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2013-01-06 09:03:13 AM
13 votes:

Haliburton Cummings: especially when I let them know that we saved their asses back in the big one

Hahahahahahahaha...


I love the British for their role in WWII. They got hammered hard and repeatedly. They were dealt more punishment than we've ever felt in the U.S. and they refused to roll over. They fought like farking heroes from beginning to end.

I also love that they had our back all the way through the whole Iraq thing. Granted, I think we made a terrible mistake but they showed their support while we were at our worst. That's what they mean when they say "through thick and thin".
2013-01-06 03:42:46 AM
9 votes:
That author was trying way, way, way too hard.
2013-01-06 08:51:23 AM
7 votes:
"And it follows that what we also do to ourselves is to relentlessly equate America with Americans, and the US government with its electorate - conflations we wouldn't dream of making in the case of the German or Greek peoples."

I am glad to hear someone finally say this. It persists even after the W years. About half of the people from foreign countries that I meet assume I'm a racist, Christian cowboy. It is even more annoying now that Obama has won in a landslide TWICE.

I also in some ways feel like I have a relationship with my country that is similar to one with a sibling. I give America lots of crap for loving ignorance and bigotry and rampant consumerism, but I live here, I know the score. It infuriates me when people who have never set foot here presume to tell me about all of my flaws by association.

I actually really like Tim Minchin, but it's stuff like this that really annoys me. I've got the ridicule of these people under control Tim, you deal with your own.
2013-01-06 07:41:38 AM
7 votes:
TL:DR version of TFA: I got a dictionary for Christmas.
2013-01-06 09:16:17 AM
6 votes:

Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.


david_gaithersburg: Once I learned of The Royal Bun Toss I lost what little respect I still had left for my British cousins, it also provided me with a vivid modern day reminder of why we took up arms to fight for human dignity and freedom.


Do people come up with this way of thinking themselves or is it fed to them in schools? USA and Britain have been friends and allies for 198 years. In the 19th century American trade was made possible by the British fleet's protection. Even the War of Independence had many supporters in Britain.
2013-01-06 08:29:47 AM
6 votes:
The British view of Americans is probably more accurate than the American view of the British.
2013-01-06 09:05:36 AM
5 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Growing up my neighbors hosted exchange students. One thing that none of them realized was the sheer size of the USA. They assumed you could drive anywhere in a day or so


Mutual understanding: Hey, Americans, 100 years is not old; hey, Europeans, 100 miles is not far.
2013-01-06 07:34:10 AM
5 votes:
Do the British tell lies about the American Healthcare system like their for-profit cousins across the pond do about them?
2013-01-06 03:45:59 AM
5 votes:
I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

/Does the House of Lords still make the House of Commons come in and grovel before the Queen every year?
2013-01-06 09:59:53 AM
4 votes:

markfara: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I was in London in 2012 and the people there couldn't have been nicer . . . .

That's interesting. My own experience has been that Londoners are right up there with Philadelphia residents when it comes to rilludeness.


I grew up in the Philadelphia region. Now I have the displeasure of living in the Atlanta area. I too was in London in 2012. I absolutely loved London and its people - because they reminded me of Philly/New York/Boston. I felt very at home there and did not want to go back to Atlanta. Philadelphians are not rude, just brutally honest. In my travels, I've come to find that people don't want the honest truth, just some sugar coated, PC, BS version. This is especially true in the South. In Philly, I am just telling you like it is. In Atlanta, I am intimidating people.

/Bless your heart
2013-01-06 08:13:46 AM
4 votes:
What a horribly written article. Seems like he was actively trying to be as heavy handed as humanly possible for what should've been a fluff piece. I'd have happily read this as a light hearted piece. Ths just shows up the British as stuffy, anally retentive morons who see no fun in anything.

/British
//Bring on the overplayed dental jokes
2013-01-06 08:10:04 AM
4 votes:
I do love a nice cup of Earl Grey, and love Fish and Chips. I do thank the British for these two delightful things in my life. Oh, and I almost forgot, "Top Gear".
2013-01-06 07:45:55 AM
4 votes:
Faded empires a prone to introspection. The current top dog prone to extroversion. The first half of the 21st century will be a period of American introspection and Chinese extroversion, just as the latter half of the 20th was American extroversion and British introspection.
2013-01-06 07:37:18 AM
4 votes:
"The spectacle of US democracy in action is at once ridiculed and revered over here. Looked at one way it is an unholy combination of demagoguery and plutocracy, what with its pork-barrelling politicians soliciting corporate donations for prime time television advertising."

Never has a truer sentence ever been spoken.
2013-01-06 07:28:31 AM
4 votes:
just tried to read it, and frankly couldn't be bothered
2013-01-06 09:26:21 AM
3 votes:

Bungles: miss diminutive: Are they still sore over losing their empire and being reduced to pawns in the geopolitical game?

Give it a few decades, my young American padawan, and you'll understand.


I'm Canadian....the Monopoly boot of the geopolitical chess-board. We always understand.
2013-01-06 08:54:48 AM
3 votes:
Growing up my neighbors hosted exchange students. One thing that none of them realized was the sheer size of the USA. They assumed you could drive anywhere in a day or so
2013-01-06 08:31:34 AM
3 votes:
Got a few paragraphs in before I realized that I don't much care what the English think about anything.
2013-01-06 08:07:03 AM
3 votes:
You know what the Americans think of the British?

"Keep pouring out your Potter and Who, we love that shiat."

/Of course, they also produced Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock, so they're not all bad.
2013-01-06 07:34:49 AM
3 votes:

letrole: just tried to read it, and frankly couldn't be bothered


Good choice. Article goes nowhere.
2013-01-06 01:23:06 PM
2 votes:
Hell, "Across the Pond". Do we use that term for any other country? It's like talking about your friend across the street. I don't think we are that familiar with fricking Canada and they share a land border.
2013-01-06 12:21:00 PM
2 votes:

Mr. Shabooboo: And yet, you miss the point.. For someone in the U.K. to know the political goings on of, say, Romania
is no big deal simply because of geography. People in Nebraska probably know some of what is going
on in North Dakota or Oklahoma..And yet those distances would be no different than that of London
to Bucharest. Just because our states are not differentiated countries with different languages doesn't
mean a person in "insular". How much do you think the average London dweller would know of the
day to day comings and goings in Guinea Bissau? Probably about as much as anyone in the U.S.
or Canada would! It's a false analogy to equate knowledge of happenings in X number of countries to "insulation".


What do you mean "because of geography"? Do you think that someone in London somehow absorbs the political situation in Romania through magic because it's "only" 2500kms away? Or is information somehow harder to absorb the further it is from its origin?

