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(Boulder Daily Camera)   You might have too much time on your hands if you organize a candlelight vigil to celebrate the life of a bull elk that wandered around your neighborhood. "All are welcome and the event is open to the public"   (dailycamera.com) divider line 37
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2013-01-06 01:32:52 PM
2 votes:

walkerhound: SwiftFox: Hmm. So, the elk would let you get within ten feet, then "begin to charge". And it didn't run away from his dog and attract a predator to chase it because it was healthy and unafraid. Terribles

Boulder deer and elk have an unusually high incidence of CWD. It may be the case that this animal was infected, which causes reduced fear of humans and other abnormal behavior. I say the penalty in this case is let the officers eat each and every bit of that animal untested, and let them wonder whether or not CWD may cause disease in humans.


I suspect the locals started to feed the thing.  I live in Estes Park, about 32 miles from Boulder.  I see tourist interacting with the Elk often.  When a group of people say things like "he was our guardian".. you know they were feeding it.  No other reason for it to stick around for weeks.
2013-01-06 10:59:01 AM
2 votes:

misterfweem: These are the same kinds of people who tell their kids to go pet the buffalo in Yellowstone National Park. And seriously, two officers put on leave for this? Come on, Boulder. You can do better than that. TO THE POLICE STATION WITH PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!


It's more that the cops tried to cover it up. They first denied discharging their weapon that night, The on-duty officer involved said he "forgot" to file it. This happened after the chief had made public statements claiming that no cops were involved. Which was quickly proven false by some pictures of the cop posing with the dead elk.

While The Peoples Republic of Boulder has some issues, the cops here are pretty idiotic and often claim they did nothing wrong. This is just another example. People are more pissed about the cover up in the first couple days of this. They didn't follow procedure and/or let the wildlife department handle it. We do have bears, mountain lions, mule dear, coyotes,and other wildlife pop into the town for a visit all the time, it's not like there isn't a set procedure for handling situations of an elk walking down the road.
2013-01-06 10:56:07 AM
2 votes:
1 word: Boulder.
2013-01-06 10:46:59 AM
2 votes:
It's more about the trigger-happy off-duty cop than the elk, I'm guessing.
2013-01-06 10:46:57 AM
2 votes:
Heh. Read the comments, they're already taken care of most things for us.
2013-01-06 06:40:42 PM
1 votes:
base935 : THANK YOU!

Additionally, it is not hunting season.
Shooting within city limits is against the law.
Law officers are required to report every single casing used.
They lied for about a day until the locals provided photos and testimony of what they witnessed.
The elk was not ill.
His antlers were intact.
He was in my friends back yard two days prior (she took and shared photos), and had visited for around 3 years.
She had named him Albert.
These rogue fellows wanted to feel power, get a trophey, and some meat.
They got caught.
Now, our tax dollars pay for their paid administrative leave (a nervous vacation).
Wonder how this would go down if yo and I had done this?
I hope they donate the fine rack to the local museum.
Senseless.
2013-01-06 02:44:01 PM
1 votes:
I think you guys are missing the point.

An on-duty officer with the Boulder Police Department on New Years Day, saw a huge racked Elk in a residential neighborhood. He pulled out his patrol shotgun, walked up to the tame trophy animal at 1130pm, and shot it once with a slug. Didn't remember to call dispatch, a supervisor, or the DOW. However, he did call his off-duty BPD friend, and with the help of another on-duty Boulder County Sheriff's deputy, loaded the 750lb animal into the back of a F250 for almost 2 hours. Witnesses reported the three LEOs discussing creating a roadkill story. When the homeowner asked the BPD the next morning what happened to the animal after this sloppy and suspicious disposal, the police denied any involvement for over two days. It was only after the family released a couple of pictures of the on-duty shooting officer posing like a trophy hunter that an investigation was started.

This is as much about a trophy Elk, as it is about the most unbelievable demonstration of police corruption possible. Boulder's Police have had their DUI officer getting a DUI from passing out in the road throwing up, another detective's DUI after 44 traffic contacts in 2 years, convictions for attempted murder of an ex-girlfriend, and on and on.

