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(Daily Mail)   The flu tsunami has hit America. Open your mouth wide for the doctor and see if you're infected. If you were not vaccinated... well then, Buh bye   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-05 03:08:54 PM  
Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.
 
2013-01-05 03:24:55 PM  

St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.


I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.
 
2013-01-05 03:30:39 PM  

verbal_jizm: St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.

I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.


Mine is uneducated, but effective in its barbaric way.
 
2013-01-05 03:33:37 PM  
I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe. You see I'm catching a ship in NYC that was just over there for a cruise.
/hoping for good times
 
2013-01-05 03:55:16 PM  
Already got it, survived.
 
2013-01-05 03:58:01 PM  

Mentat: Already got it, survived.


Sure you did. Just have a hankering for brains now, otherwise doing just fine.
 
2013-01-05 04:16:35 PM  
It's floating around my office and among my social circle so I always serve hard alcohol at gatherings at both the office and parties.
 
2013-01-05 04:29:35 PM  
I read a story yesterday about a 17-year-old who died from complications of the flu. That complication? A staph infection on top of pneumonia. Gah.
 
2013-01-05 04:35:26 PM  
Are there no editors?  Are there no proofreaders?  I despair.
 
2013-01-05 04:38:24 PM  
Influenza turned my vaccinated fever-cooked spouse into a zombie.  She couldn't even remember her own name.  (She couldn't walk either, so my brains were spared.)

/got better
//this time
 
2013-01-05 04:44:18 PM  

Mentat: Already got it, survived.


That is comforting to hear.

/cough cough
//snort
 
2013-01-05 04:44:43 PM  
I've always had some kind of bizarre immunity to the flu.  I very rarely get it and it never lasts more than one day.  I'll see if I get it now since I met my stepmother for lunch yesterday and she was coming out of it.
 
2013-01-05 04:45:35 PM  

St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.


I haven't caught flu in 25 years. My immune system is great on flu.

Sinus infections....not so much but better in recent years.
 
2013-01-05 04:45:38 PM  

Sgygus: Influenza turned my vaccinated fever-cooked spouse into a zombie.  She couldn't even remember her own name.  (She couldn't walk either, so my brains were spared.)

/got better
//this time


So she didn't marry you for your brains?
 
2013-01-05 04:58:52 PM  
Caught something last weekend. Nausea and   diarrhea still.  Lost fourteen pounds, and due to not eating for five days,  developed a bad case of gout in my right ankle. The antibiotics haven't helped my appetite any.  One of my buddies is coming over with some percocets and a case of Hamm's. I'm a man. And a Farker.

/In Oklahoma, so there's no reason to go outside anyway.
//Sincerely hope none of you catch this. If so, get well soon.
 
2013-01-05 05:05:38 PM  
Flunami 2013!
 
2013-01-05 05:32:36 PM  

ToxicMunkee: I read a story yesterday about a 17-year-old who died from complications of the flu. That complication? A staph infection on top of pneumonia. Gah.


That's why you NEVER go to the hospital.
 
2013-01-05 05:34:28 PM  
I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?
 
2013-01-05 05:38:15 PM  

coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?


Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.
 
2013-01-05 05:42:37 PM  
Since I have a Mac, I shouldn't get the Virus.

/Thank you almighty Steve Jobs
 
2013-01-05 05:49:29 PM  

coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?


Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.
 
2013-01-05 06:04:45 PM  

serpent_sky: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.


Yeah, the fatigue was awful, and a consistent low-grade headache around the forehead and temples. Ugh. I couldn't sleep well at all.

verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.


Yeah, from what people describe the flu as being, I don't think I've ever had it.
 
2013-01-05 06:17:32 PM  
I'm keeping my gun nearby at all times. If that damn flu comes anywhere near me I'm gonna shoot it.
 
2013-01-05 06:54:18 PM  
Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.
 
2013-01-05 06:56:04 PM  

clownyclownzomby: developed a bad case of gout in my right ankle


Tried daily guanefesin and lemonade/citrate supplements? Works well to keep my UA levels down, usually.
 
2013-01-05 07:15:56 PM  
I am vaccinated by God through the power of prayer.
 
2013-01-05 07:20:35 PM  

Somacandra: Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.


No shiat.  That shot only improves your odds, it doesn't protect you completely.
 
2013-01-05 07:25:34 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.


I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.
 
2013-01-05 07:28:27 PM  
ahchoo
 
2013-01-05 07:29:15 PM  
After being in the Navy and dealing with the crud on the ship I feel like I could take anything on.
 
2013-01-05 07:32:32 PM  
I work directly with the public. I handle objects handed to me by the unwashed masses and share close quarters with at least a dozen strangers every day. I only get the flu or a cold once every couple years but I will be pleased if I make it through this flu season without breaking my current streak.
 
2013-01-05 07:32:40 PM  
Gesundheit.

i249.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-05 07:33:27 PM  
My son had it just before christmas. woke up with a 103 fever, wife brought him to the docs and he got some tamaflu. lasted the weekend and it's gone.
My daughter got the flu shot at school so she was good.


/hoping it stays away now.
 
2013-01-05 07:34:44 PM  
We need to name flu pandemics like we do hurricanes and tropical storms.

I'll with the first 6 ironically named after my ex girlfriends: Alicia, Jill, Pamela, Patricia, Claire, Pamela.
 
2013-01-05 07:36:02 PM  
I AM THE MEDIA AND I REQUIRE FEARMONGERING FOR MORE VIEWS ALSO DID I MENTION SWINE FLU EPIDEMIC YOU ALL DIED FROM THAT REMEMBER
 
2013-01-05 07:36:07 PM  

MorrisBird: Are there no editors?  Are there no proofreaders?  I despair.


They all have the flu...
 
2013-01-05 07:36:36 PM  

RedPhoenix122: I am vaccinated by God through the power of prayer.

 
2013-01-05 07:36:42 PM  
We should ban viruses. They do nothing good for us.

/Am I doing it right?
 
2013-01-05 07:36:53 PM  
I try to avoid Autism, so HELL NO to the vaccine.

You guys all are probably already Ass-burgers so it won't matter.
 
2013-01-05 07:37:16 PM  

encyclopediaplushuman: RedPhoenix122: I am vaccinated by God through the power of prayer.


Dammit that's stupid
 
2013-01-05 07:37:34 PM  

A Shambling Mound: I work directly with the public. I handle objects handed to me by the unwashed masses and share close quarters with at least a dozen strangers every day. I only get the flu or a cold once every couple years but I will be pleased if I make it through this flu season without breaking my current streak.


Do strippers have good healthcare plans?
 
2013-01-05 07:38:18 PM  
Copious amounts of vodak is as good as a flu shot, right?
 
2013-01-05 07:39:22 PM  
I have it now. Fever, aches, congestion, general misery. On day 2 alone. Husband, who NEVER gets sick for more than a day, has had it for a week and is just coming out of it.

We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

/kids are fine
//ick
 
2013-01-05 07:39:23 PM  

Rockstone: We should ban viruses. They do nothing good for us.

/Am I doing it right?


Actually, the correct answer is "more guns" because the less people alive, the less likely you are to become infected.
 
2013-01-05 07:39:46 PM  
About 127 million doses of flu vaccine have been distributed this year from the 15 million doses produced for this season.

Maths.
 
2013-01-05 07:40:32 PM  
Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.
 
2013-01-05 07:41:13 PM  
He's coming for you, Larry. The Man With No Face!
 
2013-01-05 07:41:17 PM  
Darwin is making his annual visit and culling the gene pool.
 
2013-01-05 07:41:32 PM  
why do we call bad things "tsunami's" why don't we call it the flu gay instead of the flu tsunami??
 
2013-01-05 07:41:37 PM  

xkranda: We and kids got flu shots, to boot.


Sounds more like Norovirus,  There is a particularly mean one going around.
 
2013-01-05 07:42:10 PM  

serpent_sky: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.


Same here...lots of confusion and lethargy. Felt like I indian leg wrestled with a dump truck, wierdest part though was that it started in the respiratory and finished in the sinuses. Typically my bugs go the other way.
/snortin lines of airborne and chugging 40s of pedialyte.
 
2013-01-05 07:42:48 PM  
"I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40
 
2013-01-05 07:43:58 PM  

jaytkay: "I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40


i took methamphetamines once, but i still got ADHD
METHAMPHATAMINE DOES NOT WORK
 
2013-01-05 07:45:37 PM  
Baby can you dig your man?
 
2013-01-05 07:45:50 PM  

jaytkay: "I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40


Is it a gluten alergy, or Celiacs? My mom developed Celiac's in her late 40's. (Not even self-diagnosed: suspected via blood test, confirmed via gut biopsy)
 
2013-01-05 07:46:21 PM  
A coworker of mine just had to fly back to Virginia to bury his brother in law who came down with this, so I'm not getting a kick out of this. Hopefully this isn't one of those nasty strains that kills the young and healthy because it causes an overactive immune response.
 
2013-01-05 07:47:03 PM  
I don't get sick very often, but when I do it's a hoot. It's sort of funny really. When I'm healthy I flat out refuse to accept the inevitability of death, but when I'm sick I find myself saying things like, "Oh sweet death, would that I could know your embrace and end the suffering."
 
2013-01-05 07:47:19 PM  
I can't wait to go all trash can man on this joint.
 
2013-01-05 07:48:51 PM  
I had something awful in mid-December as well. I had the flu shot, but only a few days before this happened, so I don't know if it was in full force yet, but I was quite ill thank you very much.

Started with a horrible sore throat and headache, added fatigue and aching body. Don't know about fever since I never checked, but it felt like I was feverish. THEN add horrible cold symptoms on top of it. I assume, due to the fever/ache thing that it was influenza, but if it wasn't it was the worst cold I have had in many, many years. I still have a ton of residual congestion and coughing going on - probably some sort of secondary bacterial crud that I just can't shake.

A couple of coworkers ended up hospitalized after this - pneumonia as a secondary issue.

/My wife didn't get it at all - her shot apparently worked out just fine. My son was quite ill for a few days.
 
2013-01-05 07:49:38 PM  

Felgraf: Is it a gluten alergy, or Celiacs?


No, celiacs is real.
 
2013-01-05 07:49:54 PM  
Hospital worker here. Mandatory vaccination (or wear a mask for the entirety of flu season) is in place, although they did day that the flu here has been light. The mask restriction was supposed to be in place until February 1, and they lifted it December 19.

I just seem to get biatching colds. I had the flu once, at 14, and asked my mom to shoot me so that I would die and not have to feel so shiatty. My sympathies to all suffering this crap.
 
2013-01-05 07:50:21 PM  

Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.


Toll-o-meter: I live with my mom.
Have fun with polio, whooping cough, tetanus, flu, and all the other horrible diseases that are making a comeback thanks to parinoid hippies such as your self.
 
2013-01-05 07:51:06 PM  
I'm just going to use that homeopathic remedy that Jude Law says cried him.
 
2013-01-05 07:51:34 PM  
Not sure if it's the flu, per se, but I've had something on me for a few weeks now. Body aches and massive fatigue, ear infection, lungs feel like they're working at half capacity. No fever to speak of or any outward signs of illness, save for the occasional sneeze. Whatever it is, I wish it'd go away. I'd almost rather be bed-ridden than suffer so long from this sort of vague malaise.
 
2013-01-05 07:52:33 PM  

swahnhennessy: Not sure if it's the flu, per se, but I've had something on me for a few weeks now. Body aches and massive fatigue, ear infection, lungs feel like they're working at half capacity. No fever to speak of or any outward signs of illness, save for the occasional sneeze. Whatever it is, I wish it'd go away. I'd almost rather be bed-ridden than suffer so long from this sort of vague malaise.


Sounds like full blown AIDS.
 
2013-01-05 07:52:42 PM  

Lsherm: AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.

I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


Glad you're feeling better and didn't die, but you just made me, and I'm sure dozens of other farkers laugh out loud, so it was kinda worth it. Well done.
 
2013-01-05 07:52:52 PM  

St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.


I figure like most farkers I'm safe since I never leave my subterranean quarters between thanksgiving and the melt.
 
2013-01-05 07:54:15 PM  
Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.

Really though, it's all about the kids. They're the ones most likely to acquire, and transmit the flu. Vaccinate 100% of the kids, and you will dramatically reduce incidence among the general population, regardless of how many adults are vaccinated.
 
2013-01-05 07:55:30 PM  

Silly Jesus: swahnhennessy: Not sure if it's the flu, per se, but I've had something on me for a few weeks now. Body aches and massive fatigue, ear infection, lungs feel like they're working at half capacity. No fever to speak of or any outward signs of illness, save for the occasional sneeze. Whatever it is, I wish it'd go away. I'd almost rather be bed-ridden than suffer so long from this sort of vague malaise.

Sounds like full blown AIDS.


Or at least 2/3 blown AIDS
 
2013-01-05 07:56:43 PM  

Or at least 2/3 blown AIDS


For the rest of us, please stop blowing AIDS all over the place. Nobody likes to see that crap in public, man.
 
2013-01-05 07:58:22 PM  
I once managed to catch pneumonia on top of bronchitis.  At one point I was down to one lung, because righty was completely filled with fluid.  Ever since then, I've never gotten sick aside from food poisoning.  Nine years disease free and counting, now.
 
2013-01-05 08:00:28 PM  

LlamaGirl: I can't wait to go all trash can man on this joint.


Beware the walkin dude.
 
2013-01-05 08:01:50 PM  

Silly Jesus: Sounds like full blown AIDS.


assjuice: Or at least 2/3 blown AIDS


Thank god. I just assumed it was Ebola.
 
2013-01-05 08:02:12 PM  
I've had it all week. I'm feeling better, but still coughing up tons of mucus and getting exhausted if I try to do anything. It's nasty. I had the shot a couple of months ago, guess it didn't work.
 
2013-01-05 08:02:38 PM  

Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.

Really though, it's all about the kids. They're the ones most likely to acquire, and transmit the flu. Vaccinate 100% of the kids, and you will dramatically reduce incidence among the general population, regardless of how many adults are vaccinated.


