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2013-01-05 08:04:22 PM
This isn't a Florida thing.  The lack of identification for service dogs causes problems everywhere.  We need a genetically modified breed that's so farking hideous nobody who doesn't need one would own one.
 
2013-01-05 08:34:15 PM
FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.
 
2013-01-05 08:59:50 PM

corq: What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.


www.mathsisfun.com
 
2013-01-05 09:33:05 PM

corq: FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.


Actually, what you have recently is a number of people getting bogus service dog licenses for $50 from a doctor without any central body verifying the dog is actually trained in any way.

Seeing eye dogs, police dogs, and bomb sniffers are all highly trained animals. "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.
 
2013-01-05 09:46:30 PM
"It's hard to deal with. The law doesn't require the service dog to have identification. In fact, it's against that law for someone to ask a handler of a service dog for identification," says Wilburn.
In addition, she says service dogs do not have to be in a vest or harness to be recognized.


So they make them impossible to identify? That sounds like a great plan. No one could possibly abuse this system.
 
2013-01-05 10:12:06 PM
They better not touch my service Aardvark...
 
2013-01-05 10:15:38 PM

BarkingUnicorn: This isn't a Florida thing.  The lack of identification for service dogs causes problems everywhere.  We need a genetically modified breed that's so farking hideous nobody who doesn't need one can see would own one.


FTFY

/sorry
//not really
 
2013-01-05 10:16:46 PM
I got an amazing service dog for my son. Tons of money and training but worth it. He's going blind after 3 years so we are training a service dog for my service dog. It's mental.
 
2013-01-05 10:16:52 PM

doglover: corq: FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.

Actually, what you have recently is a number of people getting bogus service dog licenses for $50 from a doctor without any central body verifying the dog is actually trained in any way.

Seeing eye dogs, police dogs, and bomb sniffers are all highly trained animals. "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.


I love Adam Carolla's idea for an emotional support pelican named Gilligan, whose sole purpose is to eat chihuahua support dogs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3VzXk6f4s
 
2013-01-05 10:17:01 PM
So many potential problems here, it boggles the imagination. Or maybe not -- is those without any who cause the problems, eh wot?
insufficient imagination to find suitable foto to accompany this
 
2013-01-05 10:17:16 PM

fusillade762: "It's hard to deal with. The law doesn't require the service dog to have identification. In fact, it's against that law for someone to ask a handler of a service dog for identification," says Wilburn.
In addition, she says service dogs do not have to be in a vest or harness to be recognized.

So they make them impossible to identify? That sounds like a great plan. No one could possibly abuse this system.


Much better that we force disabled people to stick out like a sore thumb than accept the fact that some jackasses will abuse the system. Maybe we could sew little yellow crutches to them for identification!!
 
2013-01-05 10:20:13 PM

doglover: corq: FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.

Actually, what you have recently is a number of people getting bogus service dog licenses for $50 from a doctor without any central body verifying the dog is actually trained in any way.

Seeing eye dogs, police dogs, and bomb sniffers are all highly trained animals. "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.


Unfortunately, here's how wealth works.

If you don't have a central licensing body, then you have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes.

If you DO have a central licensing body, then you STILL have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes, because they know how connections work and how to manipulate them. What you manage to do, though, is prevent a bunch of poor ass kids from getting seeing-eye dogs, because they DON'T have those connections.

Regulation always hurts the poor. Deregulation always hurts the poor. Reregulation always hurts the poor. Rederegulation always hurts the poor.

fark the poor.
 
2013-01-05 10:21:05 PM

sleeps in trees: I got an amazing service dog for my son. Tons of money and training but worth it. He's going blind after 3 years so we are training a service dog for my service dog. It's mental.


whattupmyguy.com
 
2013-01-05 10:22:45 PM
As somebody who works in a business that frequently sees service animals I'm getting a bit of a kick out of this. Yes we aren't allowed to ask for identification for a service animal. But yes we also know that the Dauchsaund in your purse is not a service animal, despite what the vest it's wearing says.

And no a cat/chinchilla/alligator is not a service animal. The law only allows two species (dogs and mini horses) and those are not one of them.

No excuse for the people in the article though, if you own a business it's your duty to train your employees on the law regarding service animals.
 
