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2013-01-06 07:36:29 AM  
Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!
 
2013-01-06 07:38:11 AM  
Now, Noble said he plans to stand up for his socialist beliefs as a member of the Red Bank Regional school board.

"I'm hoping to bring a different perspective, a left-wing perspective to a board full of capitalists," he said. "I have a different view point, both as a younger person and a Socialist, that I think could have a positive impact in and of itself."


Right. Capitalists on school boards. Good jorb, kid.
 
2013-01-06 07:38:58 AM  
A 'slow' learner. Republicans knows everything they'll need by age 2.
 
2013-01-06 07:39:36 AM  
I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.
 
2013-01-06 07:53:09 AM  

narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.


THIS!
 
2013-01-06 07:59:10 AM  
Seems redundant.
 
2013-01-06 08:00:12 AM  
"I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

www.lonelyplanet.com
 
2013-01-06 08:01:14 AM  

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


And as to the headline... I can see he does know more than some...
 
2013-01-06 08:02:50 AM  

Mrtraveler01: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

THIS!


.
New Jersey, the US capital of Southern Baptists. Derp on.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:12 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

THIS!

.
New Jersey, the US capital of Southern Baptists. Derp on.


That or you can look at Texas where a dentist heads the board of education and is trying to rewrite the school ciriculum because he thinks it's too liberally biased.

Derp on indeed.
 
2013-01-06 08:04:50 AM  

hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]


Wait...what does a country notorious for dodging taxes have anything to do with this?
 
2013-01-06 08:05:09 AM  
Wow, the derp in the comment section is aready huge...
 
2013-01-06 08:05:24 AM  

narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.


That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.
 
2013-01-06 08:05:59 AM  
www.zerohedge.com
 
2013-01-06 08:06:28 AM  

jso2897: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.


Agreed.

The best mix is probably somewhere down the middle.
 
2013-01-06 08:07:04 AM  
BONUS POINTS: Being a socialist in a town named "REDBANK".
 
2013-01-06 08:07:19 AM  

Dadoody: [www.zerohedge.com image 850x486]


LOL Zerohedge

"Math Republicans Libertarians do to make themselves feel better"
 
2013-01-06 08:07:37 AM  
One of the most annoying people I've met in person was a "proud Socialist" with a touch of Leninist as well.

I RTFA, wasn't really impressed with it other than he's touting the typical talking points that newcomers usually bring up (no budget cuts, make things better, etc). The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.
 
2013-01-06 08:09:20 AM  
How DARE he have a set of political views different from the majority. BURN HIM!
 
2013-01-06 08:09:24 AM  
I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.
 
2013-01-06 08:16:31 AM  
I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places. FTFA the guy mentions his socialist battle with capitalists and being anti war, both issues I can't imagine being major problems for a school board.

I get the feeling this is a man who finished his vocational school and took the first public office he could get his hands on.
 
2013-01-06 08:19:52 AM  

randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?


You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there
 
2013-01-06 08:22:11 AM  

randomjsa: I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.


Umm...wot?
 
2013-01-06 08:25:30 AM  

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.
 
2013-01-06 08:25:38 AM  

DenisBergkamp: I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places.


A) A seat on a local school board is about the easiest office to win

B) Public schools are a classic example of Socialism at work.
 
2013-01-06 08:27:01 AM  
"I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it. The rest is pretty much history," said Noble, who summed up the socialist philosophy as "a society built for the majority instead of the elite minority."

Wait, he did some research on it but can't come up with any better way to summarize it than the same one-liner propaganda boilerplate used to describe everything from democracy to constitutional monarchy to outright despotism?

I mean, there are things that actually distinguish the system from capitalist democracies, you know. Nationalization and collective management of resources in general, mainly. Plenty of ways to answer that question that don't make you sound like a gibbering moron without the slightest concept of what socialism is.
 
2013-01-06 08:27:56 AM  
Seems like the right place for a socialist. At least he honestly labels his beliefs.
 
2013-01-06 08:28:49 AM  
To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.
 
2013-01-06 08:29:13 AM  

RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.
 
2013-01-06 08:31:46 AM  
www.punkerslut.com
 
2013-01-06 08:33:32 AM  
he must be fun at parties
 
2013-01-06 08:33:46 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: DenisBergkamp: I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places.

A) A seat on a local school board is about the easiest office to win

B) Public schools are a classic example of Socialism at work.


