 04:55:28 PM  
Are you trying to tell me kids don't know how the world works? Because if that's what you're selling, buster, I ain't buying it. Every teenager and 20-something I've ever met knows everything about everything. If they fail, it's because somebody else isn't playing by the rules.
 
2013-01-06 05:09:50 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: [leadingfromtheheart.org image 600x338]

Their parents have done them no favors.


This times eleventy.
 
2013-01-06 05:15:38 PM  

BlaqueKatt: neongoats: I know a 22 year old who is constantly flying into a depression over the fact that she can't yet afford to buy her dream horse farm in the country.

I know a 26 year old that just bought a condo(she can actually afford it), because her mom told her-"you've graduated college, no more free living", and she has had the audacity to complain that her life has been harder than mine, when her parents payed for her entire college education, while mine kicked me out on the street at age 16(I was dating a member of the same gender-that was apparently horrific enough to render me homeless).

Yes how awful, you had to buy a one-bedroom condo, because you didn't have the downpayment for the two bedroom you wanted, that's so much worse than eating out of dumpsters, and sleeping on people's floors while trying to finish high school.


Yes, how awful, because you couldn't figure out how to take care of yourself without resorting to dumpster diving. I bet you let your parents punish you as a child too, way to go.
 
2013-01-06 05:19:03 PM  

technofiend: You forgot cutting in line and expecting everyone to move out of their way to make room for them. I have left more than one millenial or duckface or whatever very disappointed that I would not give up my hard won spot at the front of a general admission concert. Forget giving you personal space, these are people who actually push up against you and expect you to move.


It happened to me at LAX, this biatch walked right up against me at Baggage Claim and expected me to move out of her way. She could have much more easily just gone to the other side of me and retrieved her bags from the unoccupied forty feet of conveyor.
 
2013-01-06 05:37:16 PM  
And don't get me started on their dogs...

petslady.com
 
2013-01-06 06:03:21 PM  

Bobbi Wickham: they act like the whole world must be in college and it's soooo important


Say what you will about kids these days, but this particular complaint is misdirected. Society has been telling these kids that college is the end-all, be-all since they day they were born, and the educational system has provided them with no alternatives.
 
2013-01-06 06:14:53 PM  
"The average IQ is 100. Half the people are even more stupid than that." George Carlin

"Same as it ever was." David Byrne
 
2013-01-06 06:18:06 PM  
I love that the DailyFail articles now seem to attract the right-wing propaganda machine to blame liberals for everything.
 
2013-01-06 06:27:48 PM  

Begoggle: ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....

1, 7, 8, 9, 10
The average of those 5 numbers is 7.
The person with 7 is better than only 1 other person.


The grass is always greener on the other side of the median.
 
2013-01-06 06:28:32 PM  

pissnmoan: "The average IQ is 100. Half the people are even more stupid than that." George Carlin

"Same as it ever was." David Byrne


"Act like a dumbshiat and they'll treat you as an equal." - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs
 
2013-01-06 06:28:46 PM  
Hogwash as usual.

Every generation thinks the young people are a bunch of snits, and every new generation thinks those before are a bunch of stupid old farts, and goes out of its way to gross them out.

In a few years they become parents and everything they have rained on the heads of others falls on their own heads in turn.

\\\ \\\ \\\ There is some justice in the world.
 
2013-01-06 06:29:43 PM  
I consider myself part of Generation Meh.

At least, I would if I cared.
 
2013-01-06 06:36:27 PM  
The most stunning aspect of this new sense of entitlement is the new liberal mantra that hard work is not a factor in success. They keep spreading this self-serving idiocy that successful people are mostly the result of either luck, rich parents, handouts, or dishonesty. Holy sh*t man, these kids are setting themselves up for a lifetime of fail...

To some extent hard work is NOT a factor. When pay rates and productivity got decoupled in the 1980s hard work started getting devalued. If you work hard and get a lot done, the least productive person in your unit gets laid off and you get their work. Your boss (or maybe your boss's boss) gets a bonus for reducing payroll, you get nothing. When review time rolls around, you get a bad review because since you are not able to do 2 people's worth of work, you are not "working up to expectations".

