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2013-01-06 04:18:03 PM
8 votes:

dynomutt: Only conspiracy theorists can cast aspersions instead of providing actual counterarguments.

"wow, dynomutt is a colossal idiot" - Really? How many kilocalories of glycogen were put out by brain cells did that quip take to come up with?

Nope, they add the mercury in, under a different name by the compound.
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-mercury.htm

No, all you jokers can do is claim indignation at someone providing evidence describing a view that is different than the one that has been fed to you by entities that you trust that routinely lie to you.

Get out of your cave.


Disclaimer: due to Poe's law, I cannot tell if you are a troll or not.

Well, I've actually read a lot of the peer-reviewed research on vaccines. Partially in response to anti-vaxxers on the interwebs, but mostly because i'm an infectious diseases physician.

I am not saying you are 100% wrong because I am an authority, I am saying it because I have looked at a lot of the prinary research artciles myself, and have seen a preponderance of evidence that the party line from CDC, WHO, etc. is correct.

I personally had three patients die from the flu this past month. Two had cancer, but one was a healthy young woman. Not sure if she was vaxcinated or not, since no vaccine is 100%, and even I have personally gotten laboratory-documented flu in spite of being healthy and not missing a flu shot since 1999.

But these diseases kill people DEAD. Every person who decides not to get vaccinated because of these bogus theories may harm other people by transmitting these preventable diaeases. These three people all got the flu from SOMEONE.

In case you are wondering, I do no vaccine research, and get paid exactly $0.00 for every vaccine I order. Theoretically I should be against vaccines, since it would be more business for me...


In closing: you are a colossal idiot.
2013-01-06 11:56:23 AM
6 votes:

dynomutt: Oh, it'll be EASY to STFU after getting the vaccines, when the encephalitis kicks in.

http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm

/Stop taking vaccines with mercury and aluminum.
//Stop taking so many vaccines at once.
///Stop being echo-chamber tools.


My wife has actually made vaccines in the lab for a decade. I will quote her: "wow, dynomutt is a colossal idiot"
2013-01-06 02:36:19 PM
5 votes:

dynomutt: Nope, they add the mercury in, under a different name by the compound.
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-mercury.htm


That's like saying you pour chlorine all over your food when you add salt. It makes no sense: chemistry does not work that way.
2013-01-06 10:23:07 AM
4 votes:

dynomutt: Oh, it'll be EASY to STFU after getting the vaccines, when the encephalitis kicks in.

http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm

/Stop taking vaccines with mercury and aluminum.
//Stop taking so many vaccines at once.
///Stop being echo-chamber tools.


Stop being part of the problem! Idiot. You think I'm actually going to believe some website that collects conspiracy theories over, say, SCIENCE?
2013-01-06 01:45:00 PM
3 votes:

dynomutt: Only conspiracy theorists can cast aspersions instead of providing actual counterarguments.

"wow, dynomutt is a colossal idiot" - Really? How many kilocalories of glycogen were put out by brain cells did that quip take to come up with?


Yeah, I'm going to have to go with "wow, dynomutt is a colossal idiot" as well.
2013-01-06 11:58:46 AM
3 votes:

dynomutt: Oh, it'll be EASY to STFU after getting the vaccines, when the encephalitis kicks in.

http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm

/Stop taking vaccines with mercury and aluminum.
//Stop taking so many vaccines at once.
///Stop being echo-chamber tools.


Mercury only taken out for P.R. reasons, never been shown to be a problem.
No evidence that many vaccines at once is a problem; eating a clod of dirt while a toddler provides a bigger antigenic challenge.
All medicines have side effects, all a population-based risk-benefit analysis. Preventing a million cases of polio balances out the less than one-in-a-million severe adverse effects.

cdc.gov/vaccines
2013-01-06 09:21:14 AM
3 votes:
Anyone who thinks that a whore with fake tits famous only for showing them in Playboy knows more about vaccines than doctors should have their kids taken from them.
2013-01-07 10:25:02 PM
2 votes:

untaken_name: THIRTY THOUSAND CASES, EIGHTEEN DEATHS. That is NOTHING


I'm quite aware of what small numbers these are, but that was never the issue.

You're creating a false dichotomy, claiming that putting some extra effort into improving the reach of an established infrastructure for pertussis vaccination is some enormous burden taking away from something else. It's not.

untaken_name: That's a naked assertion with no possible way to back it up. First, you'd have to explain why "medical economics" licenses anything. Then why they justify it. You're not capable of that.


Well, I've only been a doctor for a dozen years or so, but I can certainly back this up. You see, there's an entire field of study called "cost-effectiveness analysis" in medicine, where the cost of an intervention is measured against the QALY (quality-adjusted years of life) saved. Some extremes are easy:
- polio vaccination in a child: cheap, can prolong life by decades. Cost-effective.
- organ transplant in a person over 80: expensive, will prolong life for short time. Cost-ineffective.

