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2013-01-06 09:02:15 AM  

Mrtraveler01: hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]

Wait...what does a country notorious for dodging taxes have anything to do with this?


But in another thread you and your ilk claimed Greece's problems were solely from austerity measures implemented just a year ago.
 
2013-01-06 09:05:52 AM  
Guy, you get two thumbs up from me, another proud socialist.
 
2013-01-06 09:06:00 AM  
TFA: Noble said he would also fight to get military recruitment and other military-related activities banned from school grounds.

"I'm antiwar, absolutely," he said. "And I'm against poaching high school kids and sending them to the front lines of a war they have nothing to do with, they didn't start and will not benefit from."


Yeah, socialist regimes are totally famous for their anti-military stance.
upload.wikimedia.org

Or maybe large portions of your politics have bugger-all to do with socialism and are irrelevant to the point of TFA.
 
2013-01-06 09:06:29 AM  
A socialist in Red Bank?

/RED Bank.
 
2013-01-06 09:06:35 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.


I'm seeing variations back to John Adams and some from the French Revolution, both to fit the politics of the day.

How about this - your politics at 40 will likely be different than your politics at 20. At least to some degree
 
2013-01-06 09:06:39 AM  

Mrtraveler01: RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.

Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.


Yes. Entirely capitalisms fault. Cheap money from the fed had zero effect. Removal of risk by the government backed assurances had no effect. Capitalism was the sole culprit.
 
2013-01-06 09:07:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.


Like this guy, you mean?
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-06 09:08:09 AM  

badhatharry: Kriggerel: To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.

I like the experiment where the professor said everyone is going to get the same grade no matter who is more talented or works the hardest. The students didn't like that idea.


Or that the students get grades according to their needs.
 
2013-01-06 09:08:23 AM  

Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.


25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.
 
2013-01-06 09:09:28 AM  
He seems well intentioned, and at least seems to be trying to make a difference rather than just biatch in the pub or online. When he's tempered a bit by experience he might make a good politician.

/or more likely become cynical, jaded, corrupt, and just stop giving a shiat.
 
2013-01-06 09:10:06 AM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]

Wait...what does a country notorious for dodging taxes have anything to do with this?

But in another thread you and your ilk claimed Greece's problems were solely from austerity measures implemented just a year ago.


No, we said that Greece's economic problems NOW are a result of the austerity measures. The reason they got into such a fiscal mess in the first place is because they didn't enforce taxes too well to the point where tax dodging was a national pasttime.

Sorry if you can't grasp simple concepts like that.
 
2013-01-06 09:11:02 AM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.

Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.

Yes. Entirely capitalisms fault. Cheap money from the fed had zero effect. Removal of risk by the government backed assurances had no effect. Capitalism was the sole culprit.


I would blame it less on capitalism itself than on neocon morons who think capitalism, in and of itself, constitutes a robust and functional social system.
 
2013-01-06 09:11:27 AM  

jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?
[i18.photobucket.com image 611x404]


His case of being a career politician is different because....shut up.
 
2013-01-06 09:14:22 AM  

randomjsa: I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.


I'm pretty sure that in this case, it's both.
 
2013-01-06 09:15:28 AM  

jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?


Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?
 
2013-01-06 09:17:22 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.

25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.


The quote doesn't state all conservatives at 40 have brains. The quote only stated that if you are not a conservative at 40, then you don't have a brain.
 
2013-01-06 09:17:40 AM  

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


Programs or pogroms?
 
2013-01-06 09:18:49 AM  

occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.

25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.

The quote doesn't state all conservatives at 40 have brains. The quote only stated that if you are not a conservative at 40, then you don't have a brain.


But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.
 
2013-01-06 09:19:08 AM  

badhatharry: Mrtraveler01: Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.

Stop making sense!

He is not making any sense.   Liberals are about "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" .Not since around 1960.


Um, read what he said a bit more carefully. He is speaking about the actual meaning of the words, not their common usage in the US where they have become political labels only.
 
2013-01-06 09:23:42 AM  
So school lunches will start consisting of cold tomato soup and communally grown gruel?
 
2013-01-06 09:23:55 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?


Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.
 
2013-01-06 09:24:25 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Wild guess. He plans to take money from someone he thinks has too much and give it to someone he thinks has too little.


If he finds a way to do that as a single member of a school board, I'd at least give him credit on willpower alone.
 
2013-01-06 09:27:06 AM  

jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.


Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.
 
2013-01-06 09:28:41 AM  
Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

static.prisonplanet.com
 
2013-01-06 09:29:16 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?


When was the last time he was an OBGYN?

We're just pointing out what a career politician looks like.
 
2013-01-06 09:29:42 AM  

Mike_1962: badhatharry: Mrtraveler01: Jim_Callahan: Cajnik:

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.


This is nonsense.

"stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent"  

Both of these apply to modern conservative beliefs. Keeping traditional American values like individual freedom, equal opportunity (not equal results), and individual rights.
 
2013-01-06 09:30:27 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.

Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.


Look - Im not knocking Ron Paul for a life largely dedicated to public service. There isn't a damn thing wrong with being a "career politician". The rap that someone who dedicates their life to public service instead of a day job is a stupid, hollow criticism. And that's my point.
Sorry if you took it as an attack on someone you admire.
 
2013-01-06 09:31:16 AM  

occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]


Exactly. That's not using the brain that Conservatives are supposed to have at 40 at all.

But I guess that quote didn't say that conservatives at 40 were actually using the brains they're supposed to have so I guess you do have a point.
 