Given that hard work has little to no reward, how would you suggest kids these days gain success? They are screwed and some of them know it, so they concentrate on social networks where they can feel important. Perhaps in a generation or two, people will realize the value of labor and actually be willing to pay for it again as they will no longer be getting people to work hard for free. If so, it will be too late for this generation.
 
2013-01-06 06:45:02 PM  
The pinup artist Elvgren was painting the "duckface" some fifty years ago.

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2013-01-06 06:53:20 PM  

lordjupiter: I wonder if the "same old anti-youth crap every generation" people bothered to read the article. Because, you know, making assumptions with no basis in reality is part of the study.


Exactly.

Twenge: "Here are the results of a cross-temporal meta-analysis encompassing four decades of NPI data collection and thousands of participants."

Fark: "Hurrrrr, every old people says that because I can copypaste a quote from soccer-tease."
 
2013-01-06 06:54:09 PM  

olddinosaur: Every generation thinks the young people are a bunch of snits


Just because they think it does not mean that they're not also correct.

In the last hundred years or so, it's a reality. The growing liberal world has preached over and over to it's kids that they're special, that they deserve X, etc. It's the most literal definition of spoiling children, as most children who hear that crap every day will have higher than rational expectations that inevitably get dashed on the rocks.

It breeds complacency, the belief that benefits/rewards need not be earned. It removes reality, it's as much indoctrination as everyone says religion is.

We need to teach children reality, not feed them with the misinformation that they're super-human and can do whatever they want in life and be good at it. A lot of children only have so much potential. You can't be successful in the modern world on a degree in Basket Weaving with a minor in Tie-dye. Kids, in order to grow up healthy and adapt to adult life, need realistic goals.

Being willfully ignorant to the point of delusionally thinking we live in a better world does no one any favors, and really has more of a negative effect on society, such an effect that would make actual anarchist punks jealous.
 
2013-01-06 06:57:16 PM  
The Daily Fail is exaggerating again. 18-22 year olds have always been solipsistic narcissists except back in the day when everything didn't suck.
 
2013-01-06 07:00:31 PM  

20/20: The pinup artist Elvgren was painting the "duckface" some fifty years ago.

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That is not duckface. That's a painting of a pretty lady either whistling or making a face of shock/dismay, and done well enough to not come off as typical duckface(except to those with faulty perception, apparently), IE an uncomprehending alien trying to mimic a useful expression.

Duckface is an attempt at allure and/or toughness gone wrong. The facial equivalent of some retarded 23 year old's crayon "art" that looks like it was drawn by a 4 year old. Or your attempt at being poignant and perceptive.
 
2013-01-06 07:40:18 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: timelady: I must be lucky, or doing something right. I have five kids - 26, 20, 18, 11, 9. Not a single self entitled twat. This is how we have raised them:You want it, you work for it. World owes you nothing. Don't like society? Me neither, that's why I work from within it to improve it. Respect other people of you wish to be respected, but not everyone is worthy of your respect. Be a good person, not a shiate. Luck is random, and life is not fair. Who told you to expect fair? Because I said so is perfectly valid while we pay the bills, but we will debate it reasonably if you don't turn into whiny brat. Do not treat me like an idiot if you don't want to be treated as an idiot. A family is a team of people - we work together, we can fight each other, but these are the people who will always have your back, so do not shiate in your own nest. Also, fun is a damn good thing, but so is the satisfaction of working hard at what you love. It took me thirty years before I had worked hard enough to have the luxury of working at what I love, things often have to be earnt. Then they are valued. What gets given has less value. And always apologize if genuinely in the wrong, and once sorry is said and meant, it is over. No grudges held. And we love you deeply - but there is no rule that says we have to like everything you do. We will always be here to support you, but we will tell you if we think t is wrong. You can then make your own mistakes. Anything between consenting adults, fine. Good manners are the social lubricant, apply freely and frequently and things run more smoothly. Even more important to apply it to your own family.It is pretty simple to be a parent. Raise kids you will like as adults. I lucked out. Damn fine, smart kids. And that damn expression is known fondly here as 'cat bum face'.