Pretty much my point. He took the first political office he could land, the easy stepping stone of a school board, and is trumpeting a battle that likely won't be faced.

Maybe he is passionate about his beliefs regardless of if they're justified. That being said, I don't think he will find much of an outlet for change to come from his time on the board.
 
2013-01-06 08:36:28 AM  
Oh, socialism.
 
2013-01-06 08:37:04 AM  

Kriggerel: To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.


I like the experiment where the professor said everyone is going to get the same grade no matter who is more talented or works the hardest. The students didn't like that idea.
 
2013-01-06 08:38:58 AM  

RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.


"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time
 
2013-01-06 08:40:45 AM  

Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time


I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.
 
2013-01-06 08:44:02 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.


When things go wrong in any financial system everybody tends to get screwed. That doesn't really change the fact that there are meaningful differences in how the various systems function, and the mutual profit motive (that both parties can legitimately expect to get something out of any given interaction) is definitely one of the underlying distinguishing ones in this case, since there's no such expectation in a socialized industry.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with one or the other philosophically, but it's a very significant practical and theoretical difference. Socialism is entirely fine with only one side benefiting, but in most capitalist systems a contract where both parties don't get something is actually not even considered a contract, or enforceable.

//For clarification, I am actually a rochdale socialist, and I still think the kid in TFA is a bloody idiot, so I don't think I'm on anyone's 'side' on this one. Just pointing shiat out.
 
2013-01-06 08:46:41 AM  
Ah screw it, as long as the kid doesn't dog fark it through his term and actually pushes against social regression like creationism I would put up with his teenage political idealism.
 
2013-01-06 08:46:52 AM  
Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.
 
2013-01-06 08:47:23 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Mrtraveler01: Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.

When things go wrong in any financial system everybody tends to get screwed. That doesn't really change the fact that there are meaningful differences in how the various systems function, and the mutual profit motive (that both parties can legitimately expect to get something out of any given interaction) is definitely one of the underlying distinguishing ones in this case, since there's no such expectation in a socialized industry.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with one or the other philosophically, but it's a very significant practical and theoretical difference. Socialism is entirely fine with only one side benefiting, but in most capitalist systems a contract where both parties don't get something is actually not even considered a contract, or enforceable.

//For clarification, I am actually a rochdale socialist, and I still think the kid in TFA is a bloody idiot, so I don't think I'm on anyone's 'side' on this one. Just pointing shiat out.


No worries,

Like I said before, I think the best solution might be a mix of the two because a pure version of either has proven to be disastrous in the past.

But this kid probably is one of those that is socialist because he's young and wants to be different. Same reason why so many younger people become libertarians and fall for Ron Paul's tripe.
 
2013-01-06 08:47:56 AM  
Wild guess. He plans to take money from someone he thinks has too much and give it to someone he thinks has too little.
 
2013-01-06 08:49:08 AM  
This is fark, so I'm sure someone will come in a call him a hipster soon enough.
 
2013-01-06 08:50:04 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.


He probably won't get too far past his unpaid spot on some local Board of Education.

But like others have said, after seeing radical right-wingers try to hijack local Boards of Education, it's nice to see someone who isn't a Tea Party fundie nutjob get the spot.
 
2013-01-06 08:52:22 AM  

Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time


To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.
 
2013-01-06 08:53:17 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.


Stop making sense!
 
2013-01-06 08:53:26 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: B) Public schools are a classic example of Socialism at work.


I'm always amazed that so few people understand this.
 
2013-01-06 08:54:08 AM  

RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


What? Profit implies loss to the party that initially has buying power. Also, blah-blah, too early for economic talk. Me go sleep now.
 
2013-01-06 08:54:52 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Stop making sense!


I would, but the banana nutbar orangello bonobos.
 
2013-01-06 08:56:24 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.


You sound 20.
 
2013-01-06 09:01:46 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.

Stop making sense!


He is not making any sense.   Liberals are about "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" .Not since around 1960.
 
2013-01-06 09:02:15 AM  

Mrtraveler01: hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]

Wait...what does a country notorious for dodging taxes have anything to do with this?


But in another thread you and your ilk claimed Greece's problems were solely from austerity measures implemented just a year ago.
 
2013-01-06 09:05:52 AM  
Guy, you get two thumbs up from me, another proud socialist.
 
2013-01-06 09:06:00 AM  
TFA: Noble said he would also fight to get military recruitment and other military-related activities banned from school grounds.

