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(AlterNet)   Seven different double-blind and placebo-controlled studies conducted over the past five years show the DEA is lying when they claim marijuana has no accepted medical use   (alternet.org) divider line 101
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2013-01-06 11:55:55 AM
I never would have expected this.
 
2013-01-06 11:56:16 AM
I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

I call shenanigans.
 
2013-01-06 11:56:44 AM
Well color me stoned.
 
2013-01-06 11:57:22 AM
Accepted? That might be a critical word in your headline subby. Just because it has actual evidence based use and benefits, 'accepted' means something there.

/Legalize it, tax it, stop the stupid
//Never smoked it once
 
2013-01-06 11:57:34 AM
Well, it's very simple. These studies don't count because they show the DEA is lying about marijuana having no accepted medical use. What's so hard to understand about that?
 
2013-01-06 11:59:30 AM
I wish more people knew about jury nullification. These studies would help a lot of people in criminal trials.
 
2013-01-06 11:59:41 AM
Have you ever had problematic nerve pain...........ON WEED?
 
2013-01-06 12:00:08 PM
Short of marijuana magically eliminating the estate tax, it's never gonna be rescheduled.
 
2013-01-06 12:00:55 PM
deja vous all over again from what, the 1940's when the President then had definitive tests done in Switzerland? several televised documentaries tell of this.
 
2013-01-06 12:01:19 PM
We can't even grow hemp in this country. I guess it doesn't have any industrial use.
 
2013-01-06 12:01:38 PM
Go ahead you dirty hippies, keep trying to come up with rationalizations for your selfish desire to get stoned out of your gourds.
 
2013-01-06 12:02:28 PM
WHY do people (especially farkers) assume there is some kind of justice or fairness in the world? We have MILLENIA of evidence to the contrary. People are naturally evil. It takes religion and deterrents and death penalties to keep people from doing what they are naturally programmed to do.

THERE IS NO JUSTICE. MJ is a medicinal plant. It can't be regulated so the taxing system would rely on the honor code. Oh yeah, and it naturally keeps people from wanting to do aforementioned evil things. Which would cripple the judicial industrial complex. It's too good to be true legal.

/resistance is futile.
 
2013-01-06 12:03:36 PM
That's weird. You just don't expect the government to lie to us about stuff like this. Well suck me sideways!
 
2013-01-06 12:03:41 PM
That means that weed is automatically presidenet now, right?
 
2013-01-06 12:04:30 PM
Let's see...our current president and his two predecessors are all documented to have used weed, cocaine, and God knows what else. If the dope is so bad for you, how come you can still become President after being a user? These user were definitely NOT losers!
 
2013-01-06 12:05:18 PM
DEA claims marijuana has no accepted medical use because they do not accept it.  Facts are irrelevant.
 
2013-01-06 12:06:00 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.


The laws require approval from the federal government before performing tests. Do you think this might create a conflict of interest for researchers?
 
2013-01-06 12:07:41 PM
Legalizing it would damage the health of a vast government bureaucracy and no amount of neuropathic pain relief is worth that, so obviously this can't be an accepted medical use.
 
2013-01-06 12:08:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhetoric_of_Drugs
 
2013-01-06 12:10:31 PM
Generally you extract the active ingredient to minimize the incidence of allergies and eliminate potential side effects from growth conditions and other bits of the plant. So it's entirely feasible for this to be used in creating new pain relievers without actually legalizing smoking the plant raw, as it were.
 
2013-01-06 12:10:57 PM
The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.
 
2013-01-06 12:13:18 PM
As someone who has chronic pain and smokes weed, I am not surprised at all.

/do not live in a state with medical marijuana laws
 
2013-01-06 12:14:19 PM
The DEA exists to protect approved routes for approved drug warlord families

... and to whack competition trying to weasel in.
 
2013-01-06 12:14:40 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-06 12:16:50 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

The laws require approval from the federal government before performing tests. Do you think this might create a conflict of interest for researchers?