Well, it's also two things.
1) The flu vaccine, in particular, is a bit of a crapshoot, because of how easily that virus mutates. They basically 'guess' which strain of the flu is most likely going to be the bad one this year (if I remember right)

2) I've had vaccine immunity described sort-of like a bunch of sand dunes between a beach and some houses. If there's too much water/too strong a storm (/too much of a viral load), the protection they offer will eventually be overwhelmed, but it's still better than not having 'em.
 
2013-01-05 08:03:22 PM  
I shot my wife and she didn't get it.
 
2013-01-05 08:03:56 PM  

verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.


Not always, I've seen cases where patients have been hospitalized with pneumonia and tested positive with flu with only a low grade fever, your sinus are probably a better sign if it's a flu or a cold if a high fever is absent. Cold are upper respiratory so if you are mostly have stuffed up sinuses it's normally the cold. Flu tends to be lower respiratory so soar throat, dry coughs, fevers and fatigue are common, plus the symptoms last longer, weeks instead of days.

You never really know if you have the flu unless you actually get tested.
 
2013-01-05 08:04:45 PM  
My record of flu after being vaccinated is perfect. I always catch it. I keep hoping that the extensive immune system training plus this year's vaccine will one or the other help. Honestly it's gotten less horrible and more like a bad cold over the years, to the point I was surprise to find this doesn't happen to all people.
 
2013-01-05 08:06:07 PM  

Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


There are a few strains going around and people that get the flu vaccine are often in a higher risk group than those that don't.  So that can skew the statistics a bit...
 
2013-01-05 08:07:45 PM  

Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


I was all amused at learning a friend of mine shiat+puked herself in a subway, then I realized same area/similar name/but you're a guy.

www.crazy-and-funny-pictures.com
 
2013-01-05 08:08:29 PM  
I got my flu shot so that means...
I SHALL RULE THIS POST-APOCALYPTIC WASTELAND!
 
2013-01-05 08:09:34 PM  
At least two types floating around right now. One that gives you high fever,head aches, muscle aches, tight chest, total misery. The other strain has similar symptoms but includes liberal doses of diarrhea and nausea due to stomach virus. Your biggest danger here is with the possibility of dehydration. you have to drink fluids but damned if they don't come back out as quick as they go in. My wife had this one last week- lasts 12-24 hours. On the bright side- she did get a day of much needed sleep.

I've worked in a hospital for 15 years- does wonders for the immunity system. Surrounded by the flu at work- hasn't gotten to me yet!
 
2013-01-05 08:10:21 PM  

Richard C Stanford: I got my flu shot so that means...
I SHALL RULE THIS POST-APOCALYPTIC WASTELAND!


So did I. ( I guess I'll see you in Vegas, then.)
 
2013-01-05 08:11:36 PM  
i287.photobucket.com

Haven't had the flu since 1986. I think I got a flu shot every year since then. Worse case I ever had....puking until I passed out, other things......
 
2013-01-05 08:15:35 PM  
I'm 32 and have had a total of ~28 hrs with the flu. My sympathies to those without biatchin' immune systems. (Though the price of never getting sick is allergies to mold and pollen and perpetual sinus drainage.)
 
2013-01-05 08:17:18 PM  

St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.


Yep. Sleep and vitamins and alcohol do my body good. Don't knock it people. I've been strolling through flu armageddon at work without a sniffle.
 
2013-01-05 08:18:24 PM  
Got the flu right after Xmas. I didn't want to be a pussy,so I went to work. I started sweating then kind of passed out. I was so dizzy, I put my head down on my desk. About an hour and a half later, I "came to". Went home and slept for 10 hours, waking up every 45 mins to change my sweat soaked clothes. The fever broke after 2 days, but still have a pulled muscle in my neck from coughing. Lungs feel like they are full of cotton. It hasn't affected my GI system, so I got that going for me.
 
2013-01-05 08:18:49 PM  

coco ebert: ToxicMunkee: I read a story yesterday about a 17-year-old who died from complications of the flu. That complication? A staph infection on top of pneumonia. Gah.

That's why you NEVER go to the hospital.


Sadly this.
 
2013-01-05 08:20:13 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: We need to name flu pandemics like we do hurricanes and tropical storms.

I'll with the first 6 ironically named after my ex girlfriends: Alicia, Jill, Pamela, Patricia, Claire, Pamela.


t1.gstatic.com

I think we've all known Jill
 
2013-01-05 08:22:18 PM  
BUMP DI BUMP!
 
2013-01-05 08:22:26 PM  
I definitely got the shot this year: my school has a high proportion of adult students, many of which bring their kids to campus and even occasionally to class. (we have a pretty nice child-care facility, but I think it closes at 6.)

The absolute last thing you need while studying is throwing up your guts. No thanks.
 
2013-01-05 08:22:33 PM  
Farkers need to get to Vegas quick.
 
2013-01-05 08:22:43 PM  

Lsherm: AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.

I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


So much this. Except it nearly happened in front of my students when I was teaching. I missed getting my pants off by about two or three seconds. School principal arranged a pickup from the hospital around the corner. Spent a night hooked up to an IV and pampered by Japanese nurses.
 
2013-01-05 08:23:37 PM  
Got notovirus/rotovirus whatever the hell it is a week before Christmas. Christmas night I came down with the flu. Still getting over it.
Sucks.
 
2013-01-05 08:26:59 PM  

Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.
 
2013-01-05 08:27:10 PM  
As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.
 
2013-01-05 08:27:28 PM  

Shyla: Got notovirus/rotovirus whatever the hell it is a week before Christmas. Christmas night I came down with the flu. Still getting over it.
Sucks.


roto virus ENGAGE

bzzz bzzz BZZZP
 
2013-01-05 08:27:47 PM  
I don't know what I had, exactly, but three weeks ago, I went to two parties in two nights, one at my friends forge, so I was breathing in metal soot all night. Then I worked my usual fifteen hour Sunday on the hot/grill side of my line. Drank copiously both nights as well (fell off the wagon some time ago). Woke up Monday at 9 am and felt like I had a bad cold, bronchia irritated, sinuses completely stuffed up, no voice to speak of, and generally felt shiatty. Called in sick. By 6 pm I had a 103 degree fever, and that was *with* taking Nyquil, and drinking hot tea. Had that fever for two days. Thought it broke. Jennifer took my temperature, and I was @ 100.9. I was down for a week, and three weeks later I can still feel a tickle in my bronchia. My bar manager, who shared this with me in the first place, ended up with pneumonia.

Whatever is going around Seattle is a serious strain and its hitting people hard.
 
2013-01-05 08:30:43 PM  

stuffy: ahchoo


That was wet. Cover your mouth you hillbilly.
 
2013-01-05 08:31:13 PM  

Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.



Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it
 
2013-01-05 08:34:17 PM  

Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.



All that from the FLU???

Damn.
 
2013-01-05 08:37:54 PM  
y'all nubians need to stay away from hospitals.
 
2013-01-05 08:38:06 PM  

Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.


Very amusing.
 
2013-01-05 08:38:59 PM  
Damn, it's like this thing's gone viral...

/got nothin'
//hoping it stays that way
 
2013-01-05 08:39:11 PM  

BronyMedic: Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.

To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.


Oh God, I apologized so much on the trip to the hospital.  It didn't help that I couldn't stop throwing up in the ambulance, either.  I did manage to hold in the rest of my shiat (literally) during the ride, but just barely.  One of the paramedics was really hot, too.  All I could think was "this entire ambulance smells like shiat and vomit.  That girl is hot.  I'm gonna puke again."

I was so deliriously sick I tried to be quiet while I was puking and I thought maybe she would notice how quiet I was being.  Like that was impressive.

Then when I got to the hospital they insisted on having an orderly give me a sponge bath instead of letting me take a shower for seventeen hours like I wanted to.  Honestly, if I had a gun on me at the time, I would have shot myself in the head.  It was by far the most humiliating experience of my life.
 
2013-01-05 08:39:23 PM  
I got the flu before it was cool this year. I spent Thanksgiving week in bed with a fever that peaked at 104.3, with Ibuprofen and Tylenol alternated every four hours bringing it down to around 101.2 Plus the sore throat, dry cough, muscle aches, pleas to Mrs Buzzcut to have mercy and end my suffering by bludgeoning me to death, all that fun stuff.
I still felt like crap (but without the fever and all) the Monday that school started back up, turns out I had strep on top of it.
Fun times, fun times.

/Brains...
 
2013-01-05 08:39:28 PM  
One of the TV News Docs said that typically 3% of unvaccinated people get the flu, while only 2% of vaccinated get it. Not a big difference.
 
2013-01-05 08:40:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it


Herd Immunity, how does it work?!?

s2.postimage.org

/people like you are part of the problem, Amos.
 
2013-01-05 08:41:47 PM  
I got the vaccine and it hasn't affected me. Oh crap I just dropped 117 toothpicks.
 
2013-01-05 08:43:41 PM  

Abox: I got the vaccine and it hasn't affected me. Oh crap I just dropped 117 toothpicks.


Clearly a vaccine related side effect - flu shot probibly gave you Assburgers or something Autistic. Rush off to VAERS and make a report so your lawyer can sue for you.
 
2013-01-05 08:45:03 PM  
lol, buttfumble
 
2013-01-05 08:45:24 PM  

Mad_Radhu: A coworker of mine just had to fly back to Virginia to bury his brother in law who came down with this, so I'm not getting a kick out of this. Hopefully this isn't one of those nasty strains that kills the young and healthy because it causes an overactive immune response.


I was coughing so hard last week that my abs are still sore. I was afraid I might blow an aneurysm.

Xmas present from my nieces and nephews!
 
2013-01-05 08:45:37 PM  
Media fear mongering and/or attempt to increase viewers. I didn't get a flu vaccine last year (or any year as an adult), took no less than 30 flights between January and March of last year and if you would believe what the media says I should have been in the hospital with the Flu, TB, Noro, Autism, and at least a dozen forms of Cancer.
 
2013-01-05 08:46:13 PM  
Lsherm


I got Enterovirus a few years back. Same deal. Couldn't keep anything down, slowly got more and more dehydrated. After 3 days, my muscles started to seize up. My last voluntary act was to phone 911 and calling for an ambulance. By the time they got to the door, I couldn't move and told them to break it down. They had to carry me down to the gurney because I was completely seized up like a pretzel. Basically if I hadn't of called them I would have died. 2 days in. Lots and lots of money. My stomach wasn't right for about 5 years after...do not recommend. Best of luck to all you flu sufferers....
 
2013-01-05 08:47:51 PM  

Lt_Ryan: Media fear mongering and/or attempt to increase viewers. I didn't get a flu vaccine last year (or any year as an adult), took no less than 30 flights between January and March of last year and if you would believe what the media says I should have been in the hospital with the Flu, TB, Noro, Autism, and at least a dozen forms of Cancer.


I got a flu shot this year, and when I got home I farked my wife.

Flu shots clearly cause you to get laid as a side effect, going by that logic.
 
2013-01-05 08:48:05 PM  

Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.


I'm very sorry for your daughter's illness, but you're describing treatment for cancer, which has nothing to do with flu. While flu, if acquired by somebody with cancer may be more likely to be fatal, the discussion here has nothing to do with your daughter's unfortunate situation.

BTW, with regard to people getting sick from their first flu shot, it's not that they really get sick. It's that the immune system can be tricked into thinking there is an infection, so you get some of the same symptoms. But, no real infection exists, so while it may feel bad, it's not threatening in any way other than the inconvenience. There is a connection, it's just not an illness. Still sucks I'm sure, but the main issues remain. If you want to really battle flu for the population as a while, then work to get to a minimum 80% vaccination rate among children. Oh, and wash your hands, frequently. Anything else is a placebo for the populace.
 
2013-01-05 08:51:44 PM  
As someone who works in a hospital, I'm getting a kick out of these...

oh wait, no I'm not. Flu season sucks. Stop coming to the hospital and exposing me, jerks.

/Only been working in hospitals for 3 years. No flu yet.
//Yay flu shots, good hand sanitation, and getting lucky!
 
2013-01-05 08:53:50 PM  
Mrs meteorite is in bed after throwing up a good portion of the day here.
 
2013-01-05 08:54:28 PM  
Icarus88

"As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed"..........

/reading comprehension much?
 
2013-01-05 09:01:48 PM  

Somacandra: Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.


sooooooooooo
going to get a shot now wont help me then? sigh
 
2013-01-05 09:07:24 PM  
since when is a severe cough considered the flu?
/damn, I just had a bunch of those symptoms last week.
//headed to Asia on monday, gonna bring back the plague I'm sure
 
2013-01-05 09:07:25 PM  
I feel like a bad person after how much I was laughing at Lsherm's ongoing story. But I promise if I was ever a witness to such, I would use my phone to call 911 for the person and would not snap pics or videos of the poor bastard's plight.
 
2013-01-05 09:08:32 PM  

GAT_00: I've always had some kind of bizarre immunity to the flu.  I very rarely get it and it never lasts more than one day.  I'll see if I get it now since I met my stepmother for lunch yesterday and she was coming out of it.


That's not the flu....
 
2013-01-05 09:08:59 PM  
M-o-o-n that spells flu
 
2013-01-05 09:09:54 PM  

BronyMedic: Abox: I got the vaccine and it hasn't affected me. Oh crap I just dropped 117 toothpicks.

Clearly a vaccine related side effect - flu shot probibly gave you Assburgers or something Autistic. Rush off to VAERS and make a report so your lawyer can sue for you.



LOL!

Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?
 
2013-01-05 09:10:57 PM  

Icarus88: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.

Please get your damn flu shot. You will get some immune response the first time you get it, most likely. But after that first year, you very likely will not have any reaction.

And to everyone who says, "I got so terribly sick the first time I got a vaccine.", please consider that you cannot definitively tie the terrible sickness to the vaccination. You may very well have had the illness coming regardless of getting the shot.

I'm very sorry for your daughter's illness, but you're describing treatment for cancer, which has nothing to do with flu. While flu, if acquired by somebody with cancer may be more likely to be fatal, the discussion here has nothing to do with your daughter's unfortunate situation.