"I'm antiwar, absolutely," he said. "And I'm against poaching high school kids and sending them to the front lines of a war they have nothing to do with, they didn't start and will not benefit from."


Yeah, socialist regimes are totally famous for their anti-military stance.
upload.wikimedia.org

Or maybe large portions of your politics have bugger-all to do with socialism and are irrelevant to the point of TFA.
 
2013-01-06 09:06:29 AM  
A socialist in Red Bank?

/RED Bank.
 
2013-01-06 09:06:35 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.


I'm seeing variations back to John Adams and some from the French Revolution, both to fit the politics of the day.

How about this - your politics at 40 will likely be different than your politics at 20. At least to some degree
 
2013-01-06 09:06:39 AM  

Mrtraveler01: RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.

Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.


Yes. Entirely capitalisms fault. Cheap money from the fed had zero effect. Removal of risk by the government backed assurances had no effect. Capitalism was the sole culprit.
 
2013-01-06 09:07:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.


Like this guy, you mean?
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-06 09:08:09 AM  

badhatharry: Kriggerel: To quote (and paraphrase) one of my University professors: For most folks under 25, their understanding of the concept of Socialism is little more than: 'rich people have a lot of nice stuff that I want'.

I like the experiment where the professor said everyone is going to get the same grade no matter who is more talented or works the hardest. The students didn't like that idea.


Or that the students get grades according to their needs.
 
2013-01-06 09:08:23 AM  

Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.


25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.
 
2013-01-06 09:09:28 AM  
He seems well intentioned, and at least seems to be trying to make a difference rather than just biatch in the pub or online. When he's tempered a bit by experience he might make a good politician.

/or more likely become cynical, jaded, corrupt, and just stop giving a shiat.
 
2013-01-06 09:10:06 AM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]

Wait...what does a country notorious for dodging taxes have anything to do with this?

But in another thread you and your ilk claimed Greece's problems were solely from austerity measures implemented just a year ago.


No, we said that Greece's economic problems NOW are a result of the austerity measures. The reason they got into such a fiscal mess in the first place is because they didn't enforce taxes too well to the point where tax dodging was a national pasttime.

Sorry if you can't grasp simple concepts like that.
 
2013-01-06 09:11:02 AM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.

Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.

Yes. Entirely capitalisms fault. Cheap money from the fed had zero effect. Removal of risk by the government backed assurances had no effect. Capitalism was the sole culprit.


I would blame it less on capitalism itself than on neocon morons who think capitalism, in and of itself, constitutes a robust and functional social system.
 
2013-01-06 09:11:27 AM  

jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?
[i18.photobucket.com image 611x404]


His case of being a career politician is different because....shut up.
 
2013-01-06 09:14:22 AM  

randomjsa: I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it.

Because you're a moron and you don't understand it or because you understand it completely and want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

Moron or thief by government proxy. It's one or the other.


I'm pretty sure that in this case, it's both.
 
2013-01-06 09:15:28 AM  

jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?


Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?
 
2013-01-06 09:17:22 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.

25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.


The quote doesn't state all conservatives at 40 have brains. The quote only stated that if you are not a conservative at 40, then you don't have a brain.
 
2013-01-06 09:17:40 AM  

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


Programs or pogroms?
 
2013-01-06 09:18:49 AM  

occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.

25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.

The quote doesn't state all conservatives at 40 have brains. The quote only stated that if you are not a conservative at 40, then you don't have a brain.


But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.
 
2013-01-06 09:19:08 AM  

badhatharry: Mrtraveler01: Jim_Callahan: Cajnik: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

To be fair, that's using the actual meanings of the words 'liberal' and 'conservative', so "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent" respectively.

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.

Stop making sense!

He is not making any sense.   Liberals are about "stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" .Not since around 1960.


Um, read what he said a bit more carefully. He is speaking about the actual meaning of the words, not their common usage in the US where they have become political labels only.
 
2013-01-06 09:23:42 AM  
So school lunches will start consisting of cold tomato soup and communally grown gruel?
 
2013-01-06 09:23:55 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?


Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.
 
2013-01-06 09:24:25 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Wild guess. He plans to take money from someone he thinks has too much and give it to someone he thinks has too little.


If he finds a way to do that as a single member of a school board, I'd at least give him credit on willpower alone.
 
2013-01-06 09:27:06 AM  

jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.


Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.
 
2013-01-06 09:28:41 AM  
Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

static.prisonplanet.com
 
2013-01-06 09:29:16 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?


When was the last time he was an OBGYN?

