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(Daily Mail)   The flu tsunami has hit America. Open your mouth wide for the doctor and see if you're infected. If you were not vaccinated... well then, Buh bye   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-05 03:24:55 PM  
9 votes:

St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.


I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.
2013-01-05 03:08:54 PM  
9 votes:
Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.
2013-01-05 07:25:34 PM  
4 votes:

AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.


I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.
2013-01-06 12:06:31 PM  
3 votes:
I got this year's flu shot. I work in a hospital.
My wife got the flu. I did not. We shared drinks and food while she was sick.

Yes, I got sick for two days after getting the shot, though.
Diarrhea, aching joints, headache.
But only two days. I attributed it to the vaccine because the area where I got the shot hurt first and spread.

Two days versus two weeks?
I'll take the two days. By all means, state your 'I think this and that but the flu vaccine doesn't work.'
I'll take the vaccine. Most places it's free, too. So what's your excuse?

The flu has different strains. The strains mutate. You can get one vaccine and still get the flu. That's because there's different strains of flu, like I just said. To be fair to say that 1/4th of those that got the shot doesn't mean the shot is ineffective or only works a three quarters of the time. There's so many flu mutations out there. They pretty much best guess which vaccine they use. Did those that got the flu, test the strain in a lab to see which strain they got, compared to the vaccine they got?
Derp derp. Logic hurts.

SO YES.
With a bit of luck the flu vaccine does work.
By no means does it mean 1/4th the people who get the vaccine end up getting sick anyway. If you get the shot then get sick, it does not reflect the effectiveness of the flu vaccine.

It could be a different different strain.
So settle down. This is science. Get your shot.
2013-01-06 12:32:22 AM  
3 votes:

Amos Quito: Nice footwork, BronyMedic.


So because I point out that uninformed and uneducated idiots like yourself, who turns it into a discussion about "personal freedom" when they realize that the science and legal framework don't make your claims even close to real, use fearmongering and misinformation to encourage people not to vaccinate themselves and their children, and that for a herd immunity effect to occur making flu infection among vaccinated people highly unlikely, the uptake has to be 80%, you take from that I support jackbooted thugs marching in and forcing everyone, regardless of their medical ability to take a vaccine or not, to get it?

You're either a psychic, in which case you need to apply to the James Randi foundation for their million dollar prize, or a disingenious hack. I wonder which is more likely to be the case.

At any rate, you're the only person that has argued a flu vaccination is supposed to make you immune from the flu. No drug company does this. No legitimate researcher or physician does this. No one who took high school biology does this.

If you want to know my personal opinion on the matter rather than place words in my mouth and build strawmen to argue from, I think you're a selfish bastard for not taking a vaccine you are eligable for and that is safe and effective, and both reducing the chances of you getting the virus, and spreading it to others which it most certainly can do grave harm in.

No, Amos. You were wrong. I know it's painful, but you can either admit it and move on, or continue to be a snarky douchebag while defending the indefensible, and try to turn it from a "BUT BUT VACCINES ARE SAFE AND UNEFFECTIVE AND PROFIT GAMBIT FOR PHARMA DERP" debate into a "X WANTS TO NAZI INTO YOUR HOME AND MAKE YOU DO Y" debate.
2013-01-05 11:24:02 PM  
3 votes:

BillyRayBob: BronyMedic. Big Pharma called and says your check is in the mail.
/you're not a Doctor, you just play one on TV
/ lighten up. This is FARK, Not WebMD.


You're right, I'm not a doctor. I've never claimed to be one. The people I link to, on the other hand, are actual researchers and physicians who know far more than you.

You're not even a good troll if that's your excuse. You suck at it.

/You altie idiots love labeling anyone who disagrees with you as big pharma shills when you have nothing else to go on.

Amos Quito: So, you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that if some enlightened dictator could FORCE 100% (or at least 80%) of the US population to get "the jab", that the entire country would be completely and entirely immune from the flu, and that we could frolic about our parks, shopping malls and subways without a care in the world?

Is that what you're saying?


(sarcasm)Yea, that's exactly what I said. I'm so proud of you for overcoming your obvious learning disabilities and interpreting my hidden meanings from that small blurb I posted, Amos.(/sarcams)

Reading comprehension is something you have extreme difficulty with, isn't it?

noethics.net
2013-01-05 07:42:48 PM  
3 votes:
"I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40
2013-01-05 07:40:32 PM  
3 votes:
Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.
2013-01-05 05:38:15 PM  
3 votes:

coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?


Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.
2013-01-05 03:30:39 PM  
3 votes:

verbal_jizm: St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.

I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.


Mine is uneducated, but effective in its barbaric way.
2013-01-06 03:15:15 AM  
2 votes:

angiemama: Does your hospital make flu vax mandatory for you in order to keep your job? Mine does. Just curious.


Yeah, they run mass vaccination clinics in August and September at all the hospitals in the system for the AM and PM shifts. The system is logged by your badge swipe so there's no getting out of it. The only people who are exempt from it are people with a documented history of allergic reaction to the vaccine or a component or someone who's had Guillian-Barre syndrome in the past.

Weaver95: is it possible to build up immunity to this strain early? I got hit with a particularly horrific attack last year and it knocked me for a loop for damn near a month.  doc said it as flu, monitored it for a bit, then I recovered.  this year tho, so far (knock on wood) i've been largely immune to the bug that's going around.  I've been directly exposed and didn't catch it.


