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2013-01-05 08:31:13 PM  

Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.



Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it
 
2013-01-05 08:34:17 PM  

Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.



All that from the FLU???

Damn.
 
2013-01-05 08:37:54 PM  
y'all nubians need to stay away from hospitals.
 
2013-01-05 08:38:06 PM  

Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.


Very amusing.
 
2013-01-05 08:38:59 PM  
Damn, it's like this thing's gone viral...

/got nothin'
//hoping it stays that way
 
2013-01-05 08:39:11 PM  

BronyMedic: Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.

To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.


Oh God, I apologized so much on the trip to the hospital.  It didn't help that I couldn't stop throwing up in the ambulance, either.  I did manage to hold in the rest of my shiat (literally) during the ride, but just barely.  One of the paramedics was really hot, too.  All I could think was "this entire ambulance smells like shiat and vomit.  That girl is hot.  I'm gonna puke again."

I was so deliriously sick I tried to be quiet while I was puking and I thought maybe she would notice how quiet I was being.  Like that was impressive.

Then when I got to the hospital they insisted on having an orderly give me a sponge bath instead of letting me take a shower for seventeen hours like I wanted to.  Honestly, if I had a gun on me at the time, I would have shot myself in the head.  It was by far the most humiliating experience of my life.
 
2013-01-05 08:39:23 PM  
I got the flu before it was cool this year. I spent Thanksgiving week in bed with a fever that peaked at 104.3, with Ibuprofen and Tylenol alternated every four hours bringing it down to around 101.2 Plus the sore throat, dry cough, muscle aches, pleas to Mrs Buzzcut to have mercy and end my suffering by bludgeoning me to death, all that fun stuff.
I still felt like crap (but without the fever and all) the Monday that school started back up, turns out I had strep on top of it.
Fun times, fun times.

/Brains...
 
2013-01-05 08:39:28 PM  
One of the TV News Docs said that typically 3% of unvaccinated people get the flu, while only 2% of vaccinated get it. Not a big difference.
 
2013-01-05 08:40:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it


Herd Immunity, how does it work?!?

s2.postimage.org

/people like you are part of the problem, Amos.
 
2013-01-05 08:41:47 PM  
I got the vaccine and it hasn't affected me. Oh crap I just dropped 117 toothpicks.
 
2013-01-05 08:43:41 PM  

Abox: I got the vaccine and it hasn't affected me. Oh crap I just dropped 117 toothpicks.


Clearly a vaccine related side effect - flu shot probibly gave you Assburgers or something Autistic. Rush off to VAERS and make a report so your lawyer can sue for you.
 
2013-01-05 08:45:03 PM  
lol, buttfumble
 
2013-01-05 08:45:24 PM  

Mad_Radhu: A coworker of mine just had to fly back to Virginia to bury his brother in law who came down with this, so I'm not getting a kick out of this. Hopefully this isn't one of those nasty strains that kills the young and healthy because it causes an overactive immune response.


I was coughing so hard last week that my abs are still sore. I was afraid I might blow an aneurysm.

Xmas present from my nieces and nephews!
 
2013-01-05 08:45:37 PM  
Media fear mongering and/or attempt to increase viewers. I didn't get a flu vaccine last year (or any year as an adult), took no less than 30 flights between January and March of last year and if you would believe what the media says I should have been in the hospital with the Flu, TB, Noro, Autism, and at least a dozen forms of Cancer.
 
2013-01-05 08:46:13 PM  
Lsherm


I got Enterovirus a few years back. Same deal. Couldn't keep anything down, slowly got more and more dehydrated. After 3 days, my muscles started to seize up. My last voluntary act was to phone 911 and calling for an ambulance. By the time they got to the door, I couldn't move and told them to break it down. They had to carry me down to the gurney because I was completely seized up like a pretzel. Basically if I hadn't of called them I would have died. 2 days in. Lots and lots of money. My stomach wasn't right for about 5 years after...do not recommend. Best of luck to all you flu sufferers....
 
2013-01-05 08:47:51 PM  

Lt_Ryan: Media fear mongering and/or attempt to increase viewers. I didn't get a flu vaccine last year (or any year as an adult), took no less than 30 flights between January and March of last year and if you would believe what the media says I should have been in the hospital with the Flu, TB, Noro, Autism, and at least a dozen forms of Cancer.