Article on the Elk Shooting

Article on the BPD Corruption Problems

extras.mnginteractive.com
"Officer" Sam Carter- You are a small-dicked little coward.
2013-01-06 02:28:09 PM
1 votes:

SwiftFox:
Too bad CWD prions are shed for so long before the few weeks of symptoms, 7-11 months for whitetails. I don't know how much contagion that is compared to the pile represented by the dead cervid at the end.


I have an ongoing experiment that shows upwards of 15mos of shedding, though symptoms can possibly last for months-years, depending on how observant your animal caretakers are. In the wild, they'd likely get picked off in weeks as you pointed out.

There are ways to estimate how much is shed, but right now it's just hand waving. My guess is that what's shed over time is pretty equivalent to what's there at the end, within a factor of 10-100.
2013-01-06 01:52:39 PM
1 votes:

walkerhound: SwiftFox: "In the last four years, 11 cases of a human form of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, have been diagnosed in rural western Kentucky, said Dr. Erick Weisman, clinical director of the Neurobehavioral Institute in Hartford, Ky., where the patients were treated.

Correlation ≠ causation. CJD has multiple genetic forms, and incidence of CJD may be affected by genetic variability of the population. You know where this is going. There's been nothing to come of that NYT report in the 15 years since. Nothing peer-reviewed or anything; no data typically means negative data. And my guess is that Dr. Weisman was talking out of his ass. Now if it were Charles Weissmann, I'd entertain it.

Not arguing the second part, just pointing out reports at a recent prion conference. The Rottweiler thing is shaky, at best, but hasn't been investigated much. The horse thing, as I mentioned, may have no basis in vivo. The stability of their prion protein is indeed what's thought to contribute to their resistance, but "nature will find a way."

Back to the discussion, though - let the cops eat the meat and wonder. The Division of Wildlife would also make them pay out the nose if any of that meat went to waste, but by no means should it be fed to the homeless. Why make homeless people be the guinea pigs?


Too bad CWD prions are shed for so long before the few weeks of symptoms, 7-11 months for whitetails. I don't know how much contagion that is compared to the pile represented by the dead cervid at the end.
2013-01-06 01:38:11 PM
1 votes:

santadog: I live in Estes Park, about 32 miles from Boulder.


I remember :) I'll be up in RMNP for elk sampling this week, we'll be interacting with them pretty closely :) Still, their CWD incidence is just about as high as RMNP, maybe higher.
2013-01-06 01:26:37 PM
1 votes:

SwiftFox: "In the last four years, 11 cases of a human form of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, have been diagnosed in rural western Kentucky, said Dr. Erick Weisman, clinical director of the Neurobehavioral Institute in Hartford, Ky., where the patients were treated.


Correlation ≠ causation. CJD has multiple genetic forms, and incidence of CJD may be affected by genetic variability of the population. You know where this is going. There's been nothing to come of that NYT report in the 15 years since. Nothing peer-reviewed or anything; no data typically means negative data. And my guess is that Dr. Weisman was talking out of his ass. Now if it were Charles Weissmann, I'd entertain it.

Not arguing the second part, just pointing out reports at a recent prion conference. The Rottweiler thing is shaky, at best, but hasn't been investigated much. The horse thing, as I mentioned, may have no basis in vivo. The stability of their prion protein is indeed what's thought to contribute to their resistance, but "nature will find a way."

Back to the discussion, though - let the cops eat the meat and wonder. The Division of Wildlife would also make them pay out the nose if any of that meat went to waste, but by no means should it be fed to the homeless. Why make homeless people be the guinea pigs?
2013-01-06 01:24:19 PM
1 votes:

zoobaby: A lot of people don't care that they shot the elk. They are pissed at the failed cover up and not following procedures.


Exactly, if the elk needed to be put down, then put it down.

Call fish and wildlife, fill out the proper forms, and list it in the police blotter.