Did you teach them to use paragraphs or any kind of formatting? "Don't make the same mistakes I did, kids..."


Yeah, I did:) But I also write that at 5am on my iPad. I make no apologies. Life is too short to worry, read it or not if you wish:)
 
2013-01-06 07:47:40 PM  
Duckface? I thought that was "I'm sucking your dick" face.
 
2013-01-06 08:06:07 PM  
Can tell how douchey people are by how they vote. Young people almost all vote liberal now, which reflects their character. Entitled, lazy brats.
 
2013-01-06 09:06:41 PM  

mgshamster: cuzsis: Free Radical: Luca de Balzac: From TFA: "A 2006 study found that students suffer from 'ambition inflation' as their increased ambitions accompany increasingly unrealistic expectations.

"Since the 1960s and 1970s, when those expectations started to grow, there's been an increase in anxiety and depression,' Twenge said. 'There's going to be a lot more people who don't reach their goals.' "

BUT I CAN BE ANYTHING I SET YOUR MIND TO, MY PARENTS TOLD ME SO!
I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

Of course you can.

But that doesn't necessarily mean you will. Things happen, stuff doesn't always go as planned, but that doesn't mean you never try.

/your parents told you the truth

And yet, they get blamed when they try to reach their goals, instead of just getting a degree or a job that will work well with the current/future market.  I've heard many on fark call them stupid for daring to do something other than what the market desires.


Yep, but that's the way those things have always gone. Following a dream requires a certain amount of risk both financially, time, money and socially. It's up to you to decide if you want to pony up to it or take a safer road. Long as your honest with yourself about it and have back up plans in case of failure there's really nothing wrong with that.

As far as other people's opinions go, don't bother. Somebody somewhere will hate you regardless of what you do. It shouldn't factor into your decision much/at all.
 
2013-01-06 09:08:17 PM  

omeganuepsilon: miss diminutive: So wait, expecting to earn $80,000 in my first job out of university was unrealistic? Why then did everyone tell me I was a special snowflake who could accomplish anything I set my mind to?

WHY THEY LIE? WHY?

This. Gets right down to the cause and effect of it all.


Because higher education is not longer about education, any more than medicine is about medicine. It's about money. And they sell it to whoever keeps the tank in the BMW full. This is the best advice I can give anybody regarding the machinations of the world.

"ONCE SOMETHING BECOMES PRIMARILY ABOUT MONEY, THE THING IT'S PURPORTED TO BE ABOUT IS THE THING IT USED TO BE ABOUT."

We stopped creating actual wealth, here, a while ago. And the people with access to the traditionally free flowing revenue streams are milking every cow they can til its dry.

And no plans have been made to return it into the economy it's being removed from.
 
2013-01-06 09:10:46 PM  
www.failking.com
 
2013-01-06 09:11:50 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: LegoLewdite: To everyone who finds people more "entitled" today than previous decades/generations, how do you square the circle of competitive GDP in a climate of record unemployment?

Ha. You don't. You don't even think about it in those egghead libby-lib terms. You keep it to the individual and the work ethic you grew up with, and you blame the victim.

Or the increasing polarization of wealth and social inequality since the 70s... Seems to me people are getting by on less than ever...

If you grew up around people who remembered the 1930s, you give less than no farks about the problems of people today. The modern world is paradise, and those who are not measuring up have only themselves to blame.


Really? Because my grandfather is one of them and he is quite sympathetic to folks facing the problems of today.

/hardship can turn you into an empathetic human being or an asshole.
//I don't have time for assholes myself.
 
2013-01-06 09:25:09 PM  
/r/gonewild isn't helping much, either.
 
2013-01-06 10:16:14 PM  

Thunderpipes: Can tell how douchey people are by how they vote. Young people almost all vote liberal now, which reflects their character. Entitled, lazy brats.


