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(College Basketball Talk)   ANOTHER top recruit chooses Kentucky helping set up the best recruiting class of all time. *yawn* Just another day in the Big Blue Nation   (collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com ) divider line
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2013-01-06 11:46:05 AM  
Is it wrong that I'm okay with this trend? I'm a pro fan, not a college fan, so I like that I only have to pay attention to the same couple schools every year to see most of the upcoming lottery picks.
 
2013-01-06 11:48:29 AM  
Drew submitting links?
 
2013-01-06 02:10:02 PM  
Well, since Kentucky fans can't brag about this season, might as well focus on next season...

/my team is doing worse than expected too, though
 
2013-01-06 02:11:03 PM  
If the NBA went the baseball route, the college game would be better and less corrupt (as much as possible) and the NBA can remain the same superstar-felating big-market favoring Vince McMahon league it's been since 1985.
 
2013-01-06 02:21:41 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: Is it wrong that I'm okay with this trend?


I don't think so. I'm no Calipari fan, but, aside from your own explanation, I can't fault anyone for being so transparent with such a strategy.

It's not like recruiting future Nobel Laureates and having a 100% graduation rate will keep your job as a coach if you don't win often at most schools.
 
2013-01-06 02:26:39 PM  
As Bobby Cremins once said, "Kentucky doesn't rebuild, they reload".
 
2013-01-06 02:44:10 PM  
Do they have commas in Kentucky?
 
2013-01-06 02:49:23 PM  

DBrandisNC: Do they have commas in Kentucky?


We ain't no comma-nist!
 
2013-01-06 02:53:02 PM  

That_Dude: Well, since Kentucky fans can't brag about this season, might as well focus on next season...

/my team is doing worse than expected too, though


Yeah, except UK is doing exactly how we the fans expected, and are actually excited to see how the team grows by the end of the season. This team reminds me of the 2010-2011 team that peaked at the right time and made a final four run
 
2013-01-06 02:54:32 PM  
I say skip college entry completely and go straight to D-League or better yet Euro ball. Get a paycheck and get to work. All the one year rental does is make elite prospects a biatch to the NCAA.
 
2013-01-06 03:44:30 PM  

vial: I say skip college entry completely and go straight to D-League or better yet Euro ball. Get a paycheck and get to work. All the one year rental does is make elite prospects a biatch to the NCAA.

Elite

prospects. Then you've got everyone else. You've also got every no-shot kid that only found out after he skipped college that he wasn't cut out for the NBA. A whole slew of guys looked at the bling being thrown around by Shaq and Kobe and Jordan and Barkley and figured that's what they should be doing too. Then they skip college, end up as the last guy on the bench and get sent in only in garbage time to get posterized by the likes of Luc Richard Mbah A Moute, and get drummed out in a year to... well, they can't do college ball anymore, now can they? And college ball was their primary path to college. So now what the hell do they do?

That's why the one-year requirement is there. It inconveniences the lottery picks at Kentucky, but it might save the futures of a lot more guys down in the likes of Chicago State and Monmouth and Eastern Washington.
 
2013-01-06 03:47:15 PM  

Gosling: That's why the one-year requirement is there. It inconveniences the lottery picks at Kentucky, but it might save the futures of a lot more guys down in the likes of Chicago State and Monmouth and Eastern Washington.


It also maintains the feeder platform for the NCAA and provides future pro talent the kind of visibility that the March Madness formula can provide, rather than having them play in the D-League or Europe, where American audiences won't get to see them on television.  No decision made by the modern National Collegiate Athletic Association has anything to do with the best interests of student-athletes.
 
2013-01-06 03:55:42 PM  

Mike_LowELL: It also maintains the feeder platform for the NCAA and provides future pro talent the kind of visibility that the March Madness formula can provide, rather than having them play in the D-League or Europe, where American audiences won't get to see them on television. No decision made by the modern National Collegiate Athletic Association has anything to do with the best interests of student-athletes.


Well, that's the other thing. Sure, you have Kobe Bryant come out of high school, but the NBA didn't really like the idea of risking draft picks on all the Jonathan Benders that were hidden alongside the Kobe Bryants. High school doesn't give an ideal scouting platform. It's pretty easy for a prospect to dominate his local assortment of random future furniture salesmen and guys pressured to go out and get themselves some extracirriccular activity for the college resume. It's after you sift those people out and get amongst people who can actually play basketball a little bit that you start getting some actual information.
 
