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(AlterNet)   Seven different double-blind and placebo-controlled studies conducted over the past five years show the DEA is lying when they claim marijuana has no accepted medical use   (alternet.org) divider line 36
    More: Obvious, placebo-controlled study, double-blind, study period, Davies Medical Center, marijuana, neuropathic pain  
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2013-01-06 12:25:08 PM  
6 votes:
It doesn't matter if there is the slightest positive use for marijuana. It should be legal because adults should be free to do what they like with their bodies and the social cost of prohibition vastly exceeds the social cost of drug abuse.

Negotiating for your freedom based on the basis of studies like these is futile (and probably counterproductive) because it presupposes that the prohibition could be valid if the studies went the other way.

Much like getting wrapped up in arguments about procreation or societal norms or what the bible says in regard to gay marriage - it's all irrelevant because ultimately it's just nobody else's business and our government is supposed to be founded on the basis of securing the blessings of liberty, not making us all safe from ourselves or keeping the neighbors from making us feel icky.
2013-01-06 12:18:37 PM  
6 votes:
Cannabis remains illicit because legalization would gore the profits of the prison, pharma, police, and alcohol industries.
2013-01-06 12:16:50 PM  
4 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

The laws require approval from the federal government before performing tests. Do you think this might create a conflict of interest for researchers?


The Federal Government has thrice burnt your money on similar studies.
All unanimously, can we say a "consensus"?, agreed.
All recommended decriminalization. All counted areas of medical use.
These studies support the documentation of marijuana use, safely, by humans for ALL of recorded time.

But your government has spearheaded the worldwide criminalization of this harmless, medical wonder for 80 years because they KNOW what is best for you.

What is worse, not one of the lying sociopaths will take the high ground and fess up.
2013-01-06 12:10:57 PM  
4 votes:
The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.
2013-01-06 02:06:09 PM  
2 votes:

a_room_with_a_moose: SunsetLament: They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.

As I said before, that is like saying Vitamin C is good for you but orange juice is harmful.

Ridiculous argument.


And a complete red herring in the larger discussion about prohibition.

Focus on liberty people. If you try to argue point by point for the benefits of being granted a little freedom, you'll never get anywhere meaningful.
2013-01-06 01:59:50 PM  
2 votes:

SunsetLament: They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.


As I said before, that is like saying Vitamin C is good for you but orange juice is harmful.

Ridiculous argument.
2013-01-06 01:34:07 PM  
2 votes:
My favorite thought experiment: Monsanto develops a GMO THC free line of hemp and sees if they can get a license to grow it.

/Will big Agra be the first to get a legal growing license since WWII?
//Who will burn down their HQ first: stoners, enviromentalists, or cotton/paper companies?
2013-01-06 12:28:22 PM  
2 votes:

StopLurkListen: I'm pro-legalization but for Gawdsakes we Americans are plenty stupid as it is, we don't need pharmacological help in making us stupider.


Marijuana use affects different people differently.  People who have very active minds often use it as a concentration aid because it helps the thoughts to come out one at a time instead of in a big jumble.

If you are already stupid then no. Pot wont help you.
2013-01-06 12:13:18 PM  
2 votes:
As someone who has chronic pain and smokes weed, I am not surprised at all.

/do not live in a state with medical marijuana laws
2013-01-06 12:04:30 PM  
2 votes:
Let's see...our current president and his two predecessors are all documented to have used weed, cocaine, and God knows what else. If the dope is so bad for you, how come you can still become President after being a user? These user were definitely NOT losers!
2013-01-06 11:59:30 AM  
2 votes:
I wish more people knew about jury nullification. These studies would help a lot of people in criminal trials.
2013-01-06 04:15:33 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Well, it's true. There are no medical uses the DEA recognizes.

There are no uses for the DEA.
2013-01-06 02:38:06 PM  
1 votes:

JesseL: And a complete red herring in the larger discussion about prohibition.

Focus on liberty people. If you try to argue point by point for the benefits of being granted a little freedom, you'll never get anywhere meaningful.


Pay attention to this JesseL guy and learn to cut to the chase.

Nicely done.
2013-01-06 02:33:44 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

I call shenanigans.