We're just pointing out what a career politician looks like.
 
2013-01-06 09:29:42 AM  

Mike_1962: badhatharry: Mrtraveler01: Jim_Callahan: Cajnik:

The quote makes no sense in recent context, since the politicians that label themselves "conservative" are using the word incorrectly, as they're an authoritarian reactionary theocratic party and have about half a brain between the lot of them, and the politicians using "liberal" are primarily centrist compromisers from a consensus party with a spectrum covering the whole range from conservative to somewhat radical.


This is nonsense.

"stressing individual freedom, opportunity, and rights above all else" and "being somewhat resistant to change, and reluctant to take action unless the benefits are overwhelming and clearly apparent"  

Both of these apply to modern conservative beliefs. Keeping traditional American values like individual freedom, equal opportunity (not equal results), and individual rights.
 
2013-01-06 09:30:27 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.

Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.


Look - Im not knocking Ron Paul for a life largely dedicated to public service. There isn't a damn thing wrong with being a "career politician". The rap that someone who dedicates their life to public service instead of a day job is a stupid, hollow criticism. And that's my point.
Sorry if you took it as an attack on someone you admire.
 
2013-01-06 09:31:16 AM  

occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]


Exactly. That's not using the brain that Conservatives are supposed to have at 40 at all.

But I guess that quote didn't say that conservatives at 40 were actually using the brains they're supposed to have so I guess you do have a point.
 
2013-01-06 09:32:18 AM  

hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350
]



l o l
 
2013-01-06 09:32:59 AM  

occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]


You can't have much of a riot with five people. I can find you plenty of similar posts with righties threatening to break out the artillery if Obama won. Shall we characterize all Romney supporters by that standard?
 
2013-01-06 09:33:30 AM  

jso2897: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.


wtf
 
2013-01-06 09:35:02 AM  

RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


discussing anything with randomjsa isn't so much muddying the waters as taking a giant steaming dump in thme.
 
2013-01-06 09:36:11 AM  

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


this is what libs ACTUALLY BELIEVE!....no ....seriously...they believe it, he's not trolling.....
 
2013-01-06 09:38:19 AM  

giftedmadness: jso2897: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

That's not the point. A little difference of opinion is a good thing - NOBODY'S point of view is entirely right, in my experience - and people need to listen to those with whom they disagree, now and then.
Socialism and capitalism are both useful social tools - but they both make really shiatty systems of government.

wtf


As far as I can tell, you are the only person here who has any trouble understanding that comment.
 
2013-01-06 09:46:39 AM  

Mrtraveler01: occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: Son of Thunder: Mrtraveler01: Cajnik: RabidJade: The Socialist thing is as big of a deal as it would have been several years ago with the changing climate in the USA, it's the new in thing for the younger generations.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." or some variant of a quote has been around for a long time

I dunno, some of the conservatives at 40 that I've seen out there don't seem to exercise that brain too much.

You sound 20.

25

But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.

The quote doesn't state all conservatives at 40 have brains. The quote only stated that if you are not a conservative at 40, then you don't have a brain.

But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


Sidenote: While often attributed to Churchill, there is no record of him saying such a thing. In fact, during the applicable period of his life, he was, in fact in the Asquith Liberal government's cabinet as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
 
2013-01-06 09:49:02 AM  
Being 19 and not having the ability to see what's wrong with any form of government or economics is pretty typical. A 19-year-old's grasp of reality is tenuous, at best. I'm thinking a School Board is not a good place for him.
 
2013-01-06 09:52:13 AM  

hbk72777: "I decided to do some research into what the problem was with it and I never found it."

[www.lonelyplanet.com image 466x350]


That's what happens when people refuse to pay their taxes, yet demand social benefits.

When people *do* pay their taxes, they end up with the best place on earth:
upload.wikimedia.org

Civilization isn't free. Nor are hoverounds.
 
2013-01-06 09:54:25 AM  

nicoffeine: Being 19 and not having the ability to see what's wrong with any form of government or economics is pretty typical. A 19-year-old's grasp of reality is tenuous, at best. I'm thinking a School Board is not a good place for him.


He's better suited for the job than some bibletard who thinks the Flintstones was a documentary.

What Genesis might have looked like:

i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-06 09:58:43 AM  

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


It'll be nice to have a view to counter the "no programs for anyone!" crowd. Maybe we'll end up somewhere in the middle.
 
