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2013-01-05 11:37:10 PM
That's why the call the city , SURPRISE.
 
2013-01-05 11:55:38 PM

Nothing To See Here: That's why the call the city , SURPRISE.


Guess we know where they shot him
 
2013-01-06 12:09:58 AM
Well, at least he's not dead.

Yet.
 
2013-01-06 12:28:01 AM
If we would just shoot all the people who threaten suicide non-fatally, eventually people would stop using it as a cry for attention.

"Oh, woe is me. I'm going to shoot myself!"

"No you're no. Illuminate him."
 
2013-01-06 03:14:42 AM
Fine. I'll do it.
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2013-01-06 03:14:49 AM
i1190.photobucket.com

Lets see if this works...
 
2013-01-06 03:14:54 AM
The Surprise Police, they live inside of my head. The Surprise Police, they'll shoot a guy dead.
 
2013-01-06 03:16:07 AM
Crack suicide squad! Attack!
 
2013-01-06 03:16:47 AM
So they kinda gave him what he wanted?

/sounds like a bad gift
//SURPRISE!
 
2013-01-06 03:17:34 AM
This is why headlines from there have a special place in my heart. You can always work a Surprise! joke in there...
 
2013-01-06 03:17:38 AM
That'll learn him.
 
2013-01-06 03:18:27 AM

Ed Grubermann: Fine. I'll do it.


Almost forgot where that was from

/damn, Al needs to get back to movies again
 
2013-01-06 03:19:01 AM
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2013-01-06 03:19:35 AM
Suprise is the new Quakertown. HaHA!
 
HBK
2013-01-06 03:29:25 AM
This is one of those "you can't quit, you're fired!" type situations
 
2013-01-06 03:29:32 AM

No Time To Explain: Ed Grubermann: Fine. I'll do it.

Almost forgot where that was from

/damn, Al needs to get back to movies again


What -is- it from? Sincerely curious.
 
2013-01-06 03:32:14 AM

GloomCookie613: No Time To Explain: Ed Grubermann: Fine. I'll do it.

Almost forgot where that was from

/damn, Al needs to get back to movies again

What -is- it from? Sincerely curious.


UHF by Weird Al.
 
2013-01-06 03:32:48 AM
FTFA: Officers negotiated with the man for a period of time, and then attempted to use a less lethal device to stop the man from hurting himself.

BUT BUT BUT..THE FARK ARMCHAIR POLICE BRIGADE TELLS ME THAT THIS NEVER FAILS, AND ALL REAL COPS(TM) SHOULD DO IT! HOW COULD THIS BE?!?

Also, way to go. Do you have to pay by the word for space there, Mister Journalist. I'd be nice to know why they shot him. Did he point the gun at a cop?

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Guess he ATTEMPTED suicide by cop, at any rate.
 
2013-01-06 03:39:29 AM
Why is it any concern of the government if anyone wants to end their life?

/Jack Kevorkian - right message, wrong messenger (Ross Perot, as well).
 
2013-01-06 03:39:58 AM
Server farked
 
2013-01-06 03:41:14 AM

crabsno termites: Why is it any concern of the government if anyone wants to end their life?


Because someone who thinks that there's no one in the world who can solve his emotional problems is not the same as someone who's wanting to die with dignity and end the pain from a terminal disease from which there is no hope of a quality life or recovery.

One is a mental illness. The other is basic dignity.
 
2013-01-06 03:42:51 AM
looks like a up scale neighborhood and i bet he used a lot of verbs too
 
2013-01-06 03:45:05 AM
Can we spread the word? Maybe we can educate children too.

If you're gonna kill yourself, kill yourself.

Do NOT take out a whole bunch of others who had no say in the matter.

Do NOT make the cops shoot you - as you can see it didn't exactly work in this situation and there's a very good chance he'll never be let out of custody again.

If you wanna make a cry for help, do it without the gun.

If you wanna kill yourself, just do it.
 
2013-01-06 03:46:00 AM
 
2013-01-06 03:59:48 AM

BronyMedic: crabsno termites: Why is it any concern of the government if anyone wants to end their life?

Because someone who thinks that there's no one in the world who can solve his emotional problems is not the same as someone who's wanting to die with dignity and end the pain from a terminal disease from which there is no hope of a quality life or recovery.

One is a mental illness. The other is basic dignity.


It's not quite as simple as that though.

What if one actually suffers from mental illness? (as opposed to most Farkers who claim they enjoy every minute of it).

