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(The Sun)   Cute 22-year-old brunette: Cannabis turned me into a thieving heroin addict with OCD, panic attacks (w/pics)   (thesun.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-05 11:17:27 PM  
37 votes:
ftfa:
"My problems started with alcohol. I moved on to cannabis, then cocaine, and eventually heroin. It's a typical progression for an addict."

So, what happened here? Legal pot laws hopped into the magical time machine, went back to when she was 14 and put a joint in her already drunken mouth?

Take some farking responsibility for your life. If you are an addict, that's on you.  You farked up. Your parents farked up. Instead of living your life you sought out escapes from it.

Pot didn't ruin your life. Neither did heroin or cocaine or alcohol. YOU RUINED YOUR LIFE.
This is the first lesson people like this have to learn if they ever want to actually go straight.

/drama student?
//I'd say she sounds like the drama farking master to me.
2013-01-05 11:29:06 PM  
15 votes:

MurphyMurphy: ftfa:
"My problems started with alcohol. I moved on to cannabis, then cocaine, and eventually heroin. It's a typical progression for an addict."

So, what happened here? Legal pot laws hopped into the magical time machine, went back to when she was 14 and put a joint in her already drunken mouth?

Take some farking responsibility for your life. If you are an addict, that's on you. You farked up. Your parents farked up. Instead of living your life you sought out escapes from it.

Pot didn't ruin your life. Neither did heroin or cocaine or alcohol. YOU RUINED YOUR LIFE.
This is the first lesson people like this have to learn if they ever want to actually go straight.

/drama student?
//I'd say she sounds like the drama farking master to me.


I agree with what you said, but I would like to draw attention to the disconnect that allows people to attribute cannabis with being a gateway while ignoring alcohol, nicotine, caffeine and prescription meds as gateways.
2013-01-06 12:03:14 AM  
10 votes:
It's more of an argument FOR legalization, so potheads can stop having to hang out with junkies to buy weed.
2013-01-06 12:06:44 AM  
8 votes:
Hogwash, with 10% truth stirred in.

If you are a compulsive self--destructive personality, you will find a way to achieve your goal, whether that means is pot, drugs, booze, potato chips or anything else. Take away all that and you can waste your life sitting in your momma's garage playing video games until you are 40.

I stayed stoned to the gills throughout the 60s, and nobody held a gun to my head. I drank an ocean of alcohol throughout the 70s and never got hooked on it. But I stayed hooked on nicotine from 1963 to about 1995, and that was the hardest habit of all to break.

No chemical is stronger than I am, and no man on earth can tell me what to do. I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul.

Suck it, trolls.
2013-01-06 12:02:09 AM  
7 votes:
Interesting they glossed over that she was smoking weed at 14, was an A student at 18 (4 years later, smoking weed), and then in college had problems.

Oh, her dad died when she was 14? Hmm....

Let's not blame marijuana for someone's lack of coping skills.
2013-01-05 11:37:53 PM  
4 votes:
Two things:

1. The Sun link + "cute blonde/brunette/redhead" headline = DO NOT CLICK

2. I call BS on this tale. This is the exact opposite of what cannabis does.
2013-01-05 11:26:38 PM  
4 votes:
No it didn't.
2013-01-06 07:34:50 AM  
3 votes:

kazikian: I think I misspoke or you misunderstood me or both. Pot isn't the problem. The problem is when a drug becomes your whole life. With heroin that happens for everyone, with pot for very few, but rest assured it happens. Because it is the addictive process in question not the means by which it continues.


I don't think you understand the difference between mental and physical addiction, and trying to draw parallels between the two is disingenuous.

The "addictive process" of habit forming substances vs substances that you become physically dependent on are VASTLY different.

When you stop smoking weed, you wish you had more weed.

When you stop taking heroin, you end up curled up in your bed soaked in sweat, in physical pain, while your body spasms uncontrollably.

When you are "addicted to weed" you make bongs out of everything.

When you are addicted to heroin you will do ANYTHING to get more.

When you get clean from smoking weed, you look back on those days and say "those were some good times, but I've grown up and moved on."

When you get clean from heroin you look back on those days and say "Goddamn I wish I had some heroin right now."

I know you're trying to make some grandiose point about how "anyone can ruin their lives with any drug" but you just cannot compare weed to heroin. It's not the same in any sense. Heroin is massively addictive and will catch and destroy even people who do not have addictive personalities. Weed will not trap people who don't have addictive personalities, and even if you have an addictive personality, weed is much easier to shake.

You will never truly kick a heroin addiction. You will always want more. Forever. It's burned into your brain, you see.

A stoner will get over it in a couple of days/weeks.
2013-01-06 12:57:41 AM  
3 votes:
For people with addictive personalities or who need to fill a void, legalising cannabis could be so dangerous.

Prohibition deters zero percent of those people.
2013-01-06 12:56:30 AM  
3 votes:
So somebody with an addictive personality disorder encountered serious emotional trauma in their teens, turning to various outlets to fill some emotional void to which she became dependent on.

Something tells me that even if cocaine, heroin, marijuana and alcohol were not available, she would have turned to something else just as self-destructive.  Sex, gambling, theft, whatever.  That's the Achilles Heel of people with addictive personalities.  So obviously we need to ban it all.

Breaking news: some people can't handle their shiat and abuse stuff the rest of us can handle.  Sports and weather at 11.
2013-01-06 12:02:31 AM  
3 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Point 1:  She was a lot cuter back when she was a stoner.  Now she looks like a dude.