It's nothing to do with geography, it's to do with a specifically American insularism. Just look at Australia. The average Australian has a comparatively very solid understanding of global affairs, and they're close to no-one but dolphins and some uninhabited Japanese islands.
2013-01-06 12:05:14 PM
2 votes:

ATRDCI: To be completely fair, those of us in. say. Texas receive this same treatment from other Americans. A bit different in the lyrics perhaps but the second verse is the same as the first. As disgusting as the "Real America" shiat is, it is at least partially an (admittedly delayed) reaction to the fact that anyone who happens to not be in the South assumes everyone down here is an ignorant racist who is lucky they can tie their shoes, or is at best a copy of Rick Perry or W. Yes, there is racism and ignorance down here, but to pretend it isn't everywhere is just asinine.
/obviously not everyone has these assumptions or vocalizes them


That's all true, of course, and the internet brings out the inner asshole in everyone, so if there's one idiot out there saying stupid things, he's the guy with the prolific posting status. People like to generalize and root for "their side," no matter what the subject is, and if there is no "side" they'll just make one up. But there is something weird about the Brits and us, and it's more than just that whole Revolutionary War thing.

whatshisname: I was born in Europe, live in Canada and have traveled extensively in the US. My experience has always been that Americans are far more insular and uninformed abut the rest of the world than Europeans.


You ever think that that might have something to with Europe being right over there with "the rest of the world," while Americans are out here by ourselves, with Canada and Mexico as our neighbors?

If I lived surrounded by the rest of Europe and many other countries, and was connected to them by a long history as well as geographic positioning, I'd probably know a lot more about "the rest of the world" than most Americans do too. It's not a big thing for Europeans to go to other countries--they can go visit two or three a day. No wonder they know more about their neighbors.
2013-01-06 11:15:08 AM
2 votes:
Brits suffer from the same problem everyone in Europe suffers from in their view of the US. They compare the UK to the US and Germany to the US and France to the US and Luxembourg to the US. It just doesn't scale. Europeans should be comparing Europe to the US.

Europe's landmass is about the size of the southern US states. Europe's population is more than double that of the US. The UK is the size of Oregon and has about the population of California, Texas and New York combined. Germany should compare itself to Montana landwise but can add Pennsylvania and Ohio to the UK's list of US states population wise.

Point is, Europeans insist on comparing their country to this other country that is so dominate culturally, politically and economically, and its just silly.

These arguments are frequently made during discussions of buildout of public transportation, broadband, public health services. They further demonstrate many Europeans lack of understanding of geography outside their own continent. It's not an anti-American thing. They make the same arguments to Australians, failing to understand how big that place is.
2013-01-06 11:11:56 AM
2 votes:

topcon: It's just "a thing" to bash Americans, because everyone in the rest of the world is so commonly blasted with American pop culture.


I started reading (and commenting) on The Guardian some time ago. I was hoping to get some points of view outside of Fark, and guess what I found out? They farking hate us. It's the weirdest thing--they're completely obsessed with the U.S. (America), but only to put us down. The Brits followed the American elections more closely than most of us did, and they were full of opinions. We all suck, we are bloodthirsty, fat, stupid, only interested in our own country, and ignorant of the rest of the world. (Try looking in the mirror, posters).

So now I spend most of my time on the Guardian blasting ignorant Brits for being ignorant. I'd like to comment on some meaningful things, but it's hard to get past the whole "It's America, so expect the stupid response, followed by a bomb" attitude a lot of them have. Doesn't anything happen in their own country they can be concerned about?

I spend most of my time here ranting about how stupid and farked up the U.S. is, but holy crap---I've never such vitriol about minor subjects that have absolutely no impact on their lives and aren't even taking place in the same country. I might not LOVE America, but I'm not going to let a bunch of pasty wankers tear down my country when they're equally as ignorant as a lot of people here are.
2013-01-06 10:39:55 AM
2 votes:
Same as everyone else said... Dbag who just found a thesaurus... But one sentence really struck me as true:

"t follows that what we also do to ourselves is to relentlessly equate America with Americans, and the US government with its electorate - conflations we wouldn't dream of making in the case of the German or Greek peoples."

This! I used to love intl travel, I was like the poster child for the ANTI-Ugly American, doing what everyone claims they wish more Americans did (travel out of the US, be respectful, learn other languages and cultures), but everywhere I went, I got hammered over the intricacies of how the US government runs, and why we do X in our foreign policy (also, why are you Americans so fat?). It was like I was the single embodiment of the US, a focal point for all anti-US harangues.

And then... You know how long it's been since I've lived abroad? Maybe the two might be related? Like the article said, Americans get conflated with our government in a way no other country does, and it's absurd. And (pardon the whine) outright annoying.
2013-01-06 10:09:34 AM
2 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I love the British for their role in WWII. They got hammered hard and repeatedly. They were dealt more punishment than we've ever felt in the U.S. and they refused to roll over. They fought like farking heroes from beginning to end.


They did, but it's nothing compared to what the Russians went through.
2013-01-06 09:55:10 AM
2 votes:

Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.


No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.
2013-01-06 09:04:09 AM
2 votes:

miss diminutive: Are they still sore over losing their empire and being reduced to pawns in the geopolitical game?


Yet the City of London, with its dangerously extreme financial deregulation, has again become the financial capital of the world.
2013-01-06 08:50:16 AM
2 votes:

miss diminutive: Are they still sore over losing their empire and being reduced to pawns in the geopolitical game?



Give it a few decades, my young American padawan, and you'll understand.
2013-01-06 08:42:40 AM
2 votes:
British people are largely exposed to American people through what's exported (good TV, bad beer) and trips to Florida.

No wonder their impressions are so farked up.
2013-01-06 08:29:10 AM
2 votes:

furterfan: I imagine that the thought process, prior to writing that 'article', went something like 'I need to write something where I can show off my amazing new dictionary, and use words like conniptions and tmesis'


It comes off like a sophomore journalism major trying to shoehorn in big words and sound self important.
2013-01-06 08:28:24 AM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Do the British tell lies about the American Healthcare system like their for-profit cousins across the pond do about them?


Basically, yes. Here it is a common belief that if you get run over by a car in the USA the ambulance paramedics check your wallet for a health insurance card and if you don't have one they move you out of the middle of the road and leave you there to die.
2013-01-06 08:24:11 AM
2 votes:

planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x195]

It took the genius of America to recognize that with a little extra hammering and spannering the motor car could be converted into the motor home. But, the Brits think we're a bit odd for doing it. (new window)


Probably because they live on an overbuilt island. Not a whole swath of a major continent with miles and miles of uninhabited country.
2013-01-06 08:16:22 AM
2 votes:

Triumph: /Does the House of Lords still make the House of Commons come in and grovel before the Queen every year?