2013-01-06 10:06:19 AM  

nicoffeine: Being 19 and not having the ability to see what's wrong with any form of government or economics is pretty typical. A 19-year-old's grasp of reality is tenuous, at best. I'm thinking a School Board is not a good place for him.


This. Although to give the kid the benefit of the doubt most adult's grasp of reality, economics, politics, etc isn't much better.

/as an example see everyone in Red Bank who voted for a 19-year-old for elected office
 
2013-01-06 10:13:35 AM  

Uncle Tractor: When people *do* pay their taxes, they end up with the best place on earth:


upload.wikimedia.org

I donno, Lithuania is pretty cool, but I wouldn't call it the greatest place on earth
 
2013-01-06 10:22:14 AM  

jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.

Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.

Look - Im not knocking Ron Paul for a life largely dedicated to public service. There isn't a damn thing wrong with being a "career politician". The rap that someone who dedicates their life to public service instead of a day job is a stupid, hollow criticism. And that's my point.
Sorry if you took it as an attack on someone you admire.


No, I'm not a Paul... ist... Paulian... Paulite... Guy Who Voted for Paul. I took it as an attack on reality. Comparing someone who had a full career working and then had a second career in politics to someone who is launching into politics as his one and only career is dumb.
 
2013-01-06 10:36:52 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?


Ignorant liberal is ignorant
 
2013-01-06 10:37:25 AM  

Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: Son of Thunder: jso2897: HotIgneous Intruder: Another politician who will never work a day in his life except to slop at the public trough is born.

Like this guy, you mean?

Spending more then twenty years working as an OBGYN is "never working a day in his life"?

Nott since probably before you were born - and I'm sure this kid has had a summer job at a pizza parlor or something, as far as that goes. But of course, when it's one of your boys, it's always different.

Ah, okay. A career is not a career because he's old. Brilliant.

Look - Im not knocking Ron Paul for a life largely dedicated to public service. There isn't a damn thing wrong with being a "career politician". The rap that someone who dedicates their life to public service instead of a day job is a stupid, hollow criticism. And that's my point.
Sorry if you took it as an attack on someone you admire.

No, I'm not a Paul... ist... Paulian... Paulite... Guy Who Voted for Paul. I took it as an attack on reality. Comparing someone who had a full career working and then had a second career in politics to someone who is launching into politics as his one and only career is dumb.


I wasn't "comparing" them. I was only pointing out that a career in politics is not, in and of itself, disgraceful in any way. But something I accept when I post anything on Fark is that someone will take whatever they want from it, and steadfastly reject whatever it was that I was actually trying to communicate - so I'm not going to argue it further.
 
2013-01-06 11:13:46 AM  
You know what is sad? I taught for awhile at an inner city school and many many kids there desperately wanted to join the military as they saw it as a way out. I had been in the Marines so they'd ask me for advice. I'd say study, they wouldn't, and most of them couldn't even pass the asvab.
 
2013-01-06 11:23:04 AM  

taurusowner: Well now that he's entering the world of government and will never have to do a real day's worth of work in his life, he can help teach all the children in his district how to never work either.

\More programs for everyone!!
\\What do you mean we're out of money? Print more!


Hey it's the Politics tab! I can run in, say something stupid beyond measure, and then run away like a patsy before I can hear anyone call me a dumbass!

Lesseee....."Beer sucks!"...."Being poor is awesome!"..."Boobs are not enjoyable to look at or touch!"
 
2013-01-06 11:25:37 AM  
In Socialist New Jersey, even bank is red.
 
2013-01-06 11:28:16 AM  
Nineteen? Dude looks 35. What's the rush, kid? Forget the full beard, gut and old man cap... Enjoy your youth. Soon enough you'll be old for real.
 
2013-01-06 11:30:39 AM  

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


Capatalism doesn't take your money by force of arms...
 
2013-01-06 11:39:37 AM  

jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there


Yes because capitalism thrives on high taxes and wealth redistribution. What are you talking about? Capitalism only works if people want to buy the product. I was in Spain in a McDonalds and a kid wearing an Abercrombie and Fitch t shirt started lecturing me about American cultural imperialism and the evils of capitalism. I was like look at where you are and what you're wearing. If y didn't buy that or come here, this wouldn't happen. You're a lot like that kid. Yes I know, McDonalds in Spain, but burgers are still the best hangover food for me at least.
 
2013-01-06 11:43:48 AM  

MyRandomName: Mrtraveler01: RabidJade: jaytkay: randomjsa: want to take things from other people to benefit yourself?