Point 2:
the recovering addict, now 22, says: "For people with addictive personalities or who need to fill a void, legalising cannabis could be so dangerous.

"My problems started with alcohol...

Bwahahahahha


Exactly!

If she was sincere she would be campaigning for the banning of alcohol as well, since it was obviously her real "gateway drug."
2013-01-06 09:52:18 AM  
2 votes:
I want to offer a counter story. I first tried pot when I was 35. Loved it. Since then, I've smoked it socially with friends on the average maybe 3 times a year. The experience is incredible, far and away better than being drunk with the added benefit of waking up the next day like nothing happened. Meanwhile, I've missed two days of work in 15 years, once when a snowstorm prevented my car from going more than 100 feet down the street, and another when I was stuck in an airport due to the last flight of the day to my home airport being cancelled.

For every one of the people highlighted in the article, there are many times over the number of people like me. And she would have the farked-up life entirely without cannabis.
2013-01-06 04:53:57 AM  
2 votes:
If pot were legal she probably wouldn't have known where to find coke or heroin.
2013-01-06 02:07:30 AM  
2 votes:

Apos: Two things:

1. The Sun link + "cute blonde/brunette/redhead" headline = DO NOT CLICK

2. I call BS on this tale. This is the exact opposite of what cannabis does.


Nearly all of these people just take whatever's handed to them at a party. Beer, vodka, weed, yayo, smack, it's all good, pass it over, brutha. She probably got most of her hookups with her body. Whatever, I'm not really down on that life; it's fascinating, it was probably awesome when it didn't suck horribly, and she'll have the best stories when she stops being a sanctimonious biatch about her old life.

Also, the only reason anyone anywhere takes heroin is because they want to be dead but they're too pussy to die. No one takes heroin to have a good time, and no one takes it as a logical progression from any gateway. It's the end-stage drug of a slow suicide. Alcohol can be that, but heroin always is.
2013-01-06 01:44:30 AM  
2 votes:

voodoomedic: Have a thumb-sized bag if green left. Smoke it, or cook with it? Too small to share if smoked, but not sure if cooking will stretch it
Recs??


Gravity bong hits.
2013-01-06 01:23:30 AM  
2 votes:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that heroin turned her into a thieving heroin addict.
2013-01-06 01:14:57 AM  
2 votes:

Ima4nic8or: Not saying the two are necessarily connected. Could just be a coincidence. It is an interesting one though.


It's not coincidence. We can dicker over the rhetoric and whether we want to call pot a drug or not.. but facts are facts and it has a chemical effect on the brain. All our brains are measurably different with each of us owning our own unique balance that makes us who we are.

I've used my share and I've had situations where I've felt great anxiety. I saw plenty in friends when we were younger first trying it. If you've never seen anyone wig out on weed you probably haven't used it much. Paranoia is a real side-effect and while a thousand other elements in your life lead up to that feeling of anxiety, for you pot may have been enough to push you into 'freaking out'.

I'll admit I've wondered if my own use might eventually play into my mental stability one day... it wasn't until I got into my 30's and after some hard life events (lost my teens/20s feeling of invincibility) did I find pot could make me anxious beyond the point of comfort. I've since learned that some strains do that while others do not.

Some pot is for me, some isn't. Just as pot (period) is great for some, but I wouldn't recommend it to others. (if something makes you feel bad, stop doing it!)

None of this is reason enough that it should be illegal.

-I have a very good friend who absolutely can't handle caffeine. His nerves can't handle it... given he's a basket case to begin with but it's manageable. Caffeine throws him over the edge of manageable. Caffine shouldn't be illegal.

-I dated a chick that had a completely real and debilitating panic attack when I broke up with her. Love and dating shouldn't be illegal.
2013-01-06 01:08:05 AM  
2 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I have wondered for several years about a possible connection between pot use and anxiety disorders. For a couple of years I had a panic disorder and also frequently had high levels of anxiety not quite reaching the panic level. This was quite a few years after I had last smoked weed (a youthful indiscretion I engaged in maybe a few dozen times). Anyway, one day while trying to figure out when I first experienced an intense feeling of anxiety I remembered that it was actually during my first experience with weed. I was around 17 and was smoking some in a park with a few older friends and was hit with really intense anxiety and paranoia. The other guys were tooling around the parking lot on bicycles and skateboards and generally farking around but I was sitting there absolutely convinced that if I even tried to stand up and walk I would fall down and split my skull. That was not the only odd thought in my head that day but it is the one that stands out. I am not sure why I ever smoked it again after that but I did and never had the same negative response again.

Not saying the two are necessarily connected. Could just be a coincidence. It is an interesting one though.


Paranoia is one of the "negative" side effects of smoking weed. Think about it like this...

It was your first time, you had never dealt with the side effect before, and you were out in the open around others when you did it, all these things can increase your paranoia.

I have had the same level of paranoia when I have smoked far to much in a night. I tend to know my limits. Just like alcohol, if I drink to much I get sick. If I smoke to much I get dizzy, paranoid and want to sleep.Vicodine did the same thing to me when I first took it after a surgery, the vertigo made me think standing up would be deadly.

Know what you are putting in your body and what it is likely to do and it wouldn't seem that odd. Also, try smoking in a place where you are not in the open helps. Most people that do illegal things in the open tend to be paranoid about it.

/Most psyche disorders in teens show up around 16-24.
//Not saying you are crazy, just passing it on.
2013-01-06 12:59:43 AM  
2 votes:

PsiChick: give me doughnuts: Probably a high-maintenance AW from an early age. Got a Makiby Barbie instead of the Ballerina Barbie, had a hissy fit, and said ,"I'll show them!" Next week: smoking and drinking.