BTW, with regard to people getting sick from their first flu shot, it's not that they really get sick. It's that the immune system can be tricked into thinking there is an infection, so you get some of the same symptoms. But, no real infection exists, so while it may feel bad, it's not threatening in any way other than the inconvenience. There is a connection, it's just not an illness. Still sucks I'm sure, but the main issues remain. If you want to really battle flu for the population as a while, then work to get to a minimum 80% vaccination rate among children. Oh, and wash your hands, frequently. Anything else is a placebo for the populace.


Perhaps I am overestimating intelligence or underestimating trolling, but at no point did I say the flu was the reason for the treatment. I foolishly assumed that it would be understood that people with compromised immune systems would be concerned with a particularly bad flu season.

And thanks, jerk. I had no idea taking my mother to the oncologist meant she had cancer. I could have sworn it was the flu. Thank God for helpers like yourself.
 
2013-01-05 09:11:06 PM  

Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.


Immunosuppressive drugs = nasty shiat.

/Know it well.
 
2013-01-05 09:12:06 PM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Icarus88: Let's read between the lines here...

3/4 of those infected with the flu didn't get a vaccination. Or put another way, 1/4 of them had gotten one. And it was ineffective for those who still got the flu. From what I can gather, it appears that about 40% of Americans typically get a flu shot. Which means it's minimally effective, statistically speaking.

My guess is that frequent hand washing, and other forms of personal hygiene and transmission avoidance are likely much more effective than an apparent minimal benefit provided by a flu shot.


Came to say exactly this, and will add that I have had several people tell me this year (and may more in years past) that they are shocked, SHOCKED that in spite of getting the jab they came down with the worst flu EVAR.

/Take your flu shot and stick it

Herd Immunity, how does it work?!?



Not very well, apparently.
 
2013-01-05 09:12:39 PM  
I thought all you had to do was yell "Shoo! Shoo! Retarded flu!" at it?
 
2013-01-05 09:15:57 PM  
I'm recovering from it now (Atlanta area). My wife has it. My daughter had it. It's pretty nasty. Low grade fever, mild hallucinations, and generally the ickies. I'd give it a 4/10.

I had swine flu a few years ago. It had much bigger temperature swings, much worse headaches, and had big time ickies. That was more a 7/10.

And both times I had the flu shot several months prior.

/hide yo' granny
//hide yo' anybody with a compromised immune system
 
2013-01-05 09:16:11 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.

To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.

Oh God, I apologized so much on the trip to the hospital.  It didn't help that I couldn't stop throwing up in the ambulance, either.  I did manage to hold in the rest of my shiat (literally) during the ride, but just barely.  One of the paramedics was really hot, too.  All I could think was "this entire ambulance smells like shiat and vomit.  That girl is hot.  I'm gonna puke again."

I was so deliriously sick I tried to be quiet while I was puking and I thought maybe she would notice how quiet I was being.  Like that was impressive.

Then when I got to the hospital they insisted on having an orderly give me a sponge bath instead of letting me take a shower for seventeen hours like I wanted to.  Honestly, if I had a gun on me at the time, I would have shot myself in the head.  It was by far the most humiliating experience of my life.


9/10 internet LULZ.
The mental image of you trying to mantain a shred of dignity and run a little bit of game on the medic during the shiattypukey joyride is classic.
/ In her mind she is contemplating sliding her digits into your butt mud saturated pocket. Thinking the whole time "He pukes hott!"
 
2013-01-05 09:17:15 PM  
verbal_jizm: I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.

My immune system was forged over several generations on a tropical island that gets millions of tourists per year from around the world.

// they make flu shots out of my white blood cells
 
2013-01-05 09:17:40 PM  
I got my flu shot early in fall, didn't even realize I barely experienced the flu until recently. I had a couple days of mild fatigue, muscle aches and a headache just after Christmas, then that was it. No fever. Even played with my snotty, sneezy little nieces on New Year's. Nothing.

Keen.
 
2013-01-05 09:18:51 PM  
The hospitals here are completely full and more than overflowing. We're treating in-patients on stretchers in the E.R., waiting rooms, and hallways. We're sending overflow ICU patients to PACU (has the equip and nurses have the know-how). It's a nightmare. I hope we collectively get over this soon.
 
2013-01-05 09:19:21 PM  
I banged Flew Tsunami once. She was you mother.
 
2013-01-05 09:20:44 PM  

coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?


In adults a fever is more likely from flu than a cold. Muscle ache would cinch it, though.
 
2013-01-05 09:22:54 PM  

plutonium238: Lsherm: BronyMedic: Lsherm: I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke,  while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.

To be fair, the Paramedics did the same thing after they dropped you off.

Oh God, I apologized so much on the trip to the hospital.  It didn't help that I couldn't stop throwing up in the ambulance, either.  I did manage to hold in the rest of my shiat (literally) during the ride, but just barely.  One of the paramedics was really hot, too.  All I could think was "this entire ambulance smells like shiat and vomit.  That girl is hot.  I'm gonna puke again."

I was so deliriously sick I tried to be quiet while I was puking and I thought maybe she would notice how quiet I was being.  Like that was impressive.

Then when I got to the hospital they insisted on having an orderly give me a sponge bath instead of letting me take a shower for seventeen hours like I wanted to.  Honestly, if I had a gun on me at the time, I would have shot myself in the head.  It was by far the most humiliating experience of my life.

9/10 internet LULZ.
The mental image of you trying to mantain a shred of dignity and run a little bit of game on the medic during the shiattypukey joyride is classic.
/ In her mind she is contemplating sliding her digits into your butt mud saturated pocket. Thinking the whole time "He pukes hott!"


This entire episode has made my week... Sorry if laughing at your pain makes me smile, but damn it is funny.
 
2013-01-05 09:24:02 PM  

serpent_sky: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.


I had that, about the same time. Took about two weeks to burn off, only mine migrated to my sinuses. Two weeks of blood clots in my nasal passages, ick. Not the flu, but I think just a bad cold. I always get a sinus infection the first couple weeks of winter, but this was a little worse.
 
2013-01-05 09:24:08 PM  

DrRatchet: xkranda: We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

Sounds more like Norovirus,  There is a particularly mean one going around.


Norovirus is the horribly named "stomach flu" -- diarrhea and vomiting, rather than fever, cough, congestion and aches.
 
2013-01-05 09:25:21 PM  

Snausages75: Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.

Very amusing.



Hey, no offense. You just worded your post in a way that made it sound like a warning, rather than a plea.

Lost my mom (many years ago) to brain cancer.

Actually, the brain cancer didn't kill her - it was a brain INFECTION caused by the farking biopsy to test for cancer.

Not that she wouldn't have died anyway - we all do eventually.

Right?
 
2013-01-05 09:26:01 PM  
These are the first three comments in this thread that admit to getting the Flu shot:

Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.

I have it now. Fever, aches, congestion, general misery. On day 2 alone. Husband, who NEVER gets sick for more than a day, has had it for a week and is just coming out of it. We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

I had something awful in mid-December as well. I had the flu shot, but only a few days before this happened, so I don't know if it was in full force yet, but I was quite ill thank you very much.


These people had the Flu Shot and got the Flu. But it had to be a fluke, right? GAAAA! Sheep to the slaughter.

I had both the Oral and Injection Polio Vaccines. And STILL GOT POLIO. But I don't have the Flu. EVAR!
 
2013-01-05 09:27:06 PM  

Amos Quito: Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?


Do you actually read the stuff you post, or do you just link it. I think you did the later. Because that's not actually true.

FTFA: Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Court was set up in the 1980s to screen claims of vaccine injury for legitimacy and ensure that children who were legitimately injured by a vaccine side effect recieve fair compensation. The level of scrutany and legitimacy/acceptance by science at large for scientific and medical evidence is FAR less than an actual legal court would require, and it's far easier to win a verdict there than in a civil trial. However, several law firms have filed massive class action lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers outside of this, in direct violation of your claim, since then. Most have been claims that their child's autism was caused by a vaccine or adjuvant, which is in direct contradiction to all existing research on the topic.

So yes. People like you, with misinformed and ill-researched opinions and baseless fear mongering ARE to blame for poor vaccine uptake in the United States.
 
2013-01-05 09:28:34 PM  
I rarely ever get sick.

Dec 22nd was the last day I was even outside of the house (literally, did not set foot outside the house).

I live alone in a house.

5 days later, Dec 27th I cam down with the flu, and it was bad, just now getting over it.

DAFUQ.


And yes, my Christmas was "forever alone".
 
2013-01-05 09:29:12 PM  
I read that in our area what is going around is Influenza "b" strain and the flu shots in our state only included the Influenza "a" strain, therefore the widespread epidemic. I use roughly 3000 hours of labor in my place of business a week (big box retailer) and have had almost 400 hours of call-ins this week alone.
 
2013-01-05 09:31:58 PM  
So a quarter of the people that got so sick they had to be hospitalized were vaccinated?

Well those kind of odds make me want to run out and get stuck!
 
2013-01-05 09:34:21 PM  
Had the flu pretty bad around Easter of '11 (five straight days of 105 temp) and before that was in '98. Is a flu shot effective?
 
2013-01-05 09:37:55 PM  
Got the flu 26 years ago and it very nearly killed me. Haven't had to worry about a flu shot since; haven't even had a cold since.
 
2013-01-05 09:38:57 PM  

FearTheBoognish: I read that in our area what is going around is Influenza "b" strain and the flu shots in our state only included the Influenza "a" strain


The US annual flu shot is not restricted to one strain.
 
2013-01-05 09:39:22 PM  
I picked up something a month ago. Lasted two weeks, almost to the day. First three days were the worst. Could barely move. No puking or crapping, just couldn't move or think. Had to force myself to eat. Zero energy. Knew staying in bed wasn't the answer but sort of shambled around the house drinking hot tea. Sort of like a hot tea zombie.

The middle part was a head cold with surprise thin nasal draining. The last thee days were a fair amount of coughing with resultant expectoration. Stayed in my throat at the end. Some minor coughing. Still slightly sore and occasional cough.
 
2013-01-05 09:45:08 PM  

BillyRayBob: These are the first three comments in this thread that admit to getting the Flu shot:

Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.

I have it now. Fever, aches, congestion, general misery. On day 2 alone. Husband, who NEVER gets sick for more than a day, has had it for a week and is just coming out of it. We and kids got flu shots, to boot.

I had something awful in mid-December as well. I had the flu shot, but only a few days before this happened, so I don't know if it was in full force yet, but I was quite ill thank you very much.

These people had the Flu Shot and got the Flu. But it had to be a fluke, right? GAAAA! Sheep to the slaughter.

I had both the Oral and Injection Polio Vaccines. And STILL GOT POLIO. But I don't have the Flu. EVAR!


Or it could be the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, and that the flu shot doesn't make you immune to the flu below herd immunity levels, rather it decreases the severity and length of illness, and the chances of getting it.

Vaccine failure and failure of uptake are real phenomenons, and challenges that researchers face in developing yearly vaccines.
 
2013-01-05 09:45:40 PM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?

Do you actually read the stuff you post, or do you just link it. I think you did the later. Because that's not actually true.

FTFA: Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Court was set up in the 1980s to screen claims of vaccine injury for legitimacy and ensure that children who were legitimately injured by a vaccine side effect recieve fair compensation. The level of scrutany and legitimacy/acceptance by science at large for scientific and medical evidence is FAR less than an actual legal court would require, and it's far easier to win a verdict there than in a civil trial. However, several law firms have filed massive class action lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers outside of this, in direct violation of your claim, since then. Most have been claims that their child's autism was caused by a vaccine or adjuvant, which is in direct contradiction to all existing research on the topic.

So yes. People like you, with misinformed and ill-researched opinions and baseless fear mongering ARE to blame for poor vaccine uptake in the United States.



There are 300 million Americans.

40% of these (120 million) have had "the jab", and this "protected" population subset represents 25% of all flu cases confirmed so far this year.

Am I "to blame" for these cases?

Should I feel bad?
 
2013-01-05 09:46:21 PM  

AbiNormal: Got the flu 26 years ago and it very nearly killed me. Haven't had to worry about a flu shot since; haven't even had a cold since.


Most people get a bad cold and think it's the flu. They're wrong. I had the first recorded case of influenza-A in Libby, Montana. At first I was sure it would kill me. Then I was afraid it wouldn't. I haven't had a flu shot since. If that farker can't kill me, nothing can. I haven't had more than the sniffles since.
 
2013-01-05 09:49:33 PM  

jaytkay: "I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40


THIS
 
2013-01-05 09:50:24 PM  
Flu shots are a scam.
 
2013-01-05 09:54:04 PM  
The only people sure to be immune from the flu are elementary schoolteachers. After 20 years of getting breathed on, sneezed on, and puked on by countless hordes of little brats, they are immune to anything. I know at least a dozen, and they are NEVER ill. They'll be the only ones to survive if we're attacked by a biowarfare agent. In fact, if you know a grade school teacher and she/he is sick with flu, stay far away and get your shots, because they've got some kind of superbug that's bound to kill you if you get it.
 
2013-01-05 09:55:37 PM  

Somacandra: Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.


That's what I'm hearing from healthcare professionals where I live...that the vaccination wasn't effective with the strain that is going around. Two elderly folks in my hometown have died in the past couple of weeks. Sad.
 
2013-01-05 09:58:10 PM  
I'm amused by the people saying they have the flu for a day or two because they had a clogged nose or coughing up stuff. That's not the flu and you are a moron. My mom is just getting over it. Had it for 4 weeks now. Was in bed for 3 weeks, a couple visits to ER with 103 temp. Was getting worried a little since she is generally unhealthy and almost 60 now.
 
2013-01-05 10:00:38 PM  

Amos Quito: Snausages75: Amos Quito: Snausages75: As the daughter of a woman who had a lung removed in March and just finished her 9th round of chemo and six weeks of daily radiation, I am not getting a kick out of this thread.


All that from the FLU???

Damn.

Very amusing.


Hey, no offense. You just worded your post in a way that made it sound like a warning, rather than a plea.

Lost my mom (many years ago) to brain cancer.

Actually, the brain cancer didn't kill her - it was a brain INFECTION caused by the farking biopsy to test for cancer.

Not that she wouldn't have died anyway - we all do eventually.

Right?