I got a flu shot this year, and when I got home I farked my wife.

Flu shots clearly cause you to get laid as a side effect, going by that logic.
 
2013-01-05 08:48:05 PM  

Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.


I'm very sorry for your daughter's illness, but you're describing treatment for cancer, which has nothing to do with flu. While flu, if acquired by somebody with cancer may be more likely to be fatal, the discussion here has nothing to do with your daughter's unfortunate situation.

BTW, with regard to people getting sick from their first flu shot, it's not that they really get sick. It's that the immune system can be tricked into thinking there is an infection, so you get some of the same symptoms. But, no real infection exists, so while it may feel bad, it's not threatening in any way other than the inconvenience. There is a connection, it's just not an illness. Still sucks I'm sure, but the main issues remain. If you want to really battle flu for the population as a while, then work to get to a minimum 80% vaccination rate among children. Oh, and wash your hands, frequently. Anything else is a placebo for the populace.
 
2013-01-05 08:51:44 PM  
As someone who works in a hospital, I'm getting a kick out of these...

oh wait, no I'm not. Flu season sucks. Stop coming to the hospital and exposing me, jerks.

/Only been working in hospitals for 3 years. No flu yet.
//Yay flu shots, good hand sanitation, and getting lucky!
 
2013-01-05 08:53:50 PM  
Mrs meteorite is in bed after throwing up a good portion of the day here.
 
2013-01-05 08:54:28 PM  
Icarus88

"As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed"..........

/reading comprehension much?
 
2013-01-05 09:01:48 PM  

Somacandra: Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.


sooooooooooo
going to get a shot now wont help me then? sigh
 
2013-01-05 09:07:24 PM  
since when is a severe cough considered the flu?
/damn, I just had a bunch of those symptoms last week.
//headed to Asia on monday, gonna bring back the plague I'm sure
 
2013-01-05 09:07:25 PM  
I feel like a bad person after how much I was laughing at Lsherm's ongoing story. But I promise if I was ever a witness to such, I would use my phone to call 911 for the person and would not snap pics or videos of the poor bastard's plight.
 
2013-01-05 09:08:32 PM  

GAT_00: I've always had some kind of bizarre immunity to the flu.  I very rarely get it and it never lasts more than one day.  I'll see if I get it now since I met my stepmother for lunch yesterday and she was coming out of it.


That's not the flu....
 
2013-01-05 09:08:59 PM  
M-o-o-n that spells flu
 
2013-01-05 09:09:54 PM  

BronyMedic: Abox: I got the vaccine and it hasn't affected me. Oh crap I just dropped 117 toothpicks.

Clearly a vaccine related side effect - flu shot probibly gave you Assburgers or something Autistic. Rush off to VAERS and make a report so your lawyer can sue for you.



LOL!

Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?
 
2013-01-05 09:10:57 PM  

Icarus88: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.

I'm very sorry for your daughter's illness, but you're describing treatment for cancer, which has nothing to do with flu. While flu, if acquired by somebody with cancer may be more likely to be fatal, the discussion here has nothing to do with your daughter's unfortunate situation.

BTW, with regard to people getting sick from their first flu shot, it's not that they really get sick. It's that the immune system can be tricked into thinking there is an infection, so you get some of the same symptoms. But, no real infection exists, so while it may feel bad, it's not threatening in any way other than the inconvenience. There is a connection, it's just not an illness. Still sucks I'm sure, but the main issues remain. If you want to really battle flu for the population as a while, then work to get to a minimum 80% vaccination rate among children. Oh, and wash your hands, frequently. Anything else is a placebo for the populace.


Perhaps I am overestimating intelligence or underestimating trolling, but at no point did I say the flu was the reason for the treatment. I foolishly assumed that it would be understood that people with compromised immune systems would be concerned with a particularly bad flu season.

And thanks, jerk. I had no idea taking my mother to the oncologist meant she had cancer. I could have sworn it was the flu. Thank God for helpers like yourself.
 
2013-01-05 09:11:06 PM  

Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.


Immunosuppressive drugs = nasty shiat.

/Know it well.
 
2013-01-05 09:12:06 PM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it

Herd Immunity, how does it work?!?