I can't say there's no cure or even any treatment that may help, but the same could be said of any physical disease.

Should the mentally ill not be allowed to die with dignity?  Who gets to make that call? What criteria do they apply?

Okay, you're terminally ill. The doctors all agree you won't live more than 6 months and even though you will be in some great pain we're gonna have to make you ride this one out.

Oh, hi, suicidal guy? You say you can never sleep and you have tried every medication ever known to man and you still hate life? Oh, come now. You're in great health. Maybe we should lock you up so you can live another 50 years - in prison, just so you don't kill yourself.
 
2013-01-06 04:05:50 AM

Happy Hours: Can we spread the word? Maybe we can educate children too.

If you're gonna kill yourself, kill yourself.

Do NOT take out a whole bunch of others who had no say in the matter.

Do NOT make the cops shoot you - as you can see it didn't exactly work in this situation and there's a very good chance he'll never be let out of custody again.

If you wanna make a cry for help, do it without the gun.

If you wanna kill yourself, just do it.


We'd need to start by making suicide legal.

But that won't happen for all sorts of reasons (political/religious).
 
2013-01-06 04:13:10 AM
Happy Hours:
It's not quite as simple as that though.

What if one actually suffers from mental illness? (as opposed to most Farkers who claim they enjoy every minute of it).

I can't say there's no cure or even any treatment that may help, but the same could be said of any physical disease.

Should the mentally ill not be allowed to die with dignity?  Who gets to make that call? What criteria do they apply?

Okay, you're terminally ill. The doctors all agree you won't live more than 6 months and even though you will be in some great pain we're gonna have to make you ride this one out.

Oh, hi, suicidal guy? You say you can never sleep and you have tried every medication ever known to man and you still hate life? Oh, come now. You're in great health. Maybe we should lock you up so you can live another 50 years - in prison, just so you don't kill yourself.


Indeed.  People without crippling depression don't realize how much mental illness can just hurt.  There's not really anywhere you can point to, but the misery is absolute.
A very good article about Borderline Personality Disorder can be found at www.borderlinesworld.com
 
2013-01-06 04:13:28 AM
"The attempt wasn't successful, and at some point the man was shot by police."

I guess the police wanted to get back to their lunch break?
 
2013-01-06 04:25:02 AM
Guess this way if he dies at least if he has life insurance or something, his family will get that, and probably a wrongful death settlement....or he'll probably get money from the city if he lives.......guess he knew what he was doing.
 
2013-01-06 04:25:04 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: We'd need to start by making suicide legal.

But that won't happen for all sorts of reasons (political/religious).


It already is. It's only illegal if you fail.

As said above, we need better mental health care for the despondent.

We need access to dignified euthanasia, but again smart people can already get it done but making it legal, a la Dignitas, would be better.

I've given hospice care to terminal cancer patients and the end is not pretty. The option to go out before the body finishes eating itself from the inside is preferable to many. .
 
2013-01-06 04:34:04 AM

President Merkin Muffley: Suprise is the new Quakertown. HaHA!


I guffawed.
 
2013-01-06 04:36:49 AM

jigger: Surprise! You're dead!


Ahh sweet nostalgia. I'm going to have to put on Angel Dust later.

/ different album, I know, but it's better
 
2013-01-06 04:39:12 AM
And here I was expecting cats and buttsex.
 
2013-01-06 04:48:05 AM
to some extent, the purpose of having suicide on the books as illegal is to allow the police to get the fellow to some help ideally. I'm not sure how many cases of attempted bridge diving ever make it to trial, they just get released to the supposed care of a mental health unit.
/yes, quite well aware of the weaknesses in that whole system.
//nurse
///with a goatee.
 
2013-01-06 04:53:14 AM

Happy Hours: It's not quite as simple as that though.

What if one actually suffers from mental illness? (as opposed to most Farkers who claim they enjoy every minute of it).


Semantics and a shameful false comparison with a terminal illness. Mental illness is treatable, and that treatment can result in a great quality of life for people who do comply with treatment and stay on their regiment.

Happy Hours: I can't say there's no cure or even any treatment that may help, but the same could be said of any physical disease.


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Because a 16 year old girl who's boyfriend just dumped her, and a 34 year old man facing foreclosure on his house are the same thing as a person with less than six months to live and in horrid pain from cancer, and a patient facing the progression of huntingdon's chorea.