It's impossible to build up complete immunity from the flu. It's one of the fastest-changing viruses known to mankind, and is able to alter it's protein coat and immunogenic antigens rapidly. It's the reason you need a new flu vaccine variant every year - the virus that travels from Asia to the West will be completely different than the one the previous year, and even the specific phenotypes of viruses are completely different in terms of antibody-antigen interaction.
2013-01-06 12:56:03 AM  
2 votes:
I must have gotten this year's virulent strain.

There's been a lot of people sick and they seem to report the same symptoms I had, namely a sore throat, a really killer cough, lethargy, some headache, but very little in the way of head or lung congestion (except towards the end). I got sick on December 19 and spent three days in bed, postponed my Christmas travel by a day and was coughing constantly all through the holidays. In fact, I still have that tickle in my throat and the urge to cough, so I'm not completely over it 18 days later. Reports suggest this is also a common symptom.

I had my flu shot good and early but they only vaccinate against three strains, which are picked about a year or so before the shots go out based on early data from Asia and Oceania. You win some, you lose some.

I lost ten pounds during the three days I spent in bed not eating very much more than an occasional snack. It wasn't a very miserable case but the cough was incredible and I just didn't feel like doing anything--not feverish or congested but just not in the mood to do anything.

Usually I take a lot of vitamin C, some aspirin and some anti-histamines when I have a cold or the flu but the Night and Day capsules my Mother gave me worked well and I only had to take two a day so I bought some more today. And Halls. You really have to control that cough and cough medicine doesn't work for me because I don't believe in it.

You really shouldn't rely on your immune system if you are at risk. Although flu shots are free in Ontario, I voluntarily pay about $25 for them from a Quebec clinic that comes to my work place because I can get them without taking half a day off and because I can get them before the Doctor will give them to people not in the high risk categories.

35,000 Americans die of flu-related complications each normal flu season, and in a bad year it can be 70,000 easily. This seems to be a more than usual infectious and dangerous strain. You never know when it might mutate. Doctors fear the coming of the next Spanish Flu type epidemic and because they seem to be proven wrong doesn't mean that they aren't going to be right one day. Like earthquakes and hurricanes and other rare events, they have to be over-cautious to be cautious enough. It's a shame that people don't understand propability and mass psychology enough to know that the authorities have to take every season seriously for fear of being seriously unprepared maybe one time in thirty or a hundred, just as cops have to follow up on bomb threats and ambulance drivers and firemen have to answer every emergency call, even though they know that quite a few will prove to be minor or hoaxes or just over-reactions.

Sometimes I feel like I'm malingering when I stay home because I feel like shiat when I get up, but sometimes, like this time, you really have something that's worse than you expect. By staying away from work three days and by travelling one day late, I probably avoided exposing everybody I met while I was most likely to trasmit the disease. With colds and the flu, you are most infectious for at least a day before you get hit by the symptoms and for several days following.

Better to jump the gun than be under heavy fire unprepared. About one third of colds are asymptomatic--you don't even know you are sick, but think you are just tired or down. That's how they get even the most careful people--they blindside them.

Be prepared, be cautious and do your best not to be a vector of disease in your pride and false confidence. That's all you can do in an epidemic.

I'm vulnerable to respiratory problems because of my history of chronic bronchitis, asthma, allergies, and lingering lung infections after the cold or the flu, so I worry about complications such as pneumonia, the big killer in cases of the flu. But even people without risk factors such as these, extreme youth or extreme old age, immune deficiency problems, etc., can be felled suddenly and unexpectedly, so caution is essential.

Don't fool yourself. Not getting sick doesn't mean that you are immune or safe. As computer virus experts say, "obscurity is not security". Apple fanboys should know that their computers are just as vulnerable to hackers as PCs, they're simply not as big a target because there aren't so many of them and they don't form the backbone of commerce the way PCs do.

The thing about being careful is that you are protecting the herd as well as yourself. Because I get the flu shots, my entire work team and family are safer. If enough people get the vaccinations and avoid contracting or spreading the flu, it can make a world of difference even for the vulnerable or the careless.
2013-01-06 12:53:54 AM  
2 votes:

wingedkat: Yeah, people just don't take the flu seriously anymore.


It's never serious unless you end up on V/A ECMO for the flu.


www.hksccm.org
2013-01-06 12:20:41 AM  
2 votes:

gobstopping: verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.

Yep. I get a common cold here and there (dry scratchy throat, congestion, fatigue), but I almost never get the flu. I've probably had the flu once every 5 or 6 years. There was only one time I got the flu bad enough that it lasted a few days and left me shivering on the couch.

/unvaccinated


Hate to burst your bubble, but chances are you've had the flu a number of times over that period and helpfully shared it with other people who got a hell of a lot sicker than you. Both flu and cold are viral infections of the respiratory system, and so cause similar symptoms, especially at first. The most basic symptoms are the body's initial reaction to the presence of a virus, and are basically the same.

The main difference is that the flu viruses are capable of causing actual tissue damage, which results in more serious symptoms such as high fever, chills, sweats, and pneumonia. Most cold viruses don't actually damage the cells they infect, so even a major infection will only trigger the basic immune response.

If you get a flu virus but are able to fight it off quickly, you may never accumulate the cell damage that triggers the severe symptoms and it may seem like "just a cold".

References:
flu facts
Understanding the symptoms of the common cold and influenza
2013-01-06 12:08:02 AM  
2 votes:
I had the flu once. I was a child with chicken pox. Somehow I don't really recall the flu being all that bad---maybe a little vomiting and diarrhea, but not much worse than colds I've had before.