I actually work directly in cost-effectiveness in my day-to-day clinical practice -- I always use cheaper drugs when they will be reasonably effective.

BTW, I used "license" in a figurative way, not as in my medical license, but as in "gives us permission."

Here is a definition of QALY.

Annals of Internal Medicine published a discussion of evaluating cost-effectiveness of American health care here

Here's an article on the monetary value of QALY.


If we use a figure of $70k/year of life, to save 18 children who would live an additional 60 years, we could spent 70,000 * 18 * 60 = $75,600,000. You could tweak the numbers and bring it down an order of magnitude to $7M if you like, but the cost-effectiveness of improving pertussis coverage is likely good.

Okay, you don't buy it. Fine. Let's do a simpler calculation that is easier to grasp: How much does it cost to treat a case of pertussis? Assume every case is treated but NOBODY is hospitalized. (This is much cheaper than real life, where many are untreated but a bunch are hospitalized)

Standard treatment is a Z-pak, wholesale price $33.36. At 30,000 cases, that's a cost of $1 million in drug alone for the year, forgetting about ER visits or doctors' visits.

A 2005 study suggests pertussis vaccination results in $6-22K spent per year of life gained

In sum: Vaccination is cost-effective, that's why we do it. Improving vaccination improves cost-effectiveness.

Go away, junior, adults are talking here. Your uninformed opinion is irrelevant.

Love,
lake_huron, MD, PhD
2013-01-06 01:05:40 PM
2 votes:

dynomutt: Only conspiracy theorists can cast aspersions instead of providing actual counterarguments.

"wow, dynomutt is a colossal idiot" - Really? How many kilocalories of glycogen were put out by brain cells did that quip take to come up with?

Nope, they add the mercury in, under a different name by the compound.
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-mercury.htm

No, all you jokers can do is claim indignation at someone providing evidence describing a view that is different than the one that has been fed to you by entities that you trust that routinely lie to you.

Get out of your cave.


Lake huron provided a counter argument. You won't be convinced. You've made that clear.
2013-01-06 01:01:59 PM
2 votes:

dynomutt: No, all you jokers can do is claim indignation at someone providing evidence describing a view that is different than the one that has been fed to you by entities that you trust that routinely lie to you.

Get out of your cave.


so at what point do we just put the luddites on ignore?
There is not a single scientific study pointing to vaccines CAUSING autism.
There is a TON of studies showing that vaccines greatly reduce the chance of death. Much greater reduction than the chance of death from said vaccines.

/luddites
2013-01-06 12:05:41 PM
2 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: dynomutt: Oh, it'll be EASY to STFU after getting the vaccines, when the encephalitis kicks in.

http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm

/Stop taking vaccines with mercury and aluminum.
//Stop taking so many vaccines at once.
///Stop being echo-chamber tools.

My wife has actually made vaccines in the lab for a decade. I will quote her: "wow, dynomutt is a colossal idiot"


That may be one of the finest things I've ever seen on Fark.
2013-01-06 10:25:31 AM
2 votes:
The sad truth is you have to take some responsibility to know about these things, or at least ask your doctor. Most GP's anymore just want to deal with whatever your immediate problem is and get you out the door so they can see another patient.

The information is readily available. Googling "adult vaccine schedule" took me to this in two clicks:

For Everyone: Easy-to-read Schedules

Even if you don't have health insurance or a GP, you can get just about any standard vaccine from any clinic, including "minute clinics" at pharmacies.

/ travels in Asia often. You better believe I keep my vaccinations current.
2013-01-06 09:57:29 AM
2 votes:

drewsclues: I hate to defend someone with a lot of blood on her hands, but raise your hand if you knew you had to be vaccinated again for some diseases because the vaccine loses effectiveness over time. I sure as hell didn't.


The drop in effectiveness wouldn't matter as much if ALL people were getting vaccinated. McCarthy is still a horrible coont who needs to go away, NOW.
2013-01-06 09:01:14 AM
2 votes:

drewsclues: I hate to defend someone with a lot of blood on her hands, but raise your hand if you knew you had to be vaccinated again for some diseases because the vaccine loses effectiveness over time. I sure as hell didn't.


You mean you never had a booster shot?
2013-01-06 08:36:34 AM
2 votes:
Well, to be fair Pertussis was never on the edge of being eliminated entirely like some of the other diseases that we've clamped down on through vaccination. People failing to properly vaccinate probably doesn't help, though.

//And Measles and Mumps coming back are pretty much entirely the anti-vaccine idiots' fault.
2013-01-06 08:24:20 AM
2 votes:
http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.htm l
2013-01-07 12:12:07 PM
1 votes:
And for those who think that whooping cough vaccinations are a waste of time, there are about 30 million cases and 300,000 deaths world-wide from it each year.
Over 90% are in third-world countries. You know, those countries without aggressive immunization programs?
2013-01-06 04:13:22 PM
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: EvilEgg: macdaddy357: Anyone who thinks that a whore with fake tits famous only for showing them in Playboy knows more about vaccines than doctors should have their kids taken from them.