2013-01-05 10:23:11 PM
"It's hard to deal with. The law doesn't require the service dog to have identification. In fact, it's against that law for someone to ask a handler of a service dog for identification," says Wilburn.


Not true.

It is illegal to ask for any special identification from Service Dog partners. Some carry ID cards, and may present them voluntarily, but this also is not required, and should not be expected. You may NOT ask for "proof" or certification of the dog's training as a condition of entry into your business.

You of course have to be able to present normal ID like anyone else.

Also, idiots with Therapy Dogs are not federally protected, and can be asked to take a hike.
http://www.nh.gov/disability/information/community/serviceanimals.htm
 
2013-01-05 10:24:56 PM
Service dogs destroyed my marriage and shot up an elementary school.

Plus: spaying is birth control. So there goes my religious freedom.
 
2013-01-05 10:32:32 PM
Here's a pic of my service dog, Smiley:

nosmokeandmirrors.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-05 10:32:59 PM
Who has the authority to ask people to leave a public beach? Cops, park rangers, lifeguards?
 
2013-01-05 10:34:01 PM

ZzeusS: "It's hard to deal with. The law doesn't require the service dog to have identification. In fact, it's against that law for someone to ask a handler of a service dog for identification," says Wilburn.


Not true.

It is illegal to ask for any special identification from Service Dog partners. Some carry ID cards, and may present them voluntarily, but this also is not required, and should not be expected. You may NOT ask for "proof" or certification of the dog's training as a condition of entry into your business.

You of course have to be able to present normal ID like anyone else.

Also, idiots with Therapy Dogs are not federally protected, and can be asked to take a hike.
http://www.nh.gov/disability/information/community/serviceanimals.htm


So all businesses have to be managed, or at least the doors monitored by, psychic superheroes who can read the mind of the people trying to bring their dogs in, and tell whether the dog is an actual service dog or not, without even speaking to the owner to confirm it (because that's a lawsuit).

/then everyone wonders why all the small businesses that don't have a billion dollar legal team on standby keep shutting down
//must be those EVIL REPUBLICANS up to no good as usual
 
2013-01-05 10:35:36 PM
I'm telling you, plenty of the disabled are chock full of good organs. We could make this REAL simple.
 
2013-01-05 10:37:06 PM
No establishment better ask questions about my service hooker.
 
2013-01-05 10:38:01 PM
A lot of this comes from irresponsible pet owners who figuratively peed in the pool before the person with the service animal arrived.

Be a responsible pet owner and many good things will not be spoiled, like the attitude of those who don't know federal law and don't care. It must be a pain to have a lawyer on speed dial, because that is what would happen if I needed a service dog.
 
2013-01-05 10:39:43 PM

CRtwenty: As somebody who works in a business that frequently sees service animals I'm getting a bit of a kick out of this. Yes we aren't allowed to ask for identification for a service animal. But yes we also know that the Dauchsaund in your purse is not a service animal, despite what the vest it's wearing says.


depends on your definition of 'service'.

/exit row

this country is ghey now.
 
2013-01-05 10:39:47 PM

doglover: corq: FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.

Actually, what you have recently is a number of people getting bogus service dog licenses for $50 from a doctor without any central body verifying the dog is actually trained in any way.

Seeing eye dogs, police dogs, and bomb sniffers are all highly trained animals. "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.


I live in SF and I see that all the time. Its farking annoying to no end. Especially when they are using the laws set up for truly disabled people to just have their pets with them.
 
2013-01-05 10:39:54 PM
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ialdabaoth: doglover: corq: FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.

Actually, what you have recently is a number of people getting bogus service dog licenses for $50 from a doctor without any central body verifying the dog is actually trained in any way.

Seeing eye dogs, police dogs, and bomb sniffers are all highly trained animals. "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.

Unfortunately, here's how wealth works.

If you don't have a central licensing body, then you have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes.

If you DO have a central licensing body, then you STILL have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes, because they know how connections work and how to manipulate them. What you manage to do, though, is prevent a bunch of poor ass kids from getting seeing-eye dogs, because they DON'T have those connections.

Regulation always hurts the poor. Deregulation always hurts the poor. Reregulation always hurts the poor. Rederegulation always hurts the poor.

fark the poor.


You sound cynical.

Or perhaps even Jaded.
 