2013-01-06 09:32:18 AM  

hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350
]



l o l
 
2013-01-06 09:32:59 AM  

occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]


You can't have much of a riot with five people. I can find you plenty of similar posts with righties threatening to break out the artillery if Obama won. Shall we characterize all Romney supporters by that standard?
 
2013-01-06 09:33:30 AM  

jso2897: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.


wtf
 
2013-01-06 09:35:02 AM  

RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


discussing anything with randomjsa isn't so much muddying the waters as taking a giant steaming dump in thme.
 
2013-01-06 09:36:11 AM  

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


this is what libs ACTUALLY BELIEVE!....no ....seriously...they believe it, he's not trolling.....
 
2013-01-06 09:38:19 AM  

giftedmadness: jso2897: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.

wtf


As far as I can tell, you are the only person here who has any trouble understanding that comment.
 
2013-01-06 09:46:39 AM  

Mrtraveler01: occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.

25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.

The quote doesn't state all conservatives at 40 have brains. The quote only stated that if you are not a conservative at 40, then you don't have a brain.

But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


Sidenote: While often attributed to Churchill, there is no record of him saying such a thing. In fact, during the applicable period of his life, he was, in fact in the Asquith Liberal government's cabinet as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
 
2013-01-06 09:49:02 AM  
Being 19 and not having the ability to see what's wrong with any form of government or economics is pretty typical. A 19-year-old's grasp of reality is tenuous, at best. I'm thinking a School Board is not a good place for him.
 
2013-01-06 09:52:13 AM  

hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]


That's what happens when people refuse to pay their taxes, yet demand social benefits.

When people *do* pay their taxes, they end up with the best place on earth:
upload.wikimedia.org

Civilization isn't free. Nor are hoverounds.
 
2013-01-06 09:54:25 AM  

nicoffeine: Being 19 and not having the ability to see what's wrong with any form of government or economics is pretty typical. A 19-year-old's grasp of reality is tenuous, at best. I'm thinking a School Board is not a good place for him.


He's better suited for the job than some bibletard who thinks the Flintstones was a documentary.

What Genesis might have looked like:

i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-06 09:58:43 AM  

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


It'll be nice to have a view to counter the "no programs for anyone!" crowd. Maybe we'll end up somewhere in the middle.
 
2013-01-06 10:06:19 AM  

nicoffeine: Being 19 and not having the ability to see what's wrong with any form of government or economics is pretty typical. A 19-year-old's grasp of reality is tenuous, at best. I'm thinking a School Board is not a good place for him.


This. Although to give the kid the benefit of the doubt most adult's grasp of reality, economics, politics, etc isn't much better.

/as an example see everyone in Red Bank who voted for a 19-year-old for elected office
 
2013-01-06 10:13:35 AM  

Uncle Tractor: When people *do* pay their taxes, they end up with the best place on earth:


upload.wikimedia.org

I donno, Lithuania is pretty cool, but I wouldn't call it the greatest place on earth
 
2013-01-06 10:22:14 AM  

jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.

Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.

Look - Im not knocking Ron Paul for a life largely dedicated to public service. There isn't a damn thing wrong with being a "career politician". The rap that someone who dedicates their life to public service instead of a day job is a stupid, hollow criticism. And that's my point.
Sorry if you took it as an attack on someone you admire.


No, I'm not a Paul... ist... Paulian... Paulite... Guy Who Voted for Paul. I took it as an attack on reality. Comparing someone who had a full career working and then had a second career in politics to someone who is launching into politics as his one and only career is dumb.
 
2013-01-06 10:36:52 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?


Ignorant liberal is ignorant
 
2013-01-06 10:37:25 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.

Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.

Look - Im not knocking Ron Paul for a life largely dedicated to public service. There isn't a damn thing wrong with being a "career politician". The rap that someone who dedicates their life to public service instead of a day job is a stupid, hollow criticism. And that's my point.
Sorry if you took it as an attack on someone you admire.

No, I'm not a Paul... ist... Paulian... Paulite... Guy Who Voted for Paul. I took it as an attack on reality. Comparing someone who had a full career working and then had a second career in politics to someone who is launching into politics as his one and only career is dumb.


I wasn't "comparing" them. I was only pointing out that a career in politics is not, in and of itself, disgraceful in any way. But something I accept when I post anything on Fark is that someone will take whatever they want from it, and steadfastly reject whatever it was that I was actually trying to communicate - so I'm not going to argue it further.
 
2013-01-06 11:23:04 AM  

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


Hey it's the Politics tab! I can run in, say something stupid beyond measure, and then run away like a patsy before I can hear anyone call me a dumbass!

Lesseee....."Beer sucks!"...."Being poor is awesome!"..."Boobs are not enjoyable to look at or touch!"
 
2013-01-06 11:25:37 AM  
In Socialist New Jersey, even bank is red.
 
2013-01-06 11:28:16 AM  
Nineteen? Dude looks 35. What's the rush, kid? Forget the full beard, gut and old man cap... Enjoy your youth. Soon enough you'll be old for real.
 
2013-01-06 11:30:39 AM  

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


Capatalism doesn't take your money by force of arms...
 
2013-01-06 11:50:02 AM  

M11618: Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home.


That's exactly what deregulation did.

/rolls eyes

M11618: He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.


That's not the bank's fault is it? No, the government forced these banks to do this even though they really didn't want to *snicker*.
 
2013-01-06 11:54:36 AM  
media.nj.com

Jeebus, what an asshat. "Hello. I've dedicated my life to equitable ownership of the means of production. In my spare time I like to watch trains and alphabetize my booger collection."
 
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