Suck a fat one, troll boy. Your character is absolutely lacking. You are weak as a person, as is your sauce.

Why am I paying you to be an entitled idiot?
 
2013-01-06 10:30:51 PM  

McGrits: red5ish: You all get trophies, just for being you.

Your simple statement has finally let me figure out why I hate video game trophies. Back in the day we got trophies for winning and we only had our bragging rights for finishing a video game. There were no trophies for completing level one!

/ I have the crescent hawk LAM miniature from finishing the game
// how is that for a trophy!


www.myrnnyx.com

Phoenix Hawk LAM

I have one, too. Though I painted mine to look like a Skull Squadron Super VF-1S.

brianscache.com
 
2013-01-06 10:41:01 PM  

SDRR: BoothbyTCD: "The next generation is spoiled, and the one after that even more so!" said adults since always.


To be fair, we only have written evidence of this for about 5500 years. Any generation older, we are making conjecture.
 
2013-01-06 10:46:58 PM  
Who left who trillions of dollars in debt whilst refusing to change or lower their own entitlements? Wars fought with contracted armies for false purposes while our educational system flounders and our financial system bursts? That's pretty hard to top.
 
2013-01-06 10:47:09 PM  
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2013-01-06 11:11:16 PM  
I think it comes down to sampling bias. The ones who think they're hot shiat are more likely to crow about it. When I was at UVa in the mid-90s, my suitemates were, on average, the most entitled bunch of farkers I ever met. One of them got a speeding ticket and was SUPER pissed... because his parents would yell at him for it. He wasn't paying for the car, the insurance, the gas or even the ticket, getting yelled at was the worst he had to look forward to. Another got busted for drinking in public while underage -- this worried him a bit because he might not be able to get his medical license later, but no big deal because his dad was a judge and had a high-powered lawyer buddy get the charge dropped. Most of them were getting free rides from their parents and several had nice cars and/or top-of-the-line brand-new PCs bought new for them to start college with. I had to teach some of them how to do laundry -- I don't mean "this is how you set this machine for permanent press", I mean "separate whites and colors, don't pack too much in, and make sure you put the soap in before you start it".

Meanwhile there I was with no car, no parental funding, my two-year-old computer that I saved up half the money for one mowed lawn at a time, and whatever part-time employment I could scrounge. Which was fine, I made my own choices, but it was eye-opening to see just how little idea most of my "peers" had of how life works in the real world. And I in turn made most of the classic mistakes of young people with less financial survival skill than they think, who suddenly need it -- ran up credit cards, bounced checks occasionally, neglected little things like car insurance when I did get a car, etc.

When I look back and really consider the question honestly, the kids that age that I know today come off at least as well as the pack of us did back then.
 
2013-01-06 11:47:13 PM  

cuzsis: i upped my meds-up yours: LegoLewdite: To everyone who finds people more "entitled" today than previous decades/generations, how do you square the circle of competitive GDP in a climate of record unemployment?

Ha. You don't. You don't even think about it in those egghead libby-lib terms. You keep it to the individual and the work ethic you grew up with, and you blame the victim.

Or the increasing polarization of wealth and social inequality since the 70s... Seems to me people are getting by on less than ever...

If you grew up around people who remembered the 1930s, you give less than no farks about the problems of people today. The modern world is paradise, and those who are not measuring up have only themselves to blame.

Really? Because my grandfather is one of them and he is quite sympathetic to folks facing the problems of today.

/hardship can turn you into an empathetic human being or an asshole.
//I don't have time for assholes myself.


Unfortunately, it seems to be their world and we just seem to be living in it.
 
2013-01-07 01:19:39 AM  

WhippingBoy: Does the realization that you're not "special" suddenly hit as a huge, life-changing epiphany? Or is it a slow realization that you gradually come to terms with? Or does it even hit at all?


For me, it was age 28. I realized "Holy Shiat! I'm going to die! If I don't actually accomplish these ideas I have, I'll have done nothing for this world I love"

So now I act meaningfully instead of just "working hard" like a good little serf.
 