All else follows.

...Her farking  dad died and she had pre-existing issues with the guy, you moran. I mean, yes, she's blaming the wrong things here, but it's not like she woke up one day and decided it'd be fun to fark over her life. She got spectacularly unlucky both in personality type and family circumstance. Should she have started doing anything illegal? No. Are her problems because she's an AW who wrecked her life to fark people over? F**k no, and calling people with shiat luck AWs makes the problem worse.


werd. my problem is with that shiatty excuse for a paper, making a 'story' out of it.
2013-01-06 12:18:04 AM  
2 votes:
most substance abusers start with nicotine or alcohol. The problem isn't really the substance, but the person who has the addiction. They could have been abusing "legal" prescription meds too and it's no different than going with the illegal substances.
2013-01-06 12:17:31 AM  
2 votes:
I plan on becoming the world's biggest Taurine Tycoon. I found a source in China for pennies a kilo...after I base that shiat up, I push the powder in subways across America for $20/gr.

/why no hate for the red bull habit
2013-01-06 12:13:31 AM  
2 votes:

Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a farking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of farking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fark you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing farking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, farked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future.

Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got grass?

2013-01-06 12:13:20 AM  
2 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's more of an argument FOR legalization, so potheads can stop having to hang out with junkies to buy weed.


This.  There would be no "falling in with the wrong crowd" if the wrong crowd weren't 100% in control of distribution of marijuana.

Gotta love the whole "weed ruined my life" -- because weed definitely forced her to agree to spend £200/gram on cocaine and heroin.
2013-01-06 12:09:30 AM  
2 votes:
Mother's milk, leads to everything, man
2013-01-06 12:02:19 AM  
2 votes:
NEWS FLASH you were always a theiving heroin addict with OCD who was prone to panic attacks. You also happen to be a pot smoker. Pot did not cause you to do all those horrible things. You did it to yourself.

/a smoker who is neither an OCD heroin addict or an anxious thief
2013-01-06 12:02:04 AM  
2 votes:
This evening, I started with alcohol and moved on to cannabis and cocaine.

I have managed to do so without destroying my life.
2013-01-05 11:58:05 PM  
2 votes:
I'd like to blame the internet for my short attention span but it was probably pre-existing and these are really good crackers and I wonder what the boiling point of neodymium is.
2013-01-05 11:35:28 PM  
2 votes:
Point 1:  She was a lot cuter back when she was a stoner.  Now she looks like a dude.

Point 2:
the recovering addict, now 22, says: "For people with addictive personalities or who need to fill a void, legalising cannabis could be so dangerous.

"My problems started with alcohol...


Bwahahahahha
2013-01-06 09:48:02 PM  
1 vote:

uttertosh: DreamyAltarBoy: Careful with that, I've found that "controlled benders" seem to be about as real as "gateway drugs". YMMV

I've been in this rhythm of control for 10 years now. Works fine for me. I just stay home and bend out on smoke and drink, mainly, but If I can get it them; mesc, Hawaiian shrooms, DMT, K and MDMA have all been known to end up in the mix. I don't have company over, I just enjoy, take a week to normalize, then back to work for 5 months. I don't even drink a beer after work these days, as I really rather fill my time with other things.


I want to party with this guy.

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2013-01-06 08:26:19 PM  
1 vote:

links136: Are you really comparing the destructiveness of alcohol to the destructiveness of weed? That's not even taking into account how much crap can be put into strains of weed by the black market. Or the destructiveness that prohibition is causing not only to americans by turning regular people into criminals for the sake of control, but the terrorizing that is going on in Mexico.

There's alot of issues in the country right now, weed is the farthest from it, and subsidizing drug cartels and making regular folks the same criminals as rapists and murderers is not the way to go. You got meth, crack, coke, heroin, LEGAL prescription abuse and such everywhere, and weed is a problem? 10000 people are murdered with guns every year and you think weed attributes to that? You ever see someone aggressive on weed?

I mean what does weed cause? Laziness? Obesity? Yeah only weed smokers suffer from that. Memory loss? They have methods for helping that and Alzheimer's. Considering alot of the alternatives, weed is probably the safest drug in the world right now, and with the failing of prohibition being evident, as you said it's time we looked as drugs as the cause of mental health issues instead of criminal ones.


I think you're deeply confused over whom you're arguing with. I have zero problems with legalization and every problem with the war on (some) drugs. I think a lot more than just weed needs to be legalized. I'm just a realist who knows that any escape in excess can ruin a life, even if you can't overdose on it without heroic effort. Video games are a prime example, they can't hurt you but they sure can screw your life up if you give it up and spend all your money to keep chasing that short-lived high. While much more benign than some truly horrible escapes, smoking weed is also more dangerous than, say, cross-stitching.

I mentioned in my Boobies that it's not a panacea. It's also obviously not a poison. It's just another escape with some minor health benefits and problems, an enjoyable pastime, nothing more, nothing less. You're the kind of guy who pushes it as a miracle with zero negatives, to the point of trying to argue down a legalization proponent, which makes everything you say suspect to anyone who knows better.

Are there any weed addiction centres anywhere?

Uh, yeah, most major cities have marijuana rehab clinics. Weed addicts need a place to get help just like every other kind of addict.
2013-01-06 04:17:53 PM  
1 vote:

foxyshadis: links136: foxyshadis: CujoQuarrel: I know one who doesn't and never did drink hardly at all

He's totally destroyed his life with pot. No other drugs just pot.