2013-01-05 10:40:05 PM
Florida
 
2013-01-05 10:42:56 PM

doglover: "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest   farking purse owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.


I had this conversation with a worker at my Library's Circulation desk the other day:

"She said that chihuahua in her purse was a service dog.  Said it was a psychology service dog.  What does that even mean?"

Me: "It means, if we don't let her have that damn rat-dog in here, she's going to lose her schitt."

I am so damn tired of that schtick.  Dogs do not belong in purses, they are not fashion accessories, and for Fark's sake your desire to carry your fashion-accessory dog with you every-damn-where is not an illness of the type that entitles you to have a service animal.  Get a goddamn grip.
 
2013-01-05 10:45:17 PM

doglover: corq: FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.

Actually, what you have recently is a number of people getting bogus service dog licenses for $50 from a doctor without any central body verifying the dog is actually trained in any way.

Seeing eye dogs, police dogs, and bomb sniffers are all highly trained animals. "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.


This
 
2013-01-05 10:45:40 PM

sleeps in trees: I got an amazing service dog for my son. Tons of money and training but worth it. He's going blind after 3 years so we are training a service dog for my service dog. It's mental.


Dude, get the dog a service monkey. Put a saddle on the dog, a cowboy hat on the monkey, and it'll be adorable.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:05 PM
Two points:

1) The growing number of internet certifications for service animals will dilute the valuable work these dogs do for people who truly need them. I know of one case where an owner got their old dog the certification so the dog could fly in the cabin of the plane instead of in a crate in the hold. Pure abuse of the system.

2) Hate to make it political, but this points directly to the states rights vs federal rights quandary. The next four years will bring this to the fore as GOP-governed states try to separate themselves more and more from the Obama led federal government (see recent Kansas moves).
 
2013-01-05 10:46:08 PM
Service dogs OK, attacks dogs not OK.
Service revolvers OK, assault rifles not OK.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:51 PM

emersonbiggins: Here's a pic of my service dog, Smiley:

[nosmokeandmirrors.files.wordpress.com image 350x414]


lol, service with a smile and 86 stitches
 
2013-01-05 10:49:57 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: "She said that chihuahua in her purse was a service dog. Said it was a psychology service dog. What does that even mean?"

Me: "It means, if we don't let her have that damn rat-dog in here, she's going to lose her schitt."


And me: "Oh, I'm sorry ma'am, I didn't know you are retarded. Of course it's welcome here! IT'S OKAY EVERYONE, SHE'S RETARDED. IT'S A SERVICE DOG FOR RETARDS. GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS NOTHING TO SEE HERE EXCEPT A RETARD AND HER RETARD SERVICE DOG!"
 
2013-01-05 10:51:35 PM

maddermaxx: .ialdabaoth: doglover: corq: FTA Florida seems to like them just fine. Uninformed establishments being ignorent of the law, notsomuch.

What you have however, are places who are terrified of health code violations and are more familiar with the enforcement of them than the service animal provisions.

Actually, what you have recently is a number of people getting bogus service dog licenses for $50 from a doctor without any central body verifying the dog is actually trained in any way.

Seeing eye dogs, police dogs, and bomb sniffers are all highly trained animals. "Emotional support dogs" are just chihuahuas in a vest owned by soccer moms who want to bring them into restaurants and onto planes.

Unfortunately, here's how wealth works.

If you don't have a central licensing body, then you have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes.

If you DO have a central licensing body, then you STILL have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes, because they know how connections work and how to manipulate them. What you manage to do, though, is prevent a bunch of poor ass kids from getting seeing-eye dogs, because they DON'T have those connections.

Regulation always hurts the poor. Deregulation always hurts the poor. Reregulation always hurts the poor. Rederegulation always hurts the poor.

fark the poor.

You sound cynical.

Or perhaps even Jaded.


I'm just sore tired.
 
2013-01-05 10:52:10 PM

OregonVet: Benevolent Misanthrope: "She said that chihuahua in her purse was a service dog. Said it was a psychology service dog. What does that even mean?"

Me: "It means, if we don't let her have that damn rat-dog in here, she's going to lose her schitt."

And me: "Oh, I'm sorry ma'am, I didn't know you are retarded. Of course it's welcome here! IT'S OKAY EVERYONE, SHE'S RETARDED. IT'S A SERVICE DOG FOR RETARDS. GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS NOTHING TO SEE HERE EXCEPT A RETARD AND HER RETARD SERVICE DOG!"