At the opening of Parliament the representative of the Queen has the door slammand in his face and has to knock before the Commons allow him in.
2013-01-06 08:09:05 AM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Do the British tell lies about the American Healthcare system like their for-profit cousins across the pond do about them?


It took someone from England to explained to me what Obama Care was all about. "They are regulating your medical insurance industry." Great. We couldn't our own media explain it so clearly.
2013-01-06 08:05:12 AM
2 votes:

tshauk: I think we just found the British Dennis Miller.


I couldn't put my finger on what was bugging me about the article, but I think you nailed it.

It's the same annoying style that Tycho from penny-arcade developed. I used to enjoy the articles, but it now reads like a writer who fell in love with his own writing style and forgot how to communicate.
2013-01-06 07:57:08 AM
2 votes:

narkor: Faded empires a prone to introspection. The current top dog prone to extroversion. The first half of the 21st century will be a period of American introspection and Chinese extroversion, just as the latter half of the 20th was American extroversion and British introspection.


Asian, maybe, but I'm not sure about the Chinese. They're on a fast pace to get old before they get rich.
2013-01-06 07:33:21 AM
2 votes:

letrole: just tried to read it, and frankly couldn't be bothered


Couldn't read it with that freaky picture of the author staring at me from the middle of the page.
2013-01-06 03:28:57 AM
2 votes:
Written for a British audience.
2013-01-06 08:38:50 PM
1 votes:

Trapper439: cryinoutloud: topcon: It's just "a thing" to bash Americans, because everyone in the rest of the world is so commonly blasted with American pop culture.

I started reading (and commenting) on The Guardian some time ago. I was hoping to get some points of view outside of Fark, and guess what I found out? They farking hate us. It's the weirdest thing--they're completely obsessed with the U.S. (America), but only to put us down. The Brits followed the American elections more closely than most of us did, and they were full of opinions. We all suck, we are bloodthirsty, fat, stupid, only interested in our own country, and ignorant of the rest of the world. (Try looking in the mirror, posters).

So now I spend most of my time on the Guardian blasting ignorant Brits for being ignorant.

I don't post much on the Guardian these days. As you say, it is filled with pretentious asshats. Check out one of their music threads sometime, for example. Every asshole there thinks they have more songwriting talent than Bob Dylan and John Lennon combined. Your favourite band sucks....

But farked if they don't have every right to take issue with the Americans who post there about political matters.

I say that as someone who saw the vile far right-wing crap that American trolls used to post on the Guardian blogs.

Remember the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami? That was the first time I ever visited a news blog. As a quarter of a million people were dying around the world the liveblog got hijacked by some right-wing American coont called "Gotham" who spent around 12 hours biatching about the Liberals and "Euroweenies".

Every thread about Iraq was invaded by human scum from the US who masturbated over the way that Bush was ignoring international opinion.

Sorry if your feelings get offended by the things you read below the line at the Guardian, but the posters there have long memories, and every bit of "hatred" towards America you see there has been well and truly earned.

I despise the trolls you ...


Oddly enough, the same is now true for The Daily Mail. The imported US derp is so off the scale, it makes the usual middle-England Mail bigots actually seem quite reasonable. Check out any gay related article. The US hatespew is so thick and acidic, it ends up with pro-gay posts being thumbs-up by people, for a British standard, are far right.
2013-01-06 08:32:08 PM
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: topcon: It's just "a thing" to bash Americans, because everyone in the rest of the world is so commonly blasted with American pop culture.

I started reading (and commenting) on The Guardian some time ago. I was hoping to get some points of view outside of Fark, and guess what I found out? They farking hate us. It's the weirdest thing--they're completely obsessed with the U.S. (America), but only to put us down. The Brits followed the American elections more closely than most of us did, and they were full of opinions. We all suck, we are bloodthirsty, fat, stupid, only interested in our own country, and ignorant of the rest of the world. (Try looking in the mirror, posters).

So now I spend most of my time on the Guardian blasting ignorant Brits for being ignorant.


I don't post much on the Guardian these days. As you say, it is filled with pretentious asshats. Check out one of their music threads sometime, for example. Every asshole there thinks they have more songwriting talent than Bob Dylan and John Lennon combined. Your favourite band sucks....

But farked if they don't have every right to take issue with the Americans who post there about political matters.

I say that as someone who saw the vile far right-wing crap that American trolls used to post on the Guardian blogs.

Remember the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami? That was the first time I ever visited a news blog. As a quarter of a million people were dying around the world the liveblog got hijacked by some right-wing American coont called "Gotham" who spent around 12 hours biatching about the Liberals and "Euroweenies".

Every thread about Iraq was invaded by human scum from the US who masturbated over the way that Bush was ignoring international opinion.

Sorry if your feelings get offended by the things you read below the line at the Guardian, but the posters there have long memories, and every bit of "hatred" towards America you see there has been well and truly earned.

I despise the trolls you see here on the Fark politics tab, but they are nothing compared to the US filth that used to infest the Guardian threads.

And it still happens. Every now and then there'll be a Guardian thread that has clearly been linked to on Drudge or Free Republic. The trolls pour in en masse and the whole thing becomes a complete clusterfark of uniquely American derp.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy.
2013-01-06 08:02:38 PM
1 votes:

Iron Felix: I work in an office with roughly 30% Brits who are mostly upper management types. The word "sorted" as in "lets get this sorted" or "sort this out" or "are you sorted" are catching on among (maybe amongst to sound even more British) the Americans. Yet...they love the US, they love having huge apartments and homes, cheap food, nice restaurants, but do nothing but complain about it.



Complaining to a Brit is half the fun of anything. Never mistake complaining for "not enjoying". To not moan about at least something that was supposed to be good (ie a holiday) will be met with a great deal of suspicion. To not say how something also went a bit wrong is the height of arrogance.

