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2013-01-06 07:36:29 AM
Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!
 
2013-01-06 07:38:11 AM
Now, Noble said he plans to stand up for his socialist beliefs as a member of the Red Bank Regional school board.

"I'm hoping to bring a different perspective, a left-wing perspective to a board full of capitalists," he said. "I have a different view point, both as a younger person and a Socialist, that I think could have a positive impact in and of itself."


Right. Capitalists on school boards. Good jorb, kid.
 
2013-01-06 07:38:58 AM
A 'slow' learner. Republicans knows everything they'll need by age 2.
 
2013-01-06 07:39:36 AM
I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.
 
2013-01-06 07:53:09 AM

narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.


THIS!
 
2013-01-06 07:59:10 AM
Seems redundant.
 
2013-01-06 08:00:12 AM
"I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

www.lonelyplanet.com
 
2013-01-06 08:01:14 AM

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


And as to the headline... I can see he does know more than some...
 
2013-01-06 08:02:50 AM

Mrtraveler01: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

THIS!


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New Jersey, the US capital of Southern Baptists. Derp on.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:12 AM

david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

THIS!

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New Jersey, the US capital of Southern Baptists. Derp on.


That or you can look at Texas where a dentist heads the board of education and is trying to rewrite the school ciriculum because he thinks it's too liberally biased.

Derp on indeed.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:50 AM

hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]


Wait...what does a country notorious for dodging taxes have anything to do with this?
 
2013-01-06 08:05:09 AM
Wow, the derp in the comment section is aready huge...
 
2013-01-06 08:05:24 AM

narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.


That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.
 
2013-01-06 08:05:59 AM
www.zerohedge.com
 
2013-01-06 08:06:28 AM

jso2897: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.


Agreed.

The best mix is probably somewhere down the middle.
 
2013-01-06 08:07:04 AM
BONUS POINTS: Being a socialist in a town named "REDBANK".
 
2013-01-06 08:07:19 AM

Dadoody: [www.zerohedge.com image 850x486]


LOL Zerohedge

"Math Republicans Libertarians do to make themselves feel better"
 
2013-01-06 08:07:37 AM
One of the most annoying people I've met in person was a "proud Socialist" with a touch of Leninist as well.

I RTFA, wasn't really impressed with it other than he's touting the typical talking points that newcomers usually bring up (no budget cuts, make things better, etc). The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:20 AM
How DARE he have a set of political views different from the majority. BURN HIM!
 
2013-01-06 08:09:24 AM
I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.
 
2013-01-06 08:16:31 AM
I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places. FTFA the guy mentions his socialist battle with capitalists and being anti war, both issues I can't imagine being major problems for a school board.

I get the feeling this is a man who finished his vocational school and took the first public office he could get his hands on.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:52 AM

randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?


You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there
 
2013-01-06 08:22:11 AM

randomjsa: I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.


Umm...wot?
 
2013-01-06 08:25:30 AM

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.
 
2013-01-06 08:25:38 AM

DenisBergkamp: I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places.


A) A seat on a local school board is about the easiest office to win

B) Public schools are a classic example of Socialism at work.
 
2013-01-06 08:27:01 AM
"I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it. The rest is pretty much history," said Noble, who summed up the socialist philosophy as "a society built for the majority instead of the elite minority."

Wait, he did some research on it but can't come up with any better way to summarize it than the same one-liner propaganda boilerplate used to describe everything from democracy to constitutional monarchy to outright despotism?

I mean, there are things that actually distinguish the system from capitalist democracies, you know. Nationalization and collective management of resources in general, mainly. Plenty of ways to answer that question that don't make you sound like a gibbering moron without the slightest concept of what socialism is.
 
2013-01-06 08:27:56 AM
Seems like the right place for a socialist. At least he honestly labels his beliefs.
 
2013-01-06 08:28:49 AM
To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.
 
2013-01-06 08:29:13 AM

RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.
 
2013-01-06 08:31:46 AM
www.punkerslut.com
 
2013-01-06 08:33:32 AM
he must be fun at parties
 
2013-01-06 08:33:46 AM

Dwight_Yeast: DenisBergkamp: I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places.