No, there are studies, just not very many. It's extremely difficult to get funding for marijuana studies, especially ones that have the potential to show help. Further, all marijuana used in these studies comes from the same farm at Ole Miss (IIRC, it's Ole Miss) and is limited to really low-grade weed. All study weed has to be sourced from the DEA and it's very difficult to get this. For an account of the red tape involved (albeit with a different drug), see Dr. Rick Strassman's book DMT: The Spirit Molecule. I think he details it in chapter 2.
2013-01-06 02:03:27 PM  
1 votes:
Also wanted to mention that Marinol did very little to combat chemo nausea but the real deal worked wonders for the people I know that have gone through it.

Perhaps there are other components to pot that have medicinal value.
2013-01-06 12:54:11 PM  
1 votes:
Well happily we are making real strides in legalization now. I think its safe to say that within 10 years it will be regulated much like tobacco. If Elizabeth Warren would endorse full legalization she would have the 2016 election wrapped up.

It is a simple question we should put to every political candidate. "Do you support marijuana legalization?"
2013-01-06 12:50:30 PM  
1 votes:
I use it as a sleep aid, a headache aid, but 99 percent of the time, i like getting stoned.
2013-01-06 12:46:41 PM  
1 votes:

Barbecue Bob: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.

As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.


Because kudzu grows way too fast.

/hey, you asked about ANY plant.
2013-01-06 12:41:47 PM  
1 votes:

Barbecue Bob: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.

As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.


If you live next door to me, you can't have one of those exotic tropical flowers that smells like rotting meat for two weeks when it blossoms. Other than that, though, we're cool.
2013-01-06 12:38:22 PM  
1 votes:

DoBeDoBeDo: Wrong tests done. You have to prove that money brought in from legalizing it > money brought in from "warring" against it.

Do that and the right lobbiests will make sure congress approves it.

Science is just a side show to that.


Exactly. The analgesic properties are secondary. People don't use drugs unless they are in some way effective in creating a psychological or physical change. The pharmacological properties of MJ are assumed by most, but are irrelevant to lawmakers compared to the financial argument. If they cared about a cost/benefit analysis in terms of health, then cigarettes would be illegal and maybe alcohol too.
2013-01-06 12:31:16 PM  
1 votes:

DoBeDoBeDo: Wrong tests done. You have to prove that money brought in from legalizing it > money brought in from "warring" against it.

Do that and the right lobbiests will make sure congress approves it.

Science is just a side show to that.


I think thats been done but its a moot point. Because the people who make money off it now have enough power and cash to keep things they way they are.
2013-01-06 12:28:27 PM  
1 votes:
Wrong tests done. You have to prove that money brought in from legalizing it > money brought in from "warring" against it.

Do that and the right lobbiests will make sure congress approves it.

Science is just a side show to that.
2013-01-06 12:25:17 PM  
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.


As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.
2013-01-06 12:23:44 PM  
1 votes:
People still believe the government would not lie to us about 9/11.
2013-01-06 12:23:34 PM  
1 votes:
weed is fun, and it's a shiat ton less destructive than alcohol.

/just stating the obvious
2013-01-06 12:21:34 PM  
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.


As do the illegal drug cartels themselves.
2013-01-06 12:14:40 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-06 12:14:19 PM  
1 votes:
The DEA exists to protect approved routes for approved drug warlord families

... and to whack competition trying to weasel in.
2013-01-06 12:08:55 PM  
1 votes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhetoric_of_Drugs
2013-01-06 12:06:00 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.


The laws require approval from the federal government before performing tests. Do you think this might create a conflict of interest for researchers?
2013-01-06 12:05:18 PM  
1 votes:
DEA claims marijuana has no accepted medical use because they do not accept it.  Facts are irrelevant.
2013-01-06 12:01:19 PM  
1 votes:
We can't even grow hemp in this country. I guess it doesn't have any industrial use.
2013-01-06 12:00:55 PM  
1 votes:
deja vous all over again from what, the 1940's when the President then had definitive tests done in Switzerland? several televised documentaries tell of this.
2013-01-06 12:00:08 PM  
1 votes:
Short of marijuana magically eliminating the estate tax, it's never gonna be rescheduled.
2013-01-06 11:56:16 AM  
1 votes:
I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

I call shenanigans.
2013-01-06 11:55:55 AM  
1 votes:
I never would have expected this.
 
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