The Federal Government has thrice burnt your money on similar studies.
All unanimously, can we say a "consensus"?, agreed.
All recommended decriminalization. All counted areas of medical use.
These studies support the documentation of marijuana use, safely, by humans for ALL of recorded time.

But your government has spearheaded the worldwide criminalization of this harmless, medical wonder for 80 years because they KNOW what is best for you.

What is worse, not one of the lying sociopaths will take the high ground and fess up.
 
2013-01-06 12:17:31 PM
Oxycodone production is up 1200 percent. It's never gonna be legalized as long as the money is there.
 
2013-01-06 12:17:49 PM

Jim_Callahan: Generally you extract the active ingredient to minimize the incidence of allergies and eliminate potential side effects from growth conditions and other bits of the plant. So it's entirely feasible for this to be used in creating new pain relievers without actually legalizing smoking the plant raw, as it were.


Not if it is illegal to study.
 
2013-01-06 12:18:37 PM
Cannabis remains illicit because legalization would gore the profits of the prison, pharma, police, and alcohol industries.
 
2013-01-06 12:18:54 PM
Well, it's true. There are no medical uses the DEA recognizes.
 
2013-01-06 12:21:27 PM
I have fibromyalgia and it definitely mkes a difference for me. I don't smoke a ton of it either, maybe a half gram daily.
 
2013-01-06 12:21:34 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.


As do the illegal drug cartels themselves.
 
2013-01-06 12:22:11 PM
I'm pro-legalization but for Gawdsakes we Americans are plenty stupid as it is, we don't need pharmacological help in making us stupider.
 
2013-01-06 12:23:34 PM
weed is fun, and it's a shiat ton less destructive than alcohol.

/just stating the obvious
 
2013-01-06 12:23:44 PM
People still believe the government would not lie to us about 9/11.
 
2013-01-06 12:25:08 PM
It doesn't matter if there is the slightest positive use for marijuana. It should be legal because adults should be free to do what they like with their bodies and the social cost of prohibition vastly exceeds the social cost of drug abuse.

Negotiating for your freedom based on the basis of studies like these is futile (and probably counterproductive) because it presupposes that the prohibition could be valid if the studies went the other way.

Much like getting wrapped up in arguments about procreation or societal norms or what the bible says in regard to gay marriage - it's all irrelevant because ultimately it's just nobody else's business and our government is supposed to be founded on the basis of securing the blessings of liberty, not making us all safe from ourselves or keeping the neighbors from making us feel icky.
 
2013-01-06 12:25:17 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.


As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.
 
2013-01-06 12:25:24 PM

StopLurkListen: I'm pro-legalization but for Gawdsakes we Americans are plenty stupid as it is, we don't need pharmacological help in making us stupider.


Yes, because what America needs is less tenancy towards stopping for a second to introspect, we should just keep on with the endless, meaningless stimulus and stimulants.
 
2013-01-06 12:28:22 PM

StopLurkListen: I'm pro-legalization but for Gawdsakes we Americans are plenty stupid as it is, we don't need pharmacological help in making us stupider.


Marijuana use affects different people differently.  People who have very active minds often use it as a concentration aid because it helps the thoughts to come out one at a time instead of in a big jumble.

If you are already stupid then no. Pot wont help you.
 
2013-01-06 12:28:27 PM
Wrong tests done. You have to prove that money brought in from legalizing it > money brought in from "warring" against it.

Do that and the right lobbiests will make sure congress approves it.

Science is just a side show to that.
 
2013-01-06 12:30:00 PM
Yeah, but the P value of suicides was staggering .056, and the P value of rapes was even ore worrying at .062.
 
2013-01-06 12:31:16 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Wrong tests done. You have to prove that money brought in from legalizing it > money brought in from "warring" against it.

Do that and the right lobbiests will make sure congress approves it.

Science is just a side show to that.