Guess I never understood how the flu got so violent for some people. I've never once been vaccinated for it, and I've never had it since I was 6 years old.

Also, what's with that extraordinarily low # of people with the flu? 2,200 people hospitalized is dangerous? 18 dead is something to panic over? Somehow I'm not bothered by any of this.

/have some chicken soup, some gingerale, and stick a little trashcan by your bed with some paper towels
2013-01-05 10:46:57 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.

I haven't caught flu in 25 years. My immune system is great on flu.

Sinus infections....not so much but better in recent years.


Get yourself a humidifier. I used to get a bunch of sinus infections every winter. No more. Your snot is your first line of defense against infection but it only works when wet.
2013-01-05 09:54:04 PM  
2 votes:
The only people sure to be immune from the flu are elementary schoolteachers. After 20 years of getting breathed on, sneezed on, and puked on by countless hordes of little brats, they are immune to anything. I know at least a dozen, and they are NEVER ill. They'll be the only ones to survive if we're attacked by a biowarfare agent. In fact, if you know a grade school teacher and she/he is sick with flu, stay far away and get your shots, because they've got some kind of superbug that's bound to kill you if you get it.
2013-01-05 09:46:21 PM  
2 votes:

AbiNormal: Got the flu 26 years ago and it very nearly killed me. Haven't had to worry about a flu shot since; haven't even had a cold since.


Most people get a bad cold and think it's the flu. They're wrong. I had the first recorded case of influenza-A in Libby, Montana. At first I was sure it would kill me. Then I was afraid it wouldn't. I haven't had a flu shot since. If that farker can't kill me, nothing can. I haven't had more than the sniffles since.
2013-01-05 09:45:40 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?

Do you actually read the stuff you post, or do you just link it. I think you did the later. Because that's not actually true.

FTFA: Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Court was set up in the 1980s to screen claims of vaccine injury for legitimacy and ensure that children who were legitimately injured by a vaccine side effect recieve fair compensation. The level of scrutany and legitimacy/acceptance by science at large for scientific and medical evidence is FAR less than an actual legal court would require, and it's far easier to win a verdict there than in a civil trial. However, several law firms have filed massive class action lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers outside of this, in direct violation of your claim, since then. Most have been claims that their child's autism was caused by a vaccine or adjuvant, which is in direct contradiction to all existing research on the topic.

So yes. People like you, with misinformed and ill-researched opinions and baseless fear mongering ARE to blame for poor vaccine uptake in the United States.



There are 300 million Americans.

40% of these (120 million) have had "the jab", and this "protected" population subset represents 25% of all flu cases confirmed so far this year.

Am I "to blame" for these cases?

Should I feel bad?
2013-01-05 09:45:08 PM  
2 votes:

BillyRayBob: These are the first three comments in this thread that admit to getting the Flu shot:

Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.

I have it now. Fever, aches, congestion, general misery. On day 2 alone. Husband, who NEVER gets sick for more than a day, has had it for a week and is just coming out of it. We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

I had something awful in mid-December as well. I had the flu shot, but only a few days before this happened, so I don't know if it was in full force yet, but I was quite ill thank you very much.

These people had the Flu Shot and got the Flu. But it had to be a fluke, right? GAAAA! Sheep to the slaughter.

I had both the Oral and Injection Polio Vaccines. And STILL GOT POLIO. But I don't have the Flu. EVAR!


Or it could be the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, and that the flu shot doesn't make you immune to the flu below herd immunity levels, rather it decreases the severity and length of illness, and the chances of getting it.

Vaccine failure and failure of uptake are real phenomenons, and challenges that researchers face in developing yearly vaccines.
2013-01-05 09:27:06 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?


Do you actually read the stuff you post, or do you just link it. I think you did the later. Because that's not actually true.

FTFA: Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Court was set up in the 1980s to screen claims of vaccine injury for legitimacy and ensure that children who were legitimately injured by a vaccine side effect recieve fair compensation. The level of scrutany and legitimacy/acceptance by science at large for scientific and medical evidence is FAR less than an actual legal court would require, and it's far easier to win a verdict there than in a civil trial. However, several law firms have filed massive class action lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers outside of this, in direct violation of your claim, since then. Most have been claims that their child's autism was caused by a vaccine or adjuvant, which is in direct contradiction to all existing research on the topic.

So yes. People like you, with misinformed and ill-researched opinions and baseless fear mongering ARE to blame for poor vaccine uptake in the United States.
2013-01-05 07:54:15 PM  
2 votes:
Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.

Really though, it's all about the kids. They're the ones most likely to acquire, and transmit the flu. Vaccinate 100% of the kids, and you will dramatically reduce incidence among the general population, regardless of how many adults are vaccinated.
2013-01-05 07:41:13 PM  
2 votes:
He's coming for you, Larry. The Man With No Face!
2013-01-05 07:39:46 PM  
2 votes:
About 127 million doses of flu vaccine have been distributed this year from the 15 million doses produced for this season.

Maths.
2013-01-05 07:38:18 PM  
2 votes:
Copious amounts of vodak is as good as a flu shot, right?
2013-01-05 07:36:02 PM  
2 votes:
I AM THE MEDIA AND I REQUIRE FEARMONGERING FOR MORE VIEWS ALSO DID I MENTION SWINE FLU EPIDEMIC YOU ALL DIED FROM THAT REMEMBER
2013-01-05 05:42:37 PM  
2 votes:
Since I have a Mac, I shouldn't get the Virus.