Sorry about your mom. No one should ever have to watch their parent suffer like that.
 
jlt
2013-01-05 10:00:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The only people sure to be immune from the flu are elementary schoolteachers. After 20 years of getting breathed on, sneezed on, and puked on by countless hordes of little brats, they are immune to anything. I know at least a dozen, and they are NEVER ill. They'll be the only ones to survive if we're attacked by a biowarfare agent. In fact, if you know a grade school teacher and she/he is sick with flu, stay far away and get your shots, because they've got some kind of superbug that's bound to kill you if you get it.


Yes yes a thousand times yes. I can't believe the awful germs my daughter shared when she was in daycare...strep, the flu, pink eye, hand foot and mouth, random awful diarrhea inducing viruses... now that she is in regular school she never gets sick. And neither do I.
 
2013-01-05 10:02:39 PM  
127 million vaccinations have been distributed from the 15 million produced

Die of the flu, lazy sloppy incompetent excuses for journalists.
 
2013-01-05 10:02:51 PM  
Got the shot. Got a strain of the flu a few months later, I'm guessing one of the strains that this years shot didn't cover. Have an autoimmune disease so it took me a full five weeks of symptoms to recover. Am now recovered, by which I mean I'm not running a fever or having intense aches anymore, but my lymph nodes are still swollen and I still have mild respiratory symptoms.

Hopefully this is the only time I'll catch it this winter.

/so glad I work from home and could still do my job, for the most part, while fighting off the death flu
//said death flu triggered a 7 day long migraine though, which was pretty unpleasant
 
2013-01-05 10:02:52 PM  

Notabunny: AbiNormal: Got the flu 26 years ago and it very nearly killed me. Haven't had to worry about a flu shot since; haven't even had a cold since.

Most people get a bad cold and think it's the flu. They're wrong. I had the first recorded case of influenza-A in Libby, Montana. At first I was sure it would kill me. Then I was afraid it wouldn't. I haven't had a flu shot since. If that farker can't kill me, nothing can. I haven't had more than the sniffles since.


Behold the dreaded and infamous "hipster" strain of influenza.
 
2013-01-05 10:03:11 PM  

oukewldave: I'm amused by the people saying they have the flu for a day or two because they had a clogged nose or coughing up stuff. That's not the flu and you are a moron. My mom is just getting over it. Had it for 4 weeks now. Was in bed for 3 weeks, a couple visits to ER with 103 temp. Was getting worried a little since she is generally unhealthy and almost 60 now.



Whatever it is, it's going around, and it's getting worse.
 
2013-01-05 10:08:09 PM  
So 2200 victims from a population of 310 MILLION is a " tsunami"??!! Subby is a tool of the major media.

Look, it's sad that anyone dies. But with so many people someone is always dying. Don't change your life because of it.
 
2013-01-05 10:08:34 PM  
Get a big tall glass, fill half way with whiskey
fill the rest with boiling hot water
squeeze half of a lemon add the juice
drop in the whole other half of the lemon

/no microbe known to man stands a chance
 
2013-01-05 10:10:26 PM  

Amos Quito: BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Vaccine makers are legally immune to lawsuits.

So no matter how many get sick and/or suffer bad reactions, at least SOMEONE will have immunity, right?

Do you actually read the stuff you post, or do you just link it. I think you did the later. Because that's not actually true.

FTFA: Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Court was set up in the 1980s to screen claims of vaccine injury for legitimacy and ensure that children who were legitimately injured by a vaccine side effect recieve fair compensation. The level of scrutany and legitimacy/acceptance by science at large for scientific and medical evidence is FAR less than an actual legal court would require, and it's far easier to win a verdict there than in a civil trial. However, several law firms have filed massive class action lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers outside of this, in direct violation of your claim, since then. Most have been claims that their child's autism was caused by a vaccine or adjuvant, which is in direct contradiction to all existing research on the topic.

So yes. People like you, with misinformed and ill-researched opinions and baseless fear mongering ARE to blame for poor vaccine uptake in the United States.


There are 300 million Americans.

40% of these (120 million) have had "the jab", and this "protected" population subset represents 25% of all flu cases confirmed so far this year.

Am I "to blame" for these cases?

Should I feel bad?


The herd immunity rate for the seasonal flu is around 80% vaccine uptake in a given population. Anything below that and there is enough of a resevour for the virus to spread like wildfire. It's the reason, for example, hospital and healthcare workers are required to get a vaccine for their continued employment.

Yes. People LIKE YOU are to blame, and yes, you should feel bad. You come onto a website, spout off about something that you have no clue about what you're talking about, and people see that information and get scared. They stop making risk vs. benefit judgements, and start panicing about the autisms, or something similar that renowned Epidemiologist Jenny McCarthy, Indigo Child and pHD warned you about.
 
2013-01-05 10:11:23 PM  
flu vaccines are a sham.
 
2013-01-05 10:14:08 PM  

giftedmadness: flu vaccines are a sham.

Goodfella: Flu shots are a scam.


Alt-like typing detected.

fayinc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-05 10:15:14 PM  

Mentat: Already got it, survived.


Unpossible. I heard this was sure to be the strain that killed us all and kidnapped/impregnated our women in our absence.

/it's the flu.
//if you're not a immune-compromised person, you'll probably be fine.
 
2013-01-05 10:17:56 PM  

Lsherm: AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.

I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


one of the best baseball players of all time feels your pain
 
2013-01-05 10:20:41 PM  
My list of "anti-vaccine moran/trolls" who show up in red is certainly seeing an increased prevalence...
 
2013-01-05 10:23:30 PM  
Despite what I have read above, I used to get flu shots every year, and every year I would be sick for days after getting the shots. I stopped a few years back and take my chances.

When people close to me (family, co-workers) start getting sick, I start a regimen. When I brush my teeth in the morning and night I gargle, first with hydrogen peroxide then with mouth wash, killing the opportunistic anaerobic and aerobic bacteria in the back of the throat. Yes, I get sick, but is just general malaise with a light fever and aches, not the coughing sneezing crap that used to happen.

YMMV.
 
2013-01-05 10:28:26 PM  
Vodak with orange juice has been my flu vaccine for years, and I can't remember the last time I caught the flu.
 
2013-01-05 10:28:36 PM  

BronyMedic: There are 300 million Americans.

40% of these (120 million) have had "the jab", and this "protected" population subset represents 25% of all flu cases confirmed so far this year.

Am I "to blame" for these cases?

Should I feel bad?

The herd immunity rate for the seasonal flu is around 80% vaccine uptake in a given population. Anything below that and there is enough of a resevour for the virus to spread like wildfire. It's the reason, for example, hospital and healthcare workers are required to get a vaccine for their continued employment.

Yes. People LIKE YOU are to blame, and yes, you should feel bad.



So, you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that if some enlightened dictator could FORCE 100% (or at least 80%) of the US population to get "the jab", that the entire country would be completely and entirely immune from the flu, and that we could frolic about our parks, shopping malls and subways without a care in the world?

Is that what you're saying?
 
2013-01-05 10:29:20 PM  

BlippityBleep: Vodak with orange juice has been my flu vaccine for years, and I can't remember the last time I caught the flu.


That might be more due to the vodka than your health, depending on quantity imbibed.
 
2013-01-05 10:30:52 PM  

verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.


Flu symptoms vary wildly based on strain, the person, state of their immune system, and who knows what else.

There is no certain set of symptoms. I've had it mild. I've had it nearly kill me.
 
2013-01-05 10:31:03 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: My list of "anti-vaccine moran/trolls" who show up in red is certainly seeing an increased prevalence...


www.fda.gov
Worship at the altar

 
2013-01-05 10:31:51 PM  
The herd immunity rate for the seasonal flu is around 80% vaccine uptake in a given population. Anything below that and there is enough of a resevour for the virus to spread like wildfire. It's the reason, for example, hospital and healthcare workers are required to get a vaccine for their continued employment.

The problem is that a given flu vaccine doesn't cover all of the possible flu strains that could be present. It's forecasted similarly to hurricane season severity several months before the season starts. Thus, even if 100% of the people were vaccinated for a given set of strains, the herd immunity would be 0% if a different strain showed up.

I've been vaccinated for everything else you can possibly get in the western world (and a few exotics), but I've never gotten the flu vaccine. If there was a guarantee that the vaccine covered the strain(s) of the year, I definitely would get them every year.
 
2013-01-05 10:36:56 PM  
I got the shot and have been fine. I've had many friends and family who didn't and they've been knocked out of commission for a week or more, plus 2 weeks of recuperation time when they don't feel great.

If I'm 75% less likely to get the flu, I think those odds are good enough.
 
2013-01-05 10:40:23 PM  
A second flu tsunami has just hit America!
 
2013-01-05 10:42:14 PM  
My family got hit hard this year. I'm just getting over it. My son is just getting over it. My wife is just now getting it. All of us are vaccinated.

My 19 month old son had it bad. Fever up to 105 for about 5 days. Lost a lot of sleep worrying about him. Fever finally broke and now he's just a little stuffed up.

Everyone at my work is getting it.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:47 PM  
I just started feeling a little bad around noon today. Am i going to die?
 
2013-01-05 10:46:57 PM  

Ambivalence: St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.

I haven't caught flu in 25 years. My immune system is great on flu.

Sinus infections....not so much but better in recent years.


Get yourself a humidifier. I used to get a bunch of sinus infections every winter. No more. Your snot is your first line of defense against infection but it only works when wet.
 
2013-01-05 10:46:57 PM  

Ishidan: Baby can you dig your man?


steven king qoutes?

oh no you dint!
 
2013-01-05 10:48:26 PM  

Gilligann: My family got hit hard this year. I'm just getting over it. My son is just getting over it. My wife is just now getting it. All of us are vaccinated.

My 19 month old son had it bad. Fever up to 105 for about 5 days. Lost a lot of sleep worrying about him. Fever finally broke and now he's just a little stuffed up.

Everyone at my work is getting it.



Sorry to hear of your suffering.

Looks like the "herd immunity" of the "given population" of your particular "herd" didn't work out to well this time.


I've been told that your suffering is all my fault. Sorry.

Get well soon, and pray for a benevolent dictator who will force us all to live in flu-free paradise.

/Or else
 
2013-01-05 10:50:14 PM  
I already got the flu and overcame that shiat so you dead mofos can kiss my ass!

\civilization is collapsing
 
2013-01-05 10:51:09 PM  

Mark Ratner: Lsherm: AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.

I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.

Glad you're feeling better and didn't die, but you just made me, and I'm sure dozens of other farkers laugh out loud, so it was kinda worth it. Well done.


Seconded. Laughed so hard the wife wanted to know what was so damn funny.
 
2013-01-05 10:52:49 PM  
BronyMedic. Big Pharma called and says your check is in the mail.
/you're not a Doctor, you just play one on TV
/ lighten up. This is FARK, Not WebMD.
 
2013-01-05 10:54:51 PM  
I'm sick with a sinus infection. It's what I typically get. I don't think I've ever had the flu, at least not in recent memory. Always sinus infections.


/have allergies
 
2013-01-05 10:59:09 PM  

snarketyfarker: I don't know what I had, exactly, but three weeks ago, I went to two parties in two nights, one at my friends forge, so I was breathing in metal soot all night. Then I worked my usual fifteen hour Sunday on the hot/grill side of my line. Drank copiously both nights as well (fell off the wagon some time ago). Woke up Monday at 9 am and felt like I had a bad cold, bronchia irritated, sinuses completely stuffed up, no voice to speak of, and generally felt shiatty. Called in sick. By 6 pm I had a 103 degree fever, and that was *with* taking Nyquil, and drinking hot tea. Had that fever for two days. Thought it broke. Jennifer took my temperature, and I was @ 100.9. I was down for a week, and three weeks later I can still feel a tickle in my bronchia. My bar manager, who shared this with me in the first place, ended up with pneumonia.

Whatever is going around Seattle is a serious strain and its hitting people hard.


Yes.
 
2013-01-05 10:59:10 PM  

Somacandra: clownyclownzomby: developed a bad case of gout in my right ankle

Tried daily guanefesin and lemonade/citrate supplements? Works well to keep my UA levels down, usually.


Normally have a glass of tart cherry juice and cider vinegar each morning.  Got behind when I was sick.  My girlfriend brought me some of what you suggested.....thanks! Hope it helps in any amount.  I'm miserable. At least I didn't soil myself like Lsherm. Poor bastard.
 
2013-01-05 11:00:06 PM  

BronyMedic: giftedmadness: flu vaccines are a sham.
Goodfella: Flu shots are a scam.

Alt-like typing detected.

[fayinc.files.wordpress.com image 500x271]


My flu shot was free at the clinic where I volunteer. How is this a scam?
 
2013-01-05 11:05:17 PM  

jaytkay: Felgraf: Is it a gluten alergy, or Celiacs?

No, celiacs is real.


www.startrek.com

Bloody right.
 
2013-01-05 11:07:12 PM  
Sick: Thousands of people are going to doctors complaining of illness with a severe cough being the most widespread symptom

Then that is not the flu. What stupid reporting.

1. Cough - 19 per cent

2. Sore throat - 16 per cent

3. Fatigue - 15 per cent

4. Headache - 14 per cent

5. Body Ache - 10 per cent

6. Fever - 7 per cent.

It appears that a "cold" is what is sweeping america. Cough and sore throat are not flu symptoms. #s 3 thru 6 are flu symptoms.
 
2013-01-05 11:07:31 PM  

jaytkay: "I got vaccinated once, but I still got a cold. VACCINES DO NOT WORK!!"

That's what I'm hearing from my genius acquaintances.

/ The ones who also discovered their severe "gluten allergy" at age 40


Yea I love that too. People telling me they have the flu, then one day later I see them at work. You know, functional and not shivering and sweating their ass off and so achey they can hardly move. Swearing up and down they'll NEVER get a flu shot again! I know that people can be asymptomatic or have lesser symptoms- but if these people are mistaking a cold for the flu and then deciding not to get the shot, they are going to be *really* unhappy when they actually get sick.

I have never had the flu. The worst I've ever had was Strep and it was not pleasant. I get a flu shot every year. If you have ever known someone who got the flu and then got pneumonia you would realize how the flu kills people and how much you do not want pneumonia.

Also, could they just do ONE Dateline or something about how the immune system actually works?
 