I'm telling you! FULL. OF. ORGANS.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:01 PM
I heard something about emotional support miniature horses as "service" animals. This shiat has completely gone out of control. Little horses and dogs in the main cabin of an aircraft now...I guess we need to go full retard and embrace (douche) Adam Carolla's service pelican idea.
 
2013-01-05 10:55:31 PM
I love dogs. But if my dog can eat your "dog" in one bite you don't own a dog, you own a large rat.
 
2013-01-05 10:58:04 PM
Here's the core problem: there is no legal penalty for lying and saying that a certain animal is a service animal when it isn't. Many people take their poorly trained animals into restaurants and other places that they shouldn't be, and just claim it's a service animal. It's quite easy to tell from the behavior of both the animal and the person if an animal is a service creature or just a pet, but a business owner or employee faces only problems if they try to do something about it. I have two points I'd like to put forward.
1. If an animal is a service animal, I believe that wearing a small vest identifying it as a service animal is an acceptable requirement. This is not labeling people, this is not 'making them stick out', this is identifying that the animal is 'working' or 'training' and isn't there to play.
I believe there should be a legal penalty for lying about an animal being a service creature. Unfortunately the lack of integrated mental health care in this country would make this difficult to implement due to 50 stats with 50 different standards of mental health care.
 
2013-01-05 11:02:41 PM

El Brujo: I heard something about emotional support miniature horses as "service" animals. This shiat has completely gone out of control. Little horses and dogs in the main cabin of an aircraft now...I guess we need to go full retard and embrace (douche) Adam Carolla's service pelican idea.


I need a service pelican that eats like a stoned Mike August
 
2013-01-05 11:04:26 PM
1) Emotional Support Dogs are NOT service animals.
2) It's not too much to ask to have the dog wear a blue vest.


Had some post office drone throw out a lady with a service dog. I talked to her and told her that service dogs are allowed like it Says On the Front Door. When she refused I asked for her name. She said; "I'm Ms. You dont need to know my name"

Jerks are Jerks. wether you are disabled or not, they are still jerks.

Including the lady who wanted to bring her "emotional support weasel" on the plane. I kid you not.
Is the world crazy or do I just atract them.

www.tenzo.org
 
2013-01-05 11:06:27 PM

Securitywyrm: Here's the core problem: there is no legal penalty for lying and saying that a certain animal is a service animal when it isn't. Many people take their poorly trained animals into restaurants and other places that they shouldn't be, and just claim it's a service animal. It's quite easy to tell from the behavior of both the animal and the person if an animal is a service creature or just a pet, but a business owner or employee faces only problems if they try to do something about it. I have two points I'd like to put forward.
1. If an animal is a service animal, I believe that wearing a small vest identifying it as a service animal is an acceptable requirement. This is not labeling people, this is not 'making them stick out', this is identifying that the animal is 'working' or 'training' and isn't there to play.
I believe there should be a legal penalty for lying about an animal being a service creature. Unfortunately the lack of integrated mental health care in this country would make this difficult to implement due to 50 stats with 50 different standards of mental health care.


Sooo many people have 'service' dogs in florida it is a little ridiculous. Service dogs should be vested, leashed and have certification.
 
2013-01-05 11:08:49 PM

elffster: They better not touch my service Aardvark...


I would pay good money to see a service aardvark.
 
2013-01-05 11:09:21 PM
I am of course fine with service animals because im not a (total) asshole, but just playing devils advocate...

Allergies and asthma are also covered under the ADA. Im slightly allergic to dogs (have a hypoallergenic one, still need a claratin some days), but im VERY allergic to cats, like my eyes water so much i cant see, hives, itching.... from hugging my fiancee after she got a ride home from work in the car of a coworker who has cats. Now if i were that allergic to dogs, what about my rights if i were seated on a plane with a blind person with a service dog?
 
2013-01-05 11:09:33 PM

El Brujo: I heard something about emotional support miniature horses as "service" animals. This shiat has completely gone out of control. Little horses and dogs in the main cabin of an aircraft now...I guess we need to go full retard and embrace (douche) Adam Carolla's service pelican idea.