/Thank you almighty Steve Jobs
2013-01-05 05:32:36 PM  
2 votes:

ToxicMunkee: I read a story yesterday about a 17-year-old who died from complications of the flu. That complication? A staph infection on top of pneumonia. Gah.


That's why you NEVER go to the hospital.
2013-01-05 04:38:24 PM  
2 votes:
Influenza turned my vaccinated fever-cooked spouse into a zombie.  She couldn't even remember her own name.  (She couldn't walk either, so my brains were spared.)

/got better
//this time
2013-01-06 11:20:34 PM  
1 vote:

Frederick: I'm ok with quackery.  I believe there is some benefit to homeopathy.  Similar to there being benefit from placebos.  I also believe there can be benefits to homeopathic remedies that are not yet understood.  Snake oil salesmen should be called out as such, but I'd hate to see them outlawed.  Thats my position.


Problem is, it isn't just harmless, if anyone relies on it instead of real medicine, delays getting qualified medical treatment by trying "alternative" therapies first, or believing any crazy claims about legitimate medical practices. Easy example: People not getting their kids vaccinated because of the claims of Jenny McCarthy and her allies.


Frederick: Isildur: Isildur: medica

Medical, even. =P

Heh, I thought you had just schooled me on some latin plural term for medicine.  :-|


Hahah, nah. Any use of raw Latin was purely accidental.
2013-01-06 01:04:05 PM  
1 vote:

Nmissi: We all got the flu shot this year. My youngest got the flu the day Christmas break started. He was deathly ill for about a week; still coughing. His brother got it the day after Christmas; he's still feverish, but feeling pretty decent otherwise- no bad aches, and his asthma hasn't kicked up. Tamiflu might have done some good there. I didn't get the Tamiflu; I got sick the day after Christmas, and yesterday was the first day I've spent under 102. I felt good enough to go to the grocery (for more gingerale and tissues). Unfortunately, my body was lying to me, which I found out after they picked me up off the floor in front of the registers. That's right; I faceplanted at the Meijer's; just passed right the f*** out on the damn floor. Am now hiding at home in my pajamas, afraid to trust myself. I THINK I'm okay; I feel pretty good, really- the shakes and fever seem to have stopped, the aching is minimal. But I'm afraid to do too much yet, after yesterday.


Oh you poor thing. Its pretty much the same story here. Except I havent passed out - yet. I have to go back to grad school tomorrow though. Im a tad nervous.
2013-01-06 11:54:40 AM  
1 vote:

Gawdzila: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it

I immediately discount anything a self-professed homeopath says.
Anyone who believes in the operating principles of homeopathy is incapable of logic or reason.


Generally, so do I. But what he said made a weird kind of sense. AND I'd been having flu, and colds, every farking year WHILE taking annual flu shots. So there was really no down-side in doing what he suggested (not getting the flu shots). It apparently worked, so there's that.....
2013-01-06 09:53:35 AM  
1 vote:
We all got the flu shot this year. My youngest got the flu the day Christmas break started. He was deathly ill for about a week; still coughing. His brother got it the day after Christmas; he's still feverish, but feeling pretty decent otherwise- no bad aches, and his asthma hasn't kicked up. Tamiflu might have done some good there. I didn't get the Tamiflu; I got sick the day after Christmas, and yesterday was the first day I've spent under 102. I felt good enough to go to the grocery (for more gingerale and tissues). Unfortunately, my body was lying to me, which I found out after they picked me up off the floor in front of the registers. That's right; I faceplanted at the Meijer's; just passed right the f*** out on the damn floor. Am now hiding at home in my pajamas, afraid to trust myself. I THINK I'm okay; I feel pretty good, really- the shakes and fever seem to have stopped, the aching is minimal. But I'm afraid to do too much yet, after yesterday.
2013-01-06 07:39:22 AM  
1 vote:

p the boiler: Sorry if laughing at your pain makes me smile, but damn it is funny.


It's the funny that makes it tolerable, even two years on.  If I couldn't laugh at it I wouldn't have told the story in the first place.

When my wife got to the hospital with "replacement clothes" she wanted to know what the medical staff did with the cashmere sweater I was wearing, since it was her Christmas present to me.  By the time she got there my clothes were long gone as they were covered in either shiat or vomit, or both.  They had been discarded by the paramedics or the ER staff for good reason.  I was out of it for the next 20 hours, but when I got back to reality my nurse suggested that I tell my wife the sweater was "irreparably damaged" when they put me in the ambulance.

Translation:  there was so much shiat and vomit on it that it wasn't worth saving.  To this day, my wife doesn't understand how you can manage to get shiat on your shirt.  I hope she never has to learn the hard way.

I was only in the hospital for two days, but I heard "the metro guy" four times while I was in.  Truly a humbling experience.
2013-01-06 04:58:47 AM  
1 vote:
Settle down. The math cited above indicates that the flu shot may not be effective. If 40% of people got the flu, and 25% of people who got the flu had the shot, then there is a 15% margin of people who seemed to have benefited (which is something like 35% of those with the shot). However, correlation is not causation and we would expect people who bother to get a flu shot to have more sanitary habits than those who do not, so the question is, what was the real benefit of the shot? Not very good at all maybe.

This has little to do with vaccinations in general though; few people argue that polio vaccine is not effective, because the math says it does!
2013-01-06 03:04:21 AM  
1 vote:
Hopefully I already had it--- in May. All four of us ended up with pneumonia. Since it wan't during peak season, I never gave it that much thought, but it was probably the shiat that floats around killing people.
2013-01-06 02:21:31 AM  
1 vote:
The hubby and son got sick on Christmas, I got it a week ago. Started with a tickle in the throat and then hit hard in the lungs. So tired I couldnt even play WoW. Just spent hours on the poli tab.