2013-01-05 11:09:59 PM  
Right before Christmas break this ripped through the schools here. We're a tiny little district, but had close to 100 kids out on several consecutive days, with 20+ sent home in a day. And yeah, a bunch o' kids ended up with pneumonia.

It's a bad one.
 
2013-01-05 11:13:36 PM  
Roughly three-fourths of people with the flu said they did not get vaccinations this year

Useless information unless we know what % got vaccinated.

If only 25% of people got vaccinated, and 25% of those with flu got the vaccine, then it doesn't say much for the vaccine.

i'm assuming the vac rate is higher than that, but it would be nice to have that info to be able to make some sense of the numbers they do give.

the CDC reports vaccine's were effective four about 60 percent for all age groups combined.

what in the hell, Daily Fail?
 
2013-01-05 11:21:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The only people sure to be immune from the flu are elementary schoolteachers. After 20 years of getting breathed on, sneezed on, and puked on by countless hordes of little brats, they are immune to anything. I know at least a dozen, and they are NEVER ill. They'll be the only ones to survive if we're attacked by a biowarfare agent. In fact, if you know a grade school teacher and she/he is sick with flu, stay far away and get your shots, because they've got some kind of superbug that's bound to kill you if you get it.


Yep, my friends girlfriend is a 3rd grade teacher. I told her she should sell her blood for 1000/pint due to the antibodies in it.
 
2013-01-05 11:23:08 PM  
I won't say what I have at the moment is the flu. I had the honest-to-dog ManBirdPig Flu when it went around and I'm quite aware of the difference between cold and flu--I'll note that was the first true flu I'd had since I was 4, and it's about the only stuff I run proper fevers with.

That said...whatever the hell plague I DO have, let's just say I want to have a Very Friendly Talk with the Patient Zero in question re the wisdom of a) coming sick to friendly weekend get-togethers and b) bringing their kids who also seemed to have the plague. :P

(Definitely viral, pretty much our entire circle of friends has gone into milder-than-flu fevers but definite sinus infections and/or bronchitis, and I've pretty much spent the past week coughing up gallons of phlegm and being thrown into a minor asthmatic crisis thanks to said crud--fortunately no incontinence, but definite "coughing till I spew" stuff that has had the family cats looking at me in sympathy because I've been bringing up my own equivalents of hairballs. The visit to the doctor resulted in me being placed on more steroidal medications than the entire WWE roster circa 1988, and THAT is just keeping me able to breathe. :P)

And apparently between the time I went to the doc and the SO went to the doc, half the state seems to have got it...making it hard for the SO to get in to even SEE a doc (had to end up going to acute care clinic, I stayed home because I know damn well they'd be putting my arse on a nebuliser...rather hoping I don't have to go BACK, either.

Don't know what this little gift from Nurgle is but he can have it the hell BACK (I prefer Slaanesh anyways, sie's more fun :D)
 
2013-01-05 11:24:02 PM  

BillyRayBob: BronyMedic. Big Pharma called and says your check is in the mail.
/you're not a Doctor, you just play one on TV
/ lighten up. This is FARK, Not WebMD.


You're right, I'm not a doctor. I've never claimed to be one. The people I link to, on the other hand, are actual researchers and physicians who know far more than you.

You're not even a good troll if that's your excuse. You suck at it.

/You altie idiots love labeling anyone who disagrees with you as big pharma shills when you have nothing else to go on.

Amos Quito: So, you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that if some enlightened dictator could FORCE 100% (or at least 80%) of the US population to get "the jab", that the entire country would be completely and entirely immune from the flu, and that we could frolic about our parks, shopping malls and subways without a care in the world?

Is that what you're saying?


(sarcasm)Yea, that's exactly what I said. I'm so proud of you for overcoming your obvious learning disabilities and interpreting my hidden meanings from that small blurb I posted, Amos.(/sarcams)

Reading comprehension is something you have extreme difficulty with, isn't it?

noethics.net
 
2013-01-05 11:29:04 PM  

falcon176: I AM THE MEDIA AND I REQUIRE FEARMONGERING FOR MORE VIEWS ALSO DID I MENTION SWINE FLU EPIDEMIC YOU ALL DIED FROM THAT REMEMBER


WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER
 
2013-01-05 11:30:14 PM  

angryjd: I just started feeling a little bad around noon today. Am i going to die?


Yes, eventually.
 
2013-01-05 11:32:59 PM  

verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.


Yep. I get a common cold here and there (dry scratchy throat, congestion, fatigue), but I almost never get the flu. I've probably had the flu once every 5 or 6 years. There was only one time I got the flu bad enough that it lasted a few days and left me shivering on the couch.

/unvaccinated
 
2013-01-05 11:33:20 PM  
Eat a box of Velveeta shells n' cheese and experience the same symptoms.
 
2013-01-05 11:44:38 PM  
Dangit, I got the flu shot in October and I still got sick this past week. Of the list of symptoms given in the article, I had/have them all. My only saving grace is that I recognized I was getting ill and took time off work.
 
2013-01-05 11:46:15 PM  
i travel overseas for work and have to get all sorts of vaccinations. i got this years and the last lots of years flu shots. haven't gotten it yet....knock on wood.

i did get the honest to god flu in 1996. the only other time i felt that bad for that long was when i got mono in high school. my wife is a nurse and her and her coworkers said if people can get out of bed then they don't have the real flu. if they can tough it and come to work...they don't have the real flu.

i've also had giardia (twice- once in afghanistan and once in costa rica), shigella (costa rica), and salmonella (iraq). the last two almost got me to do a george brett...the first one just gave me horrendous gas and really stinky poops. gas stank so bad it would make me up in the middle of the night when i farted because it stank so bad.

i worked with a guy in iraq who had chronic giardia (from his time in china). he is still working with doctors now. he has had it for three years. it's not as bad now but there are times he unleashes his party trick of clearing a room.
 
2013-01-05 11:46:28 PM  

oukewldave: I'm amused by the people saying they have the flu for a day or two because they had a clogged nose or coughing up stuff. That's not the flu and you are a moron. My mom is just getting over it. Had it for 4 weeks now. Was in bed for 3 weeks, a couple visits to ER with 103 temp. Was getting worried a little since she is generally unhealthy and almost 60 now.


While I agree that self-diagnosis of the flu is pretty inaccurate, you realize that people carrying the virus will show varying degrees of symptoms, right? Some people will be infected and not get sick at all, but infect other people. Some people will have a few mild symptoms they get over quickly. Others will end up hospitalized. It really isn't all that clear-cut.
 
2013-01-05 11:49:19 PM  

RedPhoenix122: I am vaccinated by God through the power of prayer.


I trust in the three wise men. Johnny, Jack and Jim
 
2013-01-05 11:52:25 PM  
Been sick for 8 days now. First 5 days I just felt kinda crummy, like I hadn't had enough sleep. Day 6 came and as the hours passed I felt worse and worse. By 8pm I was running a fever, headache, body aches and sinus congestion. 2 am rolls around and I'm shivering in bed with 3 blankets on, sweat pants and a sweatshirt. I turn up the heat, throw on a second sweatshirt and cuddle up with my girlfriend to get warm.

72 hours of taking 2 ibuprofen every 4-5 hours now for the fever that doesn't want to go away.. Slowly getting better. Doc says it's not Strep and it's not the flu. Tomorrow makes day 3 of calling in to work. I can't wait for the arse chewing I'll be getting on Monday.
 
2013-01-05 11:55:42 PM  
Had the flu earlier this week still trying to get over it.
 
2013-01-05 11:58:22 PM  

Christian Bale: Sick: Thousands of people are going to doctors complaining of illness with a severe cough being the most widespread symptom

Then that is not the flu. What stupid reporting.

1. Cough - 19 per cent
2. Sore throat - 16 per cent
3. Fatigue - 15 per cent
4. Headache - 14 per cent
5. Body Ache - 10 per cent
6. Fever - 7 per cent.

It appears that a "cold" is what is sweeping america. Cough and sore throat are not flu symptoms. #s 3 thru 6 are flu symptoms.



Oh, for farks sake:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/influenza/DS00081/DSECTION=symptoms

The influenza is a respiratory illness, it causes varying symptoms in the lungs, throat and sinuses. Basically, wherever the virus can get a good hold on cells in favorable conditions, in this case dark, moist, and oxygen-rich. So, not the stomach or intestines.

The symptoms are the body's reaction to the damage the virus does, which is why different viruses and bacteria infecting the same cells cause similar symptoms. Some infections may result in no symptoms at all, but still allow the virus to pass onto a better host (this is why even healthy people should be vaccinated, by the way).

The only way to be absolutely sure you have the flu is to be tested for it, although a doctor's diagnosis is a good bet. They know the common symptoms of the influenza strains which have been identified in the area.
 
2013-01-06 12:04:06 AM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: So, you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that if some enlightened dictator could FORCE 100% (or at least 80%) of the US population to get "the jab", that the entire country would be completely and entirely immune from the flu, and that we could frolic about our parks, shopping malls and subways without a care in the world?

Is that what you're saying?


(sarcasm)Yea, that's exactly what I said. I'm so proud of you for overcoming your obvious learning disabilities and interpreting my hidden meanings from that small blurb I posted, Amos.(/sarcams)



But above you said "The herd immunity rate for the seasonal flu is around 80% vaccine uptake in a given population."


 diannej.com

Nice footwork, BronyMedic.
 
2013-01-06 12:08:02 AM  
I had the flu once. I was a child with chicken pox. Somehow I don't really recall the flu being all that bad---maybe a little vomiting and diarrhea, but not much worse than colds I've had before.

Guess I never understood how the flu got so violent for some people. I've never once been vaccinated for it, and I've never had it since I was 6 years old.

Also, what's with that extraordinarily low # of people with the flu? 2,200 people hospitalized is dangerous? 18 dead is something to panic over? Somehow I'm not bothered by any of this.

/have some chicken soup, some gingerale, and stick a little trashcan by your bed with some paper towels
 
2013-01-06 12:20:41 AM  

gobstopping: verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.

Yep. I get a common cold here and there (dry scratchy throat, congestion, fatigue), but I almost never get the flu. I've probably had the flu once every 5 or 6 years. There was only one time I got the flu bad enough that it lasted a few days and left me shivering on the couch.

/unvaccinated


Hate to burst your bubble, but chances are you've had the flu a number of times over that period and helpfully shared it with other people who got a hell of a lot sicker than you. Both flu and cold are viral infections of the respiratory system, and so cause similar symptoms, especially at first. The most basic symptoms are the body's initial reaction to the presence of a virus, and are basically the same.

The main difference is that the flu viruses are capable of causing actual tissue damage, which results in more serious symptoms such as high fever, chills, sweats, and pneumonia. Most cold viruses don't actually damage the cells they infect, so even a major infection will only trigger the basic immune response.

If you get a flu virus but are able to fight it off quickly, you may never accumulate the cell damage that triggers the severe symptoms and it may seem like "just a cold".

References:
flu facts
Understanding the symptoms of the common cold and influenza
 
2013-01-06 12:27:43 AM  

Ruiizu: I had the flu once. I was a child with chicken pox. Somehow I don't really recall the flu being all that bad---maybe a little vomiting and diarrhea, but not much worse than colds I've had before.

Guess I never understood how the flu got so violent for some people. I've never once been vaccinated for it, and I've never had it since I was 6 years old.


I feel like anything that causes vomiting and diarrhea is already worse than the worst cold I've ever had at the very minimum, and much more dangerous to boot. I've never been vaccinated for it and I've only had the flu a couple times in my life; the last time was probably over a decade ago but I remember the misery clearly and I can guarantee that it was at least 500% more unpleasant than a cold. The muscle aches are much worse, plus stack the sweating, and chills, and sometimes dizziness from a fever on top of it and you've got a wicked bad time.
 
2013-01-06 12:27:59 AM  

Amos Quito: So, you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that if some enlightened dictator could FORCE 100% (or at least 80%) of the US population to get "the jab", that the entire country would be completely and entirely immune from the flu, and that we could frolic about our parks, shopping malls and subways without a care in the world?

Is that what you're saying?


Not sure what BronyMedic is saying, but it worked for polio.

Also, it has been pretty effectively shown that vaccinating health care personnel reduces the chance of outbreaks in nursing homes. So, by vaccinating people who may not have shown symptoms and probably would not have died from it, they protected the people who most likely would have become sick and died. That is the point of immunization efforts, immunize everyone to help protect the people who are most vulnerable.

Link
 
2013-01-06 12:27:59 AM  

Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.


Up until about 15 years ago I religiously got flu shots every year.

And every year got cold after cold after cold, etc., throughout the year. And sometimes got the flu, to boot.

After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it, I said: (1) that sounds farking crazy, and then, after I thought a bit (2) what the hell, how much worse could it be? So I said fark it and decided to stop getting flu shots. Immediately got super flu and died and I'm now a zombie stopped getting constant colds. I now get maybe 2 mild colds a year, and have had flu ONCE in 15 years *though it was a doozy).
 
2013-01-06 12:32:22 AM  

Amos Quito: Nice footwork, BronyMedic.


So because I point out that uninformed and uneducated idiots like yourself, who turns it into a discussion about "personal freedom" when they realize that the science and legal framework don't make your claims even close to real, use fearmongering and misinformation to encourage people not to vaccinate themselves and their children, and that for a herd immunity effect to occur making flu infection among vaccinated people highly unlikely, the uptake has to be 80%, you take from that I support jackbooted thugs marching in and forcing everyone, regardless of their medical ability to take a vaccine or not, to get it?

You're either a psychic, in which case you need to apply to the James Randi foundation for their million dollar prize, or a disingenious hack. I wonder which is more likely to be the case.

At any rate, you're the only person that has argued a flu vaccination is supposed to make you immune from the flu. No drug company does this. No legitimate researcher or physician does this. No one who took high school biology does this.

If you want to know my personal opinion on the matter rather than place words in my mouth and build strawmen to argue from, I think you're a selfish bastard for not taking a vaccine you are eligable for and that is safe and effective, and both reducing the chances of you getting the virus, and spreading it to others which it most certainly can do grave harm in.