Yes. There ARE treatments. Yes, there ARE people out there who live quality lives with mental illness. People who think it's OK for the mentally ill to kill themselves are the same caliber of people who will gladly stigmatize those WITH mental illness to the point they never seek treatment because of the stigma, or exile themselves to the streets.

Happy Hours: Should the mentally ill not be allowed to die with dignity? Who gets to make that call? What criteria do they apply?


Nice skirting of the actual issue. Would allowing a mentally ill person to live with treatment cause them intractable pain and no quality of life? Yes, they should be allowed to die of dignity of a condition that will kill them. Not because the voices in their heads tell them to pull the trigger, and not because Miss Margeret thinks she should kill herself because she's a failure of a new mother.

Happy Hours: Oh, hi, suicidal guy? You say you can never sleep and you have tried every medication ever known to man and you still hate life? Oh, come now. You're in great health. Maybe we should lock you up so you can live another 50 years - in prison, just so you don't kill yourself.


A Residential Treatment institution is NOT prison.

Why stop with the mentally ill. Why not anyone who's ill and a burdon on society. For a greater people, you undestand!
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2013-01-06 05:01:42 AM
Amateurs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHvWaviIXsk
 
2013-01-06 05:08:58 AM

lohphat: Fark_Guy_Rob: We'd need to start by making suicide legal.

But that won't happen for all sorts of reasons (political/religious).

It already is. It's only illegal if you fail.

As said above, we need better mental health care for the despondent.

We need access to dignified euthanasia, but again smart people can already get it done but making it legal, a la Dignitas, would be better.

I've given hospice care to terminal cancer patients and the end is not pretty. The option to go out before the body finishes eating itself from the inside is preferable to many. .


I have to disagree....

It's illegal to commit suicide.
Helping someone commit suicide is also illegal.
Attempting suicide is also illegal.
 
2013-01-06 05:11:38 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's illegal to commit suicide.


Only if you do a crappy job of it.
 
2013-01-06 05:13:12 AM

BronyMedic: Semantics and a shameful false comparison with a terminal illness. Mental illness is treatable, and that treatment can result in a great quality of life for people who do comply with treatment and stay on their regiment.


But what if *I* don't *want* to be treated?
 
2013-01-06 05:14:03 AM
I wonder if the inmates in Surprise have a lot of surprise buttsecks
 
2013-01-06 05:15:45 AM

Neondistraction: Fark_Guy_Rob: It's illegal to commit suicide.

Only if you do a crappy job of it.


That's true of every law. Murder is only illegal if you do a crappy job of it. Speeding is only illegal if you do a crappy job of it. etc...etc...

It still *means* something for something to be illegal. It's a moral judgement reflecting the will of our society. If something is illegal, it's (at least supposed to be) *wrong*. Murder is *wrong*. Suicide is *wrong*. If it wasn't wrong; why would it be illegal?
 
2013-01-06 05:40:12 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Happy Hours: Can we spread the word? Maybe we can educate children too.

If you're gonna kill yourself, kill yourself.

Do NOT take out a whole bunch of others who had no say in the matter.

Do NOT make the cops shoot you - as you can see it didn't exactly work in this situation and there's a very good chance he'll never be let out of custody again.

If you wanna make a cry for help, do it without the gun.

If you wanna kill yourself, just do it.

We'd need to start by making suicide legal.

But that won't happen for all sorts of reasons (political/religious).


Find me a single state where "suicide" is illegal.  First off, how do you charge the offender?  You can't.  Secondly, so far as I know, an attempt at suicide, unless you also commit an actual crime (illegal possession of a firearm, criminal recklessness, etc) will not land you in jail in any state.  It will, however, land you with what's called an "Immediate Detention" which a judge can order extended for a period of time.  You can't, however (to my knowledge) go to jail for an attempted suicide.
 
2013-01-06 05:45:32 AM
I should clarify that most state, I'd venture to say all, have laws against aiding, abetting, or encouraging a person to commit suicide, or inducing a person to commit suicide.  But a person who tries to down a shiatload of pills, or slits their wrists in an attempt to die, isn't going to jail for the crime of "attempting suicide."

If somebody can cite me a law in any state, I'll happily admit that I'm wrong.
 
2013-01-06 05:48:59 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Neondistraction: Fark_Guy_Rob: It's illegal to commit suicide.

Only if you do a crappy job of it.

That's true of every law. Murder is only illegal if you do a crappy job of it. Speeding is only illegal if you do a crappy job of it. etc...etc...