It's really really sad.

I believe it. Pot's not a panacea. It's just another escape that's fairly benign in moderation, like most. There's no escape on God's green earth that's benign when you do nothing else. Sad, hope he gets help or finds his bottom before the reaper does.

Are you trying to say pot will kill him?

Something will kill him. It won't be pot, but it'll be rooted in that addiction. Sad, but it's that minority that ruins a good thing for everyone else.

It'll get a lot more common as weed is increasingly legalized, too. The people who formerly would have ruined their lives with alcohol now have a second socially acceptable choice or ruination, awesome. The US's rugged individualism and unwillingness to acknowledge, let alone treat, mental illness will keep us from confronting that reality for as long as possible, until we swing back toward another prohibition.


Are you really comparing the destructiveness of alcohol to the destructiveness of weed? That's not even taking into account how much crap can be put into strains of weed by the black market. Or the destructiveness that prohibition is causing not only to americans by turning regular people into criminals for the sake of control, but the terrorizing that is going on in Mexico.

There's alot of issues in the country right now, weed is the farthest from it, and subsidizing drug cartels and making regular folks the same criminals as rapists and murderers is not the way to go. You got meth, crack, coke, heroin, LEGAL prescription abuse and such everywhere, and weed is a problem? 10000 people are murdered with guns every year and you think weed attributes to that? You ever see someone aggressive on weed?

I mean what does weed cause? Laziness? Obesity? Yeah only weed smokers suffer from that. Memory loss? They have methods for helping that and Alzheimer's. Considering alot of the alternatives, weed is probably the safest drug in the world right now, and with the failing of prohibition being evident, as you said it's time we looked as drugs as the cause of mental health issues instead of criminal ones.

Are there any weed addiction centres anywhere?
2013-01-06 03:43:35 PM  
1 vote:

accelerus: Meh - it's hilarious watching both sides argue.

Me? Never been high in my life, I'll drink, I'll have a cigarette or two sometimes but other than that... who cares?

I've known a few potheads - I won't judge them for what they like, but I will judge them for their actions. If you are the kind of pothead who gets so high you can't hold down a job, or function as a normal human being, or just say and do stupid shiat all the time...yeah I'm going to make fun of you for it. Not because you smoke weed, but because you are a failure at life.

If you smoke tons of weed, are a productive member of society, pay your debts, and don't do stupid shiat... well then I'd have to say congrats on having what seems like a great life.

Drugs mess most people up because most people are weak as hell when it comes to will power, self control, moderation, or just plain common sense.

Everyone loves to blame anything but themselves - "it's never MY fault, it's always something that happened to me, it's always some drug, some drink, some other external force" that's bullshiat because nobody ever puts a gun to your head and says "smoke this weed" or "go to to bar and spend 100 dollars getting loaded"


You are funny. You think that weed is the only thing that gets you high? You know that buzzed feeling you get when you drink? That is an alcohol high.
2013-01-06 02:02:49 PM  
1 vote:

accelerus: Meh - it's hilarious watching both sides argue.

Me? Never been high in my life, I'll drink, I'll have a cigarette or two sometimes but other than that... who cares?

I've known a few potheads - I won't judge them for what they like, but I will judge them for their actions. If you are the kind of pothead who gets so high you can't hold down a job, or function as a normal human being, or just say and do stupid shiat all the time...yeah I'm going to make fun of you for it. Not because you smoke weed, but because you are a failure at life.

If you smoke tons of weed, are a productive member of society, pay your debts, and don't do stupid shiat... well then I'd have to say congrats on having what seems like a great life.

Drugs mess most people up because most people are weak as hell when it comes to will power, self control, moderation, or just plain common sense.


I have to question your use of the term "most people." Pretty much everyone you meet in the world is going to have unfettered access to booze or weed or Krispy Kremes whenever they want, but remarkably few of them have surrendered completely to those cravings.
2013-01-06 01:57:19 PM  
1 vote:
"I found out the line was probably laced with dangerous crystal meth."

Pretty good argument for being able to get drugs legally.

Situation now: Get drugs easily; have no idea what's in them.

Situation with legalization: Get drugs easily, know exactly what's in them. Don't be afraid of being arrested in the course of seeking treatment for addiction. Society stops wasting quite so much money on you.
2013-01-06 01:19:19 PM  
1 vote:

kazikian: If you're lucky enough to find you can use and abuse substances without ruining your life, how about you enjoy your good fortune quietly instead of berating those that suffer due to drugs.


I'm an addict. I still agree with what Murphy said. 100%.

I'm now addicted to working, gardening, playing guitar, and violin, writing music, reading, cooking, and talking with friends. (and a whole list of stuff that fills that void)

I still go on self-allowed-and controlled benders twice yearly. At home. On my paid semester.
2013-01-06 12:31:10 PM  
1 vote:

accelerus: If you smoke tons of weed, are a productive member of society, pay your debts, and don't do stupid shiat... well then I'd have to say congrats on having what seems like a great life.


Depends on your job, but I know if I was stoned everyday, I couldn't do my job.  I do know quite a few people in my field (IT) that get stoned on the weekends.  They prefer pot to alcohol...and so long as they show up on Monday and do their job, who cares?

Just like everything else, moderation.
2013-01-06 11:30:55 AM  
1 vote:
Meh - it's hilarious watching both sides argue.

Me? Never been high in my life, I'll drink, I'll have a cigarette or two sometimes but other than that... who cares?