A) A seat on a local school board is about the easiest office to win

B) Public schools are a classic example of Socialism at work.


Pretty much my point. He took the first political office he could land, the easy stepping stone of a school board, and is trumpeting a battle that likely won't be faced.

Maybe he is passionate about his beliefs regardless of if they're justified. That being said, I don't think he will find much of an outlet for change to come from his time on the board.
 
2013-01-06 08:36:28 AM
Oh, socialism.
 
2013-01-06 08:37:04 AM

Kriggerel: To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.


I like the experiment where the professor said everyone is going to get the same grade no matter who is more talented or works the hardest. The students didn't like that idea.
 
2013-01-06 08:38:58 AM

RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.


"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time
 
2013-01-06 08:40:45 AM

Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time


I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.
 
2013-01-06 08:44:02 AM

Mrtraveler01: Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.


When things go wrong in any financial system everybody tends to get screwed. That doesn't really change the fact that there are meaningful differences in how the various systems function, and the mutual profit motive (that both parties can legitimately expect to get something out of any given interaction) is definitely one of the underlying distinguishing ones in this case, since there's no such expectation in a socialized industry.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with one or the other philosophically, but it's a very significant practical and theoretical difference. Socialism is entirely fine with only one side benefiting, but in most capitalist systems a contract where both parties don't get something is actually not even considered a contract, or enforceable.

//For clarification, I am actually a rochdale socialist, and I still think the kid in TFA is a bloody idiot, so I don't think I'm on anyone's 'side' on this one. Just pointing shiat out.
 
2013-01-06 08:46:41 AM
Ah screw it, as long as the kid doesn't dog fark it through his term and actually pushes against social regression like creationism I would put up with his teenage political idealism.
 
2013-01-06 08:46:52 AM
Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.
 
2013-01-06 08:47:23 AM

Jim_Callahan: Mrtraveler01: Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.

When things go wrong in any financial system everybody tends to get screwed. That doesn't really change the fact that there are meaningful differences in how the various systems function, and the mutual profit motive (that both parties can legitimately expect to get something out of any given interaction) is definitely one of the underlying distinguishing ones in this case, since there's no such expectation in a socialized industry.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with one or the other philosophically, but it's a very significant practical and theoretical difference. Socialism is entirely fine with only one side benefiting, but in most capitalist systems a contract where both parties don't get something is actually not even considered a contract, or enforceable.

//For clarification, I am actually a rochdale socialist, and I still think the kid in TFA is a bloody idiot, so I don't think I'm on anyone's 'side' on this one. Just pointing shiat out.


No worries,

Like I said before, I think the best solution might be a mix of the two because a pure version of either has proven to be disastrous in the past.

But this kid probably is one of those that is socialist because he's young and wants to be different. Same reason why so many younger people become libertarians and fall for Ron Paul's tripe.
 
2013-01-06 08:47:56 AM
Wild guess. He plans to take money from someone he thinks has too much and give it to someone he thinks has too little.
 
2013-01-06 08:49:08 AM
This is fark, so I'm sure someone will come in a call him a hipster soon enough.
 
2013-01-06 08:50:04 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.


He probably won't get too far past his unpaid spot on some local Board of Education.

But like others have said, after seeing radical right-wingers try to hijack local Boards of Education, it's nice to see someone who isn't a Tea Party fundie nutjob get the spot.
 
2013-01-06 08:52:22 AM

Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time


To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.
 
2013-01-06 08:53:17 AM

Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.


Stop making sense!
 
2013-01-06 08:53:26 AM

Dwight_Yeast: B) Public schools are a classic example of Socialism at work.


I'm always amazed that so few people understand this.
 
2013-01-06 08:54:08 AM

RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


What? Profit implies loss to the party that initially has buying power. Also, blah-blah, too early for economic talk. Me go sleep now.
 
2013-01-06 08:54:52 AM

Mrtraveler01: Stop making sense!


I would, but the banana nutbar orangello bonobos.
 
2013-01-06 08:56:24 AM

Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.


You sound 20.
 
2013-01-06 09:01:46 AM

Mrtraveler01: Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.

Stop making sense!


He is not making any sense.   Liberals are about "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" .Not since around 1960.
 
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