You summed up capitalism and the profit motive quite nicely there

Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.

Not necessarily, people can get screwed if Capitalism isn't properly regulated (ie: the Financial Crash of 2007-2008).

No one came out a winner after that.

Yes. Entirely capitalisms fault. Cheap money from the fed had zero effect. Removal of risk by the government backed assurances had no effect. Capitalism was the sole culprit.


Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home. I know a man who made a fortune in the crash and I asked him how. He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.
 
2013-01-06 11:50:02 AM  

M11618: Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home.


That's exactly what deregulation did.

/rolls eyes

M11618: He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.


That's not the bank's fault is it? No, the government forced these banks to do this even though they really didn't want to *snicker*.
 
2013-01-06 11:54:36 AM  
media.nj.com

Jeebus, what an asshat. "Hello. I've dedicated my life to equitable ownership of the means of production. In my spare time I like to watch trains and alphabetize my booger collection."
 
2013-01-06 12:08:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: M11618: Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home.

That's exactly what deregulation did.

/rolls eyes

M11618: He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.

That's not the bank's fault is it? No, the government forced these banks to do this even though they really didn't want to *snicker*.


Not that they didn't want to, but because the government took away the risk. Any business decision is based on risk vs reward, weighing pros and cons. The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment. this took away the risk and when weighing pros vs cons the complete lack of downsides made making these loans a sound business decision.
Government sticking there first gets where they don't belong caused the housing bubble. The crash and recession were the natural results of government interference.
 
2013-01-06 12:12:09 PM  

Ravage: Mrtraveler01: M11618: Exactly, the gov decided everyone should own a home.

That's exactly what deregulation did.

/rolls eyes

M11618: He said when his secretary who made a bit more then minimum wage told him she bought a home with no money down, there was a huge problem.

That's not the bank's fault is it? No, the government forced these banks to do this even though they really didn't want to *snicker*.

Not that they didn't want to, but because the government took away the risk. Any business decision is based on risk vs reward, weighing pros and cons. The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment. this took away the risk and when weighing pros vs cons the complete lack of downsides made making these loans a sound business decision.
Government sticking there first gets where they don't belong caused the housing bubble. The crash and recession were the natural results of government interference.


first gets = fingers.
/damnyouautocorrect
 
2013-01-06 12:12:48 PM  
So how is he any different from any other other teenager?
 
2013-01-06 12:19:31 PM  
DenisBergkamp
I'm not sure I'd take my fight against capitalism to a school board of all places. FTFA the guy mentions his socialist battle with capitalists and being anti war, both issues I can't imagine being major problems for a school board.

As he said, he wants to oust military recruiters. And public education (particularly in New Jersey) is under attack by the charter scam.


badhatharry
I like the experiment where the professor said everyone is going to get the same grade no matter who is more talented or works the hardest. The students didn't like that idea.

Grades aren't scarce.

modern conservative beliefs. Keeping traditional American values like individual freedom,

like freedom to get gay married or smoke pot

equal opportunity (not equal results)

which is why Republicans are in favor of providing children with universal healthcare, uniformly high-quality free education, and a guaranteed poverty-free standard of living. Oh wait.

and individual rights.

like freedom to get gay married or smoke pot


Son of Thunder
Paul... ist... Paulian... Paulite...

Ronpauloompa
 
2013-01-06 12:22:34 PM  
The Face Of Oblivion
media.nj.com

lol wow he looks like every socialist ever
whatever kind of hat that is, tinted glasses, goatee- yeah.
Then again half of the people on my team look like this
 
2013-01-06 12:27:32 PM  
mom or dad must be hooked in somewhere. the typical NJ response to young folks showing true interest in a seat of responsibility is to set them up for an arrest record.
 
2013-01-06 12:41:21 PM  
This fat body kids needs to redistribute his junk food to the proletariat
 
2013-01-06 12:50:07 PM  

jso2897: occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]

You can't have much of a riot with five people. I can find you plenty of similar posts with righties threatening to break out the artillery if Obama won. Shall we characterize all Romney supporters by that standard?


He wasn't waving the banner of Romney or anything he was making the point someone thinking riots could happen based on people's actual words isn't someone who is delusional it is someone who expects people to be responsible for the stupid shiat that comes out of their brain to their mouth or their fingers. If I said I was going to kill someone and they drop dead soon after the police would be at my doorstep thinking I might have something to do with it because damn straight people should be responsible for the shiat they say.
 