/Don't deny it until you're caught, and then try to sweep it under a rug. We expect police to honor not just the law, but the spirit of it and if they can't be trusted to do that; they shouldn't be cops.
2013-01-06 01:06:37 PM
1 votes:

walkerhound: SwiftFox: Well, people can catch the folded protein that makes the others fold wrong be caught by eating squirrel brains.

Folklore.

CWD is the same prion protein folded the same wrong way and it's freaking contagious among deer. I'll skip that barbecue and leave it to coyotes to digest. Canines are immune to the disease because their version of the protein is designed so it can't fold the wrong way (also horses for some reason).

Also wrong, but I'll let it slide. The protein is different enough between deer/elk and humans that so far we don't know if humans can be affected. There are also reports of prion diseases in juvenile Rottweilers, for whatever reason. Probably the same deal as congenital CJD. In vitro, horse proteins can misfold, but so far there haven't been any recognized cases in the field.

/TMYK

"In the last four years, 11 cases of a human form of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, have been diagnosed in rural western Kentucky, said Dr. Erick Weisman, clinical director of the Neurobehavioral Institute in Hartford, Ky., where the patients were treated.

''All of them were squirrel-brain eaters,'' Dr. Weisman said. Of the 11 patients, at least 6 have died.

Within the small population of western Kentucky, the natural incidence of this disease should be one person getting it every 10 years or so, Dr. Weisman said. The appearance of this rare brain disease in so many people in just four years has taken scientists by surprise."

More than folklore.

As for the second, I was refering to the research by J.P. Zhang on those species and rabbits: "His conclusion is that the immune proteins are more stable than the others because of a salt bridge that connects two parts of the immune proteins "like a taught bow string". This prevents them from misfolding into an infectious form."
2013-01-06 12:43:37 PM
1 votes:

SwiftFox: Well, people can catch the folded protein that makes the others fold wrong be caught by eating squirrel brains.


Folklore.

CWD is the same prion protein folded the same wrong way and it's freaking contagious among deer. I'll skip that barbecue and leave it to coyotes to digest. Canines are immune to the disease because their version of the protein is designed so it can't fold the wrong way (also horses for some reason).

Also wrong, but I'll let it slide. The protein is different enough between deer/elk and humans that so far we don't know if humans can be affected. There are also reports of prion diseases in juvenile Rottweilers, for whatever reason. Probably the same deal as congenital CJD. In vitro, horse proteins can misfold, but so far there haven't been any recognized cases in the field.

/TMYK
2013-01-06 12:37:56 PM
1 votes:

SwiftFox: Hmm. So, the elk would let you get within ten feet, then "begin to charge". And it didn't run away from his dog and attract a predator to chase it because it was healthy and unafraid. Terribles


Dude, if you know anything about wild animals you'd know how stupid of thing you just said. A wild animal that's unafraid of humans and predators is a problem and not one you want to have in close proximity to people.
2013-01-06 12:37:18 PM
1 votes:
Numerous people living in the neighborhood insisted that it had not, that it appeared to be healthy, and said that they considered it their "guardian."

Those people are farking crazy... Ignore them and listen to the others.
2013-01-06 12:35:40 PM
1 votes:

walkerhound: SwiftFox: Hmm. So, the elk would let you get within ten feet, then "begin to charge". And it didn't run away from his dog and attract a predator to chase it because it was healthy and unafraid. Terribles

Boulder deer and elk have an unusually high incidence of CWD. It may be the case that this animal was infected, which causes reduced fear of humans and other abnormal behavior. I say the penalty in this case is let the officers eat each and every bit of that animal untested, and let them wonder whether or not CWD may cause disease in humans.