Service Horses are usually used in situations where a Dog isn't workable, for instance a disabled person who is allergic to dogs. In most cases a dog is superior and they are almost always recommended over a horse. About the only thing they have over dogs is that a properly cared for mini horse will live about twice as long as a dog will.
 
2013-01-05 11:10:17 PM
www.pawesome.net
 
2013-01-05 11:15:03 PM

ialdabaoth: Unfortunately, here's how wealth works.

If you don't have a central licensing body, then you have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes.

If you DO have a central licensing body, then you STILL have soccer moms bringing their chihuahuas into restaurants and onto planes, because they know how connections work and how to manipulate them. What you manage to do, though, is prevent a bunch of poor ass kids from getting seeing-eye dogs, because they DON'T have those connections.

Regulation always hurts the poor. Deregulation always hurts the poor. Reregulation always hurts the poor. Rederegulation always hurts the poor.

fark the poor.


Basically. Plus people should be a little careful to judge/confront who they think may or may not need a service dog. Someone might be legally blind but still have some vision. Some deaf people have service dogs- last time I checked you can't tell if someone is deaf by looking at them. Other people might just have diseases where they are okay some of the time but after a day out and about become very weak and need their dog to pull their wheelchair home.

Lastly, there really are dogs that are trained to detect glucose levels or oncoming seizures and they might not be Golden Retrievers or German Shepherds.

I am sure that there are a TON of people abusing the system, but in reality that is the price we have to pay so that other people have the rights that they deserve.

Also, to the people who want to claim their dog is a service dog so they can take them places: Why? You know the people you are hurting are actual disabled people who need a dog to help them, right? And you know that there are a TON of places where you are allowed or encouraged to take your dog with you, right? Like parks, sidewalks, garden/lumber stores (often, but check first), pet stores. I get so paranoid at Home Depot that someone is going to run over my dog's tail with a shopping cart that I only go on weekday nights, I don't know what people are thinking when they take their dog to Walmart.
 
2013-01-05 11:17:32 PM

jtown: sleeps in trees: I got an amazing service dog for my son. Tons of money and training but worth it. He's going blind after 3 years so we are training a service dog for my service dog. It's mental.

Dude, get the dog a service monkey. Put a saddle on the dog, a cowboy hat on the monkey, and it'll be adorable.


Actually his best bud is a pigeon, if I could figure how to link an iPhone pic I would. They sleep together.

I need an IT service dog.
 
2013-01-05 11:17:35 PM
A state that's outlawed peanut butter?

/high five, right here
 
2013-01-05 11:21:21 PM
Service wasp nest
 
2013-01-05 11:23:12 PM
As a puppy raiser for a service dog organization....

Service animals and guide animals are protected under federal law. therapy animals, emotional animals, companion and therapeutic assistance animals are NOT protected under federal law.

Federal law allows you to ask two questions:
Is this animal a service animal?
What is it trained to do?

A person with a service animal can readily and easily answer both questions, without hesitation (unless communication is their disability). Soccer moms, fakers, etc. will often botch, bluff, hem/haw, or otherwise be unable to coherently answer those two simple questions. (Some will, however, be very well trained to answer them. They are scum, but... all you can do is ask those two questions.)

If you do not get an acceptable answer, you may decline to allow the person and animal to enter. They may threaten, cajole, shout, or make a scene. In my experience, people with true service animals tend to remain pretty calm, ask to speak to managers, and/or simply leave, and deal with the situation at a higher (corporate phone call) level.

Service animal or not, you may request the person leave if the animal is sick, threatening to others, disruptive, etc..

The only service animals covered by Federal law are dogs, and in limited exceptions, miniature horses. Cats, parrots, snakes, monkeys, etc. are NOT legally recognized service animals.

Sadly, however, for the program of raising and providing service animals to those who need them, service animals-in-training are NOT protected by Federal laws. While I work to take my puppy-in-training to as many places as possible, so he will be prepared to be a guide dog, he can be denied entry, because he is not a service dog (yet). Most places that allow service dogs will allow dogs in training (hurrah), but they don't have to. So far, in Dutch's 13 months, only one place turned him away. We simply said "okay" and left, and took out business elsewhere, where he is welcomed, and sometimes, treated like a local celebrity.

Link to my dog's facebook page, if you would like to "like" him. Dutch the GDA Pup
 
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