I've known a few potheads - I won't judge them for what they like, but I will judge them for their actions. If you are the kind of pothead who gets so high you can't hold down a job, or function as a normal human being, or just say and do stupid shiat all the time...yeah I'm going to make fun of you for it. Not because you smoke weed, but because you are a failure at life.

If you smoke tons of weed, are a productive member of society, pay your debts, and don't do stupid shiat... well then I'd have to say congrats on having what seems like a great life.

Drugs mess most people up because most people are weak as hell when it comes to will power, self control, moderation, or just plain common sense.

Everyone loves to blame anything but themselves - "it's never MY fault, it's always something that happened to me, it's always some drug, some drink, some other external force" that's bullshiat because nobody ever puts a gun to your head and says "smoke this weed" or "go to to bar and spend 100 dollars getting loaded"
2013-01-06 10:47:19 AM  
1 vote:
Stark warning from drama student queen who almost lost it all

FIFY


The legalization of pot won't make a difference with the kind of people like this woman who's brain is more susceptible to addiction and can't control their addiction. As she demonstrated everything she did in her story was illegal to begin with so if pot was legal she still would have made the same bad decisions in her life.

There's million of pot smokers that have no desire to go on to harder drugs, just like there are millions of coffee, alcohol and tobacco users, all of which are very addictive drugs, have no desire to become crack heads.  In addition even for those that do move on to hard drugs like heroin or cocaine they are countless users of those drugs that don't spiral out of control as this women did and lead relatively normal lives.
2013-01-06 10:09:46 AM  
1 vote:
All the well-stated reasoning in this and all threads won't matter to the core demographic who've made and kept marijuana illegal for decades. Their psyches were set up by brainwashing, starting in church and carrying into many aspects of regular daily life. Aerosol cheese could've been demonized similarly 50 years ago via propaganda and these people would believe it to be a cause of all sorts of evil.

This is a war of attrition. Gleeful cannabis besmirchers who voted for Nixon are dying off, one by one, and are replaced by human beings who've had more open-minded educational experiences focused on higher levels of Bloom's Taxonomy and better and more rapid methods of obtaining truths. We're already halfway there with two states fully legalizing recreational cannabis use. (If you would've told me 25 years ago that this would happen in my lifetime, I wouldn't have believed you).

I am looking forward to the day, very soon, when I can walk to the local corner store and pick up some weed for the weekend like I do beer now. Or grow a couple of rows of cannabis in my backyard like I do sunflowers. A happier, healthier world.
2013-01-06 08:06:41 AM  
1 vote:
My problems started with school. Soon I pregressed to college, and before I knew it I was having to get out of bed and go to work for eight hours a day. SCHOOL RUINED MY LIFE.
2013-01-06 06:55:43 AM  
1 vote:

fluffy2097: You might end up like this unfortunate man if you smoke the reefer!
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/That's right. Smoking weed leads to being a black president.


Or this one

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Or this one...

www.the-tribulation-network.com
2013-01-06 05:52:12 AM  
1 vote:

kazikian: I think that's rather harsh, while I agree with the sentiment that no particular drug causes the inherent addiction. Addiction is a compulsion to seek BLANK. If you get rid of one BLANK (by making it illegal, for instance) the addictive mind will find another. However, it is damn insensitive to say things like those I bolded in your statement. Maybe what you mean to say is "your psychological makeup ruined your life." or "your genetics ruined your life." But it never as simple as that, either. Addiction can only come of a combination of several factors in a perfect storm: An intolerable situation (intolerable to the addict, not objectively), a means to escape (the drug), positive reinforcement of that cycle, and the underlying biology to make it all boil over. Some people just can't be addicts and others will become addicts at the drop of a hat. If you're lucky enough to find you can use and abuse substances without ruining your life, how about you enjoy your good fortune quietly instead of berating those that suffer due to drugs.


I'm not unsympathetic, it's just a cold hard truth.

We all have complex psychological makeups, we are all saddled with the genetics we are given. I'm not suggesting anything is as simple as anything. I do not deny that some are predisposed to problems others aren't. And let's not forget the people that are literally dragged into the world of addiction against their will... or those just too dumb to know better until it's too late.

But if we want to play the blame game, rule #1 is blame is always shared.

And while there is a litany of things you can blame for your problems the only thing anyone ever needs worry themselves with in life are the things they can change. Even if you weren't responsible for the first fix, if you aren't responsible for your disposition to addiction, if you aren't responsible for the world you were born into and the community/environment you grew up in...

...all the odds that are stacked against you, you might not be responsible for.
But you ARE responsible for your own decisions, no matter how hard it might be to make the right one
.

This is life. It's farking cruel and cold and complex and hard. But we have free will. We are more than the sum of our parts. And that is why at the end of the day the only thing we can blame for our shortcomings, our addictions, our lives... is ourselves. Because it's usually the only thing we have at least some measure of control over. And if we don't face that, we never really face addiction. And you can't fight something you aren't facing.

It's not an easy truth. It's a very very hard one. Many can't come to it, and for those we have AA. Where you learn that you have no power, no control, and that only in a higher power can you be set free. A comforting lie, but a lie all the same. They surrender one addiction to another.. blind faith and obedience. Possibly the strongest drug known to man.

Every time we give in to our weaknesses it becomes harder to fight back.
Every time we take comfort in blaming something other than ourselves, we take a little less responsibility next time we get our next fix.
"It's not me, it's the dark side of me that I can't control"
.. no, it's both.
And either you are going to win or you are going to give in to that dark side inside you. Who gets to live? Who gets control? The you that chooses your life and your decisions or the you that is a victim of it and just along for the ride?