I think thats been done but its a moot point. Because the people who make money off it now have enough power and cash to keep things they way they are.
 
2013-01-06 12:36:07 PM
AlterNet published this? Unreal.
 
2013-01-06 12:38:22 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Wrong tests done. You have to prove that money brought in from legalizing it > money brought in from "warring" against it.

Do that and the right lobbiests will make sure congress approves it.

Science is just a side show to that.


Exactly. The analgesic properties are secondary. People don't use drugs unless they are in some way effective in creating a psychological or physical change. The pharmacological properties of MJ are assumed by most, but are irrelevant to lawmakers compared to the financial argument. If they cared about a cost/benefit analysis in terms of health, then cigarettes would be illegal and maybe alcohol too.
 
2013-01-06 12:38:33 PM
i1303.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-06 12:41:47 PM

Barbecue Bob: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.

As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.


If you live next door to me, you can't have one of those exotic tropical flowers that smells like rotting meat for two weeks when it blossoms. Other than that, though, we're cool.
 
2013-01-06 12:43:14 PM

Barbecue Bob: [i.imgur.com image 200x150]


seriously; who the fark is that guy?
 
2013-01-06 12:43:38 PM

JesseL: It doesn't matter if there is the slightest positive use for marijuana. It should be legal because adults should be free to do what they like with their bodies and the social cost of prohibition vastly exceeds the social cost of drug abuse.

Negotiating for your freedom based on the basis of studies like these is futile (and probably counterproductive) because it presupposes that the prohibition could be valid if the studies went the other way.

Much like getting wrapped up in arguments about procreation or societal norms or what the bible says in regard to gay marriage - it's all irrelevant because ultimately it's just nobody else's business and our government is supposed to be founded on the basis of securing the blessings of liberty, not making us all safe from ourselves or keeping the neighbors from making us feel icky.


Favorited.
 
2013-01-06 12:46:41 PM

Barbecue Bob: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.

As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.


Because kudzu grows way too fast.

/hey, you asked about ANY plant.
 
2013-01-06 12:47:07 PM
Pause for a moment,,,
What if the aliens are here for the pot?
 
2013-01-06 12:49:17 PM
And oddly enough.. not one of those studies has been proven yet by studies that attempt to reproduce the results! Did you know there are studies that show reduced brain function, schizophrenia, paranoia, heart problems, lung damage (from those inhaling and holding it), suppresses the immune system? How about this, it should be approved for medicinal use when it has been PROVEN by secondary studies and then, due to side effects, only proscribed by a doctor with harsh penalties for misuse (like any other controlled drug).
 
2013-01-06 12:49:50 PM

jso2897: Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.


I would also be pretty pissed if he was planting Kudzu (or bringing in a new, foreign, invasive species) in his yard, too.
 
2013-01-06 12:50:30 PM
I use it as a sleep aid, a headache aid, but 99 percent of the time, i like getting stoned.
 
2013-01-06 12:51:56 PM
Does not matter. The derp is strong with this one.
 
2013-01-06 12:54:11 PM
Well happily we are making real strides in legalization now. I think its safe to say that within 10 years it will be regulated much like tobacco. If Elizabeth Warren would endorse full legalization she would have the 2016 election wrapped up.

It is a simple question we should put to every political candidate. "Do you support marijuana legalization?"
 
2013-01-06 12:55:01 PM
everytime.

http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=P A LL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6630507.PN.&O S=PN/6630507&RS=PN/6630507
 
2013-01-06 12:58:11 PM

Barbecue Bob: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.

As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.


Invasive species allowed to escape a severely controlled area (like a greenhouse).

/Other than that, plant to your heart's content.
 
2013-01-06 01:00:06 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

I call shenanigans.


I know he's controversial - but I'm not aware of laws against studying Michael Jackson.
 
2013-01-06 01:05:31 PM

Breygon: Barbecue Bob: [i.imgur.com image 200x150]

seriously; who the fark is that guy?