No, Amos. You were wrong. I know it's painful, but you can either admit it and move on, or continue to be a snarky douchebag while defending the indefensible, and try to turn it from a "BUT BUT VACCINES ARE SAFE AND UNEFFECTIVE AND PROFIT GAMBIT FOR PHARMA DERP" debate into a "X WANTS TO NAZI INTO YOUR HOME AND MAKE YOU DO Y" debate.
 
2013-01-06 12:40:14 AM  

Mad_Radhu: A coworker of mine just had to fly back to Virginia to bury his brother in law who came down with this, so I'm not getting a kick out of this. Hopefully this isn't one of those nasty strains that kills the young and healthy because it causes an overactive immune response.


Hmmmmmm...... that WOULD tend to increase job openings for older workers...... hmmmmmm......

i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-06 12:41:31 AM  

Ruiizu: I had the flu once. I was a child with chicken pox. Somehow I don't really recall the flu being all that bad---maybe a little vomiting and diarrhea, but not much worse than colds I've had before.

Guess I never understood how the flu got so violent for some people. I've never once been vaccinated for it, and I've never had it since I was 6 years old.

Also, what's with that extraordinarily low # of people with the flu? 2,200 people hospitalized is dangerous? 18 dead is something to panic over? Somehow I'm not bothered by any of this.

/have some chicken soup, some gingerale, and stick a little trashcan by your bed with some paper towels


That sounds more like a nasty hangover than the flu. Maybe something you ate?
 
2013-01-06 12:45:47 AM  
Wife has the flu.

What's that, I took next week off for some relaxation time after the Christmas stress-oliday?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
2013-01-06 12:46:22 AM  

Mad_Radhu: A coworker of mine just had to fly back to Virginia to bury his brother in law who came down with this, so I'm not getting a kick out of this. Hopefully this isn't one of those nasty strains that kills the young and healthy because it causes an overactive immune response.


Yeah, people just don't take the flu seriously anymore.

Of course, many people who get it this year won't show symptoms at all, and just spread it far and wide because they don't even know they have it. Then most of the people who develop symptoms will miss an average of a week of work, which sucks for them I guess. Also, it is tragic when people die, but the only people really *likely* to die from this are immunocompromised, elderly or infants, so no big deal, right?

Now, the 1918 flu pandemic, that was something to panic over. Killed healthy young people in their prime, especially soldiers and school children. Something like 3% of the world's population died. Someday that will happen again, and we'll remember why the flu is such a farking big deal.

Until then, we'll have all these farkers bragging about how they've "never had the flu" and don't get flu shots because they're a scam.
 
2013-01-06 12:53:54 AM  

wingedkat: Yeah, people just don't take the flu seriously anymore.


It's never serious unless you end up on V/A ECMO for the flu.


www.hksccm.org
 
2013-01-06 12:54:38 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it


I immediately discount anything a self-professed homeopath says.
Anyone who believes in the operating principles of homeopathy is incapable of logic or reason.
 
2013-01-06 12:55:50 AM  

Gawdzila: Ruiizu: I had the flu once. I was a child with chicken pox. Somehow I don't really recall the flu being all that bad---maybe a little vomiting and diarrhea, but not much worse than colds I've had before.

Guess I never understood how the flu got so violent for some people. I've never once been vaccinated for it, and I've never had it since I was 6 years old.

I feel like anything that causes vomiting and diarrhea is already worse than the worst cold I've ever had at the very minimum, and much more dangerous to boot. I've never been vaccinated for it and I've only had the flu a couple times in my life; the last time was probably over a decade ago but I remember the misery clearly and I can guarantee that it was at least 500% more unpleasant than a cold. The muscle aches are much worse, plus stack the sweating, and chills, and sometimes dizziness from a fever on top of it and you've got a wicked bad time.


See that just doesn't seem that bad to me. I've had all sorts of illnesses when I was younger, and while they sucked, I don't really ever remember hating them that much. I just popped slept a lot more, ate plenty of good food, and played my SNES. But then, I also hear people talk about "loss of appetite" and I just don't relate to that either.

/bunch of sick crying whiners, I say
 
2013-01-06 12:56:03 AM  
I must have gotten this year's virulent strain.

There's been a lot of people sick and they seem to report the same symptoms I had, namely a sore throat, a really killer cough, lethargy, some headache, but very little in the way of head or lung congestion (except towards the end). I got sick on December 19 and spent three days in bed, postponed my Christmas travel by a day and was coughing constantly all through the holidays. In fact, I still have that tickle in my throat and the urge to cough, so I'm not completely over it 18 days later. Reports suggest this is also a common symptom.

I had my flu shot good and early but they only vaccinate against three strains, which are picked about a year or so before the shots go out based on early data from Asia and Oceania. You win some, you lose some.

I lost ten pounds during the three days I spent in bed not eating very much more than an occasional snack. It wasn't a very miserable case but the cough was incredible and I just didn't feel like doing anything--not feverish or congested but just not in the mood to do anything.

Usually I take a lot of vitamin C, some aspirin and some anti-histamines when I have a cold or the flu but the Night and Day capsules my Mother gave me worked well and I only had to take two a day so I bought some more today. And Halls. You really have to control that cough and cough medicine doesn't work for me because I don't believe in it.

You really shouldn't rely on your immune system if you are at risk. Although flu shots are free in Ontario, I voluntarily pay about $25 for them from a Quebec clinic that comes to my work place because I can get them without taking half a day off and because I can get them before the Doctor will give them to people not in the high risk categories.

35,000 Americans die of flu-related complications each normal flu season, and in a bad year it can be 70,000 easily. This seems to be a more than usual infectious and dangerous strain. You never know when it might mutate. Doctors fear the coming of the next Spanish Flu type epidemic and because they seem to be proven wrong doesn't mean that they aren't going to be right one day. Like earthquakes and hurricanes and other rare events, they have to be over-cautious to be cautious enough. It's a shame that people don't understand propability and mass psychology enough to know that the authorities have to take every season seriously for fear of being seriously unprepared maybe one time in thirty or a hundred, just as cops have to follow up on bomb threats and ambulance drivers and firemen have to answer every emergency call, even though they know that quite a few will prove to be minor or hoaxes or just over-reactions.

Sometimes I feel like I'm malingering when I stay home because I feel like shiat when I get up, but sometimes, like this time, you really have something that's worse than you expect. By staying away from work three days and by travelling one day late, I probably avoided exposing everybody I met while I was most likely to trasmit the disease. With colds and the flu, you are most infectious for at least a day before you get hit by the symptoms and for several days following.

Better to jump the gun than be under heavy fire unprepared. About one third of colds are asymptomatic--you don't even know you are sick, but think you are just tired or down. That's how they get even the most careful people--they blindside them.

Be prepared, be cautious and do your best not to be a vector of disease in your pride and false confidence. That's all you can do in an epidemic.

I'm vulnerable to respiratory problems because of my history of chronic bronchitis, asthma, allergies, and lingering lung infections after the cold or the flu, so I worry about complications such as pneumonia, the big killer in cases of the flu. But even people without risk factors such as these, extreme youth or extreme old age, immune deficiency problems, etc., can be felled suddenly and unexpectedly, so caution is essential.

Don't fool yourself. Not getting sick doesn't mean that you are immune or safe. As computer virus experts say, "obscurity is not security". Apple fanboys should know that their computers are just as vulnerable to hackers as PCs, they're simply not as big a target because there aren't so many of them and they don't form the backbone of commerce the way PCs do.

The thing about being careful is that you are protecting the herd as well as yourself. Because I get the flu shots, my entire work team and family are safer. If enough people get the vaccinations and avoid contracting or spreading the flu, it can make a world of difference even for the vulnerable or the careless.
 
2013-01-06 12:58:42 AM  
I have never had the flu shot
 
2013-01-06 01:13:22 AM  
I got influenza-A last year. Sunday night I just suddenly came down with an airy-cough, by Tuesday I had a temperature of over 101 and was at the doctors with chills, severe fatigue, pounding head ache, muscle aches, you name it. I was so sick my sister had to help me off the floor because I didn't have the energy to do so after sitting down to put my shoes on. I went into the doctor and she told me "No one gets the flu this late in the year." It was February. She sent me down for testing just in case and sure enough, INFLUENZA. I got put on a bunch of different meds and my family did too so they wouldn't suffer as bad as I was if they came down with it too. A week later my Mom went back in to pick up some medication for me and there was a sign on the door stating. "If you have the following symptoms xxxxxxxxxx DO NOT COME INTO THE GENERAL WAITING ROOM."

A couple years ago I got the flu so bad I was bedridden for over a month. I almost passed out in the Best Buy bathroom and was thinking, if I pass out how long before someone finds me or my sister thinks to look for me? I couldn't even get out of bed and go downstairs to make myself toast without breaking into a sweat like I had just run a 20 mile marathon. Towards the I ended up in the ER for 10 hours with 2 IVs after I got severe tremors in my limbs.

I have auto-immune issues so I DREAD flu season. Hoping not to catch it this year and hoping I didn't just jinx myself.
 
2013-01-06 01:13:32 AM  

ZzeusS: I picked up something a month ago. Lasted two weeks, almost to the day. First three days were the worst. Could barely move. No puking or crapping, just couldn't move or think. Had to force myself to eat. Zero energy. Knew staying in bed wasn't the answer but sort of shambled around the house drinking hot tea. Sort of like a hot tea zombie.

The middle part was a head cold with surprise thin nasal draining. The last thee days were a fair amount of coughing with resultant expectoration. Stayed in my throat at the end. Some minor coughing. Still slightly sore and occasional cough.


Sounds like what I have. I thought it was allergies, because I often get bad congestion at this time of year. This started the same: Congested as fark, no coughing but for 3 days I could barely move, had a sore throat that was as bad as strep(but wasn't) and basically had to force myself out of bed rather then staying there 24 hours straight. I happened to have Wed/Thurs off though so didn't miss work. The day I did go to work I couldn't move as fast but managed, it was a shorter day to start with, thankfully.
 
2013-01-06 01:14:37 AM  
all you farkers need to learn how to WASH YOUR HANDS PROPERLY!
 
2013-01-06 01:15:49 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.

Up until about 15 years ago I religiously got flu shots every year.

And every year got cold after cold after cold, etc., throughout the year. And sometimes got the flu, to boot.

After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it, I said: (1) that sounds farking crazy, and then, after I thought a bit (2) what the hell, how much worse could it be? So I said fark it and decided to stop getting flu shots. Immediately got super flu and died and I'm now a zombie stopped getting constant colds. I now get maybe 2 mild colds a year, and have had flu ONCE in 15 years *though it was a doozy).


Taking medical advice from a homeopath is like taking science advice from a creationist.
 
2013-01-06 01:21:46 AM  
is it possible to build up immunity to this strain early?  I got hit with a particularly horrific attack last year and it knocked me for a loop for damn near a month.  doc said it as flu, monitored it for a bit, then I recovered.  this year tho, so far (knock on wood) i've been largely immune to the bug that's going around.  I've been directly exposed and didn't catch it.
 
2013-01-06 01:40:12 AM  

Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.


You should at least get a tetanus shot every decade. It would suck to die from a staple puncturing your thumb. Everything else I'll give you; in 10 years I've documented that I've always been sicker when I get the flu shot than when not, plus you're guaranteed at least a flu-lite after the shot whether you get the flu or not.
 
2013-01-06 01:45:03 AM  

clownyclownzomby: Caught something last weekend. Nausea and   diarrhea still.  Lost fourteen pounds, and due to not eating for five days,  developed a bad case of gout in my right ankle. The antibiotics haven't helped my appetite any.  One of my buddies is coming over with some percocets and a case of Hamm's. I'm a man. And a Farker.

/In Oklahoma, so there's no reason to go outside anyway.
//Sincerely hope none of you catch this. If so, get well soon.


Stop eating spoiled food.
 
2013-01-06 02:01:38 AM  
ftfa: About 127 million doses of flu vaccine have been distributed this year from the 15 million doses produced for this season.


That's some nice reportin' work, Lou. You'll make assistant editor for this.
 
2013-01-06 02:06:17 AM  

Good ... this country needs a good 1918 influenza kill off ... thin the heard!

 
2013-01-06 02:08:56 AM  

BronyMedic: wingedkat: Yeah, people just don't take the flu seriously anymore.

It's never serious unless you end up on V/A ECMO for the flu.


[www.hksccm.org image 656x522]



Does your hospital make flu vax mandatory for you in order to keep your job? Mine does. Just curious.
 
2013-01-06 02:09:38 AM  
I'm an elementary teacher and should have thought something was up. For an entire week, I came home from work and just slept. The next week came the nausea and other grossness. It was absolutely awful. I hope none of you gets this crap. I've worked in education for 7 years and haven't seen this since I started. Since September, I've been battling crap left and right.
 
2013-01-06 02:11:16 AM  

mialynneb: I'm an elementary teacher and should have thought something was up. For an entire week, I came home from work and just slept. The next week came the nausea and other grossness. It was absolutely awful. I hope none of you gets this crap. I've worked in education for 7 years and haven't seen this since I started. Since September, I've been battling crap left and right.


You work in a giant incubating Petri dish and you're surprised you get sick? Hell, I'm surprised when teachers AREN'T sick ...
 
2013-01-06 02:21:31 AM  
The hubby and son got sick on Christmas, I got it a week ago. Started with a tickle in the throat and then hit hard in the lungs. So tired I couldnt even play WoW. Just spent hours on the poli tab.

This is what we have found so far

DO - drink hot toddies
use a humidifier
stay warm
take aspirin or ibuprofen
drink lots of water
have lots of soup
sleep with your upper chest elevated
get lots of rest
apply a heating pad to your chest
talk someone into giving you a back rub

DONT - eat dairy
 
2013-01-06 03:04:21 AM  
Hopefully I already had it--- in May. All four of us ended up with pneumonia. Since it wan't during peak season, I never gave it that much thought, but it was probably the shiat that floats around killing people.
 
2013-01-06 03:15:15 AM  

angiemama: Does your hospital make flu vax mandatory for you in order to keep your job? Mine does. Just curious.