Addicts need to know: Take responsibility and control of your own shiat, or you'll be irresponsible and controlled for all your days. Be it by a drug, or a pimp or a bottle or whatever... I'm not saying it's easy. Quite the opposite. It's because it's so hard that it's so imperative to fight the fight and make the right choice every day.
fark up? Damn. Going to have to get back up and try again... it's going to be harder this time. Going to have to fight back even harder. Stare that shiat in the eye. Every day. Every long long day.
 

Blame the shiat you can't do anything about? Good for you, problem solved I guess. Let's all feel sorry for each other and have a good cry on the way to our next fix.

Own the problem? You are the problem? That we can't solve, but we can work with it. We can fight it, every long long day filled with urges and doubts and fantasies about giving in and really really hard choices. It's a road filled with counseling, doctors, friends and family that look at you differently than each other.... the hard road. The real one.

You think I'm a lucky guy that never had any problems and I should count my blessings? That I can't understand their problems and I'm not being compassionate or sensitive? You really couldn't have it more backwards.

/rant off
2013-01-06 05:09:08 AM  
1 vote:

kazikian: Pot can ruin your life as much as can heroin


This one of the dumbest statements I hear on a regular basis.

A drug that is habit forming is much much different then one that creates physical dependency.

Opiates are a whoooole nother ball game from cannabis.

/Know from experience.
//Stick to the reefer. Heroin can drag you to the depths of severe physical dependency in days and you won't even realize it.
///You might miss weed for a week when you stop. Heroin you jones for, for the rest of your life.
2013-01-06 05:05:39 AM  
1 vote:
If you are going to cook cannabis, a thumb sized piece is worthless. Smoke it to yourself. Get a quarter to half pound of leaf and bud trim, preferably dried. Process until dust in a cuisinart, depending on the quantity, throw one or two pounds of butter into a pot of 2 gallons of boiling water, once the butter melts, turn down to a simmer. Add cannabis and simmer for 90 minutes. Strain through cheesecloth and strainer into a large bowl you can fit in your freezer. Once the bundle has cooled down just enough to squeeze, but still burns the crap out of your hands, squeeze it like it owes your mom money. Take the bowl of butter and water and put it into your freezer. The butter will trap everything you want, and the water will trap everything you don't want. Once it freezes, scrape the butter off of the ice and discard the ice. Voila, motherfarkers.

You're welcome.
2013-01-06 04:49:34 AM  
1 vote:
I really wish even a few people would see middle ground on the drug debate. Drugs are not harmless by any means, not even pot. Pot can ruin your life as much as can heroin... or gambling, or whatever your vice is. On the flipside, making it illegal does nothing to make it less dangerous to those who'll become addicted and makes criminals out of the others (a much higher percentage) who seem able to use it recreationally WITHOUT getting addicted. Same with any substance, albeit to varying degrees. We really just need to start giving joints to all highschoolers, monitoring them to see who likes it just a little too much, and fast-tracking those kids into substance abuse programs. Kidding. But seriously, it will be a great day when a simple test exists to determine your FUTURE susceptibility to addiction.
2013-01-06 04:40:57 AM  
1 vote:

MurphyMurphy: ftfa:
"My problems started with alcohol. I moved on to cannabis, then cocaine, and eventually heroin. It's a typical progression for an addict."

So, what happened here? Legal pot laws hopped into the magical time machine, went back to when she was 14 and put a joint in her already drunken mouth?

Take some farking responsibility for your life. If you are an addict, that's on you.  You farked up. Your parents farked up. Instead of living your life you sought out escapes from it.

Pot didn't ruin your life. Neither did heroin or cocaine or alcohol. YOU RUINED YOUR LIFE.
This is the first lesson people like this have to learn if they ever want to actually go straight.

/drama student?
//I'd say she sounds like the drama farking master to me.


I think that's rather harsh, while I agree with the sentiment that no particular drug causes the inherent addiction. Addiction is a compulsion to seek BLANK. If you get rid of one BLANK (by making it illegal, for instance) the addictive mind will find another. However, it is damn insensitive to say things like those I bolded in your statement. Maybe what you mean to say is "your psychological makeup ruined your life." or "your genetics ruined your life." But it never as simple as that, either. Addiction can only come of a combination of several factors in a perfect storm: An intolerable situation (intolerable to the addict, not objectively), a means to escape (the drug), positive reinforcement of that cycle, and the underlying biology to make it all boil over. Some people just can't be addicts and others will become addicts at the drop of a hat. If you're lucky enough to find you can use and abuse substances without ruining your life, how about you enjoy your good fortune quietly instead of berating those that suffer due to drugs.
2013-01-06 03:51:14 AM  
1 vote:

w00ty: so, it's weeds fault... although the alcohol came first.


I'll bet wheat came before that. And water before that. And milk/formula before that. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
2013-01-06 03:39:04 AM  
1 vote:

ialdabaoth: david_gaithersburg: Smoking pot causes you to get straight a's and land a scholarship with Oxford, at least that's what I learned from the article.

no, it causes HER to get straight A's and land a scholarship with Oxford, probably because her daddy had the right connections. Your sorry ass is out of luck.