2013-01-07 02:03:11 AM  

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how do you even MAKE that farking face?? it's unnatural, is what.
 
2013-01-07 02:22:53 AM  
"The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have
no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all
restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes
for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are
forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress" - Plato
 
2013-01-07 02:30:02 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: "The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have
no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all
restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes
for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are
forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress" - Plato


Well, yeah, t'was ever thus. But that doesn't mean being a self absorbed piece of ass sandpaper is a great idea. : )
 
2013-01-07 03:05:27 AM  

OscarTamerz: The NEA is doing to America's children what the UAW did to America's automobile manufacturing. Thanks!


Get screwed over by incompetent management?

/complaint of a schoolteacher I know: administration refused to support her when parents complained that their snowflake earned bad grades
 
2013-01-07 03:25:17 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: The most stunning aspect of this new sense of entitlement is the new liberal mantra that hard work is not a factor in success. They keep spreading this self-serving idiocy that successful people are mostly the result of either luck, rich parents, handouts, or dishonesty. Holy sh*t man, these kids are setting themselves up for a lifetime of fail...


Or "The Secret".
 
2013-01-07 03:43:54 AM  

edmo: Six hours of studying? How does anyone get by on that?


Easier classes.
 
2013-01-07 03:47:04 AM  
highest proportion of women ever in college. highest level of narcissism ever in college. hmmmm........ could there be a connection?
 
2013-01-07 03:49:27 AM  

mike_d85: Fark Rye For Many Whores: AliceBToklasLives: This just in: Young people are selfish, lazy, and annoying.

/except when I was young
//we were all responsible, respectful, and shiat

Am I the only one who's going to admit I couldn't stand the kids when I was one of them? Then again I had "real things" to do.

Define "kids". I hated college students when I was one. None of them knew how to take care of themselves. It was amazing. The dorms regularly had fires because people would microwave metallic objects.
I don't mean like a fork, I mean like stovetop popcorn.


Wow, what POS school did you go to?
 
2013-01-07 03:51:17 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....

That would make your kid "median"


Median is a type of average.
 
2013-01-07 06:04:34 AM  

Abacus9: Lionel Mandrake: ggecko: But, if I tell my kid he is "average", that means he is "better" than 155,000,000 people (and that's just the US).....

That would make your kid "median"

Median is a type of average.


And also intelligence/grades tend to follow a bell curve, so it is reasonable to assume the median and mean will be pretty similar over such a large population.
 
2013-01-07 06:29:04 AM  
Never mind the "millennials," studies show that "Generation Duckface" is even more shallow, entitled, spoiled and narcissistic

Thanks for that helpful advice Subby, I will make sure to "nevermind" those studies, not that I don't make a habit out of ignoring "scientific data" whose source is the Daily Fail on a regular basis already.
 
2013-01-07 06:55:14 AM  
The last time I snapped at a college student that she should "stop farking around" with her phone and pay attention during class or not show up at all, she sent an email to the departmental secretary saying her daddy was a lawyer and she wanted me fired because she now "didn't feel safe in the classroom."

fark 'em, I say.
 
2013-01-07 07:39:17 AM  
Hilarious how the comments here fit right in with the study's findings. Another "kids today" headline, and automatically assume it's just old people biatching when in fact it's young people answering questions about themselves, in comparison with their actual abilities.

I'm sure all the dismissers have researched this themselves, are familiar with the work of some of the mentioned scientists, and are not at all so narcissistic and shallow that they believe their HAZMAT shiat doesn't stink.

Fark: Where Science is King...unless it undermines the egocentric denial we need to troll each other.
 
2013-01-07 09:38:44 AM  

omeganuepsilon: olddinosaur: Every generation thinks the young people are a bunch of snits

Just because they think it does not mean that they're not also correct.

In the last hundred years or so, it's a reality. The growing liberal world has preached over and over to it's kids that they're special, that they deserve X, etc. It's the most literal definition of spoiling children, as most children who hear that crap every day will have higher than rational expectations that inevitably get dashed on the rocks.