This is what we have found so far

DO - drink hot toddies
use a humidifier
stay warm
take aspirin or ibuprofen
drink lots of water
have lots of soup
sleep with your upper chest elevated
get lots of rest
apply a heating pad to your chest
talk someone into giving you a back rub

DONT - eat dairy
2013-01-06 01:40:12 AM  
1 vote:

Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.


You should at least get a tetanus shot every decade. It would suck to die from a staple puncturing your thumb. Everything else I'll give you; in 10 years I've documented that I've always been sicker when I get the flu shot than when not, plus you're guaranteed at least a flu-lite after the shot whether you get the flu or not.
2013-01-06 01:21:46 AM  
1 vote:
is it possible to build up immunity to this strain early?  I got hit with a particularly horrific attack last year and it knocked me for a loop for damn near a month.  doc said it as flu, monitored it for a bit, then I recovered.  this year tho, so far (knock on wood) i've been largely immune to the bug that's going around.  I've been directly exposed and didn't catch it.
2013-01-06 01:13:22 AM  
1 vote:
I got influenza-A last year. Sunday night I just suddenly came down with an airy-cough, by Tuesday I had a temperature of over 101 and was at the doctors with chills, severe fatigue, pounding head ache, muscle aches, you name it. I was so sick my sister had to help me off the floor because I didn't have the energy to do so after sitting down to put my shoes on. I went into the doctor and she told me "No one gets the flu this late in the year." It was February. She sent me down for testing just in case and sure enough, INFLUENZA. I got put on a bunch of different meds and my family did too so they wouldn't suffer as bad as I was if they came down with it too. A week later my Mom went back in to pick up some medication for me and there was a sign on the door stating. "If you have the following symptoms xxxxxxxxxx DO NOT COME INTO THE GENERAL WAITING ROOM."

A couple years ago I got the flu so bad I was bedridden for over a month. I almost passed out in the Best Buy bathroom and was thinking, if I pass out how long before someone finds me or my sister thinks to look for me? I couldn't even get out of bed and go downstairs to make myself toast without breaking into a sweat like I had just run a 20 mile marathon. Towards the I ended up in the ER for 10 hours with 2 IVs after I got severe tremors in my limbs.

I have auto-immune issues so I DREAD flu season. Hoping not to catch it this year and hoping I didn't just jinx myself.
2013-01-06 12:54:38 AM  
1 vote:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it


I immediately discount anything a self-professed homeopath says.
Anyone who believes in the operating principles of homeopathy is incapable of logic or reason.
2013-01-06 12:27:59 AM  
1 vote:

Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.


Up until about 15 years ago I religiously got flu shots every year.

And every year got cold after cold after cold, etc., throughout the year. And sometimes got the flu, to boot.

After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it, I said: (1) that sounds farking crazy, and then, after I thought a bit (2) what the hell, how much worse could it be? So I said fark it and decided to stop getting flu shots. Immediately got super flu and died and I'm now a zombie stopped getting constant colds. I now get maybe 2 mild colds a year, and have had flu ONCE in 15 years *though it was a doozy).
2013-01-06 12:27:59 AM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: So, you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that if some enlightened dictator could FORCE 100% (or at least 80%) of the US population to get "the jab", that the entire country would be completely and entirely immune from the flu, and that we could frolic about our parks, shopping malls and subways without a care in the world?

Is that what you're saying?


Not sure what BronyMedic is saying, but it worked for polio.

Also, it has been pretty effectively shown that vaccinating health care personnel reduces the chance of outbreaks in nursing homes. So, by vaccinating people who may not have shown symptoms and probably would not have died from it, they protected the people who most likely would have become sick and died. That is the point of immunization efforts, immunize everyone to help protect the people who are most vulnerable.

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2013-01-05 11:09:59 PM  
1 vote:
Right before Christmas break this ripped through the schools here. We're a tiny little district, but had close to 100 kids out on several consecutive days, with 20+ sent home in a day. And yeah, a bunch o' kids ended up with pneumonia.

It's a bad one.
2013-01-05 11:07:31 PM  
1 vote:

jaytkay: "I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40


Yea I love that too. People telling me they have the flu, then one day later I see them at work. You know, functional and not shivering and sweating their ass off and so achey they can hardly move. Swearing up and down they'll NEVER get a flu shot again! I know that people can be asymptomatic or have lesser symptoms- but if these people are mistaking a cold for the flu and then deciding not to get the shot, they are going to be *really* unhappy when they actually get sick.

I have never had the flu. The worst I've ever had was Strep and it was not pleasant. I get a flu shot every year. If you have ever known someone who got the flu and then got pneumonia you would realize how the flu kills people and how much you do not want pneumonia.

Also, could they just do ONE Dateline or something about how the immune system actually works?
2013-01-05 11:00:06 PM  
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BronyMedic: giftedmadness: flu vaccines are a sham.
Goodfella: Flu shots are a scam.

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My flu shot was free at the clinic where I volunteer. How is this a scam?
2013-01-05 10:59:10 PM  
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Somacandra: clownyclownzomby: developed a bad case of gout in my right ankle

Tried daily guanefesin and lemonade/citrate supplements? Works well to keep my UA levels down, usually.