Fark's favorite news anchor, Ric Romero. He's well known for reporting on things that are ridiculously obvious or fads past their peak.
 
2013-01-06 01:07:51 PM
Please just legalize the shiat so the unwashed, unshaven, masses will shut the fark up.

Oh and come up with a valid breathalyser test for it.
 
2013-01-06 01:19:46 PM
A pain reliever you dont need put into a pill form and inflated to ridiculous price levels? Color me stoned.
 
2013-01-06 01:20:03 PM
Think about it, what does the DEA stop the most? Marijuana, it leads to the bigger fish that sell hardcore drugs. If marijuana becomes legal, they will lose funding and have agents out of jobs.
 
2013-01-06 01:33:36 PM

marcunk: Think about it, what does the DEA stop the most? Marijuana, it leads to the bigger fish that sell hardcore drugs. If marijuana becomes legal, they will lose funding and have agents out of jobs.


Won't someone PLEASE think of the jack-booted thugs!
 
2013-01-06 01:34:07 PM
My favorite thought experiment: Monsanto develops a GMO THC free line of hemp and sees if they can get a license to grow it.

/Will big Agra be the first to get a legal growing license since WWII?
//Who will burn down their HQ first: stoners, enviromentalists, or cotton/paper companies?
 
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2013-01-06 01:41:47 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Wrong tests done. You have to prove that money brought in from legalizing it > money brought in from "warring" against it.


It's worse than that, you not only have to prove greater monies, but also that those monies will go in the same pockets as when it's illegal, otherwise those deep pockets won't let change happen..
 
2013-01-06 01:47:19 PM
Guys GUYS GUYS! Were not doing the pot thing any more, were doing guns this year. Get with the program and start arguing about guns please. Pot can have another shot in a few years.
 
2013-01-06 01:51:19 PM
media.comicvine.com
 
2013-01-06 01:52:18 PM
They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.
 
2013-01-06 01:59:50 PM

SunsetLament: They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.


As I said before, that is like saying Vitamin C is good for you but orange juice is harmful.

Ridiculous argument.
 
2013-01-06 02:03:27 PM
Also wanted to mention that Marinol did very little to combat chemo nausea but the real deal worked wonders for the people I know that have gone through it.

Perhaps there are other components to pot that have medicinal value.
 
2013-01-06 02:05:41 PM
"Bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy."

- Oscar Wilde

What most people in this thread are talking about is Billions in Agricultural and Pharmaceutical opportunities.

The DEA is generating Hundreds of Billions in Military, Judicial, Legal and Penal enterprises. The "War on Drugs" has been VERY profitable for the bureaucracy. With a higher conviction rate and lower violence ratio compared to Coke or Heroin, it is unlikely they will give up their cash cow. They will take every opportunity to demonize the Evil Weed.

/ With the Alcohol and Tobacco lobbies against it I dont see it ever being "Legal" just decriminalized.
 
2013-01-06 02:06:09 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: SunsetLament: They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.

As I said before, that is like saying Vitamin C is good for you but orange juice is harmful.

Ridiculous argument.


And a complete red herring in the larger discussion about prohibition.

Focus on liberty people. If you try to argue point by point for the benefits of being granted a little freedom, you'll never get anywhere meaningful.
 
2013-01-06 02:21:17 PM

kroonermanblack: /Legalize it, tax it, stop the stupid


FTFY.

It doesn't need to be taxed.
 
2013-01-06 02:23:57 PM

unitednihilists: Oh and come up with a valid breathalyser test for it.


I find this a ridiculous prerequisite.
 
2013-01-06 02:31:47 PM

JesseL: a_room_with_a_moose: SunsetLament: They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.

As I said before, that is like saying Vitamin C is good for you but orange juice is harmful.

Ridiculous argument.

And a complete red herring in the larger discussion about prohibition.