Not very well, apparently.
 
2013-01-05 09:12:39 PM  
I thought all you had to do was yell "Shoo! Shoo! Retarded flu!" at it?
 
2013-01-05 09:15:57 PM  
I'm recovering from it now (Atlanta area). My wife has it. My daughter had it. It's pretty nasty. Low grade fever, mild hallucinations, and generally the ickies. I'd give it a 4/10.

I had swine flu a few years ago. It had much bigger temperature swings, much worse headaches, and had big time ickies. That was more a 7/10.

And both times I had the flu shot several months prior.

/hide yo' granny
//hide yo' anybody with a compromised immune system
 
2013-01-05 09:16:11 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.

To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.

Oh God, I apologized so much on the trip to the hospital.  It didn't help that I couldn't stop throwing up in the ambulance, either.  I did manage to hold in the rest of my shiat (literally) during the ride, but just barely.  One of the paramedics was really hot, too.  All I could think was "this entire ambulance smells like shiat and vomit.  That girl is hot.  I'm gonna puke again."

I was so deliriously sick I tried to be quiet while I was puking and I thought maybe she would notice how quiet I was being.  Like that was impressive.

Then when I got to the hospital they insisted on having an orderly give me a sponge bath instead of letting me take a shower for seventeen hours like I wanted to.  Honestly, if I had a gun on me at the time, I would have shot myself in the head.  It was by far the most humiliating experience of my life.


9/10 internet LULZ.
The mental image of you trying to mantain a shred of dignity and run a little bit of game on the medic during the shiattypukey joyride is classic.
/ In her mind she is contemplating sliding her digits into your butt mud saturated pocket. Thinking the whole time "He pukes hott!"
 
2013-01-05 09:17:15 PM  
verbal_jizm: I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.

My immune system was forged over several generations on a tropical island that gets millions of tourists per year from around the world.

// they make flu shots out of my white blood cells
 
2013-01-05 09:17:40 PM  
I got my flu shot early in fall, didn't even realize I barely experienced the flu until recently. I had a couple days of mild fatigue, muscle aches and a headache just after Christmas, then that was it. No fever. Even played with my snotty, sneezy little nieces on New Year's. Nothing.

Keen.
 
2013-01-05 09:18:51 PM  
The hospitals here are completely full and more than overflowing. We're treating in-patients on stretchers in the E.R., waiting rooms, and hallways. We're sending overflow ICU patients to PACU (has the equip and nurses have the know-how). It's a nightmare. I hope we collectively get over this soon.
 
2013-01-05 09:19:21 PM  
I banged Flew Tsunami once. She was you mother.
 
2013-01-05 09:20:44 PM  

coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?


In adults a fever is more likely from flu than a cold. Muscle ache would cinch it, though.
 
2013-01-05 09:22:54 PM  

plutonium238: Lsherm: BronyMedic: Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.

To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.

Oh God, I apologized so much on the trip to the hospital.  It didn't help that I couldn't stop throwing up in the ambulance, either.  I did manage to hold in the rest of my shiat (literally) during the ride, but just barely.  One of the paramedics was really hot, too.  All I could think was "this entire ambulance smells like shiat and vomit.  That girl is hot.  I'm gonna puke again."

I was so deliriously sick I tried to be quiet while I was puking and I thought maybe she would notice how quiet I was being.  Like that was impressive.

Then when I got to the hospital they insisted on having an orderly give me a sponge bath instead of letting me take a shower for seventeen hours like I wanted to.  Honestly, if I had a gun on me at the time, I would have shot myself in the head.  It was by far the most humiliating experience of my life.

9/10 internet LULZ.
The mental image of you trying to mantain a shred of dignity and run a little bit of game on the medic during the shiattypukey joyride is classic.
/ In her mind she is contemplating sliding her digits into your butt mud saturated pocket. Thinking the whole time "He pukes hott!"


This entire episode has made my week... Sorry if laughing at your pain makes me smile, but damn it is funny.
 
2013-01-05 09:24:02 PM  

serpent_sky: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.


I had that, about the same time. Took about two weeks to burn off, only mine migrated to my sinuses. Two weeks of blood clots in my nasal passages, ick. Not the flu, but I think just a bad cold. I always get a sinus infection the first couple weeks of winter, but this was a little worse.
 