2013-01-06 12:50:41 PM  

Ravage: The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment


The government is paying people's mortgages? You sound real well-informed.

I guess that's why there have been no foreclosures in recent years.

Foreclosures by year
2012 (Jan-Sept) 1,616,427
2011 3,920,418
2010 3,843,548
2009 3,457,643
2008 3,019,482
2007 2,203,295
2006 1,215,304
2005 801,563
2004 640,000
2003 660,000
2002 700,000
2001 540,000
2000 470,000
 
2013-01-06 01:01:19 PM  

Phil Payne: jso2897: occamswrist: Mrtraveler01: But I'm saying that being a Conservative at 40 doesn't necessarily mean you have a brain if you believe batshiat stupid conspiracy theories like that.


I had to look up this idea that people would riot if Obama doesn't get elected and it looks like its from twitter posts like these. I guess if people are saying they will riot then it isn't a batshiat stupid consipracy theory. Believing there might be riots wouldn't be a stupid belief, it would only be taking people at their word, rather than interpreting their posts as trying to be funny/letting off steam.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 500x950]

You can't have much of a riot with five people. I can find you plenty of similar posts with righties threatening to break out the artillery if Obama won. Shall we characterize all Romney supporters by that standard?

He wasn't waving the banner of Romney or anything he was making the point someone thinking riots could happen based on people's actual words isn't someone who is delusional it is someone who expects people to be responsible for the stupid shiat that comes out of their brain to their mouth or their fingers. If I said I was going to kill someone and they drop dead soon after the police would be at my doorstep thinking I might have something to do with it because damn straight people should be responsible for the shiat they say.


I don't recall saying anyone was "delusional". My point was that there is not much percentage in believing all the crazy stuff one reads on the internet. Obama was re-elected, and so far the thousands of loudmouths who made threatening noises on the internet have not made any attempt to "water the tree of liberty", as they like to say - and I was never seriously concerned that they would.
I was also never seriously concerned that the sort of hotheads in the posts in question were going to do anything if Romney won. Should I have been?
Well, I don't think so. Why would I apply a double standard?
 
2013-01-06 01:05:19 PM  

jaytkay: Ravage: The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment

The government is paying people's mortgages? You sound real well-informed.

I guess that's why there have been no foreclosures in recent years.

Foreclosures by year
2012 (Jan-Sept) 1,616,427
2011 3,920,418
2010 3,843,548
2009 3,457,643
2008 3,019,482
2007 2,203,295
2006 1,215,304
2005 801,563
2004 640,000
2003 660,000
2002 700,000
2001 540,000
2000 470,000


Well, don't expect too much - he still thinks the crash was all about bad mortgages given to poors and minorities, and that the financial institutions who were allowed to package these loans in blind instruments and peddle them as having AAA ratings had nothing to do with it. The worst part of the debacle was due to governments FAILURE to interfere in a "business practice" that is essentially outright fraud.
 
2013-01-06 01:24:31 PM  
Why did I just thought I saw the face of the next 'Bernie'?
 
2013-01-06 01:31:49 PM  

jaytkay: Ravage: The banks would not have lent money for houses to people that could not pay but the government promised to guarantee payment

The government is paying people's mortgages? You sound real well-informed.

I guess that's why there have been no foreclosures in recent years.

Foreclosures by year
2012 (Jan-Sept) 1,616,427
2011 3,920,418
2010 3,843,548
2009 3,457,643
2008 3,019,482
2007 2,203,295
2006 1,215,304
2005 801,563
2004 640,000
2003 660,000
2002 700,000
2001 540,000
2000 470,000


The government guaranteed payment and then the government paid. Or did you miss the giant bailout to the banks that were "to big to be allowed to fail"?
 
2013-01-06 02:17:34 PM  

Ravage: The government guaranteed payment and then the government paid. Or did you miss the giant bailout to the banks that were "to big to be allowed to fail"?


So you're saying the government announced the bailout years in advance.

Why do conservatives wear ignorance as badge of honor?
 
2013-01-06 03:24:37 PM  

jaytkay: Ravage: The government guaranteed payment and then the government paid. Or did you miss the giant bailout to the banks that were "to big to be allowed to fail"?

So you're saying the government announced the bailout years in advance.

Why do conservatives wear ignorance as badge of honor?