Focus on liberty people. If you try to argue point by point for the benefits of being granted a little freedom, you'll never get anywhere meaningful.


Your jib is finely cut.
/sign me up for your newsletter please
 
2013-01-06 02:33:44 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

I call shenanigans.


No, there are studies, just not very many. It's extremely difficult to get funding for marijuana studies, especially ones that have the potential to show help. Further, all marijuana used in these studies comes from the same farm at Ole Miss (IIRC, it's Ole Miss) and is limited to really low-grade weed. All study weed has to be sourced from the DEA and it's very difficult to get this. For an account of the red tape involved (albeit with a different drug), see Dr. Rick Strassman's book DMT: The Spirit Molecule. I think he details it in chapter 2.
 
2013-01-06 02:38:06 PM

JesseL: And a complete red herring in the larger discussion about prohibition.

Focus on liberty people. If you try to argue point by point for the benefits of being granted a little freedom, you'll never get anywhere meaningful.


Pay attention to this JesseL guy and learn to cut to the chase.

Nicely done.
 
2013-01-06 02:39:35 PM

JesseL: Focus on liberty people. If you try to argue point by point for the benefits of being granted a little freedom, you'll never get anywhere meaningful.


Welcome to my favorite's list.
 
2013-01-06 02:44:08 PM
I'm not a doctor. Marijuana may or may not be an effective medicine - although it certainly seems to be in many cases.
But either way - I don't want the already nearly bankrupt government wasting resources (my tax dollars) on the suppression of a minor social intoxicant. And when given the opportunity to say so at the polls, I always will.
I suspect I'm not alone in this attitude.
 
2013-01-06 03:36:17 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: WHY do people (especially farkers) assume there is some kind of justice or fairness in the world? We have MILLENIA of evidence to the contrary. People are naturally evil. It takes religion and deterrents and death penalties to keep people from doing what they are naturally programmed to do.

THERE IS NO JUSTICE. MJ is a medicinal plant. It can't be regulated so the taxing system would rely on the honor code. Oh yeah, and it naturally keeps people from wanting to do aforementioned evil things. Which would cripple the judicial industrial complex. It's too good to be true legal.

/resistance is futile.


I would say religion and death penalties are just furtherances of that evil, not deterrences to it.
 
2013-01-06 03:41:23 PM

jso2897: I'm not a doctor. Marijuana may or may not be an effective medicine - although it certainly seems to be in many cases.
But either way - I don't want the already nearly bankrupt government wasting resources (my tax dollars) on the suppression of a minor social intoxicant. And when given the opportunity to say so at the polls, I always will.
I suspect I'm not alone in this attitude.


I have MS, my neurologist graduated second in his class from Johns Hopkins, he has indicated that though he can't endorse use of marijuana, it isn't any more harmful than the baclofen I'd otherwise be taking for my spasms, and is certainly more helpful than the Neurontin I was on for years until it was revealed that Pfizer had faked many of the studies used to bolster it's off-label prescriptions. I'd say if the FDA and Surgeon General's office aren't going to actively help me, by stopping scams like Pfizer's before they take years away from me, the least they could do is stay the f@!k out of my way.

Neurontin: Business will do everything alright in the long run.
Marijuana: Government needs to be in your neurologists office.
ACA opponents: Government needs to be there to tell your doctor what to do, but being there to pay for it would violate your privacy.
 
2013-01-06 03:42:43 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I thought the pro MJ side said these don't exist because of the laws against studying MJ.

I call shenanigans.


You thought wrong. The Feds won't sponsor or approve studies into the positive effects of cannabis. These studies were conducted without federal assistance in places where medical cannabis is legal or outside of US jurisdiction.
 
2013-01-06 03:54:09 PM

jso2897: I'm not a doctor. Marijuana may or may not be an effective medicine - although it certainly seems to be in many cases.


