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2013-01-06 11:43:48 AM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.

Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.

Yes. Entirely capitalisms fault. Cheap money from the fed had zero effect. Removal of risk by the government backed assurances had no effect. Capitalism was the sole culprit.


Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home. I know a man who made a fortune in the crash and I asked him how. He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.
 
2013-01-06 11:50:02 AM  

M11618: Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home.


That's exactly what deregulation did.

/rolls eyes

M11618: He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.


That's not the bank's fault is it? No, the government forced these banks to do this even though they really didn't want to *snicker*.
 
2013-01-06 11:54:36 AM  
media.nj.com

Jeebus, what an asshat. "Hello. I've dedicated my life to equitable ownership of the means of production. In my spare time I like to watch trains and alphabetize my booger collection."
 
2013-01-06 12:08:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: M11618: Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home.

That's exactly what deregulation did.

/rolls eyes

M11618: He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.

That's not the bank's fault is it? No, the government forced these banks to do this even though they really didn't want to *snicker*.


Not that they didn't want to, but because the government took away the risk. Any business decision is based on risk vs reward, weighing pros and cons. The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment. this took away the risk and when weighing pros vs cons the complete lack of downsides made making these loans a sound business decision.
Government sticking there first gets where they don't belong caused the housing bubble. The crash and recession were the natural results of government interference.
 
2013-01-06 12:12:09 PM  

Ravage: Mrtraveler01: M11618: Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home.

That's exactly what deregulation did.

/rolls eyes

M11618: He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.

That's not the bank's fault is it? No, the government forced these banks to do this even though they really didn't want to *snicker*.

Not that they didn't want to, but because the government took away the risk. Any business decision is based on risk vs reward, weighing pros and cons. The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment. this took away the risk and when weighing pros vs cons the complete lack of downsides made making these loans a sound business decision.
Government sticking there first gets where they don't belong caused the housing bubble. The crash and recession were the natural results of government interference.


first gets = fingers.
/damnyouautocorrect
 
2013-01-06 12:12:48 PM  
So how is he any different from any other other teenager?
 
2013-01-06 12:19:31 PM  
DenisBergkamp
I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places. FTFA the guy mentions his socialist battle with capitalists and being anti war, both issues I can't imagine being major problems for a school board.

As he said, he wants to oust military recruiters. And public education (particularly in New Jersey) is under attack by the charter scam.


badhatharry
I like the experiment where the professor said everyone is going to get the same grade no matter who is more talented or works the hardest. The students didn't like that idea.

Grades aren't scarce.

modern conservative beliefs. Keeping traditional American values like individual freedom,

like freedom to get gay married or smoke pot

equal opportunity (not equal results)

which is why Republicans are in favor of providing children with universal healthcare, uniformly high-quality free education, and a guaranteed poverty-free standard of living. Oh wait.

and individual rights.

like freedom to get gay married or smoke pot


Son of Thunder
Paul... ist... Paulian... Paulite...

Ronpauloompa
 
2013-01-06 12:22:34 PM  
The Face Of Oblivion
media.nj.com

lol wow he looks like every socialist ever
whatever kind of hat that is, tinted glasses, goatee- yeah.
Then again half of the people on my team look like this
 
2013-01-06 12:27:32 PM  
mom or dad must be hooked in somewhere. the typical NJ response to young folks showing true interest in a seat of responsibility is to set them up for an arrest record.
 
2013-01-06 12:41:21 PM  
This fat body kids needs to redistribute his junk food to the proletariat
 
2013-01-06 12:50:07 PM  

jso2897: occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]

You can't have much of a riot with five people. I can find you plenty of similar posts with righties threatening to break out the artillery if Obama won. Shall we characterize all Romney supporters by that standard?


He wasn't waving the banner of Romney or anything he was making the point someone thinking riots could happen based on people's actual words isn't someone who is delusional it is someone who expects people to be responsible for the stupid shiat that comes out of their brain to their mouth or their fingers. If I said I was going to kill someone and they drop dead soon after the police would be at my doorstep thinking I might have something to do with it because damn straight people should be responsible for the shiat they say.
 