It isn't ignorance. It's a sound, comprehensive understanding of the features of a problem they are ideologically inclined to look at, coupled with a refusal to acknowledge the aspects of that problem hat don't fit with that ideology. And to be fair, they are not the only ones who can make this error - all ideologues, of all persuasions do. The cure is to stop looking at the world through to filter of ideology.
Yeah - I know - easy said, hard done. Let us ALL resolve to do our best, eh?
 
2013-01-06 03:25:57 PM  
As a European I have no problem with someone describing their political view as socialist.

Oddly I find many of the institutions in the US more socialist than those over here. (e.g. Many cities in the US appear to own their own electricity, water etc. utility companies)

/Same bank bailout though
 
2013-01-06 03:35:58 PM  

jamspoon: As a European I have no problem with someone describing their political view as socialist.

Oddly I find many of the institutions in the US more socialist than those over here. (e.g. Many cities in the US appear to own their own electricity, water etc. utility companies)

/Same bank bailout though


I believe that in Chicago, the water is free. At least for most homes.
 
2013-01-06 03:50:40 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: jamspoon: As a European I have no problem with someone describing their political view as socialist.

Oddly I find many of the institutions in the US more socialist than those over here. (e.g. Many cities in the US appear to own their own electricity, water etc. utility companies)

/Same bank bailout though

I believe that in Chicago, the water is free. At least for most homes.


Nope. I paid my Chicago water bill a couple of days ago.
 
2013-01-06 03:55:17 PM  

jaytkay: I paid my Chicago water bill a couple of days ago.


Forgot to add - water and sewer are city utilities in Chicago. Electricity and gas are commercial utilities.

When I lived in Los Angeles, we had city-supplied electric.
 
2013-01-06 05:34:37 PM  

M11618: You know what is sad? I taught for awhile at an inner city school and many many kids there desperately wanted to join the military as they saw it as a way out. I had been in the Marines so they'd ask me for advice. I'd say study, they wouldn't, and most of them couldn't even pass the asvab.


The ASVAB is, at root, an IQ test. IQ 80% heritable.

Now, studying for the AVSAB can certainly help. But some people will never be able to score at the 30th percentile, no matter how much they study.
 
2013-01-06 06:05:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01:
But when I have relatives worried that their were going to be riots if Obama wasn't reelected so I still stand by my point.



Their, there, they're.
 
2013-01-07 10:32:01 AM  

RabidJade: Capitalism by design benefits both parties, even if one is benefited more than the other but they both leave the table with something. But let's not muddy the waters with logic and just put a negative slant on it to push our agenda.


Please put down the Kool-Aid and slowly step away.

Also, anyone who uses "socialist" and "liberal" in connection with each other really doesn't know anything about either. Marxism is not liberal - at all. I know this may make some tiny brains explode, but Marxism is left-wing conservative. Big military budgets, aggressive foreign policies, and an education system based on indoctrination - just like what Republicans want.

Marxists aren't anti-gun - because it's every citizen's duty to defend the homeland. Which makes them more pro-2nd amendment, in it's literal definition of militias, than most NRA lobbyists. Remember, the Soviet Union had no qualms about women in the military - and their women kicked a lot of Nazi butt, I might add. Marxists aren't feminist because in an a truly equal society the very idea loses it's meaning. See previous statement. Marxists most certainly aren't pacifists and they always have a long-term plan going on.

See, here is the problem with America's derp brigade. You say socialist and they think:

ts1.mm.bing.net


And in reality it's more like:

media.moddb.com


So yes, conservative-left. As opposed to Libertarians, who represent the liberal-right. Let that sink in for a while.
 
2013-01-07 10:41:41 AM  
NephilimNexus
Also, anyone who uses "socialist" and "liberal" in connection with each other really doesn't know anything about either. Marxism is not liberal - at all. I know this may make some tiny brains explode, but Marxism is left-wing conservative. Big military budgets, aggressive foreign policies, and an education system based on indoctrination - just like what Republicans want.

Lots and lots of this. Especially Stalinists.
 
2013-01-09 04:08:42 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: narkor: I dunno - sounds a lot better than the American Taliban religious nutjobs that are usually voted in to get the Darwin and AGW out of schools and get Noah and the Art back in.

THIS!

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New Jersey, the US capital of Southern Baptists. Derp on.


I have a Baptist aunt and uncle that live in Jersey that my fundy parents & other aunts have ostracized for being too Baptist. Then again, they live in the south Jersey Pine Barrens and not Monmouth County, where this article depicts, so I suppose your point still stands.
 
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