2013-01-06 04:10:35 PM  

Gosling: Well, that's the other thing. Sure, you have Kobe Bryant come out of high school, but the NBA didn't really like the idea of risking draft picks on all the Jonathan Benders that were hidden alongside the Kobe Bryants. High school doesn't give an ideal scouting platform. It's pretty easy for a prospect to dominate his local assortment of random future furniture salesmen and guys pressured to go out and get themselves some extracirriccular activity for the college resume. It's after you sift those people out and get amongst people who can actually play basketball a little bit that you start getting some actual information.


As far as I know, every team now has a D-League affiliate.  My confusion is why they don't adopt the baseball approach wholesale and let the kid sit in purgatory for a year if it's necessary for teaching him.  Then again, I guess the nature of NBA contracts (particularly first-round guaranteed contracts) don't make that feasible.
 
2013-01-06 04:15:11 PM  

babysealclubber: That_Dude: Well, since Kentucky fans can't brag about this season, might as well focus on next season...

/my team is doing worse than expected too, though

Yeah, except UK is doing exactly how we the fans expected, and are actually excited to see how the team grows by the end of the season. This team reminds me of the 2010-2011 team that peaked at the right time and made a final four run


Here, here.

Got a buddy that keeps asking what's going on with them and my response is "Is it March yet?"

/the Louisville game stung though
 
2013-01-06 04:52:51 PM  
John Calipari teams are so dirty, they make the 1990 Runnin' Rebel UNLV team look clean.

/Have fun vacating 2009 to whenever Calipari dumps you to ruin another college, Kentucky fans!
 
2013-01-06 05:00:21 PM  
I miss the days when the SEC just cheated and bought their way through football. Then they did it to baseball. Now they're doing it to basketball.

Woohoo. Thanks Disney.
 
2013-01-06 05:20:56 PM  

WittyTagHere: John Calipari teams are so dirty, they make the 1990 Runnin' Rebel UNLV team look clean.

/Have fun vacating 2009 to whenever Calipari dumps you to ruin another college, Kentucky fans!


Omg you are so original and cool. And butthurt
 
2013-01-06 05:22:11 PM  

ole prophet: babysealclubber: That_Dude: Well, since Kentucky fans can't brag about this season, might as well focus on next season...

/my team is doing worse than expected too, though

Yeah, except UK is doing exactly how we the fans expected, and are actually excited to see how the team grows by the end of the season. This team reminds me of the 2010-2011 team that peaked at the right time and made a final four run

Here, here.

Got a buddy that keeps asking what's going on with them and my response is "Is it March yet?"

/the Louisville game stung though


Yeah, but only to me because UK should have won (damn free throws). But, going in, I didn't expect UK to win, so that helped.
 
2013-01-06 05:53:40 PM  
Go pro out of HS or go to college for 3-4 years. If you're good enough to get drafted at 18 over 21 or 22 year olds, then the NBA will (should) know this. If not, then go to college and home your game and get March Madness attention. If you're not good enough after that, well, that's a nice fancy free degree you got, there.
 
2013-01-06 05:58:32 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Go pro out of HS or go to college for 3-4 years. If you're good enough to get drafted at 18 over 21 or 22 year olds, then the NBA will (should) know this. If not, then go to college and home your game and get March Madness attention. If you're not good enough after that, well, that's a nice fancy free degree you got, there.


This.

The NCAA should find a way to cockblock David Stern's bullshiat 19 year old rule.
 
2013-01-06 07:41:23 PM  

babysealclubber: WittyTagHere: John Calipari teams are so dirty, they make the 1990 Runnin' Rebel UNLV team look clean.

/Have fun vacating 2009 to whenever Calipari dumps you to ruin another college, Kentucky fans!

Omg you are so original and cool. And butthurt


So, all those Final Four appearances that never happened at Cal's other programs actually did happen? I mean, as far as the NCAA is concerned?

TMYK*

I can't wait for college basketball to finish its slide towards irrelevance. I know THE COMMISH really likes to have his cake and eat it too, but at some point, college basketball as a minor league for the pros will come to an end, and none too soon.
 