She's done research. Well not actual research, but she's read about other people's research, which makes her a scientician.

You left out the part where other people's research turned out to be wholesale fabricated in an attempt to promote the fabricator's own vaccine and the publication formally retracted.


FTFE
2013-01-06 02:17:11 PM
1 votes:
Just like an airplane crash, there are usually multiple contributing factors. Although Jenny McCarthy is certainly to blame for her rantings about the dangers of mercury enemas or whatever she's into, and possibly her "crystal child's" illnesses could have been prevented with proper pre-natal care or caught with an amniotic fluid test, the real issue here is some dipshiat stuck his dick in crazy and knocked her up in the first place.
2013-01-06 01:31:40 PM
1 votes:
If it kills humans, it can't be all bad.
2013-01-06 01:01:32 PM
1 votes:

mjbok: The scary part is she is getting a talk show. It might be on CNN, but I can't be assed to google it.


I can't stand that woman, and I'm not sure why. It's not the anti-vax stuff. She just looks like a colossal biatch or something. A narcissist. Which would explain why she thinks that her opinion about medicine is better than, say, a medical doctor's. Lots of medical doctors.
2013-01-06 12:17:39 PM
1 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: dynomutt: Oh, it'll be EASY to STFU after getting the vaccines, when the encephalitis kicks in.

http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm

/Stop taking vaccines with mercury and aluminum.
//Stop taking so many vaccines at once.
///Stop being echo-chamber tools.

My wife has actually made vaccines in the lab for a decade. I will quote her: "wow, dynomutt is a colossal idiot"


And so shall he be farkied.
2013-01-06 12:09:18 PM
1 votes:

stratagos: On the other hand... Evolution in action. The "I'm going to believe the tits rather than the PHD" gene is something humanity could do without


The evolution part isn't even effective. 1,000s of children under the age of one got pertussis, 18 died. Not only is that an unnecessary burden on health care, you aren't getting the survival of the fittest benefit. It's actually doubly hurting.
2013-01-06 12:08:31 PM
1 votes:
Everyone point and laugh at the anti-vaxxer.
2013-01-06 11:56:32 AM
1 votes:

dynomutt: ///Stop being echo-chamber tools.


Back at you.
2013-01-06 10:56:26 AM
1 votes:
I'm torn.

On the one hand, I don't want a kid getting killed because their parent is an idiot, never mind all the innocents who *can't* get vaccinations for whatever reason and get infected by someone who could.

On the other hand... Evolution in action. The "I'm going to believe the tits rather than the PHD" gene is something humanity could do without
2013-01-06 09:59:07 AM
1 votes:
I am so tired of listening to these anti-vaccine idiots.

Get your kids vaccinated. Get your boosters. And shut the fark up.
2013-01-06 09:57:50 AM
1 votes:

drewsclues: I hate to defend someone with a lot of blood on her hands, but raise your hand if you knew you had to be vaccinated again for some diseases because the vaccine loses effectiveness over time. I sure as hell didn't.



Raises hand.

You thought getting one shot as an infant would last your entire life? Seriously?
2013-01-06 09:55:14 AM
1 votes:
The spread of diseases we had eradicated in the 50's that are coming back now is due in part to the large influx of people not vetted through the normal immigration process, as well as lack of immunization.

Jenny would have much more credibility if she took her top off.
2013-01-06 09:26:02 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Not for whooping cough,


Actually, this is false. Doctor told me recently that they are recommending Pertussis booster shots now because of studies showing the shot you get as an infant does not last as long as they thought.

They are bundling with the Tetanus booster so you get both in one now. This is new and was totally surprising because I didn't recall reading anything on it in the news.
2013-01-06 09:03:08 AM
1 votes:

drewsclues: I hate to defend someone with a lot of blood on her hands, but raise your hand if you knew you had to be vaccinated again for some diseases because the vaccine loses effectiveness over time. I sure as hell didn't.


Do... do you never go to the doctor or something? Because that's the reason you have to transfer your medical records every time you get a new doctor for your basic checkups, and they'll check that for you every time you go in for one at the GP.

But yeah, I guess if you can't afford 30-50$ to see a doctor every couple of years to get reminded of this, remember that you need boosters something like once a decade. Not for whooping cough, obviously, that's not terribly dangerous if you're not an infant (or so old that someone else is doing your medical stuff anyhow), but for a number of other things. I don't know the list offhand, if I'm remembering right the MMR vaccine's on it, at least.
2013-01-06 08:37:20 AM
1 votes:
The best thing I've heard is that the vaccines many of us had as kids lose their effectiveness over many years, so we're vulnerable now too!

/And let's not forget to give thanks to the right parties. I'm talking about you, evolution and mutation.
 
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