Normally have a glass of tart cherry juice and cider vinegar each morning.  Got behind when I was sick.  My girlfriend brought me some of what you suggested.....thanks! Hope it helps in any amount.  I'm miserable. At least I didn't soil myself like Lsherm. Poor bastard.
2013-01-05 10:52:49 PM  
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BronyMedic. Big Pharma called and says your check is in the mail.
/you're not a Doctor, you just play one on TV
/ lighten up. This is FARK, Not WebMD.
2013-01-05 10:20:41 PM  
1 vote:
My list of "anti-vaccine moran/trolls" who show up in red is certainly seeing an increased prevalence...
2013-01-05 10:10:26 PM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?

Do you actually read the stuff you post, or do you just link it. I think you did the later. Because that's not actually true.

FTFA: Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Court was set up in the 1980s to screen claims of vaccine injury for legitimacy and ensure that children who were legitimately injured by a vaccine side effect recieve fair compensation. The level of scrutany and legitimacy/acceptance by science at large for scientific and medical evidence is FAR less than an actual legal court would require, and it's far easier to win a verdict there than in a civil trial. However, several law firms have filed massive class action lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers outside of this, in direct violation of your claim, since then. Most have been claims that their child's autism was caused by a vaccine or adjuvant, which is in direct contradiction to all existing research on the topic.

So yes. People like you, with misinformed and ill-researched opinions and baseless fear mongering ARE to blame for poor vaccine uptake in the United States.


There are 300 million Americans.

40% of these (120 million) have had "the jab", and this "protected" population subset represents 25% of all flu cases confirmed so far this year.

Am I "to blame" for these cases?

Should I feel bad?


The herd immunity rate for the seasonal flu is around 80% vaccine uptake in a given population. Anything below that and there is enough of a resevour for the virus to spread like wildfire. It's the reason, for example, hospital and healthcare workers are required to get a vaccine for their continued employment.

Yes. People LIKE YOU are to blame, and yes, you should feel bad. You come onto a website, spout off about something that you have no clue about what you're talking about, and people see that information and get scared. They stop making risk vs. benefit judgements, and start panicing about the autisms, or something similar that renowned Epidemiologist Jenny McCarthy, Indigo Child and pHD warned you about.
2013-01-05 10:08:34 PM  
1 vote:
Get a big tall glass, fill half way with whiskey
fill the rest with boiling hot water
squeeze half of a lemon add the juice
drop in the whole other half of the lemon

/no microbe known to man stands a chance
2013-01-05 10:02:51 PM  
1 vote:
Got the shot. Got a strain of the flu a few months later, I'm guessing one of the strains that this years shot didn't cover. Have an autoimmune disease so it took me a full five weeks of symptoms to recover. Am now recovered, by which I mean I'm not running a fever or having intense aches anymore, but my lymph nodes are still swollen and I still have mild respiratory symptoms.

Hopefully this is the only time I'll catch it this winter.

/so glad I work from home and could still do my job, for the most part, while fighting off the death flu
//said death flu triggered a 7 day long migraine though, which was pretty unpleasant
2013-01-05 09:58:10 PM  
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I'm amused by the people saying they have the flu for a day or two because they had a clogged nose or coughing up stuff. That's not the flu and you are a moron. My mom is just getting over it. Had it for 4 weeks now. Was in bed for 3 weeks, a couple visits to ER with 103 temp. Was getting worried a little since she is generally unhealthy and almost 60 now.
2013-01-05 09:55:37 PM  
1 vote:

Somacandra: Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.


That's what I'm hearing from healthcare professionals where I live...that the vaccination wasn't effective with the strain that is going around. Two elderly folks in my hometown have died in the past couple of weeks. Sad.
2013-01-05 09:29:12 PM  
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I read that in our area what is going around is Influenza "b" strain and the flu shots in our state only included the Influenza "a" strain, therefore the widespread epidemic. I use roughly 3000 hours of labor in my place of business a week (big box retailer) and have had almost 400 hours of call-ins this week alone.
2013-01-05 09:26:01 PM  
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These are the first three comments in this thread that admit to getting the Flu shot:

Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.

I have it now. Fever, aches, congestion, general misery. On day 2 alone. Husband, who NEVER gets sick for more than a day, has had it for a week and is just coming out of it. We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

I had something awful in mid-December as well. I had the flu shot, but only a few days before this happened, so I don't know if it was in full force yet, but I was quite ill thank you very much.


These people had the Flu Shot and got the Flu. But it had to be a fluke, right? GAAAA! Sheep to the slaughter.

I had both the Oral and Injection Polio Vaccines. And STILL GOT POLIO. But I don't have the Flu. EVAR!
2013-01-05 09:25:21 PM  
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Snausages75: Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.

Very amusing.



Hey, no offense. You just worded your post in a way that made it sound like a warning, rather than a plea.

Lost my mom (many years ago) to brain cancer.

Actually, the brain cancer didn't kill her - it was a brain INFECTION caused by the farking biopsy to test for cancer.

Not that she wouldn't have died anyway - we all do eventually.

Right?
2013-01-05 09:24:02 PM  
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serpent_sky: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.


I had that, about the same time. Took about two weeks to burn off, only mine migrated to my sinuses. Two weeks of blood clots in my nasal passages, ick. Not the flu, but I think just a bad cold. I always get a sinus infection the first couple weeks of winter, but this was a little worse.
2013-01-05 09:20:44 PM  
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coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?