It breeds complacency, the belief that benefits/rewards need not be earned. It removes reality, it's as much indoctrination as everyone says religion is.

We need to teach children reality, not feed them with the misinformation that they're super-human and can do whatever they want in life and be good at it. A lot of children only have so much potential. You can't be successful in the modern world on a degree in Basket Weaving with a minor in Tie-dye. Kids, in order to grow up healthy and adapt to adult life, need realistic goals.

Being willfully ignorant to the point of delusionally thinking we live in a better world does no one any favors, and really has more of a negative effect on society, such an effect that would make actual anarchist punks jealous.


Those incompetant Libs are all powerful, I tell ya!!!! Libs! LIBS!!!!!
 
2013-01-07 09:39:32 AM  
The Parental Paradox, likley starting with Depression era folks:

Year 1: "I want life to be better for my kids. I want them to have all the stuff I never had. I never want them to stuggle and suffer like I did."

Year 20: "The youth of today are soft. They do not know how to work for anything and expect stuff to be handed to them. They need to learn to suffer a bit to build a spine."
 
2013-01-07 09:43:43 AM  

gunther_bumpass: BuckTurgidson: [i14.photobucket.com image 545x409]
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how do you even MAKE that farking face?? it's unnatural, is what.


So you think the facial expresion is the unnatural part? Nothing about the (chemical) skin tone and hair?
 
2013-01-07 09:52:12 AM  

NCg8r: Those incompetant Libs are all powerful, I tell ya!!!! Libs! LIBS!!!!!


I know a lot of people where I work who think they're special- who think "reality doesn't apply to me- because I'm me".

Curiously enough, very few of those people are very liberal-minded, at all.

Hell, what is "being all bootstrappy" about if it isn't the notion that your own personal will to do a thing can overcome all odds against about if it isn't promoting the idea that supreme arrogance is a functional substitute for real professional assets any day of the week?

On a stranger note? Sometimes it does work. Just not all the time.
 
2013-01-07 10:36:53 AM  

SanjiSasuke: I imagine a big part of the drop in scores is the participation rate. Used to be only the "best" would go to colleges, so there were few that were not good enough to be there, and there was little incentive to separate the good from the bad in college. Now that 'less qualified' individuals are going, they drag the scores down.


Oh, that's okay. We'll just inflate the grades!
 
2013-01-07 10:49:48 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: LegoLewdite: To everyone who finds people more "entitled" today than previous decades/generations, how do you square the circle of competitive GDP in a climate of record unemployment?

Ha. You don't. You don't even think about it in those egghead libby-lib terms. You keep it to the individual and the work ethic you grew up with, and you blame the victim.

Or the increasing polarization of wealth and social inequality since the 70s... Seems to me people are getting by on less than ever...

If you grew up around people who remembered the 1930s, you give less than no farks about the problems of people today. The modern world is paradise, and those who are not measuring up have only themselves to blame.


I was blessed to work as a personal assistant for a 95-year-old man in my early twenties. I know the truth about humans, what we've done, what we're capable of. I wish everyone could spend a few weeks with someone who's been to hell and back.
 
2013-01-07 11:09:10 AM  
i1.ytimg.com

You're going to be an ugly lady. You'll probably be fat and work as a cashier and no one is going to want to marry you. You see, parents aren't allowed to tell the truth about certain things. Now don't cry. Don't be upset. I don't want to see you crying. You really want to be famous?
 
2013-01-07 11:26:56 AM  
Nothing is more stupid than pants around the knees. Nothing. Not even duckface.
 
2013-01-07 12:18:31 PM  

syberpud: gunther_bumpass: BuckTurgidson: [i14.photobucket.com image 545x409]
[i14.photobucket.com image 420x546]
[i14.photobucket.com image 515x313]
[i14.photobucket.com image 400x300]

how do you even MAKE that farking face?? it's unnatural, is what.

So you think the facial expresion is the unnatural part? Nothing about the (chemical) skin tone and hair?