.
In reality it caused me to realize that nobody in the business world gives a flying fark about my grades, or where I went to college. Now living the life of an Obamnaire.
2013-01-06 03:34:37 AM  
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david_gaithersburg: Smoking pot causes you to get straight a's and land a scholarship with Oxford, at least that's what I learned from the article.


no, it causes HER to get straight A's and land a scholarship with Oxford, probably because her daddy had the right connections. Your sorry ass is out of luck.
2013-01-06 03:10:19 AM  
1 vote:

Ima4nic8or: I have wondered for several years about a possible connection between pot use and anxiety disorders. For a couple of years I had a panic disorder and also frequently had high levels of anxiety not quite reaching the panic level. This was quite a few years after I had last smoked weed (a youthful indiscretion I engaged in maybe a few dozen times). Anyway, one day while trying to figure out when I first experienced an intense feeling of anxiety I remembered that it was actually during my first experience with weed. I was around 17 and was smoking some in a park with a few older friends and was hit with really intense anxiety and paranoia. The other guys were tooling around the parking lot on bicycles and skateboards and generally farking around but I was sitting there absolutely convinced that if I even tried to stand up and walk I would fall down and split my skull. That was not the only odd thought in my head that day but it is the one that stands out. I am not sure why I ever smoked it again after that but I did and never had the same negative response again.

Not saying the two are necessarily connected. Could just be a coincidence. It is an interesting one though.


It actually helps with my anxiety (which started long before I started smoking). I did experience early paranoia somewhat like you, except that mine was all related to fear of being caught (so it had more to do with being a goody-two-shoes doing something illegal than the drug itself). Once it finally sank in that there were no magic weed police, I stopped having paranoia issues. YMMV; I am not chemically normal so not a good benchpost for humanity.
2013-01-06 02:59:43 AM  
1 vote:
There was a time when I could gauge how high I was going to become by how intense the initial paranoid rush was.  Now I live in a legal-cannabis state and the initial rush doesn't have any great fear to attach itself to.  The paranoia side-effects of smoking have disappeared.
2013-01-06 02:53:57 AM  
1 vote:

sxacho: But in the end, it all worked out. That was some crazy shiat though. Didn't get robbed (didn't have any more money), didn't suck dick for pot, and didn't accept any offers of whatever they were injecting into themselves. Plus I made a friend. Here's to you Charlie the crazy bum. Isn't that what it's all about?


HOLD THE PHONE, people suck dick for pot? now if that's true that's the most retarded thing I've read today
2013-01-06 02:31:07 AM  
1 vote:
Dumb people are dumb.
It's the power hungry people with an agenda that give them a voice.
2013-01-06 01:25:28 AM  
1 vote:

sxacho: When I was in college, strange town, no friends yet after probably too long a time, I was heckled on the street by a bum, so I said fark it and asked him where to get some pot. I was pretty much a stoner at my old school but transferred to this new place. And so began an adventure of a night where he led me through some seedy shiat which culminated in me hanging out in a filthy apartment while some guy with my money went off to "get some weed" for me. While there I was asked by some of this bum's friends to do the needle for them as their hands were too unsteady due to all the, I dunno, heroin I guess? I politely refused and sat in this room waiting for the return on my money while listening to a couple dudes quietly talk to God or whatever while some movie was on the tv. Every new and then one of them would ask me again to shoot them up while I sat there, scared out of my mind, saying no thanks.

But in the end, it all worked out. That was some crazy shiat though. Didn't get robbed (didn't have any more money), didn't suck dick for pot, and didn't accept any offers of whatever they were injecting into themselves. Plus I made a friend. Here's to you Charlie the crazy bum. Isn't that what it's all about?

/didn't really make a friend that night
//did get my money's worth of Mexican ditch weed though


Yikes.  I've been in similar situations while waiting for dope.  And apparently I have a real "might be a cop/snitch" vibe about me which isnt helpful.

I'm old enough now that I've got stable hook ups.
2013-01-06 01:22:48 AM  
1 vote:
"My problems started with alcohol. I moved on to cannabis, then cocaine, and eventually heroin. It's a typical progression for an addict. ... "Making cannabis legal holds a lot of risks for a lot of people.

A significant portion of the risks comes from cannabis being illegal, so those would disappear. Further, any increase in cannabis use likely occurs alongside a decrease in use of other illicit substances since access to cannabis would no longer carry risks equal to other substances and would no longer be sold by dealers of other substances. I think flocking to cannabis as a result of being legalized is away from other substances by and large, which is well worth it.
2013-01-06 01:19:26 AM  
1 vote:

MurphyMurphy: -I dated a chick that had a completely real and debilitating panic attack when I broke up with her. Love and dating shouldn't be illegal.


Maybe we can just make dating you illegal.

If you're causing panic attacks by breakin' up with people, we need to get that under control. I'm calling the DEA. This new Murphy2 stuff on the bar scene has got to be regulated.
2013-01-06 01:09:36 AM  
1 vote:

nburghmatt: PsiChick: give me doughnuts: Probably a high-maintenance AW from an early age. Got a Makiby Barbie instead of the Ballerina Barbie, had a hissy fit, and said ,"I'll show them!" Next week: smoking and drinking.

All else follows.

...Her farking  dad died and she had pre-existing issues with the guy, you moran. I mean, yes, she's blaming the wrong things here, but it's not like she woke up one day and decided it'd be fun to fark over her life. She got spectacularly unlucky both in personality type and family circumstance. Should she have started doing anything illegal? No. Are her problems because she's an AW who wrecked her life to fark people over? F**k no, and calling people with shiat luck AWs makes the problem worse.

werd. my problem is with that shiatty excuse for a paper, making a 'story' out of it.