In adults a fever is more likely from flu than a cold. Muscle ache would cinch it, though.
2013-01-05 09:19:21 PM  
1 vote:
I banged Flew Tsunami once. She was you mother.
2013-01-05 09:18:51 PM  
1 vote:
The hospitals here are completely full and more than overflowing. We're treating in-patients on stretchers in the E.R., waiting rooms, and hallways. We're sending overflow ICU patients to PACU (has the equip and nurses have the know-how). It's a nightmare. I hope we collectively get over this soon.
2013-01-05 09:17:40 PM  
1 vote:
I got my flu shot early in fall, didn't even realize I barely experienced the flu until recently. I had a couple days of mild fatigue, muscle aches and a headache just after Christmas, then that was it. No fever. Even played with my snotty, sneezy little nieces on New Year's. Nothing.

Keen.
2013-01-05 09:17:15 PM  
1 vote:
verbal_jizm: I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.

My immune system was forged over several generations on a tropical island that gets millions of tourists per year from around the world.

// they make flu shots out of my white blood cells
2013-01-05 09:12:06 PM  
1 vote:

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it

Herd Immunity, how does it work?!?



Not very well, apparently.
2013-01-05 09:10:57 PM  
1 vote:

Icarus88: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.

I'm very sorry for your daughter's illness, but you're describing treatment for cancer, which has nothing to do with flu. While flu, if acquired by somebody with cancer may be more likely to be fatal, the discussion here has nothing to do with your daughter's unfortunate situation.

BTW, with regard to people getting sick from their first flu shot, it's not that they really get sick. It's that the immune system can be tricked into thinking there is an infection, so you get some of the same symptoms. But, no real infection exists, so while it may feel bad, it's not threatening in any way other than the inconvenience. There is a connection, it's just not an illness. Still sucks I'm sure, but the main issues remain. If you want to really battle flu for the population as a while, then work to get to a minimum 80% vaccination rate among children. Oh, and wash your hands, frequently. Anything else is a placebo for the populace.


Perhaps I am overestimating intelligence or underestimating trolling, but at no point did I say the flu was the reason for the treatment. I foolishly assumed that it would be understood that people with compromised immune systems would be concerned with a particularly bad flu season.

And thanks, jerk. I had no idea taking my mother to the oncologist meant she had cancer. I could have sworn it was the flu. Thank God for helpers like yourself.
2013-01-05 08:48:05 PM  
1 vote:

Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.


I'm very sorry for your daughter's illness, but you're describing treatment for cancer, which has nothing to do with flu. While flu, if acquired by somebody with cancer may be more likely to be fatal, the discussion here has nothing to do with your daughter's unfortunate situation.

BTW, with regard to people getting sick from their first flu shot, it's not that they really get sick. It's that the immune system can be tricked into thinking there is an infection, so you get some of the same symptoms. But, no real infection exists, so while it may feel bad, it's not threatening in any way other than the inconvenience. There is a connection, it's just not an illness. Still sucks I'm sure, but the main issues remain. If you want to really battle flu for the population as a while, then work to get to a minimum 80% vaccination rate among children. Oh, and wash your hands, frequently. Anything else is a placebo for the populace.
2013-01-05 08:46:13 PM  
1 vote:
Lsherm


I got Enterovirus a few years back. Same deal. Couldn't keep anything down, slowly got more and more dehydrated. After 3 days, my muscles started to seize up. My last voluntary act was to phone 911 and calling for an ambulance. By the time they got to the door, I couldn't move and told them to break it down. They had to carry me down to the gurney because I was completely seized up like a pretzel. Basically if I hadn't of called them I would have died. 2 days in. Lots and lots of money. My stomach wasn't right for about 5 years after...do not recommend. Best of luck to all you flu sufferers....
2013-01-05 08:40:50 PM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it


Herd Immunity, how does it work?!?

s2.postimage.org

/people like you are part of the problem, Amos.
2013-01-05 08:31:13 PM  
1 vote:

Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.



Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it
2013-01-05 08:27:10 PM  
1 vote:
As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.
2013-01-05 08:26:59 PM  
1 vote:

Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.
2013-01-05 08:22:43 PM  
1 vote:

Lsherm: AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.

I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


So much this. Except it nearly happened in front of my students when I was teaching. I missed getting my pants off by about two or three seconds. School principal arranged a pickup from the hospital around the corner. Spent a night hooked up to an IV and pampered by Japanese nurses.
2013-01-05 08:22:26 PM  
1 vote:
I definitely got the shot this year: my school has a high proportion of adult students, many of which bring their kids to campus and even occasionally to class. (we have a pretty nice child-care facility, but I think it closes at 6.)

The absolute last thing you need while studying is throwing up your guts. No thanks.
2013-01-05 08:07:45 PM  
1 vote:

Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


I was all amused at learning a friend of mine shiat+puked herself in a subway, then I realized same area/similar name/but you're a guy.

www.crazy-and-funny-pictures.com
2013-01-05 08:06:07 PM  
1 vote:

Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


There are a few strains going around and people that get the flu vaccine are often in a higher risk group than those that don't.  So that can skew the statistics a bit...
2013-01-05 08:04:45 PM  
1 vote:
My record of flu after being vaccinated is perfect. I always catch it. I keep hoping that the extensive immune system training plus this year's vaccine will one or the other help. Honestly it's gotten less horrible and more like a bad cold over the years, to the point I was surprise to find this doesn't happen to all people.
2013-01-05 08:03:56 PM  
1 vote:

verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.


Not always, I've seen cases where patients have been hospitalized with pneumonia and tested positive with flu with only a low grade fever, your sinus are probably a better sign if it's a flu or a cold if a high fever is absent. Cold are upper respiratory so if you are mostly have stuffed up sinuses it's normally the cold. Flu tends to be lower respiratory so soar throat, dry coughs, fevers and fatigue are common, plus the symptoms last longer, weeks instead of days.