Even someone who aced their finals at Cambridge will say "Well, it wasn't too bad" coming out the exam. There must always be an implied note of semi-failure (it's one of the reasons British people often take Americans to be arrogant, because if something went well they will say exactly that, with no sense they need to varnish that for an audience. They'll even lie to say things went better than they did, which is madness if trying to get on with a British audience. British people always underplay their hand.
2013-01-06 06:57:16 PM
1 votes:
It has been an interesting three years as a Midwestern small town kid living with his family and working in East London. I think I could have summed this all up a bit more concisely than TFA.
It really is true that we Americans do not realize that something a 100 years old isn't that old. And that a lot of Europeans do not understand that 100 miles isn't that far. People don't understand why we have not yet visited New York City, even though it is 1200 miles away from our home town.
I was hurt by the amount of anti-American abuse my children received in school. Thanks George W., who really damaged our relationships with other nations. Also, my kids are teased about being fat and stupid. Neither of them are stupid (per the WISC-R, not just parental pride). And the youngest's weight is totally normal.
If "American" is all that people know about you, they make assumptions based on media such as the Simpsons and Family Guy. I'm not dissing the shows, just stating that caricatures are not real life. (although stereotypes are a real time-saver!). Anyway, I am also stating that what is reported in the news and media tends to be the extremes of American culture. Interesting, but not accurate for viewing the 'mostly harmless' people trying to live, thrive, and survive.
It has been difficult to explain why laws cannot just be passed to control what is seen as a gun problem. Or why people are against Obamacare. Frankly, I have had to use the NHS and have found it to work pretty much the same as medical care in the States. Except I could be a private contractor here with insurance and I am having trouble getting a job back in the USA cause I need health insurance for my family.
So, Brits are interested in Americans cause of the entertainment and our apparent police of the world role - as well as our economic influence. They get stereotypes that are applied too liberally, just as we do to them. The vast size and variety of American population is difficult for most to comprehend.
2013-01-06 05:57:37 PM
1 votes:

brantgoose: Spiralmonkey: brantgoose: FTA:  "The dilatory nature of the UK's relationship with the European Union often seems like the behaviour of someone stood up on a date, who cannot summon the willpower to walk away from the failed rendezvous and into the arms of the girl next door."

Veronica or Betty? Betty or Veronica? Archie is such a confused lad, but get real. We all know that he's going to end up gay-marrying Jughead, his first true love. Veronica will marry Reggie and Betty will marry Moose when Milton and Midge run off together, and she'll raise a super-race of little blond Mooses and Mooselettes.

Who the Hell is Jughead to the UK's Archie? Australia? Canada? Norway? Scotland? The Republic of Eire?

You know that Scotland is part of the UK, yes?

Well, sort of. I think it is still eligible for Mr. and Mr. UK some day. A lot of its complaints and demands sound very familiar to an English Canadian. It's England's Quebec. It wants equality plus. The biatch.

It already has as much or more than Quebec has: its own Parliament, its own banknotes, a big chunk of whatever is left of the North Sea oil, its own weird customs, costumes, and its own established church, the Kirk of Scotland, which rivals the Church of England in snobbishness and pietism. That's why I included it with equal plausibility as Ireland and the other free Dominions.


No "sort of" about it. Part of the UK. I know, I live there. I've noticed many times that it's part of the UK. Also, Church of Scotland is fark all like Church of England. A CoS minister is a servant of the congregation, a CoE vicar is seen to be above the congregation. Farking huge fundamental difference. And what's this "plus" nonsense? Citation please. You know next to nothing about Scotland, so I'm guessing you've never been there.
2013-01-06 04:28:14 PM
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: Valeriyance
2013-01-06 01:23:06 PM

Hell, "Across the Pond". Do we use that term for any other country? It's like talking about your friend across the street. I don't think we are that familiar with fricking Canada and they share a land border.

This. They are our closest cultural friend yet its a pretty big divide IMHO. I dealt with quite a lot of British folks when I worked overseas in Asia and it was sort of eye opening.

I made friends with a few of them but despite us sharing a lot of institutions with them and a common language, I really found their attitudes and especially the humor (and coming from someone who enjoys a number of their comedy shows - peep show, black adder, young ones, to name a few) often hard to wrap my head around. The attutude was often a kind of mix of snobbery, pure meaness and insecurity. I didn't care much for it. Granted it was just in Asia and maybe if I was in the UK, I'd run into much nicer people. I dunno. I didn't come away with a good impression of many of them.


And they probably thought you intellectually shallow, humourless, and having a massively over-inflated opinion of yourself to the point of delusion.

What you said about the British is common how Americans feel, and what I said about Americans is common how British people feel.

The Japanese, however, think us both monsters.
2013-01-06 03:57:48 PM
1 votes:
Valeriyance
2013-01-06 01:23:06 PM

Hell, "Across the Pond". Do we use that term for any other country? It's like talking about your friend across the street. I don't think we are that familiar with fricking Canada and they share a land border.


This. They are our closest cultural friend yet its a pretty big divide IMHO. I dealt with quite a lot of British folks when I worked overseas in Asia and it was sort of eye opening.

I made friends with a few of them but despite us sharing a lot of institutions with them and a common language, I really found their attitudes and especially the humor (and coming from someone who enjoys a number of their comedy shows - peep show, black adder, young ones, to name a few) often hard to wrap my head around. The attutude was often a kind of mix of snobbery, pure meaness and insecurity. I didn't care much for it. Granted it was just in Asia and maybe if I was in the UK, I'd run into much nicer people. I dunno. I didn't come away with a good impression of many of them.
2013-01-06 03:49:02 PM
1 votes:
The "Idiocracy" is strong in this thread. It's sad, really. I smh at my compatriots who are put off at the thought of learning a new word or two. Or, the horror; "tl;dr". God forbid that farkers should have the attention span of a gnat. They might learn something useful. Then they would be really dangerous.
2013-01-06 03:33:43 PM
1 votes:

pippi longstocking: Yanks are all disgustingly stupid, uneducated, savage, ignorant retards that suffer from severe cognitive dissonance!


Never been to a soccer (football) match, I gather.
2013-01-06 03:14:12 PM
1 votes:
Um.... complicated British stuff.

I like Iron Maiden, Doctor Who and Bass Ale.
2013-01-06 03:02:35 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: DS1970: Goodfella: Mid_mo_mad_man: Growing up my neighbors hosted exchange students. One thing that none of them realized was the sheer size of the USA. They assumed you could drive anywhere in a day or so

You can drive anywhere in the lower 48 in three days, so they were close.

I wasn't quite sure on that (especially with no explanation of what entailed a "day") so I looked it up.

1. The estimate of the longest distance between two points in the lower 48 is around (there are several around this) 2873 miles, from Neah Bay, WA to Islamorada, FL.

2. Assuming an average speed of 60 mph it would take just shy of 48 hours of total driving (2873/60 = 47.89)

3. and assuming each day of driving entailed 12 hours of solid driving, we have 4 days of driving (47.89/12 ~=4).

So the visitors thought the U.S. lower 48 were one-forth their real size. That's quite a difference.

That's only three times the distance between Land's End and John O'Grots in the UK (about 900 or so miles), a country people here seem to be insisting is tiny and would fit on Manhattan. And that's not counting the Scottish isles that go out half that or so again.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land's_End_to_John_o'_Groats


Meh, 900 or so miles would get you from one side of Texas to the other.
2013-01-06 02:51:37 PM
1 votes:

CoonAce: LordZorch: One of the most poorly written articles I've seen in a long time - so thoroughly disjointed and rambling that only someone with serrious mental issues could make any sense of it.