2013-01-06 12:50:41 PM  

Ravage: The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment


The government is paying people's mortgages? You sound real well-informed.

I guess that's why there have been no foreclosures in recent years.

Foreclosures by year
2012 (Jan-Sept) 1,616,427
2011 3,920,418
2010 3,843,548
2009 3,457,643
2008 3,019,482
2007 2,203,295
2006 1,215,304
2005 801,563
2004 640,000
2003 660,000
2002 700,000
2001 540,000
2000 470,000
 
2013-01-06 01:01:19 PM  

Phil Payne: jso2897: occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]

You can't have much of a riot with five people. I can find you plenty of similar posts with righties threatening to break out the artillery if Obama won. Shall we characterize all Romney supporters by that standard?

He wasn't waving the banner of Romney or anything he was making the point someone thinking riots could happen based on people's actual words isn't someone who is delusional it is someone who expects people to be responsible for the stupid shiat that comes out of their brain to their mouth or their fingers. If I said I was going to kill someone and they drop dead soon after the police would be at my doorstep thinking I might have something to do with it because damn straight people should be responsible for the shiat they say.


I don't recall saying anyone was "delusional". My point was that there is not much percentage in believing all the crazy stuff one reads on the internet. Obama was re-elected, and so far the thousands of loudmouths who made threatening noises on the internet have not made any attempt to "water the tree of liberty", as they like to say - and I was never seriously concerned that they would.
I was also never seriously concerned that the sort of hotheads in the posts in question were going to do anything if Romney won. Should I have been?
Well, I don't think so. Why would I apply a double standard?
 
2013-01-06 01:05:19 PM  

jaytkay: Ravage: The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment

The government is paying people's mortgages? You sound real well-informed.

I guess that's why there have been no foreclosures in recent years.

Foreclosures by year
2012 (Jan-Sept) 1,616,427
2011 3,920,418
2010 3,843,548
2009 3,457,643
2008 3,019,482
2007 2,203,295
2006 1,215,304
2005 801,563
2004 640,000
2003 660,000
2002 700,000
2001 540,000
2000 470,000


Well, don't expect too much - he still thinks the crash was all about bad mortgages given to poors and minorities, and that the financial institutions who were allowed to package these loans in blind instruments and peddle them as having AAA ratings had nothing to do with it. The worst part of the debacle was due to governments FAILURE to interfere in a "business practice" that is essentially outright fraud.
 
2013-01-06 01:24:31 PM  
Why did I just thought I saw the face of the next 'Bernie'?
 
2013-01-06 01:31:49 PM  

jaytkay: Ravage: The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment

The government is paying people's mortgages? You sound real well-informed.

I guess that's why there have been no foreclosures in recent years.

Foreclosures by year
2012 (Jan-Sept) 1,616,427
2011 3,920,418
2010 3,843,548
2009 3,457,643
2008 3,019,482
2007 2,203,295
2006 1,215,304
2005 801,563
2004 640,000
2003 660,000
2002 700,000
2001 540,000
2000 470,000


The government guaranteed payment and then the government paid. Or did you miss the giant bailout to the banks that were "to big to be allowed to fail"?
 
2013-01-06 02:17:34 PM  

Ravage: The government guaranteed payment and then the government paid. Or did you miss the giant bailout to the banks that were "to big to be allowed to fail"?


So you're saying the government announced the bailout years in advance.

Why do conservatives wear ignorance as badge of honor?
 
2013-01-06 03:24:37 PM  

jaytkay: Ravage: The government guaranteed payment and then the government paid. Or did you miss the giant bailout to the banks that were "to big to be allowed to fail"?

So you're saying the government announced the bailout years in advance.

Why do conservatives wear ignorance as badge of honor?