I am not a doctor either, but I am a licensed caregiver by the state department of health with training related to pain management. Cannabis products without a doubt and with scientific evidence do provide relief to patients and are proven to be of use and value. However due to political and legal issues we can't help patients use cannabis products. Patients are taking less prescription medications and painkillers, and are more self-sufficient using cannabis. Their outcomes would be even better if doctors would be allowed to participate without fear of reprisal from the federal government.

Officially... (This is by policy and not necessarily by statute,) people do not have a right to be free from suffering and pain. The political needs and requirements of the government and the legal status-quo supersede that of any individual. (At least how it was explained to me in my class.)

/The Marinol pill is much more expensive and less effective with more side effects.
 
2013-01-06 04:03:59 PM
when I watch movies, it seems to be very acceptable to use it. if the movies I see tell me it's okay then it should be okay.
 
2013-01-06 04:04:11 PM

SunsetLament: They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.


a_room_with_a_moose: Also wanted to mention that Marinol did very little to combat chemo nausea but the real deal worked wonders for the people I know that have gone through it.

Perhaps there are other components to pot that have medicinal value.



The only active ingredient in Marinol is synthetic delta-9 THC. Marijuana contains the natural version as well as many other cannabinoids, some of which have been shown to have their own medical benefits.
TMYK...
 
2013-01-06 04:15:33 PM

wildcardjack: Well, it's true. There are no medical uses the DEA recognizes.

There are no uses for the DEA.
 
2013-01-06 04:19:42 PM
Thanks for the TF sponsorship Inspector5! Much appreciated.
 
2013-01-06 04:27:13 PM

JesseL: a_room_with_a_moose: SunsetLament: They're not claiming that all aspects of marijuana have no accepted medical use. They are are claiming that the part of marijuana with a medicinal effect (the THC) is readily available in a regulated measurable prescribable pill form and, therefore, there is no medical use for a marijuana plant. It's an important difference most potheads don't understand.

As I said before, that is like saying Vitamin C is good for you but orange juice is harmful.

Ridiculous argument.

And a complete red herring in the larger discussion about prohibition.

Focus on liberty people. If you try to argue point by point for the benefits of being granted a little freedom, you'll never get anywhere meaningful.


The problem for some of us is that the legalize it people are for legalizing it and taxing the heck out of it... why is it the kind of drug that's effective for neuropathic pain should be heavily taxed, but the kind for old-people arthritis pain enjoys tax free status... I already pay extra taxes for being gay and not being able to jointly file, why should I now also have to pay extra taxes because my disease (MS) isn't as popular?
 
2013-01-06 04:39:03 PM

JesseL: Thanks for the TF sponsorship Inspector5! Much appreciated.


My small part in giving a lager voice to a well stated truth.
 
2013-01-06 04:42:03 PM

MrBentor: jso2897: I'm not a doctor. Marijuana may or may not be an effective medicine - although it certainly seems to be in many cases.

I am not a doctor either, but I am a licensed caregiver by the state department of health with training related to pain management. Cannabis products without a doubt and with scientific evidence do provide relief to patients and are proven to be of use and value. However due to political and legal issues we can't help patients use cannabis products. Patients are taking less prescription medications and painkillers, and are more self-sufficient using cannabis. Their outcomes would be even better if doctors would be allowed to participate without fear of reprisal from the federal government.

Officially... (This is by policy and not necessarily by statute,) people do not have a right to be free from suffering and pain. The political needs and requirements of the government and the legal status-quo supersede that of any individual. (At least how it was explained to me in my class.)

/The Marinol pill is much more expensive and less effective with more side effects.


You're not going to get any argument from me on this - for one thing, my knowledge of the research is sketchy, and for another, my own anecdotal experience supports your view. But if the government simply bowed out, and allowed weed to be treated as a legal, adult social intoxicant, the whole argument would be moot.
 
2013-01-06 05:50:54 PM
They're fascists.

Fascists have to lie.

They know that the moment you figure out the truth, you'll want their heads on pikes.
 