How about we all get back to making fun of how the Brits mangle their language so badly that nobody can understand them?

Funny you should mention, I was drinking with some British girls whose fathers were Leftist university professors in England. They were quite angrily arguing that unpopular speech should & must be censored, concluding with: "you Yanks mango da Engwish wanguage." Mind you, these girls were both PhD, not council chavs.

It is atrocious how the British drop and add the R, pronounce "th" as "v," "l" as "w," lisp, etc.


Is this were I point out the number grammatical clusterfarks in that paragraph?
2013-01-06 02:50:04 PM
1 votes:

Goodfella: Mid_mo_mad_man: Growing up my neighbors hosted exchange students. One thing that none of them realized was the sheer size of the USA. They assumed you could drive anywhere in a day or so

You can drive anywhere in the lower 48 in three days, so they were close.


I wasn't quite sure on that (especially with no explanation of what entailed a "day") so I looked it up.

1. The estimate of the longest distance between two points in the lower 48 is around (there are several around this) 2873 miles, from Neah Bay, WA to Islamorada, FL.

2. Assuming an average speed of 60 mph it would take just shy of 48 hours of total driving (2873/60 = 47.89)

3. and assuming each day of driving entailed 12 hours of solid driving, we have 4 days of driving (47.89/12 ~=4).

So the visitors thought the U.S. lower 48 were one-forth their real size. That's quite a difference.
2013-01-06 02:47:52 PM
1 votes:

LordZorch: One of the most poorly written articles I've seen in a long time - so thoroughly disjointed and rambling that only someone with serrious mental issues could make any sense of it.

How about we all get back to making fun of how the Brits mangle their language so badly that nobody can understand them?


Funny you should mention, I was drinking with some British girls whose fathers were Leftist university professors in England. They were quite angrily arguing that unpopular speech should & must be censored, concluding with: "you Yanks mango da Engwish wanguage." Mind you, these girls were both PhD, not council chavs.

It is atrocious how the British drop and add the R, pronounce "th" as "v," "l" as "w," lisp, etc.
2013-01-06 02:47:16 PM
1 votes:

DS1970: Serious Black: "The spectacle of US democracy in action is at once ridiculed and revered over here. Looked at one way it is an unholy combination of demagoguery and plutocracy, what with its pork-barrelling politicians soliciting corporate donations for prime time television advertising."

Never has a truer sentence ever been spoken.

Yeah, I was looking for more of a...you know..."British food v American food" type of thing, here.

And just because the author made full use of his/her thesaurus, that doesn't mean I have to use equivalent effort to disentangle his doggerel.


Will Self is in many ways a tit, but he does not need a thesaurus. Just watch him on a discussion panel. He's been on hundreds.
2013-01-06 02:07:58 PM
1 votes:

blurr_grrl: blurr_grrl: [i102.photobucket.com image 640x452]

When this is one of Britain's most highest-rated shows - what do you think?

No it isn't. What makes you think that?

International Ratings Highlights for The Walking Dead - Season 2

Delivered 16.9 million households within all FIC markets
Delivered 8 million households across all FIC metered markets
Ranked #1 in regions like UK (1.76 rat%), Spain (2.75 rat%), Argentina (0.81 rat%), Colombia (0.94 rat%) and Mexico (1.31 rat%), Italy (1.93 rat%) and Slovenia (0.62 rat%).
Broke ratings records previously held by The Walking Dead's season 1 & season 2 premieres

UK - FX (Key BARB Highlights):

Averaged 737,200 Total Pay Viewers (558,400 in key 18-49 demo) - over performing its lead in by 100% among Pay P18-49 and +31% among Total Pay Viewers
Ranked #1 among all Pay TV channels in key 18-49 demo with a 3.05 rating and Total Viewers with a 1.98 rating.

excepts from 'tvbythenumbers' website
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/02/22/the-walking-deads-much-an t icipated-global-return-sets-new-ratings-records-on-fox-international-c hannels/121311/


I have no idea what "ranked no 1" means. Maybe no 1 on the obscure Sky channel it ran on? It was on " FX" apparently. I haven't even heard of that channel, and I doubt many have.

I can assure you that no program on a channel called FX would even crack the top 250 programs in a week. If it's not on BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV, or Channel 4, it's essentially way, way out the mainstream in the UK.
2013-01-06 01:57:12 PM
1 votes:
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2013-01-06 01:09:43 PM
1 votes:
One of the most poorly written articles I've seen in a long time - so thoroughly disjointed and rambling that only someone with serrious mental issues could make any sense of it.

How about we all get back to making fun of how the Brits mangle their language so badly that nobody can understand them?
2013-01-06 01:07:14 PM
1 votes:

Bungles: The difference is that most Western countries generally are reasonably aware of other Western nations in a way that a significantly larger number of Americans just aren't. Most Germans, French, Canadians, Australians, Brits, New Zealanders etc would be able to name each other's leaders (or at least their last one), point them out on a map, and have a vague grasp of their culture. From my experience the same just ins't true to the same degree in the US.


With the exception of US Canada, Australia and New Zealand, all of the "Western Nations" are right next to each other in Europe. Similarly, Texans could talk to you about Louisiana, Oklahoma, etc etc. and New Yorkers know about New Jersey and other northeastern states. The difference between the US and Canada/Australia/New Zealand is historically and culturally. The latter 3 are still a part of the Commonwealth Realm, had relatively good relations with Britain and still recognize the Queen as head of state. Culturally, they are still relatively close to England and would care about much the same information that Britons would care about (like a Finn who moved to Mexico would still care about the EU though a native born Mexican would not care as much)

The US on the other hand violently broke away, fought them again in 1912 and has supported isolationist polices historically, which are back by geography. From Washington's farewell address, to the Monroe Doctrine, to the unwillingness to join both world wars, etc. So it is pretty much geographically and culturally instilled that Americans don't care as much about European countries.
2013-01-06 12:41:52 PM
1 votes:

ATRDCI: Bungles: Mr. Shabooboo: And yet, you miss the point.. For someone in the U.K. to know the political goings on of, say, Romania
is no big deal simply because of geography. People in Nebraska probably know some of what is going
on in North Dakota or Oklahoma..And yet those distances would be no different than that of London
to Bucharest. Just because our states are not differentiated countries with different languages doesn't
mean a person in "insular". How much do you think the average London dweller would know of the
day to day comings and goings in Guinea Bissau? Probably about as much as anyone in the U.S.
or Canada would! It's a false analogy to equate knowledge of happenings in X number of countries to "insulation".