Well, people can catch the folded protein that makes the others fold wrong be caught by eating squirrel brains. Or by cannibalism. or from mad cows. And it doesn't show up for maybe decades. CWD is the same prion protein folded the same wrong way and it's freaking contagious among deer. I'll skip that barbecue and leave it to coyotes to digest. Canines are immune to the disease because their version of the protein is designed so it can't fold the wrong way (also horses for some reason).
2013-01-06 12:33:03 PM
1 votes:
I lived in Colorado for a few years. We used to call em Rocky Mountain rats. They are dumb as rocks and can be quite a nuisance during mating season. Not surprised this was in Boulder
2013-01-06 12:19:32 PM
1 votes:
Where is Westboro baptist church when you need them?
2013-01-06 12:17:44 PM
1 votes:

SwiftFox: Hmm. So, the elk would let you get within ten feet, then "begin to charge". And it didn't run away from his dog and attract a predator to chase it because it was healthy and unafraid. Terribles


Boulder deer and elk have an unusually high incidence of CWD. It may be the case that this animal was infected, which causes reduced fear of humans and other abnormal behavior. I say the penalty in this case is let the officers eat each and every bit of that animal untested, and let them wonder whether or not CWD may cause disease in humans.
2013-01-06 12:02:09 PM
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!:
To be fair, antlered animals can be very nasty. An elk is huge and can easily kill someone. If there were reports of an aggressive elk in town I can't be too angry if a cop took it out. I also can't be angry with the off-duty cop that took it to be processed. There's a ton of great meat in an elk; it's dead no matter what, why waste the meat?


You don't know Colorado very well. Wildlife is property of the state and its residents. The Division of Wildlife will make these cops squirm and pay through the nose, CDOW shows no favoritism and they should've been contacted prior to any action by law enforcement. Look up Samson's law.

little big man: Man, Boulder is about as cushy as police jobs go - when I worked in law enforcement in Boulder you'd have a hundred officers from the Denver metro area apply. Lots of DUIs, not much violent crime. Amazing that so many Boulder cops are screwing it up for themselves.


So cush that a bunch of their officers have been in the news for DWI and other charges themselves. The exact reason that Boulder's sort of government should be kept from spreading, you don't want the fox guarding the hen house. Boulder's sheeple are too naive to recognize that, I fear.
2013-01-06 11:39:38 AM
1 votes:
That was not just an Elk, it was a pretty good specimen, and casually killing it for meat, inside the freaking city limits? I hope those two donut-eaters get the sack.

/not anti-hunting
//nor anti-gun
///fer sure anti-stupid
2013-01-06 11:26:05 AM
1 votes:
After reading other articles, it seems as though the officer shot the Elk  with intention to have it processed.  On duty cop sees a trophy Elk, and uses his position to "remove it from the neighborhood" and into his freezer.
2013-01-06 11:18:47 AM
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Don't Troll Me Bro!: To be fair, antlered animals can be very nasty.

A moose bit my sister.


This is why I love Fark so much!

*Internet group hug*

/Yeah, I'm high.
//Why'd ya ask?
2013-01-06 11:09:38 AM
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: The elk had been spotted for several weeks on Mapleton Hill between 9th and 11th streets, and residents of the area gave conflicting reports as to whether it had behaved aggressively toward humans.

To be fair, antlered animals can be very nasty. An elk is huge and can easily kill someone. If there were reports of an aggressive elk in town I can't be too angry if a cop took it out. I also can't be angry with the off-duty cop that took it to be processed. There's a ton of great meat in an elk; it's dead no matter what, why waste the meat?

Numerous people living in the neighborhood insisted that it had not, that it appeared to be healthy, and said that they considered it their "guardian."

No, it's not a guardian. It's a bull elk. Again, antlered animals can be particularly vicious. It can turn on you in an instant if it feels you are a threat or a rival. People that view animals like this as "guardians" are typically the ones that get too close, get attacked, and are ultimately responsible when the animal has to be put down.


A lot of people don't care that they shot the elk. They are pissed at the failed cover up and not following procedures.

@chasd00 - Yeah those protesters have been out there for years really. About every 6 months they pick a new topic to protest.
2013-01-06 11:08:55 AM
1 votes:

wellreadneck: It's more about the trigger-happy offon-duty cop than the elk, I'm guessing.