It isn't ignorance. It's a sound, comprehensive understanding of the features of a problem they are ideologically inclined to look at, coupled with a refusal to acknowledge the aspects of that problem hat don't fit with that ideology. And to be fair, they are not the only ones who can make this error - all ideologues, of all persuasions do. The cure is to stop looking at the world through to filter of ideology.
Yeah - I know - easy said, hard done. Let us ALL resolve to do our best, eh?
 
2013-01-06 03:25:57 PM  
As a European I have no problem with someone describing their political view as socialist.

Oddly I find many of the institutions in the US more socialist than those over here. (e.g. Many cities in the US appear to own their own electricity, water etc. utility companies)

/Same bank bailout though
 
2013-01-06 03:35:58 PM  

jamspoon: As a European I have no problem with someone describing their political view as socialist.

Oddly I find many of the institutions in the US more socialist than those over here. (e.g. Many cities in the US appear to own their own electricity, water etc. utility companies)

/Same bank bailout though


I believe that in Chicago, the water is free. At least for most homes.
 
2013-01-06 03:50:40 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: jamspoon: As a European I have no problem with someone describing their political view as socialist.

Oddly I find many of the institutions in the US more socialist than those over here. (e.g. Many cities in the US appear to own their own electricity, water etc. utility companies)

/Same bank bailout though

I believe that in Chicago, the water is free. At least for most homes.


Nope. I paid my Chicago water bill a couple of days ago.
 
2013-01-06 03:55:17 PM  

jaytkay: I paid my Chicago water bill a couple of days ago.


Forgot to add - water and sewer are city utilities in Chicago. Electricity and gas are commercial utilities.

When I lived in Los Angeles, we had city-supplied electric.
 
2013-01-06 05:34:37 PM  

M11618: You know what is sad? I taught for awhile at an inner city school and many many kids there desperately wanted to join the military as they saw it as a way out. I had been in the Marines so they'd ask me for advice. I'd say study, they wouldn't, and most of them couldn't even pass the asvab.


The ASVAB is, at root, an IQ test. IQ 80% heritable.

Now, studying for the AVSAB can certainly help. But some people will never be able to score at the 30th percentile, no matter how much they study.
 
2013-01-06 06:05:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01:
But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.



Their, there, they're.
 
2013-01-07 10:32:01 AM  

RabidJade: Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


Please put down the Kool-Aid and slowly step away.

Also, anyone who uses "socialist" and "liberal" in connection with each other really doesn't know anything about either. Marxism is not liberal - at all. I know this may make some tiny brains explode, but Marxism is left-wing conservative. Big military budgets, aggressive foreign policies, and an education system based on indoctrination - just like what Republicans want.

Marxists aren't anti-gun - because it's every citizen's duty to defend the homeland. Which makes them more pro-2nd amendment, in it's literal definition of militias, than most NRA lobbyists. Remember, the Soviet Union had no qualms about women in the military - and their women kicked a lot of Nazi butt, I might add. Marxists aren't feminist because in an a truly equal society the very idea loses it's meaning. See previous statement. Marxists most certainly aren't pacifists and they always have a long-term plan going on.

See, here is the problem with America's derp brigade. You say socialist and they think:

ts1.mm.bing.net


And in reality it's more like:

media.moddb.com


So yes, conservative-left. As opposed to Libertarians, who represent the liberal-right. Let that sink in for a while.
 
2013-01-07 10:41:41 AM  
NephilimNexus
Also, anyone who uses "socialist" and "liberal" in connection with each other really doesn't know anything about either. Marxism is not liberal - at all. I know this may make some tiny brains explode, but Marxism is left-wing conservative. Big military budgets, aggressive foreign policies, and an education system based on indoctrination - just like what Republicans want.

Lots and lots of this. Especially Stalinists.
 
2013-01-09 04:08:42 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

THIS!

.
New Jersey, the US capital of Southern Baptists. Derp on.


I have a Baptist aunt and uncle that live in Jersey that my fundy parents & other aunts have ostracized for being too Baptist. Then again, they live in the south Jersey Pine Barrens and not Monmouth County, where this article depicts, so I suppose your point still stands.
 
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