What do you mean "because of geography"? Do you think that someone in London somehow absorbs the political situation in Romania through magic because it's "only" 2500kms away? Or is information somehow harder to absorb the further it is from its origin?

It's nothing to do with geography, it's to do with a specifically American insularism. Just look at Australia. The average Australian has a comparatively very solid understanding of global affairs, and they're close to no-one but dolphins and some uninhabited Japanese islands.

People naturally care about and look for information that affects them. They are naturally going to know more about the goings on that happen closer to them. A person living in Hastings would know more about the goings on of Hastings then they would about the daily goings on of York. Similarly, a person in England would know more about English events. The distance between the US and France is around 4000 miles. Would you chastise Britons who are ignorant of the inner workings of the various African countries that are about that far way?


Most Westerners are ignorant of African events, because most Westerners don't consider Africa to be important or interesting, as cruel as that sounds.

The difference is that most Western countries generally are reasonably aware of other Western nations in a way that a significantly larger number of Americans just aren't. Most Germans, French, Canadians, Australians, Brits, New Zealanders etc would be able to name each other's leaders (or at least their last one), point them out on a map, and have a vague grasp of their culture. From my experience the same just ins't true to the same degree in the US.
2013-01-06 12:41:25 PM
1 votes:

whatshisname: lilistonic: itsfullofstars: Brits suffer from the same problem everyone in Europe suffers from in their view of the US. They compare the UK to the US and Germany to the US and France to the US and Luxembourg to the US. It just doesn't scale. Europeans should be comparing Europe to the US.

Europe's landmass is about the size of the southern US states. Europe's population is more than double that of the US. The UK is the size of Oregon and has about the population of California, Texas and New York combined. Germany should compare itself to Montana landwise but can add Pennsylvania and Ohio to the UK's list of US states population wise.

Point is, Europeans insist on comparing their country to this other country that is so dominate culturally, politically and economically, and its just silly.

These arguments are frequently made during discussions of buildout of public transportation, broadband, public health services. They further demonstrate many Europeans lack of understanding of geography outside their own continent. It's not an anti-American thing. They make the same arguments to Australians, failing to understand how big that place is.

Precisely.

Dear European Countries:


Believing you can apply any one solution that works for a small crowded country of people from mostly the same genetic background to a place as large and diverse as this one is patently absurd. (Was it here I read about studies which show why certain medical treatments can easily be applied to a whole nation of Swedes, but when they're brought here, it all becomes frightfully complex?)


And both countries: really big and really far away from you. Your stereotypes of us should be left on stage with the comedians.

You do realize that you and itsfullofstars are countering stereotypes with stereotypes?

I was born in Europe, live in Canada and have traveled extensively in the US. My experience has always been that Americans are far more insular and uninformed abut the rest of the world than Eu ...


Possibly, as people are people. It's dumb all over. But here we are speaking specifically of the article's intent and of people wishing to blanket their wisdom and solutions on others, and (heap ridicule on them for extreme examples) when others live in a very different situation.
2013-01-06 12:13:27 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.

Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.

Yeah I might, but until someone points me to imformation to it not being that, I think it is. With the Boston Tea Party and all.

Oh look...

You mean the Boston Tea Party which was a protest over an act which actually lowered taxes on tea but only to tea made by one company in London?

That one?

Yeah that one. That sounds tax related tbh.

Taxes are related, but that wasn't the central reason.

As others have highlighted, they didn't protest because of the taxes themselves, they protested because they didn't like the idea of being taxed but having no say in government affairs (kind of like DC which used the motto "Taxation Without Representation" on their license plates.

Saying that they didn't like being taxed only highlights part of it.


I've always had the thought that as well as representation, the colonies wanted to get out from under the British mercantilistic model.
2013-01-06 12:12:22 PM
1 votes:

blurr_grrl: [i102.photobucket.com image 640x452]

When this is one of Britain's most highest-rated shows - what do you think?



It's on Channel 5. It hasn't even been in the topped the UK Top 250 for the week.
2013-01-06 12:12:01 PM
1 votes:

whatshisname: lilistonic: itsfullofstars: Brits suffer from the same problem everyone in Europe suffers from in their view of the US. They compare the UK to the US and Germany to the US and France to the US and Luxembourg to the US. It just doesn't scale. Europeans should be comparing Europe to the US.

Europe's landmass is about the size of the southern US states. Europe's population is more than double that of the US. The UK is the size of Oregon and has about the population of California, Texas and New York combined. Germany should compare itself to Montana landwise but can add Pennsylvania and Ohio to the UK's list of US states population wise.

Point is, Europeans insist on comparing their country to this other country that is so dominate culturally, politically and economically, and its just silly.

These arguments are frequently made during discussions of buildout of public transportation, broadband, public health services. They further demonstrate many Europeans lack of understanding of geography outside their own continent. It's not an anti-American thing. They make the same arguments to Australians, failing to understand how big that place is.

Precisely.

Dear European Countries:


Believing you can apply any one solution that works for a small crowded country of people from mostly the same genetic background to a place as large and diverse as this one is patently absurd. (Was it here I read about studies which show why certain medical treatments can easily be applied to a whole nation of Swedes, but when they're brought here, it all becomes frightfully complex?)


And both countries: really big and really far away from you. Your stereotypes of us should be left on stage with the comedians.

You do realize that you and itsfullofstars are countering stereotypes with stereotypes?

I was born in Europe, live in Canada and have traveled extensively in the US. My experience has always been that Americans are far more insular and uninformed abut the rest of the world than Eu ...


And yet, you miss the point.. For someone in the U.K. to know the political goings on of, say, Romania
is no big deal simply because of geography. People in Nebraska probably know some of what is going
on in North Dakota or Oklahoma..And yet those distances would be no different than that of London
to Bucharest. Just because our states are not differentiated countries with different languages doesn't
mean a person in "insular". How much do you think the average London dweller would know of the
day to day comings and goings in Guinea Bissau? Probably about as much as anyone in the U.S.
or Canada would! It's a false analogy to equate knowledge of happenings in X number of countries to "insulation".
2013-01-06 12:10:42 PM
1 votes:

blurr_grrl: [i102.photobucket.com image 640x452]

When this is one of Britain's most highest-rated shows - what do you think?


No it isn't. What makes you think that?
2013-01-06 11:58:51 AM
1 votes:

spawn73: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.

Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.

Yeah I might, but until someone points me to imformation to it not being that, I think it is. With the Boston Tea Party and all.

Oh look...

You mean the Boston Tea Party which was a protest over an act which actually lowered taxes on tea but only to tea made by one company in London?

That one?

Yeah that one. That sounds tax related tbh.