The off-duty cop was the one helping the other asshole load the elk into his car so they could take it to the butcher. I'm sure asshole #1 will have a perfectly plausible story about the aggressive elk that had to be put down(with his personal .30-06 at 30 yards). I have no problem with wild animals being put down if they encroach on populated areas and pose a threat to people.  If the animal was a problem, call the DNR in and let them handle it. That's what they're paid to do.  From the info in TFA, it sounds like these 2 pussies just wanted an easy kill for some meat and probably a trophy over the mantle.
2013-01-06 11:06:01 AM
1 votes:

Hugemeister: Sounds like a job for Ted Nugent. Yeah another small dick former high school bully living out his Cartman fantasies of Au-thor-i-ty = cop. I remember watching some bullsh*t few years back called Ted Nugent Spirit of the Wild or some such 'reality' crap....and there he is...Uncle Ted at 6:45 in the evening telling the boys to hurry up and get to the deer blind where they have a pellet feeder set up on fenced property to drop pellets at 7 pm every day. And so these 'wild' animals show up like clockwork at 6:55 every evening and mill around the feeder right under the blind.
Wow, real challenging hunt there Uncle Ted. Not quite the dick move are formerly noted 'hero' who was protecting and serving us.......


Yeah, that shiat is WEAK. Like calling an AR-15 a 'hunting rifle'. Hm. So I can call Ted Nugent a candy-ass! Cool.
2013-01-06 11:06:01 AM
1 votes:
The elk had been spotted for several weeks on Mapleton Hill between 9th and 11th streets, and residents of the area gave conflicting reports as to whether it had behaved aggressively toward humans.

To be fair, antlered animals can be very nasty. An elk is huge and can easily kill someone. If there were reports of an aggressive elk in town I can't be too angry if a cop took it out. I also can't be angry with the off-duty cop that took it to be processed. There's a ton of great meat in an elk; it's dead no matter what, why waste the meat?

Numerous people living in the neighborhood insisted that it had not, that it appeared to be healthy, and said that they considered it their "guardian."

No, it's not a guardian. It's a bull elk. Again, antlered animals can be particularly vicious. It can turn on you in an instant if it feels you are a threat or a rival. People that view animals like this as "guardians" are typically the ones that get too close, get attacked, and are ultimately responsible when the animal has to be put down.
2013-01-06 11:04:18 AM
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Allen. The end.: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I haven't heard of a memorial event this stupid since the Rachel Corrie pancake breakfast.

No way...are you serious?

Yes.


Oh, that is just...in bad taste. And I'm not talking boysenberry...

/see, I'm conflicted. Elk and deer taste great, but they are also sentient beings. Humans might taste great, but are in terrible shape are are barely sentient beings...I'm also looking for a mythical town that's really like 'northern exposure town'...which, having lived in Alaska, does NOT exist!
2013-01-06 10:58:49 AM
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I haven't heard of a memorial event this stupid since the Rachel Corrie pancake breakfast.


No way...are you serious?
2013-01-06 10:57:57 AM
1 votes:
And DAMN, the comments on the site are already full of junior-high level snark, 'irony', and just general shiattiness.
2013-01-06 10:55:51 AM
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I haven't heard of a memorial event this stupid since the Rachel Corrie pancake breakfast.


Apparently Boulder also had one for a tree.
2013-01-06 10:54:25 AM
1 votes:
I haven't heard of a memorial event this stupid since the Rachel Corrie pancake breakfast.
2013-01-06 10:53:33 AM
1 votes:

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Thought of this immediately. Thanks!
2013-01-06 10:49:29 AM
1 votes:
kara.allthingsd.com
2013-01-06 10:48:59 AM
1 votes:
These are the same kinds of people who tell their kids to go pet the buffalo in Yellowstone National Park. And seriously, two officers put on leave for this? Come on, Boulder. You can do better than that. TO THE POLICE STATION WITH PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-06 07:55:05 AM
1 votes:
He was a brave elk, a noble elk. He helped me get over my gambling addiction, my daughter with her math homework, and used to throw the best intergalactic keggers on the block. Even after death he was one of the best elk burgers I ever had.

RIP old friend
 
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