2013-01-05 09:24:08 PM  

DrRatchet: xkranda: We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

Sounds more like Norovirus,  There is a particularly mean one going around.


Norovirus is the horribly named "stomach flu" -- diarrhea and vomiting, rather than fever, cough, congestion and aches.
 
2013-01-05 09:25:21 PM  

Snausages75: Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.

Very amusing.



Hey, no offense. You just worded your post in a way that made it sound like a warning, rather than a plea.

Lost my mom (many years ago) to brain cancer.

Actually, the brain cancer didn't kill her - it was a brain INFECTION caused by the farking biopsy to test for cancer.

Not that she wouldn't have died anyway - we all do eventually.

Right?
 
2013-01-05 09:26:01 PM  
These are the first three comments in this thread that admit to getting the Flu shot:

Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.

I have it now. Fever, aches, congestion, general misery. On day 2 alone. Husband, who NEVER gets sick for more than a day, has had it for a week and is just coming out of it. We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

I had something awful in mid-December as well. I had the flu shot, but only a few days before this happened, so I don't know if it was in full force yet, but I was quite ill thank you very much.


These people had the Flu Shot and got the Flu. But it had to be a fluke, right? GAAAA! Sheep to the slaughter.

I had both the Oral and Injection Polio Vaccines. And STILL GOT POLIO. But I don't have the Flu. EVAR!
 
2013-01-05 09:27:06 PM  

Amos Quito: Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?


Do you actually read the stuff you post, or do you just link it. I think you did the later. Because that's not actually true.

FTFA: Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Court was set up in the 1980s to screen claims of vaccine injury for legitimacy and ensure that children who were legitimately injured by a vaccine side effect recieve fair compensation. The level of scrutany and legitimacy/acceptance by science at large for scientific and medical evidence is FAR less than an actual legal court would require, and it's far easier to win a verdict there than in a civil trial. However, several law firms have filed massive class action lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers outside of this, in direct violation of your claim, since then. Most have been claims that their child's autism was caused by a vaccine or adjuvant, which is in direct contradiction to all existing research on the topic.

So yes. People like you, with misinformed and ill-researched opinions and baseless fear mongering ARE to blame for poor vaccine uptake in the United States.
 
2013-01-05 09:28:34 PM  
I rarely ever get sick.

Dec 22nd was the last day I was even outside of the house (literally, did not set foot outside the house).

I live alone in a house.

5 days later, Dec 27th I cam down with the flu, and it was bad, just now getting over it.

DAFUQ.


And yes, my Christmas was "forever alone".
 
2013-01-05 09:29:12 PM  
I read that in our area what is going around is Influenza "b" strain and the flu shots in our state only included the Influenza "a" strain, therefore the widespread epidemic. I use roughly 3000 hours of labor in my place of business a week (big box retailer) and have had almost 400 hours of call-ins this week alone.
 
2013-01-05 09:31:58 PM  
So a quarter of the people that got so sick they had to be hospitalized were vaccinated?

Well those kind of odds make me want to run out and get stuck!
 
2013-01-05 09:34:21 PM  
Had the flu pretty bad around Easter of '11 (five straight days of 105 temp) and before that was in '98. Is a flu shot effective?
 
2013-01-05 09:37:55 PM  
Got the flu 26 years ago and it very nearly killed me. Haven't had to worry about a flu shot since; haven't even had a cold since.
 
2013-01-05 09:38:57 PM  

FearTheBoognish: I read that in our area what is going around is Influenza "b" strain and the flu shots in our state only included the Influenza "a" strain


The US annual flu shot is not restricted to one strain.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:22 PM  
I picked up something a month ago. Lasted two weeks, almost to the day. First three days were the worst. Could barely move. No puking or crapping, just couldn't move or think. Had to force myself to eat. Zero energy. Knew staying in bed wasn't the answer but sort of shambled around the house drinking hot tea. Sort of like a hot tea zombie.

The middle part was a head cold with surprise thin nasal draining. The last thee days were a fair amount of coughing with resultant expectoration. Stayed in my throat at the end. Some minor coughing. Still slightly sore and occasional cough.
 
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