Actually, while the main heartburn among the colonists was about taxation, the spark that lit off the Revolution was an attempt at gun control. Something to keep in mind.
2013-01-06 11:57:59 AM
1 votes:
They hate us for our freedoms.
2013-01-06 11:55:49 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.

Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.

Yeah I might, but until someone points me to imformation to it not being that, I think it is. With the Boston Tea Party and all.

Oh look...

You mean the Boston Tea Party which was a protest over an act which actually lowered taxes on tea but only to tea made by one company in London?

That one?

Yeah that one. That sounds tax related tbh.

Taxes are related, but that wasn't the central reason.

As others have highlighted, they didn't protest because of the taxes themselves, they protested because they didn't like the idea of being taxed but having no say in government affairs (kind of like DC which used the motto "Taxation Without Representation" on their license plates.

Saying that they didn't like being taxed only highlights part of it.


Have you seen "How Booze Built America"? They highlight the Boston tea party as a complaint with taxation (without representation) on alcohol and the ingredients to make booze, but since they didn't want to waste booze, they decided to destroy tea instead.
2013-01-06 11:48:09 AM
1 votes:

itsfullofstars: Brits suffer from the same problem everyone in Europe suffers from in their view of the US. They compare the UK to the US and Germany to the US and France to the US and Luxembourg to the US. It just doesn't scale. Europeans should be comparing Europe to the US.

Europe's landmass is about the size of the southern US states. Europe's population is more than double that of the US. The UK is the size of Oregon and has about the population of California, Texas and New York combined. Germany should compare itself to Montana landwise but can add Pennsylvania and Ohio to the UK's list of US states population wise.

Point is, Europeans insist on comparing their country to this other country that is so dominate culturally, politically and economically, and its just silly.

These arguments are frequently made during discussions of buildout of public transportation, broadband, public health services. They further demonstrate many Europeans lack of understanding of geography outside their own continent. It's not an anti-American thing. They make the same arguments to Australians, failing to understand how big that place is.



I think it's you that's missing the facts here.

90% of Australians live in 6 metropolitan areas that collectively are smaller than greater London... arguments about scale and somesuch service reaching an entire population are virtually identical as in the UK with the Outer Hebrides, because the vast bulk of the people are not spread across the continent.

It's the same in the US, only to a slightly lesser degree. There only a set number of urban hubs, which account for the vast bulk of people.

The sheer geography is largely an irrelevance, because people are not evenly spread.
2013-01-06 11:46:08 AM
1 votes:

vwarb: It is even more annoying now that Obama has won in a landslide TWICE ONCE.


FTFY. The first election was a landslide. The last election wasn't a landslide unless you measure it by electoral votes, which don't give you a good measure of actual *SUPPORT* among the population because of its "all or nothing" nature at the state level. Barack Obama won with just 51% of the popular vote this last November, hardly a landslide. Even in 2008, he only won 52.9% of the popular vote.

A real landslide would be the 1984 presidential election, when Ronald Reagan got 58.77% of the vote. That shows a groundswell of popular support.

Hell, even George H. W. Bush beat both of Obama's percentages with a 53.4% of the popular vote.

Would you characterize Dumbya's reelection in 2004 as a landslide? He got 50.7% of the popular vote, a bare 0.3% less than Barack Obama's reelection.

No, Barack Obama had a healthy margin of the popular vote in 2008, and he *LOST* almost 2% of that in the last election, so no, not a landslide.
2013-01-06 11:33:26 AM
1 votes:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.

Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.

It might not be accurate to say it was a war over taxes but it most certainly isn't wrong.

One of the stated reasons for going to war was that they really didn't like the idea of being taxed without representation in Parliament.

And if you really want to tie it to current events: It's why Puerto Rico, despite being part of the US, doesn't pay federal income tax (and conversely why they're iffy on petitioning for statehood).

Next time you want to flop your dick out on the table about misconceptions of the American Revolutionary War, I'd suggest trying "There was nothing revolutionary about it."


It also isn't accurate to say the Civil War was about states rights though perhaps not technically wrong. The significant difference being that pretending that Americans just didn't want to pay taxes makes them look like a bunch of lazy, greedy freeloaders and pretending that the South was just trying to uphold state's rights lets them ignore the racism

cryinoutloud: topcon: It's just "a thing" to bash Americans, because everyone in the rest of the world is so commonly blasted with American pop culture.

I started reading (and commenting) on The Guardian some time ago. I was hoping to get some points of view outside of Fark, and guess what I found out? They farking hate us. It's the weirdest thing--they're completely obsessed with the U.S. (America), but only to put us down. The Brits followed the American elections more closely than most of us did, and they were full of opinions. We all suck, we are bloodthirsty, fat, stupid, only interested in our own country, and ignorant of the rest of the world. (Try looking in the mirror, posters).

So now I spend most of my time on the Guardian blasting ignorant Brits for being ignorant. I'd like to comment on some meaningful things, but it's hard to get past the whole "It's America, so expect the stupid response, followed by a bomb" attitude a lot of them have. Doesn't anything happen in their own country they can be concerned about?

I spend most of my time here ranting about how stupid and farked up the U.S. is, but holy crap---I've never such vitriol about minor subjects that have absolutely no impact on their lives and aren't even taking place in the same country. I might not LOVE America, but I'm not going to let a bunch of pasty wankers tear down my country when they're equally as ignorant as a lot of people here are.


To be completely fair, those of us in. say. Texas receive this same treatment from other Americans. A bit different in the lyrics perhaps but the second verse is the same as the first. As disgusting as the "Real America" shiat is, it is at least partially an (admittedly delayed) reaction to the fact that anyone who happens to not be in the South assumes everyone down here is an ignorant racist who is lucky they can tie their shoes, or is at best a copy of Rick Perry or W. Yes, there is racism and ignorance down here, but to pretend it isn't everywhere is just asinine.

/obviously not everyone has these assumptions or vocalizes them
2013-01-06 11:28:54 AM
1 votes:

itsfullofstars: Brits suffer from the same problem everyone in Europe suffers from in their view of the US. They compare the UK to the US and Germany to the US and France to the US and Luxembourg to the US. It just doesn't scale. Europeans should be comparing Europe to the US.

Europe's landmass is about the size of the southern US states. Europe's population is more than double that of the US. The UK is the size of Oregon and has about the population of California, Texas and New York combined. Germany should compare itself to Montana landwise but can add Pennsylvania and Ohio to the UK's list of US states population wise.

Point is, Europeans insist on comparing their country to this other country that is so dominate culturally, politically and economically, and its just silly.

These arguments are frequently made during discussions of buildout of public transportation, broadband, public health services. They further demonstrate many Europeans lack of understanding of geography outside their own continent. It's not an anti-American thing. They make the same arguments to Australians, failing to understand how big that place is.