2013-01-06 08:33:24 PM  

PowerSlacker: .

The NCAA should find a way to cockblock David Stern's bullshiat 19 year old rule.


And risk not being able to cash in on exceptional free labor?  Yeah, that won't happen.
 
2013-01-06 09:10:52 PM  
why not make the rule as this.

1) HS graduates can go into the draft. but whatever number you are drafted, the first 2 years of your pro career you make league minimum.

1 year in college - league minimum + (league min * .25) = salary
2 years league minimun + (league min * .50) = salary

and so on. if you complete 4 years then you can get the biggest contract you can.
 
2013-01-06 11:35:16 PM  
i love that after the ND vs BAMA game tomorrow night, all the focus will be on why is duke #1?

look how easy the schedule of duke was: 1) GA State, 2) Kentucky, 3) Florida Gulf Coast. three chumps yes.

they haven't played anyone since those first 3 games.
 
2013-01-07 03:12:38 AM  

PowerSlacker: This.

The NCAA should find a way to cockblock David Stern's bullshiat 19 year old rule.


Maybe do it like baseball does. You can declare out of high school if you think you're so hot, and if things aren't panning out like you thought, you can pull out before draft day. But once you skip your high-school-graduation-class draft and go to college, you're locked out of the draft for four years.
 
2013-01-07 08:01:00 AM  

Byno: babysealclubber: WittyTagHere: John Calipari teams are so dirty, they make the 1990 Runnin' Rebel UNLV team look clean.

/Have fun vacating 2009 to whenever Calipari dumps you to ruin another college, Kentucky fans!

Omg you are so original and cool. And butthurt

So, all those Final Four appearances that never happened at Cal's other programs actually did happen? I mean, as far as the NCAA is concerned?

TMYK*

I can't wait for college basketball to finish its slide towards irrelevance. I know THE COMMISH really likes to have his cake and eat it too, but at some point, college basketball as a minor league for the pros will come to an end, and none too soon.


Neither one had anything to do with Cal cheating to get players or paying players. TMYK, farker
 
2013-01-07 09:24:00 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: why not make the rule as this.

1) HS graduates can go into the draft. but whatever number you are drafted, the first 2 years of your pro career you make league minimum.

1 year in college - league minimum + (league min * .25) = salary
2 years league minimun + (league min * .50) = salary

and so on. if you complete 4 years then you can get the biggest contract you can.


I don't think you have really worked the math out there...
 
2013-01-07 12:29:42 PM  

Gosling: Maybe do it like baseball does. You can declare out of high school if you think you're so hot, and if things aren't panning out like you thought, you can pull out before draft day. But once you skip your high-school-graduation-class draft and go to college, you're locked out of the draft for four years.


That's not actually how it works, but you're close. College players at 4-year schools are draft eligible after their junior year - they're only locked out for 3 years. If they're going to a junior college, they're draft eligible every year. That's what Bryce Harper did, just recently - he wanted to get paid, so he got a GED and went to JuCo for a year to learn to hit with a wooden bat. Some guys get drafted right out of juco, but plenty just use it as a springboard into a four year school if they don't get drafted. Tom Seaver played a year of JuCo before moving to USC and then the Mets.

Of course, hockey can be just as confusing, with the difference between NCAA and the pro minors in Canada and elsewhere, not to mention their draft policy. I still haven't completely figured that one out, except that there are an incredible number of ways for talented hockey players to get to the top.
 
2013-01-07 01:21:14 PM  

babysealclubber:

Neither one had anything to do with Cal cheating to get players or paying players. TMYK, farker


So, Derrick Rose was an automatic qualifier? Lou Roe too? And the hookers and grocery money Marcus Camby got were all above-board?

Wow, again, TMYK*
 
2013-01-07 01:42:59 PM  

Byno: babysealclubber:

Neither one had anything to do with Cal cheating to get players or paying players. TMYK, farker

So, Derrick Rose was an automatic qualifier? Lou Roe too? And the hookers and grocery money Marcus Camby got were all above-board?

Wow, again, TMYK*


Oh wait, I forgot, Calipari was in the room when Derrick Rose took the test and knew beforehand the NCAA would rule a player ineligible after clearing him twice. What a scumbag.
 
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