Yeah, they run mass vaccination clinics in August and September at all the hospitals in the system for the AM and PM shifts. The system is logged by your badge swipe so there's no getting out of it. The only people who are exempt from it are people with a documented history of allergic reaction to the vaccine or a component or someone who's had Guillian-Barre syndrome in the past.

Weaver95: is it possible to build up immunity to this strain early? I got hit with a particularly horrific attack last year and it knocked me for a loop for damn near a month.  doc said it as flu, monitored it for a bit, then I recovered.  this year tho, so far (knock on wood) i've been largely immune to the bug that's going around.  I've been directly exposed and didn't catch it.


It's impossible to build up complete immunity from the flu. It's one of the fastest-changing viruses known to mankind, and is able to alter it's protein coat and immunogenic antigens rapidly. It's the reason you need a new flu vaccine variant every year - the virus that travels from Asia to the West will be completely different than the one the previous year, and even the specific phenotypes of viruses are completely different in terms of antibody-antigen interaction.
 
2013-01-06 03:38:08 AM  

St_Francis_P: verbal_jizm: St_Francis_P: Meh. I'm kicking it old-school, using my immune system. Hasn't failed yet.

I'm using my immune system as well. It just happens to have been educated to look for this years most likely strains.

Mine is uneducated, but effective in its barbaric way.


The Spanish flu and h1n1 killed indirectly, it was actually the overwhelming immune response that killed you. Please go ahead and drown in your own secretions! Its Darwin at work.
 
2013-01-06 03:57:22 AM  
Christ almighty that doesn't exist... When did the majority of fark become retarded jenny mcarthy conspiracy theory blathering idiots? Since Seatbelts don't prevent all accidental auto deaths... Well why don't you do your community a favor follow your logic there? :)

/unbuckle up for anti-vaccination
 
2013-01-06 04:32:56 AM  

plutonium238: serpent_sky: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Same here and I am still not quite right. Lots of fatigue going on.  It was mostly coughing and a headache at its worst, but I haven't slept 12+ hours given the chance in ages and now all I want to do is sleep since it started.

Same here...lots of confusion and lethargy. Felt like I indian leg wrestled with a dump truck, wierdest part though was that it started in the respiratory and finished in the sinuses. Typically my bugs go the other way.
/snortin lines of airborne and chugging 40s of pedialyte.




Yes!! I had that weird reverse order thing happen as well.
 
2013-01-06 04:35:41 AM  
Daughter had it a few days before Xmas. She'd been vaccinated (we all had). Took her to the doctor right away & she tested positive for Influenza A. She took Tamiflu & was back to normal in 2 days. I was afraid the rest of us would get it but so far so good.
 
2013-01-06 04:58:47 AM  
Settle down. The math cited above indicates that the flu shot may not be effective. If 40% of people got the flu, and 25% of people who got the flu had the shot, then there is a 15% margin of people who seemed to have benefited (which is something like 35% of those with the shot). However, correlation is not causation and we would expect people who bother to get a flu shot to have more sanitary habits than those who do not, so the question is, what was the real benefit of the shot? Not very good at all maybe.

This has little to do with vaccinations in general though; few people argue that polio vaccine is not effective, because the math says it does!
 
2013-01-06 05:00:00 AM  

Christian Bale: Sick: Thousands of people are going to doctors complaining of illness with a severe cough being the most widespread symptom

Then that is not the flu. What stupid reporting.

1. Cough - 19 per cent
2. Sore throat - 16 per cent
3. Fatigue - 15 per cent
4. Headache - 14 per cent
5. Body Ache - 10 per cent
6. Fever - 7 per cent.

It appears that a "cold" is what is sweeping america. Cough and sore throat are not flu symptoms. #s 3 thru 6 are flu symptoms.

1 & 2 are common with the flu in combination with things in 3-6. 1 or 2 by itself is most likely a cold.
 
2013-01-06 05:07:00 AM  
Oh, pardon my English. It is my first and only language, but I am American so I can't be expected...
 
2013-01-06 05:14:45 AM  
Any virus that survives in my system deserves to. I'll even send 'em a drink.
 
2013-01-06 06:01:15 AM  
Flu shots haven't been any good since Season 8.
 
2013-01-06 06:38:53 AM  
Some years I get a vaccine, some years I don't.  *shrug*  I've never had any symptoms or been sick after having the vaccine. The last time I had the flu really bad was about 6 years ago in undergrad.  I haven't gotten around to getting the vaccine this year, but I've been sick twice in the past 6 months with either a cold or mild flu (I was traveling at those times).  I wash my hands pretty frequently and right now, I live alone and usually am at work alone, so I'm not terribly worried about catching it from or spreading it to anyone.

I've been thinking about getting the vaccine anyways, but my question is when is it really past the point of practicality?  I know it takes a few weeks to develop full immunity, and I hear the flu season peaks in Jan/Feb, so would it still behoove me to get it now or should I just ride it out and continue to be a recluse?
 
2013-01-06 07:39:22 AM  

p the boiler: Sorry if laughing at your pain makes me smile, but damn it is funny.


It's the funny that makes it tolerable, even two years on.  If I couldn't laugh at it I wouldn't have told the story in the first place.

When my wife got to the hospital with "replacement clothes" she wanted to know what the medical staff did with the cashmere sweater I was wearing, since it was her Christmas present to me.  By the time she got there my clothes were long gone as they were covered in either shiat or vomit, or both.  They had been discarded by the paramedics or the ER staff for good reason.  I was out of it for the next 20 hours, but when I got back to reality my nurse suggested that I tell my wife the sweater was "irreparably damaged" when they put me in the ambulance.

Translation:  there was so much shiat and vomit on it that it wasn't worth saving.  To this day, my wife doesn't understand how you can manage to get shiat on your shirt.  I hope she never has to learn the hard way.

I was only in the hospital for two days, but I heard "the metro guy" four times while I was in.  Truly a humbling experience.
 
2013-01-06 09:27:52 AM  

Lsherm: It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.



Can you please develop that point?
 
2013-01-06 09:53:35 AM  
We all got the flu shot this year. My youngest got the flu the day Christmas break started. He was deathly ill for about a week; still coughing. His brother got it the day after Christmas; he's still feverish, but feeling pretty decent otherwise- no bad aches, and his asthma hasn't kicked up. Tamiflu might have done some good there. I didn't get the Tamiflu; I got sick the day after Christmas, and yesterday was the first day I've spent under 102. I felt good enough to go to the grocery (for more gingerale and tissues). Unfortunately, my body was lying to me, which I found out after they picked me up off the floor in front of the registers. That's right; I faceplanted at the Meijer's; just passed right the f*** out on the damn floor. Am now hiding at home in my pajamas, afraid to trust myself. I THINK I'm okay; I feel pretty good, really- the shakes and fever seem to have stopped, the aching is minimal. But I'm afraid to do too much yet, after yesterday.
 
2013-01-06 10:20:17 AM  

namatad: Somacandra: Wife and I are battling it now. We and the kids all got our shots as usual. Its not as bad as without the shots but its still noticeable. Local doctors are telling us the shot isn't protecting well against this year's  Influenza A strain and that its bringing in tons more people than usual, even those vaccinated.

sooooooooooo
going to get a shot now wont help me then? sigh


Flu shots take about 3 weeks to be fully effective and they provide you with 3 months or so of protection.

Of course you are only protected from the "best guess" strain/s in the cocktail.

I've only had Norovirus once when I was about 11. I threw up 38 times in 3 days. It was farking horrible.

So far no one at work has it. I'm hoping I'll be spared this year.

/wash your hands and stop touching your face every 15 seconds
//I hope all you sickos get well soon

=]
 
2013-01-06 11:06:26 AM  

verbal_jizm: coco ebert: I got something in early December. Sore throat, cough, fatigue, headache that was bad for a week but lingered in some form or another for another two weeks or so. But I only had a slight fever a couple of days on and off. That wasn't the flu, right?

Nope. Flu gives you a higher fever, muscle aches, and LOTS of coughing. Most people who think they got the flu, didn't.


If those are the symptoms, that's what I've got. 4 days now... when will it stop?
 
2013-01-06 11:08:47 AM  

BronyMedic: giftedmadness: flu vaccines are a sham.
Goodfella: Flu shots are a scam.

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flu shots are nothing but micronized TI-85 particles.

basically they are injecting u with tiny computers, capable of transmitting your knowledge to the FBI (watch out child porn dealers)
 
2013-01-06 11:17:53 AM  
I always have to give a sad little laugh to people that say that ,"I had the flu and got over it the next day." No, you did not have influenza. You had a farking cold. The flu kills people, and when you have it, you almost wish it killed you, just to be done with it. Once you have ever had the flu, you learn to get the shot. Period.
 
2013-01-06 11:25:16 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: flu shots are nothing but micronized TI-85 particles.

basically they are injecting u with tiny computers, capable of transmitting your knowledge to the FBI (watch out child porn dealers)



My wife is a nurse at a college. She has had students tell her that they aren't getting a flu shot because it has microchips in it.

I'm assuming they aren't in the rocket scientist program.
 
2013-01-06 11:54:40 AM  

Gawdzila: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it

I immediately discount anything a self-professed homeopath says.
Anyone who believes in the operating principles of homeopathy is incapable of logic or reason.


Generally, so do I. But what he said made a weird kind of sense. AND I'd been having flu, and colds, every farking year WHILE taking annual flu shots. So there was really no down-side in doing what he suggested (not getting the flu shots). It apparently worked, so there's that.....
 
2013-01-06 12:06:31 PM  
I got this year's flu shot. I work in a hospital.
My wife got the flu. I did not. We shared drinks and food while she was sick.

Yes, I got sick for two days after getting the shot, though.
Diarrhea, aching joints, headache.
But only two days. I attributed it to the vaccine because the area where I got the shot hurt first and spread.

Two days versus two weeks?
I'll take the two days. By all means, state your 'I think this and that but the flu vaccine doesn't work.'
I'll take the vaccine. Most places it's free, too. So what's your excuse?

The flu has different strains. The strains mutate. You can get one vaccine and still get the flu. That's because there's different strains of flu, like I just said. To be fair to say that 1/4th of those that got the shot doesn't mean the shot is ineffective or only works a three quarters of the time. There's so many flu mutations out there. They pretty much best guess which vaccine they use. Did those that got the flu, test the strain in a lab to see which strain they got, compared to the vaccine they got?
Derp derp. Logic hurts.

SO YES.
With a bit of luck the flu vaccine does work.
By no means does it mean 1/4th the people who get the vaccine end up getting sick anyway. If you get the shot then get sick, it does not reflect the effectiveness of the flu vaccine.

It could be a different different strain.
So settle down. This is science. Get your shot.
 
2013-01-06 12:12:59 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Gawdzila: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it

I immediately discount anything a self-professed homeopath says.
Anyone who believes in the operating principles of homeopathy is incapable of logic or reason.

Generally, so do I. But what he said made a weird kind of sense. AND I'd been having flu, and colds, every farking year WHILE taking annual flu shots. So there was really no down-side in doing what he suggested (not getting the flu shots). It apparently worked, so there's that.....


Also, perhaps a bit of hyperbole there? Such a person is capable of speech, so there is at least some adherence to logic and reason. And I've found that even the (literally) craziest person may occasionally impart words of wisdom.

There are very few times when I decide that the person I'm talking with has absolutely nothing of value to say. That's why my ignore list has only one person on it.
 
2013-01-06 12:15:38 PM  

Lsherm: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mija: Buh buy? I don't think so. The one time I took a flu vaccine I was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I thought I would die. I've never had another vaccine of any kind and I haven't had the flu. I may get the flu but I will survive without having toxic waste products like Thimerosal injected into me. You people are so scared and brainwashed it's pathetic.

Up until about 15 years ago I religiously got flu shots every year.

And every year got cold after cold after cold, etc., throughout the year. And sometimes got the flu, to boot.

After mentioning this to a homeopath I met at some party, and hearing his take on it, I said: (1) that sounds farking crazy, and then, after I thought a bit (2) what the hell, how much worse could it be? So I said fark it and decided to stop getting flu shots. Immediately got super flu and died and I'm now a zombie stopped getting constant colds. I now get maybe 2 mild colds a year, and have had flu ONCE in 15 years *though it was a doozy).

Taking medical advice from a homeopath is like taking science advice from a creationist.


See my response to Gawdzila.

My, there certainly are a lot of people here that know 100.0000000000? that there opinions are 100.00000000000% absolutely right.
 
2013-01-06 12:24:15 PM  
Hint: flu vaccine contains a fast acting recombinant DNA retrovirus.

I pity the people who get the spider DNA version.
 
2013-01-06 01:04:05 PM  

Nmissi: We all got the flu shot this year. My youngest got the flu the day Christmas break started. He was deathly ill for about a week; still coughing. His brother got it the day after Christmas; he's still feverish, but feeling pretty decent otherwise- no bad aches, and his asthma hasn't kicked up. Tamiflu might have done some good there. I didn't get the Tamiflu; I got sick the day after Christmas, and yesterday was the first day I've spent under 102. I felt good enough to go to the grocery (for more gingerale and tissues). Unfortunately, my body was lying to me, which I found out after they picked me up off the floor in front of the registers. That's right; I faceplanted at the Meijer's; just passed right the f*** out on the damn floor. Am now hiding at home in my pajamas, afraid to trust myself. I THINK I'm okay; I feel pretty good, really- the shakes and fever seem to have stopped, the aching is minimal. But I'm afraid to do too much yet, after yesterday.


Oh you poor thing. Its pretty much the same story here. Except I havent passed out - yet. I have to go back to grad school tomorrow though. Im a tad nervous.
 
2013-01-06 03:00:20 PM  
I take the flu vaccine every year. It's free at work (Medical Center). Two or three years ago, I ended up with H1N1. Overall, I've had fairly good luck with the vaccine.

/I also take Enbrel and methotrexate, both of which work to suppress the immune system.
//For flu symptoms, shots of Nyquil with a wine chaser.
///Wash your hands, and keep your hands away from your face and mucus membranes.
 
2013-01-06 06:10:55 PM  
Got full-blown flu for the first time in a LONG time late last year. Still had to come into work to open the store til my business partner came in and I went home to avoid infecting the store.
 