Precisely.

Dear European Countries:


Believing you can apply any one solution that works for a small crowded country of people from mostly the same genetic background to a place as large and diverse as this one is patently absurd. (Was it here I read about studies which show why certain medical treatments can easily be applied to a whole nation of Swedes, but when they're brought here, it all becomes frightfully complex?)


And both countries: really big and really far away from you. Your stereotypes of us should be left on stage with the comedians.
2013-01-06 11:14:19 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.

Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.


It might not be accurate to say it was a war over taxes but it most certainly isn't wrong.

One of the stated reasons for going to war was that they really didn't like the idea of being taxed without representation in Parliament.

And if you really want to tie it to current events: It's why Puerto Rico, despite being part of the US, doesn't pay federal income tax (and conversely why they're iffy on petitioning for statehood).

Next time you want to flop your dick out on the table about misconceptions of the American Revolutionary War, I'd suggest trying "There was nothing revolutionary about it."
2013-01-06 11:00:45 AM
1 votes:

spawn73: Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.

Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.

Yeah I might, but until someone points me to imformation to it not being that, I think it is. With the Boston Tea Party and all.

Oh look...


You mean the Boston Tea Party which was a protest over an act which actually lowered taxes on tea but only to tea made by one company in London?

That one?
2013-01-06 10:49:32 AM
1 votes:
For years, I've heard people from various countries lambasting Americans over issues of "You don't understand such and such because you have no interest in any other cultures," then two sentences later they'll say stereotypical things about some group of people, completely oblivious to the fact they're doing the same thing.

You name a country in Europe I've been to, and I've seen people doing this. There are stupid people everywhere, and everyone to some degree has some level of jingoism in their head.

It's just "a thing" to bash Americans, because everyone in the rest of the world is so commonly blasted with American pop culture.
2013-01-06 10:24:40 AM
1 votes:
FOPPISH WANKERY !=PITHY OBSERVATIONAL HUMOR


/For the article's author
//and pretty much any Englishmen I've ever heard do the "British people are like this, but Americans are like THIS" routine
2013-01-06 10:02:09 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.

Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.


Might be right. Check out Mercantilism and taxation without representation.
2013-01-06 10:00:51 AM
1 votes:

bratchaman: I haven't had my coffee yet but this dumb American was put off by the fancy language of the article.

British English almost seems pretenious sometimes. I mean seriously who says "a bewildering and Brobdingnagian phenomenon" and doesn't expect a punch in the face?

And what the eff is "aluminum" anyways?



I see you're unfamiliar with WIll Self. The pretentiousness is post-post-ironic.
2013-01-06 09:58:53 AM
1 votes:
I found the article very twee.
2013-01-06 09:56:57 AM
1 votes:

spawn73: Triumph: I'm mostly of English descent, and enjoyed my visits to London, but also always mindful that my ancestors fought like dogs to get away from those people.

No they didn't. They were British as well, but they didn't want to pay taxes.


Oh look, you miss the point of the Revolutionary War.

If you think it was a war over taxes...you might be wrong.
2013-01-06 09:51:40 AM
1 votes:

miss diminutive: Bungles: miss diminutive: Are they still sore over losing their empire and being reduced to pawns in the geopolitical game?

Give it a few decades, my young American padawan, and you'll understand.

I'm Canadian....the Monopoly boot of the geopolitical chess-board. We always understand.


It seems to me that we Canadians are very much the middle ground in this issue. We have american and british pop culture, our political system is somewhere between the two as well, plus we have our own little subcultures that reflect other things going on in the world too.

Where you from miss diminutive? I'm in NB
2013-01-06 09:43:03 AM
1 votes:
You think that international relationship is complicated and ambivalent? Try living in Canada.
2013-01-06 09:42:32 AM
1 votes:
I assume the author was paid by the word.

indoxservices.files.wordpress.com
2013-01-06 09:40:21 AM
1 votes:
Lots of $25 words there... can't help but think the author uses them to make himself feel more authoritative.
2013-01-06 09:29:03 AM
1 votes:
My vocabulary, let me show you it with no point whatsoever.
2013-01-06 09:17:53 AM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: I was in London in 2012 and the people there couldn't have been nicer -- especially when I let them know that we saved their asses back in the big one so how about that ice cold Budweiser NOW!


For extra obnoxious points when they tell you to pay, you yell "I already paid for this beer sir! It was called the Marshall Plan."
2013-01-06 08:48:37 AM
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Relatively Obscure: That author was trying way, way, way too hard.



gettingdownwithjesus.com

The word, he was paid by
2013-01-06 08:47:16 AM
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YAAAAWN, stretch...oh is the article over?

No way is tmesis a word. That's gotta be a typo.
2013-01-06 08:43:49 AM
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planes: [www.global-air.com image 150x195]

It took the genius of America to recognize that with a little extra hammering and spannering the motor car could be converted into the motor home. But, the Brits think we're a bit odd for doing it. (new window)



But they adore caravans. I think the bafflement is more along the line of "Once you're in that lovely Welsh ocean bay, you want to be able to detach your car to go to the shops, rather than take your entire house to Sainsburys for milk".
2013-01-06 08:40:43 AM
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Well, that was a really fancy article about nothing. Sounded like the writer just discovered he can find synonyms by right clicking on the word document.
2013-01-06 08:34:26 AM
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I tried really really hard to read this.

I cannot.
2013-01-06 08:31:19 AM
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"Bronies" - WTF, America? The richest, most powerful and most technologically advanced nation in the world and you have grown men proclaiming their affection for little girls' toys. How many seats over there do you need?
2013-01-06 08:15:36 AM
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I imagine that the thought process, prior to writing that 'article', went something like 'I need to write something where I can show off my amazing new dictionary, and use words like conniptions and tmesis'
2013-01-06 08:11:45 AM
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Let me know if somebody translates that into English.
2013-01-06 08:06:26 AM
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Will Self is a pretentious arsehole.
2013-01-06 07:56:23 AM
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www.global-air.com

It took the genius of America to recognize that with a little extra hammering and spannering the motor car could be converted into the motor home. But, the Brits think we're a bit odd for doing it. (new window)
2013-01-06 07:46:36 AM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: I was in London in 2012 and the people there couldn't have been nicer -- especially when I let them know that we saved their asses back in the big one so how about that ice cold Budweiser NOW!


I'm sure they were more than happy to pee in a cup for you...
/jk
2013-01-06 07:30:50 AM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: I was in London in 2012 and the people there couldn't have been nicer . . . .


That's interesting. My own experience has been that Londoners are right up there with Philadelphia residents when it comes to rudeness.
 
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