Ah, fark. No matter what you say, some dumbass will be along in moments to argue over something blindingly obvious.
 
2013-01-07 12:25:15 PM  

carnifex2005: Pretty sure this story has been written about every "generation" since the beginning of time.


and yet oddly still true every time
 
2013-01-07 12:29:24 PM  

harbingerofdoom: and yet oddly still truepeople are still gullible enough to believe it every time


FIFTY.
 
2013-01-07 01:17:17 PM  
90% of anything is shiat.

The same goes for humans.
 
2013-01-07 04:08:41 PM  

shortymac: 90% of anything is shiat.

The same goes for humans.


I'd say more 50/50, maybe even less, 20/80. In effect it's worse than that, but as a basic rating it changes amongst individuals.

You may have the right idea about X, but the other aspects you're a total farktard about, and in others yet you're average.

But the next guy, He's got the right idea about Y, W, and z, but is a farktard about a majority of other things, and average in very little.

The variations are endless, so overall compatibility is something more steeply like people being 90% shiatty farktards, but isn't representative of any random individual.

/and really, I'm only posting at all because fark will not let the +1 go away until there's a new post
//grumbles
 
2013-01-07 04:29:13 PM  

omeganuepsilon: shortymac: 90% of anything is shiat.

The same goes for humans.

I'd say more 50/50, maybe even less, 20/80. In effect it's worse than that, but as a basic rating it changes amongst individuals.

You may have the right idea about X, but the other aspects you're a total farktard about, and in others yet you're average.

But the next guy, He's got the right idea about Y, W, and z, but is a farktard about a majority of other things, and average in very little.

The variations are endless, so overall compatibility is something more steeply like people being 90% shiatty farktards, but isn't representative of any random individual.

/and really, I'm only posting at all because fark will not let the +1 go away until there's a new post
//grumbles


My special version of Fark lets me click the +1, close the window, reopen, and then there's no +1. It makes me happier than your non-special Fark could ever possibly make you.
 
2013-01-07 05:09:04 PM  

Wangiss: My special version of Fark lets me click the +1, close the window, reopen, and then there's no +1. It makes me happier than your non-special Fark could ever possibly make you.


Gee, you are funny!
/sarcasm

Meh, it's a known bug with fark's whole +1 system. Once in a while, no matter how many times I open a thread (as I do from my user profile 'recent' page), it will not update as a seen post. I recall someone saying it's cookie related, but it does it not matter which computer in the house I use(and on the same threads). Besides, I hate clearing cookies, as that's what keeps me logged in to fark and email and such

When a new post rolls in(as is usually the case in a busy thread), the bug gets pushed to the side and goes away. In slower threads where the problem arises, It will go away if I make a post.

I try to let it go untill someone else posts, but my OCD kicks in if it's been too long and I've got to get rid of it.
 
2013-01-07 05:46:59 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Wangiss: My special version of Fark lets me click the +1, close the window, reopen, and then there's no +1. It makes me happier than your non-special Fark could ever possibly make you.

Gee, you are funny!
/sarcasm

Meh, it's a known bug with fark's whole +1 system. Once in a while, no matter how many times I open a thread (as I do from my user profile 'recent' page), it will not update as a seen post. I recall someone saying it's cookie related, but it does it not matter which computer in the house I use(and on the same threads). Besides, I hate clearing cookies, as that's what keeps me logged in to fark and email and such

When a new post rolls in(as is usually the case in a busy thread), the bug gets pushed to the side and goes away. In slower threads where the problem arises, It will go away if I make a post.

I try to let it go untill someone else posts, but my OCD kicks in if it's been too long and I've got to get rid of it.


blogs.westword.com
 
2013-01-08 12:06:50 PM  
Both employers and women in the US rate 'confidence' as the most important thing they look for in an employee or mate.

'Clothing' is rated as the #1 reason for not giving a job offer to an interviewee in the US.

These facts may or may not relate to the article; you decide.


/wised-up egghead/Boy Scout
 
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