It still *means* something for something to be illegal. It's a moral judgement reflecting the will of our society. If something is illegal, it's (at least supposed to be) *wrong*. Murder is *wrong*. Suicide is *wrong*. If it wasn't wrong; why would it be illegal?


Wat?
 
2013-01-06 05:50:32 AM
I have been to Surprise twice for spring training. Not a real happening place. The cop beat must be dull
 
2013-01-06 06:01:39 AM
Is there some good reason people actually live in Arizona? Or is it just that they're trapped and somehow can't find a way to escape?
 
2013-01-06 06:03:18 AM
Is Surprise pronounced the same way as it usually is, or is it like Pierre or Quincy, where everyone gets bent out of shape if you pronounce it wrong?
 
2013-01-06 06:06:19 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: But what if *I* don't *want* to be treated?


In no country in the world today do you have the inalienable right to harm or kill yourself or others. But thanks to Saint Ronny, you can join a select club!

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2013-01-06 06:08:09 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Fark_Guy_Rob: Happy Hours: Can we spread the word? Maybe we can educate children too.

If you're gonna kill yourself, kill yourself.

Do NOT take out a whole bunch of others who had no say in the matter.

Do NOT make the cops shoot you - as you can see it didn't exactly work in this situation and there's a very good chance he'll never be let out of custody again.

If you wanna make a cry for help, do it without the gun.

If you wanna kill yourself, just do it.

We'd need to start by making suicide legal.

But that won't happen for all sorts of reasons (political/religious).

Find me a single state where "suicide" is illegal.  First off, how do you charge the offender?  You can't.  Secondly, so far as I know, an attempt at suicide, unless you also commit an actual crime (illegal possession of a firearm, criminal recklessness, etc) will not land you in jail in any state.  It will, however, land you with what's called an "Immediate Detention" which a judge can order extended for a period of time.  You can't, however (to my knowledge) go to jail for an attempted suicide.


You can't prosecute a dead man, sure. But if something is illegal, inevitably, attempted something is also illegal. As a result, attempted suicide would be illegal and as a result assisting someone to commit suicide is also illegal.

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not trying to be pedantic - so I'm not going to split hairs between 'being arrested' and being 'detained forever' or the difference between being locked in a 'cell' and locked in a 'room'. In either case, if representatives of the US government have the ability to detain you, against your will, for attempting to commit suicide - it's 'illegal' for all practical definitions of illegal.

One specific state, California, has 'Involuntary psychiatric hold' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_5150). That means, in California, you can be detained, forever, so long as someone who is 'qualified' decides you are a danger to yourself.

Only three states allow someone to assist a person in their suicide (Montana, Oregon, and Washington) - and they have very specific criteria (you must have less than 6 months to live, you must be terminally ill, you must be in pain, etc, etc....); in the other 47 states, helping someone to commit suicide is illegal. A listing of the specific laws and penalties can be found at http://euthanasia.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000132 - but the penalty for helping someone kill themselves is pretty serious in many states:

Up to 15 years in prison and/or a fine up to $30,000 if suicide results; up to seven years in prison and/or a fine up to $14,000 if attempted suicide results.

That's from Minnesota - which is interesting in that it specifies what happens if you help someone *ATTEMPT* to kill themselves. So, in this state, even aiding in an attempt is severely punishable.

So, without splitting hairs....
If you attempt to kill yourself or even make plans to kill yourself; you can be locked up against your will.
If anyone tries to help you kill yourself, in 47 states, they've committed a very serious crime. And in the 3 - unless you are in a very particular situation - they've still committed a very serious crime.
 
2013-01-06 06:09:04 AM

doglover: If we would just shoot all the people who threaten suicide non-fatally, eventually people would stop using it as a cry for attention.

"Oh, woe is me. I'm going to shoot myself!"

"No you're no. Illuminate him."


i like animals more than people but golly gee whiz. there are people who attempt suicide or threaten to attempt suicide because their life situation or mental health condition is such that it appears death is the best choice. IMHO a person in this condition is in the throes of madness. they are crying out for help and are out of their mind, to coin the phrase. people with mental health situations are already at a disadvantage with members of law enforcement, either because the police person pointing their weapon doesn't know or doesn't care about the reason behind the action. judging by online news their are enough civilians shot by law enforcement on a weekly basis. some of them are even justifiable but encouragement to add to the tally is harsh.

come mister tally man, tally me civilians
shot by a cop while walking home
come mister tally man, tally me civilians
another man dead, on paid leave i go
 
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