2013-01-06 06:05:55 PM
If anyone needs me I'll be busy the rest of the night doing "independent research" on this topic.
 
2013-01-06 06:53:28 PM

Ima4nic8or: Go ahead you dirty hippies, keep trying to come up with rationalizations for your selfish desire to get stoned out of your gourds.


I'll drink to that!
 
2013-01-06 07:10:14 PM
It took a lot of hard work to get the Cannibus initiative on the Ballot in Washington state, many people here are still convinced that privatizing liquor sales will cause the price of booze to go down. I mean what would Hellen Keller think of us in Washington for legalizing gay marriage?

The courts said that my "Force Dirty Hippies to bathe" initiative is unconstatutional. But isn't that what they said about Margo Kidder?


Even though they don't have to hide in the closet anymore the republicans say they do so because they don't want their Neighbors to know.

Dirty Hippies!
 
2013-01-06 07:39:59 PM
There aren't any really good reasons to keep it illegal.Legalize, regulate, tax, save billions on interdiction,prosecution, imprisonment.Strictly a win, win situation as far as I can tell.
 
2013-01-06 08:25:23 PM
So, has Jack's Total Lack of Surprise shown up yet?

The Govt has Patents for medical uses for MJ. They are on public file.

No, no medical value and a terrible thing for adults to use.
 
2013-01-06 10:15:20 PM

Urbanfarmr: There aren't any really good reasons to keep it illegal.Legalize, regulate, tax, save billions on interdiction,prosecution, imprisonment.Strictly a win, win situation as far as I can tell.


The for-profit prison industry frowns upon your shenanigans.
 
2013-01-06 11:26:15 PM

Barbecue Bob: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.

As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.


If you were my neighbor, I'd ask you nicely not to plant habaneros too close to my bell peppers. If your pot is any good, I would ply you with cocktails, home brewed beer, and various succulent grilled meats to obtain a clone or two of your plants.

/I'm a pretty good neighbor
 
2013-01-07 08:32:39 AM
Everyone keeps complaining that marijuana should be legal, but those same people keep electing democrats and republicans, who are responsible for keeping marijuana illegal.
 
2013-01-07 09:20:13 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: And oddly enough.. not one of those studies has been proven yet by studies that attempt to reproduce the results!


Protip: arguments are more effective when they are not easily disproven.
 
2013-01-07 11:29:35 AM

Barbecue Bob: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The DEA is being paid huge amounts of money to find no medical use. Pfizer, Merck, etc love the drug war, as does Budweiser.

As does Upjohn and all the big pharm, tobacco, Cotton, timber, private prisons jailers, lawyers, the justice system in general, ATF, don't forget the cartels and other various local/regional growers and dealers near you. Include all the support industry for those mentioned.

Sigh... Pot should be free to grow just for being human. If you can grow dandilions, you can grow high grade pot.
This topic is in the top 5 dumbest arguements of human kind IMO

You want to sell it? Pay a tax or whatever. You want to grow it? It should have the same rules as lettuce.

I'd like to have a chat with anyone who thinks they can convince me why I should not be allowed to own any plant on earth I want for private use.
I'll wait.


I can understand why they ban some highly-spreadable weeds like kudzu in places... not so much mj though... some of those weeds have taken over entire counties in the south (idk if there is an analog for the north), killing all the local vegetation, decimating the wildlife. Generally, I'm ok with you owning whatever you want, with the proviso that you can manage to keep contained on land you own..
 
2013-01-07 11:31:53 AM

Xenomech: Everyone keeps complaining that marijuana should be legal, but those same people keep electing democrats and republicans, who are responsible for keeping marijuana illegal.


It's a blanace out here... the democrats want to let me marry and have equal rights as straight people (the faux-libertarians don't), the libertarians want to let me have weed (the democrats don't)... fortunately, amendment 64 passed, so that problem is a thing of the past.
 
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