You never really know if you have the flu unless you actually get tested.
2013-01-05 08:02:12 PM  
1 vote:
I've had it all week. I'm feeling better, but still coughing up tons of mucus and getting exhausted if I try to do anything. It's nasty. I had the shot a couple of months ago, guess it didn't work.
2013-01-05 07:58:22 PM  
1 vote:
I once managed to catch pneumonia on top of bronchitis.  At one point I was down to one lung, because righty was completely filled with fluid.  Ever since then, I've never gotten sick aside from food poisoning.  Nine years disease free and counting, now.
2013-01-05 07:51:34 PM  
1 vote:
Not sure if it's the flu, per se, but I've had something on me for a few weeks now. Body aches and massive fatigue, ear infection, lungs feel like they're working at half capacity. No fever to speak of or any outward signs of illness, save for the occasional sneeze. Whatever it is, I wish it'd go away. I'd almost rather be bed-ridden than suffer so long from this sort of vague malaise.
2013-01-05 07:50:21 PM  
1 vote:

Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.


Toll-o-meter: I live with my mom.
Have fun with polio, whooping cough, tetanus, flu, and all the other horrible diseases that are making a comeback thanks to parinoid hippies such as your self.
2013-01-05 07:49:54 PM  
1 vote:
Hospital worker here. Mandatory vaccination (or wear a mask for the entirety of flu season) is in place, although they did day that the flu here has been light. The mask restriction was supposed to be in place until February 1, and they lifted it December 19.

I just seem to get biatching colds. I had the flu once, at 14, and asked my mom to shoot me so that I would die and not have to feel so shiatty. My sympathies to all suffering this crap.
2013-01-05 07:48:51 PM  
1 vote:
I had something awful in mid-December as well. I had the flu shot, but only a few days before this happened, so I don't know if it was in full force yet, but I was quite ill thank you very much.

Started with a horrible sore throat and headache, added fatigue and aching body. Don't know about fever since I never checked, but it felt like I was feverish. THEN add horrible cold symptoms on top of it. I assume, due to the fever/ache thing that it was influenza, but if it wasn't it was the worst cold I have had in many, many years. I still have a ton of residual congestion and coughing going on - probably some sort of secondary bacterial crud that I just can't shake.

A couple of coworkers ended up hospitalized after this - pneumonia as a secondary issue.

/My wife didn't get it at all - her shot apparently worked out just fine. My son was quite ill for a few days.
2013-01-05 07:46:21 PM  
1 vote:
A coworker of mine just had to fly back to Virginia to bury his brother in law who came down with this, so I'm not getting a kick out of this. Hopefully this isn't one of those nasty strains that kills the young and healthy because it causes an overactive immune response.
2013-01-05 07:45:50 PM  
1 vote:

jaytkay: "I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40


Is it a gluten alergy, or Celiacs? My mom developed Celiac's in her late 40's. (Not even self-diagnosed: suspected via blood test, confirmed via gut biopsy)
2013-01-05 07:45:37 PM  
1 vote:
Baby can you dig your man?
2013-01-05 07:34:44 PM  
1 vote:
We need to name flu pandemics like we do hurricanes and tropical storms.

I'll with the first 6 ironically named after my ex girlfriends: Alicia, Jill, Pamela, Patricia, Claire, Pamela.
2013-01-05 07:20:35 PM  
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Somacandra: Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.


No shiat.  That shot only improves your odds, it doesn't protect you completely.
2013-01-05 07:15:56 PM  
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I am vaccinated by God through the power of prayer.
2013-01-05 06:56:04 PM  
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clownyclownzomby: developed a bad case of gout in my right ankle


Tried daily guanefesin and lemonade/citrate supplements? Works well to keep my UA levels down, usually.
2013-01-05 06:54:18 PM  
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Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.
2013-01-05 06:17:32 PM  
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I'm keeping my gun nearby at all times. If that damn flu comes anywhere near me I'm gonna shoot it.
2013-01-05 05:49:29 PM  
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coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?


Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.
2013-01-05 05:05:38 PM  
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Flunami 2013!
2013-01-05 04:58:52 PM  
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Caught something last weekend. Nausea and   diarrhea still.  Lost fourteen pounds, and due to not eating for five days,  developed a bad case of gout in my right ankle. The antibiotics haven't helped my appetite any.  One of my buddies is coming over with some percocets and a case of Hamm's. I'm a man. And a Farker.

/In Oklahoma, so there's no reason to go outside anyway.
//Sincerely hope none of you catch this. If so, get well soon.
2013-01-05 04:45:35 PM  
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St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.


I haven't caught flu in 25 years. My immune system is great on flu.

Sinus infections....not so much but better in recent years.
2013-01-05 04:44:43 PM  
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I've always had some kind of bizarre immunity to the flu.  I very rarely get it and it never lasts more than one day.  I'll see if I get it now since I met my stepmother for lunch yesterday and she was coming out of it.
2013-01-05 04:35:26 PM  
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Are there no editors?  Are there no proofreaders?  I despair.
2013-01-05 04:29:35 PM  
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I read a story yesterday about a 17-year-old who died from complications of the flu. That complication? A staph infection on top of pneumonia. Gah.
2013-01-05 04:16:35 PM  
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It's floating around my office and among my social circle so I always serve hard alcohol at gatherings at both the office and parties.
2013-01-05 03:58:01 PM  
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Mentat: Already got it, survived.


Sure you did. Just have a hankering for brains now, otherwise doing just fine.
 
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