Yup. They should've told her 'hey, go to counseling'.

/Farking 'journalists'...
2013-01-06 12:55:05 AM  
1 vote:

give me doughnuts: Probably a high-maintenance AW from an early age. Got a Makiby Barbie instead of the Ballerina Barbie, had a hissy fit, and said ,"I'll show them!" Next week: smoking and drinking.

All else follows.


...Her farking  dad died and she had pre-existing issues with the guy, you moran. I mean, yes, she's blaming the wrong things here, but it's not like she woke up one day and decided it'd be fun to fark over her life. She got spectacularly unlucky both in personality type and family circumstance. Should she have started doing anything illegal? No. Are her problems because she's an AW who wrecked her life to fark people over? F**k no, and calling people with shiat luck AWs makes the problem worse.
2013-01-06 12:51:06 AM  
1 vote:
so, it's weeds fault... although the alcohol came first.


...right....
2013-01-06 12:50:13 AM  
1 vote:
I have wondered for several years about a possible connection between pot use and anxiety disorders. For a couple of years I had a panic disorder and also frequently had high levels of anxiety not quite reaching the panic level. This was quite a few years after I had last smoked weed (a youthful indiscretion I engaged in maybe a few dozen times). Anyway, one day while trying to figure out when I first experienced an intense feeling of anxiety I remembered that it was actually during my first experience with weed. I was around 17 and was smoking some in a park with a few older friends and was hit with really intense anxiety and paranoia. The other guys were tooling around the parking lot on bicycles and skateboards and generally farking around but I was sitting there absolutely convinced that if I even tried to stand up and walk I would fall down and split my skull. That was not the only odd thought in my head that day but it is the one that stands out. I am not sure why I ever smoked it again after that but I did and never had the same negative response again.

Not saying the two are necessarily connected. Could just be a coincidence. It is an interesting one though.
2013-01-06 12:47:07 AM  
1 vote:
For me it started with my mother's teets. They'd be the first thing I reached for and id fall asleep with them in my mouth. When they were away for even a few seconds id bawl my brains out and kick, fuss and shake. Damn that evil woman getting me addictified.
2013-01-06 12:40:36 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingAgenda: Point 1:  She was a lot cuter back when she was a stoner.  Now she looks like a dude.

Point 2:
the recovering addict, now 22, says: "For people with addictive personalities or who need to fill a void, legalising cannabis could be so dangerous.

"My problems started with alcohol...

Bwahahahahha


Lol. This.

I'm not a smoker, nor do I believe all the miracle curative properties that the Pot Squad attributes to it, nor do I find it difficult to believe when real studies show that pot can have negative effects. But nobody can realistically read this story and say that weed did this to her. Alcohol is at least as implicit -- in fact more so -- as it was the thing that first triggered her addictive personality traits. She became a strung-out druggie because she had an addictive personality and hung out with other losers who encouraged her to do harder and harder drugs, not because she smoked pot.

I certainly don't think it's good for you, but lets not pretend that it is any worse than other things we have legalized.
2013-01-06 12:32:16 AM  
1 vote:
Self medicating often doesn't end well.
2013-01-06 12:30:31 AM  
1 vote:
I started with LSD, then moved on to pot and then alcohol. Stayed employed. Went back to school. Kept working.


Where's my headline?
2013-01-06 12:28:17 AM  
1 vote:
Oh, The Sun. Is there a drama addict you won't give attention to?

/C'mon, she's a DRAMA STUDENT. Her only training is to LIE.
2013-01-06 12:15:47 AM  
1 vote:
Heroin is what gets you hooked on heroin. This woman is a moron.
2013-01-06 12:13:17 AM  
1 vote:

nburghmatt: johncb76006: It would be a lot easier to judge how healthy she is now if she would pop that top and let those puppies out for some air.

she'll do whatever you want her to do for a little taste of that sweet, sweet cannabis.


www.spikednation.com
2013-01-06 12:10:50 AM  
1 vote:
or maybe you're just a coont
2013-01-06 12:08:42 AM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: FunkOut: I'd like to blame the internet for my short attention span but it was probably pre-existing and these are really good crackers and I wonder what the boiling point of neodymium is.

3127 C. Man, for someone who let the internet ruin his life you're google-fu needs work.


I was trying to force myself to remember. Then I got distracted by pictures of trans-Neptunian objects.
2013-01-06 12:06:18 AM  
1 vote:

Frederick: I agree with what you said, but I would like to draw attention to the disconnect that allows people to attribute cannabis with being a gateway while ignoring alcohol, nicotine, caffeine and prescription meds as gateways.


It's people like you what cause unrest.
2013-01-06 12:03:30 AM  
1 vote:
It would be a lot easier to judge how healthy she is now if she would pop that top and let those puppies out for some air.
2013-01-06 12:01:41 AM  
1 vote:
Addiction ... re-enactment of a person burning heroin in a spoon ......bwahahahhahaaha
2013-01-06 12:00:41 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingAgenda: Point 1:  She was a lot cuter back when she was a stoner.  Now she looks like a dude.

Point 2:
the recovering addict, now 22, says: "For people with addictive personalities or who need to fill a void, legalising cannabis could be so dangerous.

"My problems started with alcohol...

Bwahahahahha


Yep. every single person I've ever met with a serious drug problem started with alcohol.
2013-01-06 12:00:11 AM  
1 vote:
Does coke really cost 200 pounds a gram in Sydney? Da Fuq?
2013-01-05 11:58:29 PM  
1 vote:
This thread should be amusing.
 
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