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(NJ.com)   19-year-old Socialist wins spot on Board of Education, which is perfect, since he already knows everything   (nj.com) divider line 28
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2013-01-06 07:36:29 AM
7 votes:
Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!
2013-01-06 09:15:28 AM
4 votes:

jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?


Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?
2013-01-06 08:25:30 AM
4 votes:

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.
2013-01-06 08:52:22 AM
3 votes:

Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time


To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.
2013-01-06 08:00:12 AM
3 votes:
"I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

www.lonelyplanet.com
2013-01-06 08:38:58 AM
2 votes:

RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.


"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time
2013-01-06 08:28:49 AM
2 votes:
To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.
2013-01-06 08:25:38 AM
2 votes:

DenisBergkamp: I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places.


A) A seat on a local school board is about the easiest office to win

B) Public schools are a classic example of Socialism at work.
2013-01-06 08:19:52 AM
2 votes:

randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?


You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there
2013-01-06 08:09:24 AM
2 votes:
I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.
2013-01-06 07:38:11 AM
2 votes:
Now, Noble said he plans to stand up for his socialist beliefs as a member of the Red Bank Regional school board.

"I'm hoping to bring a different perspective, a left-wing perspective to a board full of capitalists," he said. "I have a different view point, both as a younger person and a Socialist, that I think could have a positive impact in and of itself."


Right. Capitalists on school boards. Good jorb, kid.
2013-01-07 10:32:01 AM
1 votes:

RabidJade: Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


Please put down the Kool-Aid and slowly step away.

Also, anyone who uses "socialist" and "liberal" in connection with each other really doesn't know anything about either. Marxism is not liberal - at all. I know this may make some tiny brains explode, but Marxism is left-wing conservative. Big military budgets, aggressive foreign policies, and an education system based on indoctrination - just like what Republicans want.

Marxists aren't anti-gun - because it's every citizen's duty to defend the homeland. Which makes them more pro-2nd amendment, in it's literal definition of militias, than most NRA lobbyists. Remember, the Soviet Union had no qualms about women in the military - and their women kicked a lot of Nazi butt, I might add. Marxists aren't feminist because in an a truly equal society the very idea loses it's meaning. See previous statement. Marxists most certainly aren't pacifists and they always have a long-term plan going on.

See, here is the problem with America's derp brigade. You say socialist and they think:

ts1.mm.bing.net


And in reality it's more like:

media.moddb.com


So yes, conservative-left. As opposed to Libertarians, who represent the liberal-right. Let that sink in for a while.
2013-01-06 09:54:25 AM
1 votes:

nicoffeine: Being 19 and not having the ability to see what's wrong with any form of government or economics is pretty typical. A 19-year-old's grasp of reality is tenuous, at best. I'm thinking a School Board is not a good place for him.


He's better suited for the job than some bibletard who thinks the Flintstones was a documentary.

What Genesis might have looked like:

i560.photobucket.com
2013-01-06 09:14:22 AM
1 votes:

randomjsa: I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.


I'm pretty sure that in this case, it's both.
2013-01-06 09:07:08 AM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.


Like this guy, you mean?
i18.photobucket.com
2013-01-06 09:06:39 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.

Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.


Yes. Entirely capitalisms fault. Cheap money from the fed had zero effect. Removal of risk by the government backed assurances had no effect. Capitalism was the sole culprit.
2013-01-06 09:02:15 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]

Wait...what does a country notorious for dodging taxes have anything to do with this?


But in another thread you and your ilk claimed Greece's problems were solely from austerity measures implemented just a year ago.
2013-01-06 09:01:46 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.

Stop making sense!


He is not making any sense.   Liberals are about "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" .Not since around 1960.
2013-01-06 08:47:56 AM
1 votes:
Wild guess. He plans to take money from someone he thinks has too much and give it to someone he thinks has too little.
2013-01-06 08:44:02 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.


When things go wrong in any financial system everybody tends to get screwed. That doesn't really change the fact that there are meaningful differences in how the various systems function, and the mutual profit motive (that both parties can legitimately expect to get something out of any given interaction) is definitely one of the underlying distinguishing ones in this case, since there's no such expectation in a socialized industry.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with one or the other philosophically, but it's a very significant practical and theoretical difference. Socialism is entirely fine with only one side benefiting, but in most capitalist systems a contract where both parties don't get something is actually not even considered a contract, or enforceable.

//For clarification, I am actually a rochdale socialist, and I still think the kid in TFA is a bloody idiot, so I don't think I'm on anyone's 'side' on this one. Just pointing shiat out.
2013-01-06 08:37:04 AM
1 votes:

Kriggerel: To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.


I like the experiment where the professor said everyone is going to get the same grade no matter who is more talented or works the hardest. The students didn't like that idea.
2013-01-06 08:27:56 AM
1 votes:
Seems like the right place for a socialist. At least he honestly labels his beliefs.
2013-01-06 08:27:01 AM
1 votes:
"I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it. The rest is pretty much history," said Noble, who summed up the socialist philosophy as "a society built for the majority instead of the elite minority."

Wait, he did some research on it but can't come up with any better way to summarize it than the same one-liner propaganda boilerplate used to describe everything from democracy to constitutional monarchy to outright despotism?

I mean, there are things that actually distinguish the system from capitalist democracies, you know. Nationalization and collective management of resources in general, mainly. Plenty of ways to answer that question that don't make you sound like a gibbering moron without the slightest concept of what socialism is.
2013-01-06 08:07:37 AM
1 votes:
One of the most annoying people I've met in person was a "proud Socialist" with a touch of Leninist as well.

I RTFA, wasn't really impressed with it other than he's touting the typical talking points that newcomers usually bring up (no budget cuts, make things better, etc). The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.
2013-01-06 08:07:04 AM
1 votes:
BONUS POINTS: Being a socialist in a town named "REDBANK".
2013-01-06 08:05:59 AM
1 votes:
www.zerohedge.com
2013-01-06 08:05:24 AM
1 votes:

narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.


That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.
2013-01-06 07:39:36 AM
1 votes:
I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.
 
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