2013-01-06 07:49:03 PM  
I laugh at your weak immune systems.  And I never use hand sanitizer.  Enjoy my germs, sickos.
 
2013-01-06 08:02:21 PM  

BronyMedic: So because I point out that uninformed and uneducated idiots like yourself

...

I quit.

U win.

;-)
 
2013-01-06 09:28:22 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Also, perhaps a bit of hyperbole there?


Not really. Believing that diluting poisons can make special curative water or alcohol shows an utter disregard for reason.

If someone can't be bothered to take the most basic, abundantly proven principles of chemistry and physics into consideration, why should other people be bothered to give their views consideration?

One of the most foolish statements I've heard uttered is "it may sound crazy, but his opinion is as valid as theirs". No. People have a right to have their own opinions. They do not have an inherent right to have those opinions -- and their understanding of reality more generally -- taken seriously by other people. If someone chooses to believe something patently foolish/ignorant and stubbornly eschews reason and evidence, no one owes them any degree of humoring regarding the wisdom of the idea. Yes, it's generally nice to be respectful of people when possible, but if they insist on irrational views, one doesn't owe them the favor of respecting the ideas themselves. (You can, in the interest of not hurting feelings or avoiding acrimony, withhold expressing just how foolish you think the ideas are, but that's a matter of personal diplomacy, not intellectual acquiescence.)

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Such a person is capable of speech, so there is at least some adherence to logic and reason.


It means the speech centers of their brains and their vocal tracts are functional, little more. It says nothing about their abstract reasoning abilities, which is what is in question. I can program a chatbot that can adhere to the basic rules of English grammar. It doesn't mean I should patiently listen to its inane babble the next time I need health, financial, ethical, or any other kind of advice.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: And I've found that even the (literally) craziest person may occasionally impart words of wisdom.


It's possible, but not as frequent as finding it elsewhere, and of course, specifically seeking out the council of crackpots for the rare morsel of wisdom (which you'd be more likely to find elsewhere in the first place) would be absurd. That's assuming you would even have the good judgment to correctly recognize which moments are their twice-daily broken clock moments to say something reasonable, which (if you'll excuse my frankness) is in doubt at the moment with regards to this particular topic, if you're willing to accept advice that flies in the face of science. (I'll grant that you may be more sensible on other scientific topics; many people have surprising blind spots on one issue while being reasonable on others.) Bear in mind that, unlike some people unfortunately assume, "science" doesn't mean "arrogant guys in labcoats" -- it means rigorous testing of hypotheses and establishment of the reproducibility of results.

The person you spoke to could be a great guy in other ways, giving you cause to respect him for those qualities, but none of that saves a wrong opinion from being wrong. And yes, there can be flatly wrong opinions, when it comes to statements about this reality we find ourselves sharing. Yes, hypothetically (but of infinitesimal likelihood), every scientific finding ever could be some sort of mass hallucination and we could all be moon-squid hopped up on ground-up unicorn tails imagining this universe, or we could be inside a "Matrix", but logic and scientific work have been converged on an increasingly refined and consistent understanding of reality. However, the only feasible way to logically way to deal with the world is to rely on our surest senses develop our logical skills to the extent possible where possible, and then trust to demonstrable experts in fields beyond our own expertise, giving special weight to those fields that are confirmed through their strong connections with other fields that apply stringent reasoning.

(I think a lot of people fail to understand how much science is a progression of refinement of understanding of the principles underlying reality, and how much different science fields are interconnected. If some physical and chemical rules were even remotely flexible in the ways some people imagine them to be, many technological things simply wouldn't work at all -- their most basic functioning relies on the precisely consistent repeatability of a variety of abundantly tested principles.)


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: There are very few times when I decide that the person I'm talking with has absolutely nothing of value to say. That's why my ignore list has only one person on it.


Most people possess something useful they could say, but life is finite, and the time you spend listening to someone who has little of value to say can be spent listening to someone who offers better odds. In particular, if someone has only foolish things to say when it comes to a particular topic, it is not sensible to give their ramblings the same weight or time of day as the opinions of people with better expertise.

And in all cases, it's one's own responsibility to think over whether a particular idea -- no matter who said it -- makes any freaking sense. Homeopathy simply fails that test.
 
2013-01-06 09:34:49 PM  

Isildur: And in all cases, it's one's own responsibility to think over whether a particular idea -- no matter who said it -- makes any freaking sense. Homeopathy simply fails that test.


Where do you draw the line on what constitutes homeopathy?  For example; laughter obviously is not medicine but if it makes one feel better; is it not beneficial?
 
2013-01-06 09:57:03 PM  

Frederick: Isildur: And in all cases, it's one's own responsibility to think over whether a particular idea -- no matter who said it -- makes any freaking sense. Homeopathy simply fails that test.

Where do you draw the line on what constitutes homeopathy?  For example; laughter obviously is not medicine but if it makes one feel better; is it not beneficial?



Things can be beneficial in ways that are not medica, but medicine concerns biological health. If laughter is actually proven to improve health outcomes by some clear measure, that would be scientific. If it's marketed as a treatment for physical ailments, with no systematic evidence to support the claim, that would be quackery.
 
2013-01-06 10:07:25 PM  

Isildur: medica


Medical, even. =P
 
2013-01-06 10:11:00 PM  

Isildur: Frederick: Isildur: And in all cases, it's one's own responsibility to think over whether a particular idea -- no matter who said it -- makes any freaking sense. Homeopathy simply fails that test.

Where do you draw the line on what constitutes homeopathy?  For example; laughter obviously is not medicine but if it makes one feel better; is it not beneficial?


Things can be beneficial in ways that are not medica, but medicine concerns biological health. If laughter is actually proven to improve health outcomes by some clear measure, that would be scientific. If it's marketed as a treatment for physical ailments, with no systematic evidence to support the claim, that would be quackery.


I'm ok with quackery.  I believe there is some benefit to homeopathy.  Similar to there being benefit from placebos.  I also believe there can be benefits to homeopathic remedies that are not yet understood.  Snake oil salesmen should be called out as such, but I'd hate to see them outlawed.  Thats my position.
 
2013-01-06 10:12:33 PM  

Isildur: Isildur: medica

Medical, even. =P


Heh, I thought you had just schooled me on some latin plural term for medicine.  :-|
 
2013-01-06 10:25:07 PM  

Isildur: to the extent possible where possible


Me fail editing? That's unpossible unpossible.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-06 10:44:11 PM  

Isildur: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Also, perhaps a bit of hyperbole there?

Not really. Believing that diluting poisons can make special curative water or alcohol shows an utter disregard for reason.

If someone can't be bothered to take the most basic, abundantly proven principles of chemistry and physics into consideration, why should other people be bothered to give their views consideration?

One of the most foolish statements I've heard uttered is "it may sound crazy, but his opinion is as valid as theirs". No. People have a right to have their own opinions. They do not have an inherent right to have those opinions -- and their understanding of reality more generally -- taken seriously by other people. If someone chooses to believe something patently foolish/ignorant and stubbornly eschews reason and evidence, no one owes them any degree of humoring regarding the wisdom of the idea. Yes, it's generally nice to be respectful of people when possible, but if they insist on irrational views, one doesn't owe them the favor of respecting the ideas themselves. (You can, in the interest of not hurting feelings or avoiding acrimony, withhold expressing just how foolish you think the ideas are, but that's a matter of personal diplomacy, not intellectual acquiescence.)

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Such a person is capable of speech, so there is at least some adherence to logic and reason.

It means the speech centers of their brains and their vocal tracts are functional, little more. It says nothing about their abstract reasoning abilities, which is what is in question. I can program a chatbot that can adhere to the basic rules of English grammar. It doesn't mean I should patiently listen to its inane babble the next time I need health, financial, ethical, or any other kind of advice.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: And I've found that even the (literally) craziest person may occasionally impart words of wisdom.

It's possible, but not as frequent as finding it elsewhere, and ...


All excellent points, and I'll gladly concede the truth of all of them.

The point in this specific case was the guy essentially said:

"Well is what you are doing [annual flu shots] working to prevent the flu?"
and
"The mark of insanity is doing the same time time after time when it doesn't work."

He had a point.
 
2013-01-06 11:20:34 PM  

Frederick: I'm ok with quackery.  I believe there is some benefit to homeopathy.  Similar to there being benefit from placebos.  I also believe there can be benefits to homeopathic remedies that are not yet understood.  Snake oil salesmen should be called out as such, but I'd hate to see them outlawed.  Thats my position.


Problem is, it isn't just harmless, if anyone relies on it instead of real medicine, delays getting qualified medical treatment by trying "alternative" therapies first, or believing any crazy claims about legitimate medical practices. Easy example: People not getting their kids vaccinated because of the claims of Jenny McCarthy and her allies.


Frederick: Isildur: Isildur: medica

Medical, even. =P

Heh, I thought you had just schooled me on some latin plural term for medicine.  :-|


Hahah, nah. Any use of raw Latin was purely accidental.
 
2013-01-06 11:37:21 PM  

Isildur: Frederick: I'm ok with quackery. I believe there is some benefit to homeopathy. Similar to there being benefit from placebos. I also believe there can be benefits to homeopathic remedies that are not yet understood. Snake oil salesmen should be called out as such, but I'd hate to see them outlawed. Thats my position.

Problem is, it isn't just harmless, if anyone relies on it instead of real medicine, delays getting qualified medical treatment by trying "alternative" therapies first, or believing any crazy claims about legitimate medical practices. Easy example: People not getting their kids vaccinated because of the claims of Jenny McCarthy and her allies.


That's a real sticky example because it delves into the idea of herd mentality.  I'd like to avoid that discussion.

But a more benign example (if you will) is the subject of alternative cancer treatments.  A physician would decry the homeopathic approach -and maybe rightfully so- but I'd hate to see those alternatives outlawed even if it means people making those choices ultimately suffer.  Not because I enjoy people suffering, but because I appreciate alternatives, the possibility of dumb luck success, and the idea of grass roots innovation.  Pharmaceutical companies exude too much control over medicine and too much control is unhealthy.

I agree most homeopathy is quackery, but I draw the line at legislation against it.
 
2013-01-07 12:32:46 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: All excellent points, and I'll gladly concede the truth of all of them.
The point in this specific case was the guy essentially said:
"Well is what you are doing [annual flu shots] working to prevent the flu?"
and
"The mark of insanity is doing the same time time after time when it doesn't work."
He had a point.



Except, for the flu itself, you indicated you were getting it only occasionally to begin with, and got it (particularly severely) once during the years you weren't being vaccinated. I can understand it can feel unconvincing that there's benefit, given that personal experience, but that isn't really a very large, definitive sample to draw conclusion from. In a sample of one hundred people taking the shot for fifteen years and then not taking it for fifteen years, one would expect several people to get it more in the first fifteen just by chance, even if the overall trend among everyone averaged together was the reverse.

Your major complaint, however, was about the common cold. Thing is, the flu vaccine is not targeted at that anyway, as thats generally caused by entirely different families of viruses -- mostly rhinoviruses and coronaviruses, not influenza. It's no wonder that you weren't being protected from those by the flu vaccine.

As for why you saw a reduction in colds, It seems more likely that some other change (perhaps some lifestyle change or some change in your body you wouldn't even be aware of) is more likely to be responsible. For example, one explanation could be a growing tolerance for some environmental allergen, that caused some cold symptoms on its own and exacerbated any viral colds' symptoms.
 
2013-01-07 01:04:44 AM  

Frederick: Isildur: Frederick: I'm ok with quackery. I believe there is some benefit to homeopathy. Similar to there being benefit from placebos. I also believe there can be benefits to homeopathic remedies that are not yet understood. Snake oil salesmen should be called out as such, but I'd hate to see them outlawed. Thats my position.

Problem is, it isn't just harmless, if anyone relies on it instead of real medicine, delays getting qualified medical treatment by trying "alternative" therapies first, or believing any crazy claims about legitimate medical practices. Easy example: People not getting their kids vaccinated because of the claims of Jenny McCarthy and her allies.

That's a real sticky example because it delves into the idea of herd mentality.  I'd like to avoid that discussion.

But a more benign example (if you will) is the subject of alternative cancer treatments.  A physician would decry the homeopathic approach -and maybe rightfully so- but I'd hate to see those alternatives outlawed even if it means people making those choices ultimately suffer.  Not because I enjoy people suffering, but because I appreciate alternatives, the possibility of dumb luck success, and the idea of grass roots innovation.  Pharmaceutical companies exude too much control over medicine and too much control is unhealthy.

I agree most homeopathy is quackery, but I draw the line at legislation against it.


Allowing actual claims of medical efficacy, if there isn't actual evidence to support it, is a recipe for allowing false advertising, and thus people profiting from people's desperation while providing no benefit. (Perhaps you're ok with that and are against false advertising laws in general; there are indeed people who argue everything should be caveat emptor. I'm not one of those people, however; I believe one of the most basic, critical functions of government since ancient times has been to try enforce at least a certain minimum requirement of honesty in business transactions.)

If any other stuff is good, innovative stuff that works, it should be provable. If it's provable, then there's no conflict because it is real medicine. Medical scientists aren't all flatly unwilling to look at alternative therapies. For example, studies have been done on the effects of things like accupuncture (even though the "Qi" explanation for any benefits, if they exist, is not supported by scientific analysis).
 
2013-01-08 05:44:34 PM  

Lsherm: AlwaysRightBoy: I hoping to catch the Norovirus  that's coming over from Europe.

I got Norovirus two years ago when it was going around Northern Virginia.  It's an illness so insidious I simultaneously threw up and shiat my pants in a Metro station and I had to be carried out on a gurney.

It is terrifying to be so sick you can't prevent yourself from shiatting your pants.  I prided myself up until that point that in my entire adult life, I had never vomited where I didn't want to, and I had never shiat my pants.  Then in one terrifying day, both records were shattered.  I felt fine in the morning and I was in the hospital that night.

I'd also like to eternally thank the group of teenagers who took pictures of me collapsed on the floor of the metro station, covered in puke, while helpfully pointing out "Dawg shiat himself!  Got shiat all over!"  That was helpful.  I really appreciate it.


Hope you know you're now a legend in our office. Made everyone laugh like crazy and lightened up a crummy day.
 
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